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New York becomes first U.S. city to order COVID vaccines for restaurants, gyms
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cwolfman13 wrote: »I guess I just don’t get what all the fuss is about. According to the CDC, vaccinated individuals can pass on the same viral load as unvaccinated so it seems like the end result is the same where ever there are groups of people, vaccinated or unvaccinated. If you are vaccinated, the risk seems to be the same. Less chance of getting sick but the same chance of passing on to someone who may not be able to be vaccinated due to whatever reason. Seems like the focus should still be on masking and social distancing not excluding/including different parts of society. I also find it interesting (when you dig for it) that natural antibodies seem to be proving to have similar efficacy to the vaccines. I probably would not have bothered to be vaccinated if I knew I had already had it.
A vaxed breakthrough case can pass on the same viral load as unvaxed...but it's not the same because a vaxed individual is much less likely to get the virus in the first place. So it's not the same risk at all...just that if you do happen to get it, you can still pass it on to the unvaxed which is why my office just announced that masks will once again be required regardless of vax status. It is also highly probable that a vaxed breakthrough case would go undetected as many vaxed individuals have no or very few symptoms.
Also, vaccinated people clear the infection days fastest. Your immune system is the sheriff, coronavirus is a bank robber, and the vaccine is a wanted poster. 🙂3 -
In the US, people who get fired for refusing to comply with their job's vaccination policy will not be eligible for unemployment payments, just like people voted for refusing to comply with other policies.3
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kshama2001 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
Actually, its going to hurt in the lloonnnggg term. Many nurses have just and left the profession, taken jobs in telehealth, or case management. What many of the companies are failing to recognize is, schools are not making enough of us to replace those lost. In my line of nursing, there are few that hear the calling. It takes a breed of tough, independent, and most of all detached nurses, to survive. Tough, because you deal with chronic manipulation and the threat of violence everyday. Independent, because there will be many times you have no access to a provider, and have to make decisions quickly. Detached, well.... try giving care to someone who you know raped and killed a child. One's emotions can play hell, but we took an oath, "first, do no harm." I lovely call the ladies I work with, "barbwire broads". They are some of the best nurses I have had the privilidge to work with. All that said, my company is about to lose 50% of staff, when we are already understaffed, because they are trying to mandate vaccinations. How are we going to replace that? Answer: you can't.KosmosKitten wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
I find the notion of un-vaccinated nurses to be weird considering the profession they've chosen. I suppose I can understand medical exemptions and religious ones, but something tells me all 50 of the nurses you're mentioning don't fall into either of those categories.
Also, it's been eye-opening and somewhat disturbing (for me anyway) to learn just how conspiratorial and anti-science some health care professionals are.. and Covid brought it all out of the woodwork, so to speak.
I am really hoping I'm just somehow encountering a lot of the more vocal minority in this regard.
A lot of them are making a political statement. They refuse the vaccine because they don’t want to be controlled. They also are very vocal supporters of the former president.
Just say his name. He is not "Beetlejuice". Saying it 3 times won't get him back into office.... Trump... Trump... Trump..... wait...............Biden is still president. For the record I am vaccinated and I have had the virus. I got it in December when my company offered it and had the virus in November. While some of the nurses who are getting ready to walk are "conservative", many are liberal, and of child rearing age. They have their concerns. I personally back them. I also back those who want the vaccine.
You don't think that patients have a right to expect that their health care providers aren't unnecessarily exposing them to a disease that can cause long term disability, extended time on a vent, or even death? Consider some patients are especially vulnerable -- they may be in no condition to question their caregivers (e.g., if they're unconscious, suffering from dementia or other conditions that preclude their understanding their risks) about whether they are vaccinated, or they may have no option in an emergency situation to refuse treatment from an unvaxed provider even if they are in a condition to ask. On top of which, most of us are socialized not to question medical providers but just do what we're told.
<===clears voice ughh...uh....
<===speaks very slowly I..... support......my....fellow.....healthcare.....workers......decisions.....of....self......determination,.....to.... vaccinate..... or.....not.....
That's it. I'm not going to argue with you.......
Healthcare workers should ABSOLUTELY have the right to self determination. 🙂
They aren't just entitled to a job whose criteria they no longer meet, though. Employers have determination too.
With it said that way, I was just bumped over the fence to the side of mandatory vax. BUT I'm lucky in the fact that I had a mild case of Covid in November, then was completely vaxxed by March, with little side affects. What about all the cases we read about who have terrible side affects from the vaccine? I'm not arguing for/against with bringing this question up but rather expressing concerns for people who have valid fears. I'm also not including those who feel their freedoms are being stripped because....well I won't get into my thoughts on that.
BUT that still doesn't give a good resolution of the shortage of nurses(or other medical professionals) who refuse to get vaccinated. As I said, there has GOT to be some middle of the road agreements where everyone can stay as safe as possible.SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Not picking on you, personally, but I'm really tired of this excuse/fear from people.
The absolute WORST of the documented immune responses from the vaccine is 1-2 days of fever, chills, body aches, headaches. Some people I know where completely knocked out and couldn't get out of bed for 24 hours.
I wouldn't call this a "side effect"...that's reserved for effects that the actual components of a medication have on a person. This is your body's immune response triggered by the vaccine.
As adults, I'll assume we have all had nasty colds or flus in our lives, many lasting multiple days or even weeks. For sure, they are not fun. But, it's not like we've never experienced such symptoms before.
With the vaccine, we have the luxury of planning and scheduling our doses so that if you are one of the people who gets that immune response, you can minimize the disruption to your life.
Even for the people I know who were flattened for a day or two...ZERO of them regretted getting the vaccine. One or two days of feeling like crap is way better than getting a severe case of COVID.
I really think it's just people looking for excuses.
@ReenieHJ are you reading about side effects of the vaccine that are worse than the above or is that what you meant?
My shingles vaccine side effects were far worse than that from the covid vax. However, it turned out I also had Anaplasmosis, so I don't actually know if any of my symptoms were due to the shingles vax. It's likely that the first 48 hours was indeed due to the shingles vax. After that, I felt better for a few days and then got sick again. That was likely the Anaplasmosis. The symptoms are extremely similar.
While I will never know for sure, I'm curious (and apprehensive) about what will happen when I get my second shingles shot, which was supposed to be last month. I need to reschedule that...
And I am going to reschedule it, because as unpleasant as it was after the first shot, that was still far better than a case of shingles, which my sister had.
I'm not good at pulling links or news articles I've read, out of my hat, to share, but aren't there a few stories out there where people have developed heart issues and such, from getting the vaccine? No, I'm not talking about the possible typical normal Covid vax side affects. Those are basically nothing compared to getting possible Covid side affects, which range from zero to death.
There were people who got blood clots from the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. It was rare, fewer than one in a million. Long covid is a more common side effect, so I would take my chances with the jab personally. But I was given Pfizer instead.3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
Actually, its going to hurt in the lloonnnggg term. Many nurses have just and left the profession, taken jobs in telehealth, or case management. What many of the companies are failing to recognize is, schools are not making enough of us to replace those lost. In my line of nursing, there are few that hear the calling. It takes a breed of tough, independent, and most of all detached nurses, to survive. Tough, because you deal with chronic manipulation and the threat of violence everyday. Independent, because there will be many times you have no access to a provider, and have to make decisions quickly. Detached, well.... try giving care to someone who you know raped and killed a child. One's emotions can play hell, but we took an oath, "first, do no harm." I lovely call the ladies I work with, "barbwire broads". They are some of the best nurses I have had the privilidge to work with. All that said, my company is about to lose 50% of staff, when we are already understaffed, because they are trying to mandate vaccinations. How are we going to replace that? Answer: you can't.KosmosKitten wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
I find the notion of un-vaccinated nurses to be weird considering the profession they've chosen. I suppose I can understand medical exemptions and religious ones, but something tells me all 50 of the nurses you're mentioning don't fall into either of those categories.
Also, it's been eye-opening and somewhat disturbing (for me anyway) to learn just how conspiratorial and anti-science some health care professionals are.. and Covid brought it all out of the woodwork, so to speak.
I am really hoping I'm just somehow encountering a lot of the more vocal minority in this regard.
A lot of them are making a political statement. They refuse the vaccine because they don’t want to be controlled. They also are very vocal supporters of the former president.
Just say his name. He is not "Beetlejuice". Saying it 3 times won't get him back into office.... Trump... Trump... Trump..... wait...............Biden is still president. For the record I am vaccinated and I have had the virus. I got it in December when my company offered it and had the virus in November. While some of the nurses who are getting ready to walk are "conservative", many are liberal, and of child rearing age. They have their concerns. I personally back them. I also back those who want the vaccine.
You don't think that patients have a right to expect that their health care providers aren't unnecessarily exposing them to a disease that can cause long term disability, extended time on a vent, or even death? Consider some patients are especially vulnerable -- they may be in no condition to question their caregivers (e.g., if they're unconscious, suffering from dementia or other conditions that preclude their understanding their risks) about whether they are vaccinated, or they may have no option in an emergency situation to refuse treatment from an unvaxed provider even if they are in a condition to ask. On top of which, most of us are socialized not to question medical providers but just do what we're told.
<===clears voice ughh...uh....
<===speaks very slowly I..... support......my....fellow.....healthcare.....workers......decisions.....of....self......determination,.....to.... vaccinate..... or.....not.....
That's it. I'm not going to argue with you.......
Healthcare workers should ABSOLUTELY have the right to self determination. 🙂
They aren't just entitled to a job whose criteria they no longer meet, though. Employers have determination too.
With it said that way, I was just bumped over the fence to the side of mandatory vax. BUT I'm lucky in the fact that I had a mild case of Covid in November, then was completely vaxxed by March, with little side affects. What about all the cases we read about who have terrible side affects from the vaccine? I'm not arguing for/against with bringing this question up but rather expressing concerns for people who have valid fears. I'm also not including those who feel their freedoms are being stripped because....well I won't get into my thoughts on that.
BUT that still doesn't give a good resolution of the shortage of nurses(or other medical professionals) who refuse to get vaccinated. As I said, there has GOT to be some middle of the road agreements where everyone can stay as safe as possible.SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Not picking on you, personally, but I'm really tired of this excuse/fear from people.
The absolute WORST of the documented immune responses from the vaccine is 1-2 days of fever, chills, body aches, headaches. Some people I know where completely knocked out and couldn't get out of bed for 24 hours.
I wouldn't call this a "side effect"...that's reserved for effects that the actual components of a medication have on a person. This is your body's immune response triggered by the vaccine.
As adults, I'll assume we have all had nasty colds or flus in our lives, many lasting multiple days or even weeks. For sure, they are not fun. But, it's not like we've never experienced such symptoms before.
With the vaccine, we have the luxury of planning and scheduling our doses so that if you are one of the people who gets that immune response, you can minimize the disruption to your life.
Even for the people I know who were flattened for a day or two...ZERO of them regretted getting the vaccine. One or two days of feeling like crap is way better than getting a severe case of COVID.
I really think it's just people looking for excuses.
@ReenieHJ are you reading about side effects of the vaccine that are worse than the above or is that what you meant?
My shingles vaccine side effects were far worse than that from the covid vax. However, it turned out I also had Anaplasmosis, so I don't actually know if any of my symptoms were due to the shingles vax. It's likely that the first 48 hours was indeed due to the shingles vax. After that, I felt better for a few days and then got sick again. That was likely the Anaplasmosis. The symptoms are extremely similar.
While I will never know for sure, I'm curious (and apprehensive) about what will happen when I get my second shingles shot, which was supposed to be last month. I need to reschedule that...
And I am going to reschedule it, because as unpleasant as it was after the first shot, that was still far better than a case of shingles, which my sister had.
I'm not good at pulling links or news articles I've read, out of my hat, to share, but aren't there a few stories out there where people have developed heart issues and such, from getting the vaccine? No, I'm not talking about the possible typical normal Covid vax side affects. Those are basically nothing compared to getting possible Covid side affects, which range from zero to death.
Around 1,000 cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have been reported out of 356M doses given of the vaccine. So it can happen, but it's exceedingly rare. Also, the vast majority of these cases were mild with full recovery in a matter of days.
Unfortunately, the media tends to run with these kinds of things and blow them out of proportion.7 -
I just got an email today saying that I need to be vaccinated by September 30 to keep my job. Joke's on you, I've been fully vaccinated since I became eligible. 🙂 👍
I work 100% from home. Getting sick would still cost the company lost productivity ion a way that would be avoidable an NBA irresponsible.
Edit to add: for me it was never about a job, free Krispy Kreme, or anything like that. Getting the vaccine meant being able to hug my 71 year old mom again.14 -
NorthCascades wrote: »In the US, people who get fired for refusing to comply with their job's vaccination policy will not be eligible for unemployment payments, just like people voted for refusing to comply with other policies.
Well there is still a bit of a gray area here in WA, but I sure wouldn't take the chance of getting fired over being not vaxxed and then have unemployment benefits denied. I mean, you can't even get anyone on the phone these days from government and I'm betting that as soon as these vaccines receive official verification/authorization that there will be laws requiring vaccination for at least some industries, plus that would seal the justification(s) by some employers.
It's kind of up in the air still...but How About Those Backlogs, Justice System? It's not worth the uncertainty. Keep your jobs!
https://komonews.com/news/local/unemployment-benefits-may-be-denied-to-workers-fired-for-not-being-vaccinated0 -
Wait, they were giving free Krispy Kremes for the jab?? Man, I was so gipped by getting it done back in Feb, before they started bribing people like children.
Thanks to those that did mention the Myocarditis, etc. With everything 'out there' to read these days, I knew I'd read something.
But my brain trying to keep everything straight is very overworked and stressed.
I just read on a community board they want people to rally around the nurses at our local hospital, giving them the choice of whether or not to vax. Someone wrote in saying they'll rally around people getting the vaccine and staying out of the hospital. I also passed a protest downtown over the weekend about vax choice. 
We're a very small community, of maybe 6K.3 -
Wait, they were giving free Krispy Kremes for the jab?? Man, I was so gipped by getting it done back in Feb, before they started bribing people like children.
Thanks to those that did mention the Myocarditis, etc. With everything 'out there' to read these days, I knew I'd read something. But my brain trying to keep everything straight is very overworked and stressed.
I just read on a community board they want people to rally around the nurses at our local hospital, giving them the choice of whether or not to vax. Someone wrote in saying they'll rally around people getting the vaccine and staying out of the hospital. I also passed a protest downtown over the weekend about vax choice.
We're a very small community, of maybe 6K.
I don't think it's too late, if you can find a participating location. Offer's still on their web site, says it's valid through 12/31/21:
https://www.krispykreme.com/promos/vaccineoffer
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We have a labor shortage crisis in the nursing profession, to the point where certain emergency rooms are closing at night. But the government is talking about making the vaccine mandatory for health care workers. What will be the result? More people dying due to a lack of staff and hospital closing. It's the only logical conclusion.
I don't know about the working conditions of nurses in the US, but here it's overtime every week and a sub-par pay. I imagine it's a different story in the US, it's a private system so they are probably better paid with a better schedule.1 -
We have a labor shortage crisis in the nursing profession, to the point where certain emergency rooms are closing at night. But the government is talking about making the vaccine mandatory for health care workers. What will be the result? More people dying due to a lack of staff and hospital closing. It's the only logical conclusion.
I don't know about the working conditions of nurses in the US, but here it's overtime every week and a sub-par pay. I imagine it's a different story in the US, it's a private system so they are probably better paid with a better schedule.
No, the other logical conclusion is that less people will be protected from covid if staff are not all vaccinated.
More people dying due to covid
And spread of covid won't help staffing issues at all.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »We have a labor shortage crisis in the nursing profession, to the point where certain emergency rooms are closing at night. But the government is talking about making the vaccine mandatory for health care workers. What will be the result? More people dying due to a lack of staff and hospital closing. It's the only logical conclusion.
I don't know about the working conditions of nurses in the US, but here it's overtime every week and a sub-par pay. I imagine it's a different story in the US, it's a private system so they are probably better paid with a better schedule.
No, the other logical conclusion is that less people will be protected from covid if staff are not all vaccinated.
More people dying due to covid
And spread of covid won't help staffing issues at all.
We're talking about removing potentially 10% of the nursing staff, yet we have emergency rooms that are closing at night and a record number of nurses who quit because of horrible working conditions. A lot of times they are forced to work 18 hours shifts because of bad management. It will only get worse, much more worse.
The union leader is against it, many doctors are against it in fact.
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psychod787 wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
Actually, its going to hurt in the lloonnnggg term. Many nurses have just and left the profession, taken jobs in telehealth, or case management. What many of the companies are failing to recognize is, schools are not making enough of us to replace those lost. In my line of nursing, there are few that hear the calling. It takes a breed of tough, independent, and most of all detached nurses, to survive. Tough, because you deal with chronic manipulation and the threat of violence everyday. Independent, because there will be many times you have no access to a provider, and have to make decisions quickly. Detached, well.... try giving care to someone who you know raped and killed a child. One's emotions can play hell, but we took an oath, "first, do no harm." I lovely call the ladies I work with, "barbwire broads". They are some of the best nurses I have had the privilidge to work with. All that said, my company is about to lose 50% of staff, when we are already understaffed, because they are trying to mandate vaccinations. How are we going to replace that? Answer: you can't.KosmosKitten wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
I find the notion of un-vaccinated nurses to be weird considering the profession they've chosen. I suppose I can understand medical exemptions and religious ones, but something tells me all 50 of the nurses you're mentioning don't fall into either of those categories.
Also, it's been eye-opening and somewhat disturbing (for me anyway) to learn just how conspiratorial and anti-science some health care professionals are.. and Covid brought it all out of the woodwork, so to speak.
I am really hoping I'm just somehow encountering a lot of the more vocal minority in this regard.
A lot of them are making a political statement. They refuse the vaccine because they don’t want to be controlled. They also are very vocal supporters of the former president.
Just say his name. He is not "Beetlejuice". Saying it 3 times won't get him back into office.... Trump... Trump... Trump..... wait...............Biden is still president. For the record I am vaccinated and I have had the virus. I got it in December when my company offered it and had the virus in November. While some of the nurses who are getting ready to walk are "conservative", many are liberal, and of child rearing age. They have their concerns. I personally back them. I also back those who want the vaccine.
Nursing is hard. My mom is an RN and recently retired. The main thing she would complain about were the working conditions. Patients can assault you and you have no recourse. Patient’s family members can curse you out for no reason and you’re not allowed to ask them to leave the room. Management tends to suck and if there is an issue, rarely is anything done to resolve it. I am a PA and work with a lot of nurses. I have so much respect for them. Things need to change so that we can recruit and maintain more nurses. However, it is disgraceful to be a healthcare worker and refuse to be vaccinated because you’re risking infecting your patients. The ones that refuse should be fired.
If I was in the hospital for something urgent and got sick with a vaccine-preventable illness because the health care workers taking care of me refused to get a vaccine, I'd feel angry and betrayed. I guess if there's enough of them, they can set up their own hospital where people are fine with getting measles and COVID and polio while they're recovering from other diseases.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
Actually, its going to hurt in the lloonnnggg term. Many nurses have just and left the profession, taken jobs in telehealth, or case management. What many of the companies are failing to recognize is, schools are not making enough of us to replace those lost. In my line of nursing, there are few that hear the calling. It takes a breed of tough, independent, and most of all detached nurses, to survive. Tough, because you deal with chronic manipulation and the threat of violence everyday. Independent, because there will be many times you have no access to a provider, and have to make decisions quickly. Detached, well.... try giving care to someone who you know raped and killed a child. One's emotions can play hell, but we took an oath, "first, do no harm." I lovely call the ladies I work with, "barbwire broads". They are some of the best nurses I have had the privilidge to work with. All that said, my company is about to lose 50% of staff, when we are already understaffed, because they are trying to mandate vaccinations. How are we going to replace that? Answer: you can't.KosmosKitten wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
I find the notion of un-vaccinated nurses to be weird considering the profession they've chosen. I suppose I can understand medical exemptions and religious ones, but something tells me all 50 of the nurses you're mentioning don't fall into either of those categories.
Also, it's been eye-opening and somewhat disturbing (for me anyway) to learn just how conspiratorial and anti-science some health care professionals are.. and Covid brought it all out of the woodwork, so to speak.
I am really hoping I'm just somehow encountering a lot of the more vocal minority in this regard.
A lot of them are making a political statement. They refuse the vaccine because they don’t want to be controlled. They also are very vocal supporters of the former president.
Just say his name. He is not "Beetlejuice". Saying it 3 times won't get him back into office.... Trump... Trump... Trump..... wait...............Biden is still president. For the record I am vaccinated and I have had the virus. I got it in December when my company offered it and had the virus in November. While some of the nurses who are getting ready to walk are "conservative", many are liberal, and of child rearing age. They have their concerns. I personally back them. I also back those who want the vaccine.
Nursing is hard. My mom is an RN and recently retired. The main thing she would complain about were the working conditions. Patients can assault you and you have no recourse. Patient’s family members can curse you out for no reason and you’re not allowed to ask them to leave the room. Management tends to suck and if there is an issue, rarely is anything done to resolve it. I am a PA and work with a lot of nurses. I have so much respect for them. Things need to change so that we can recruit and maintain more nurses. However, it is disgraceful to be a healthcare worker and refuse to be vaccinated because you’re risking infecting your patients. The ones that refuse should be fired.
If I was in the hospital for something urgent and got sick with a vaccine-preventable illness because the health care workers taking care of me refused to get a vaccine, I'd feel angry and betrayed. I guess if there's enough of them, they can set up their own hospital where people are fine with getting measles and COVID and polio while they're recovering from other diseases.
You'd feel angry and betrayed, which seems fair. A lot of people would sue, I suspect. Or their estates/heirs would. Here in the US, anyway.
There are a lot of potential forces and counterforces in this situation. It will be . . . interesting . . . , I fear.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
Actually, its going to hurt in the lloonnnggg term. Many nurses have just and left the profession, taken jobs in telehealth, or case management. What many of the companies are failing to recognize is, schools are not making enough of us to replace those lost. In my line of nursing, there are few that hear the calling. It takes a breed of tough, independent, and most of all detached nurses, to survive. Tough, because you deal with chronic manipulation and the threat of violence everyday. Independent, because there will be many times you have no access to a provider, and have to make decisions quickly. Detached, well.... try giving care to someone who you know raped and killed a child. One's emotions can play hell, but we took an oath, "first, do no harm." I lovely call the ladies I work with, "barbwire broads". They are some of the best nurses I have had the privilidge to work with. All that said, my company is about to lose 50% of staff, when we are already understaffed, because they are trying to mandate vaccinations. How are we going to replace that? Answer: you can't.KosmosKitten wrote: »California just ordered a mandate for health care workers. I’m surprised this wasn’t done sooner. All of the PAs and doctors I know are vaccinated and about 70% of our nurses but for some reason there are still some resistant workers and they know better.
I’m glad it is mandated now because even with masking and PPE, you can transmit Covid to others. The last thing a patient who comes in for chest pain or other unrelated complaint needs is to also catch Covid while in the hospital because his irresponsible caregiver refused the vaccine.
Yuuup, and I'm expecting a lot of co-workers to quit over that. I'm for it, but ouch is it going to suck for us in the short term
Same. We have about 50 unvaccinated nurses who are threatening to quit.
I find the notion of un-vaccinated nurses to be weird considering the profession they've chosen. I suppose I can understand medical exemptions and religious ones, but something tells me all 50 of the nurses you're mentioning don't fall into either of those categories.
Also, it's been eye-opening and somewhat disturbing (for me anyway) to learn just how conspiratorial and anti-science some health care professionals are.. and Covid brought it all out of the woodwork, so to speak.
I am really hoping I'm just somehow encountering a lot of the more vocal minority in this regard.
A lot of them are making a political statement. They refuse the vaccine because they don’t want to be controlled. They also are very vocal supporters of the former president.
Just say his name. He is not "Beetlejuice". Saying it 3 times won't get him back into office.... Trump... Trump... Trump..... wait...............Biden is still president. For the record I am vaccinated and I have had the virus. I got it in December when my company offered it and had the virus in November. While some of the nurses who are getting ready to walk are "conservative", many are liberal, and of child rearing age. They have their concerns. I personally back them. I also back those who want the vaccine.
Nursing is hard. My mom is an RN and recently retired. The main thing she would complain about were the working conditions. Patients can assault you and you have no recourse. Patient’s family members can curse you out for no reason and you’re not allowed to ask them to leave the room. Management tends to suck and if there is an issue, rarely is anything done to resolve it. I am a PA and work with a lot of nurses. I have so much respect for them. Things need to change so that we can recruit and maintain more nurses. However, it is disgraceful to be a healthcare worker and refuse to be vaccinated because you’re risking infecting your patients. The ones that refuse should be fired.
If I was in the hospital for something urgent and got sick with a vaccine-preventable illness because the health care workers taking care of me refused to get a vaccine, I'd feel angry and betrayed. I guess if there's enough of them, they can set up their own hospital where people are fine with getting measles and COVID and polio while they're recovering from other diseases.
Yes exactly. Imagine being sick already or having a heart attack or stroke and on top of that catching Covid IN the hospital because some selfish people did not want to get vaccinated…..it is insane. I think most medical lawsuits are unnecessary but in this case, a lawsuit would be justified…….6 -
NYers better stand up! I wouldn't get the injection if a gun were held to my head.
Why? I don't have to pay for internet anymore now that I'm my own 5G hotspot. I can charge people for access! I never lose my keys anymore because they stick to my forehead when I think about them. This is really great!!15 -
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We have a labor shortage crisis in the nursing profession, to the point where certain emergency rooms are closing at night. But the government is talking about making the vaccine mandatory for health care workers. What will be the result? More people dying due to a lack of staff and hospital closing. It's the only logical conclusion.
I don't know about the working conditions of nurses in the US, but here it's overtime every week and a sub-par pay. I imagine it's a different story in the US, it's a private system so they are probably better paid with a better schedule.
Every day on the news I hear medical professionals talking about how they have had mandatory vaccinations throughout their medical careers. Why is this one different? Not due to a scientific reason.9 -
paperpudding wrote: »We have a labor shortage crisis in the nursing profession, to the point where certain emergency rooms are closing at night. But the government is talking about making the vaccine mandatory for health care workers. What will be the result? More people dying due to a lack of staff and hospital closing. It's the only logical conclusion.
I don't know about the working conditions of nurses in the US, but here it's overtime every week and a sub-par pay. I imagine it's a different story in the US, it's a private system so they are probably better paid with a better schedule.
No, the other logical conclusion is that less people will be protected from covid if staff are not all vaccinated.
More people dying due to covid
And spread of covid won't help staffing issues at all.
We're talking about removing potentially 10% of the nursing staff, yet we have emergency rooms that are closing at night and a record number of nurses who quit because of horrible working conditions. A lot of times they are forced to work 18 hours shifts because of bad management. It will only get worse, much more worse.
The union leader is against it, many doctors are against it in fact.
And spread of covid wouldn't help the staffing or management issues at all.
Not vaccinating has consequences.9 -
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