This isn't a dating app...

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  • wunderkindking
    wunderkindking Posts: 1,615 Member
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    ninerbuff wrote: »
    Welcome to the public forum. Where you'l get a mixture of creeps and good people. You just have to filter out the bad ones.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    I mean yeah.

    But I participate in a lot of public forums, with a lot of people participating.

    The concentration of creeps being overtly sexual in unsolicited ways here is higher than *almost* anywhere else. It is very, very weird and obnoxious and generally unpleasant.
    Maybe because they're on keto? :D


    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

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    You're my favorite for that!
  • NVintage
    NVintage Posts: 1,463 Member
    edited August 2021
    I understand what you're saying, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare changing a myfitnesspal profile pic to avoid unwanted attention and blaming our appearance in real life for actual sexual harassment or violence toward women. & Just because I'd suggest not flashing a bunch of hundred dollar bills in a bad neighborhood doesn't mean I'm blaming you for the crime rate there...



    NVintage wrote: »
    that advice is perilously close to "what were you wearing?" It should not be necessary to change one's profile photo from a normal photo of a normal woman wearing things that it's legal and decent to wear in public, in order to avoid rude, unwelcome come-ons. Looking nice in one's profile photo is not a solicitation of inappropriate messages. The focus needs to be on the people who are behaving badly."

    I thought about that when I said it, which is why I said* I know you shouldn't have to* I'm all for truth, though...it's good to be honest with yourself and think about why you do what you do.

    As long as the advice is given to avoid certain clothes, poses, hair colors, hemlines, or etc - even with the qualification “I know you shouldn’t have to” - then it leaves room to blame the victim.

    I haven’t mentioned it on this forum yet, but the one thing that was a key factor in my stopping my previous effort at weight loss was my chemistry professor who happened also to be my work study boss.
    Long story. Won’t detail all of it here. Suffice it to say it was bad.

    But I was returning to school. Trying to finish my degree. I had been getting fit and losing weight for some time. I was looking great. Really. I was 46, and about 160. Not that far from my goal.

    The things he did, well…. When I found out he was doing the same to others (and, it turned out, worse) I reported him. And then I got the full force of rumors and the school and their lawyers. It was an absolute nightmare, that went on for a long time.

    He even used the fact that I am well endowed and had the nerve to wear a sweater I purchased at Costco to “prove” to others what a “party girl” I was.
    When all I was doing was attending class, cleaning lab equipment, setting up experiments for students, and occasionally grading papers (which I later found out I should never have been doing) That sweater showed exactly one inch of cleavage.
    An inch…. And was brown and otherwise quite boring.

    For the record, I am not, and never have been, a party girl. But there is nothing wrong with that if it’s truly consensual.

    My point here is it doesn’t matter what you wear, the creepers will say it was a signal you wanted to (insert adult activity here)
    So please. Keep the emphasis on the creeper’s behavior. Because someone could be wearing a head to toe covering and creepers will always say “They led me on! They wanted it!”
    Don’t let them have even that much to hang on to.
    It’s always always always the creeper’s behavior that is the problem. Always.

  • NVintage
    NVintage Posts: 1,463 Member
    No thank you! I'd rather focus on the things that I can control, and I suggested the profile pic based on my own experience. Also, I am pretty sure I made it clear that I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the sexy pics...just that I've gotten less attention with this one.
  • NVintage
    NVintage Posts: 1,463 Member
    Sorry, I disagree. I don't feel I'm telling anyone to do that, and I think it's a little silly to compare a photo online with these serious issues.
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,994 Member
    What you're doing when you tell women to change their appearance or behavior in order to avoid getting creeped on, is you're saying, "make sure he [harasses/bothers/assaults] the other girl." The behavior that gross dudes choose to engage in is not women's responsibility to manage, in cyberspace or meatspace. The men are making a choice and it is about god damned time they faced some consequences for it.
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  • Vikka_V
    Vikka_V Posts: 9,563 Member
    Can you send messages to people you haven't accepted as friends on here again?
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,994 Member
    Vikka_V wrote: »
    Can you send messages to people you haven't accepted as friends on here again?

    It appears so.
  • lorib642
    lorib642 Posts: 1,942 Member
    Vikka_V wrote: »
    Can you send messages to people you haven't accepted as friends on here again?
    I don’t think so. I used to accept requests, but now I am more particular. I have not gotten creepy comments that I could report, just that make me personally uncomfortable.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,225 Member
    Vikka_V wrote: »
    Can you send messages to people you haven't accepted as friends on here again?

    I believe no, but with the exception that anyone can PM the MFP staff members who're responsible for the Community even if not friends with them.
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,994 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Vikka_V wrote: »
    Can you send messages to people you haven't accepted as friends on here again?

    I believe no, but with the exception that anyone can PM the MFP staff members who're responsible for the Community even if not friends with them.

    Let’s test it.
    May I send you a message?
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,225 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Vikka_V wrote: »
    Can you send messages to people you haven't accepted as friends on here again?

    I believe no, but with the exception that anyone can PM the MFP staff members who're responsible for the Community even if not friends with them.

    Let’s test it.
    May I send you a message?

    Sure.

    As long as it's not an inappropriate come-on. (Kidding! Kidding! Yes, send.)

    I don't *think* I'm different from the standard user set-up, though on the "Welcome Committee" - it doesn't come with a membership status change like being a moderator does, AFAIK.
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,994 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    Vikka_V wrote: »
    Can you send messages to people you haven't accepted as friends on here again?

    I believe no, but with the exception that anyone can PM the MFP staff members who're responsible for the Community even if not friends with them.

    Let’s test it.
    May I send you a message?

    Sure.

    As long as it's not an inappropriate come-on. (Kidding! Kidding! Yes, send.)

    I don't *think* I'm different from the standard user set-up, though on the "Welcome Committee" - it doesn't come with a membership status change like being a moderator does, AFAIK.

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    Well…. This is what I get.

    The other day I tried it and there was an option to send someone a message.
    So I think maybe the person’s feed needs to be set to private.
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,994 Member
    Whereas this is a newbie.
    I could, if I wished, send them a private message.

    I think the solution here is for MFP to set to default things such that private messages can’t be sent unless you have chosen to allow it.

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  • Ironwoman1111
    Ironwoman1111 Posts: 3,913 Member
    edited August 2021
    @MargaretYakoda

    Did you click on the blue head?
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,994 Member
    edited August 2021
    @MargaretYakoda

    Did you click on the blue head?
    Editing because I mittened up

    Turns out yes.
    I can send a message to @AnnPT77
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  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,225 Member
    edited August 2021
    @MargaretYakoda

    Did you click on the blue head?
    Editing because I mittened up

    Turns out yes.
    I can send a message to @AnnPT77
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    I think it's a no-op placebo pseudo-send. Here's my in-box, after a couple of refreshes, just now:

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    Apologies to a few MFP friends whom I've just outed as willing to send PMs to me. 😉 All were nice, friendly, perfectly appropriate PMs.

    If it comes through, I'll speak up. But I don't really expect it.
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,994 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    @MargaretYakoda

    Did you click on the blue head?
    Editing because I mittened up

    Turns out yes.
    I can send a message to @AnnPT77
    0kq7z7ow8j2q.jpeg

    I think it's a no-op placebo pseudo-send. Here's my in-box, after a couple of refreshes, just now:

    dgarx5th2j49.jpg

    Apologies to a few MFP friends whom I've just outed as willing to send PMs to me. 😉 All were nice, friendly, perfectly appropriate PMs.

    If it comes through, I'll speak up. But I don't really expect it.

    Full disclosure: Here’s how it looks on my side

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  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,225 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    @MargaretYakoda

    Did you click on the blue head?
    Editing because I mittened up

    Turns out yes.
    I can send a message to @AnnPT77
    0kq7z7ow8j2q.jpeg

    I think it's a no-op placebo pseudo-send. Here's my in-box, after a couple of refreshes, just now:

    dgarx5th2j49.jpg

    Apologies to a few MFP friends whom I've just outed as willing to send PMs to me. 😉 All were nice, friendly, perfectly appropriate PMs.

    If it comes through, I'll speak up. But I don't really expect it.

    Full disclosure: Here’s how it looks on my side

    74d8ylg2785t.jpeg
    jnlmpy846rdk.png

    I'd note that your outbox list doesn't say I read it. My inbox doesn't show it (still - I checked again).

    It appears that the answer is that you can send a message to a non-friend, but they won't receive it.

    If creepers out there are thinking they sent messages to a bunch of intended creep-ees, who didn't read them . . . that's vaguely satisfying, somehow, in that they wanted attention, didn't get any. Apparently, not even an indication that the message wasn't actually delivered. 😆
  • MargaretYakoda
    MargaretYakoda Posts: 2,994 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    @MargaretYakoda

    Did you click on the blue head?
    Editing because I mittened up

    Turns out yes.
    I can send a message to @AnnPT77
    0kq7z7ow8j2q.jpeg

    I think it's a no-op placebo pseudo-send. Here's my in-box, after a couple of refreshes, just now:

    dgarx5th2j49.jpg

    Apologies to a few MFP friends whom I've just outed as willing to send PMs to me. 😉 All were nice, friendly, perfectly appropriate PMs.

    If it comes through, I'll speak up. But I don't really expect it.

    Full disclosure: Here’s how it looks on my side

    74d8ylg2785t.jpeg
    jnlmpy846rdk.png

    I'd note that your outbox list doesn't say I read it. My inbox doesn't show it (still - I checked again).

    It appears that the answer is that you can send a message to a non-friend, but they won't receive it.

    If creepers out there are thinking they sent messages to a bunch of intended creep-ees, who didn't read them . . . that's vaguely satisfying, somehow, in that they wanted attention, didn't get any. Apparently, not even an indication that the message wasn't actually delivered. 😆

    Bwa Ha Ha!

    Love it!
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    I’ve gotten several canned private messages lately that sound very similar, and with -can’t quite put my finger on why- potentially English not their first language.

    I figure they’re catfishing for money or a visa.

    And as @TayaCurragh so intuitively puts it, they think women with weight issues (or user names that proclaim their age) are easy targets.

    One of these days I’m going to reply with “oh hey there! I’m sitting here naked eating cookies and chocolates and checking my investments. Want some nude pics of my 59 year old *kitten*?”

    There has been an uptick in bots lately. I've been targeted as a "male" with these bots (probably because I don't have an explicitly female-sounding nickname or whatever other reasons there are (I do get email spam targetted at males too, so this may be related). Just don't accept friend requests from people who you haven't interacted with or if the friend invite message is missing or sounds suspicious.