Where Does Frank Medrano Get His Protein?

mrmagee3

"Cholesterol performs three main functions:

It helps make the outer coating of cells.
It makes up the bile acids that work to digest food in the intestine.
It allows the body to make Vitamin D and hormones, like estrogen in women and testosterone in men.

Without cholesterol, none of these functions would take place, and without these functions, human beings wouldn't exist."
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Understanding_Cholesterol.htm

That poster is correct. Dietary cholesterol intake does not correlate with blood serum cholesterol levels (in fact, carbohydrate metabolism is a better mechanism for blood serum cholesterol production).

My understanding is that dietary cholesterol DOES correlate with blood cholesterol, but it is not the major component of blood cholesterol.

I should probably have put the word "well" in there, in order to be more clear: "dietary cholesterol does not correlate well with blood serum cholesterol." I think, in so much as dietary lipids reflect caloric intake, there exists an obvious connection between the two (i.e., if you were to not eat food, you would not have blood cholesterol -- mainly because you'd be dead), and obesity (as a result of a caloric surplus) has a high correlation to increased blood serum cholesterol.

In a vacuum, higher dietary cholesterol intake can correlate to higher blood serum cholesterol, but it seems as if it holds true mostly for those whose intake puts them further into a caloric surplus.

scottaworley

"Cholesterol performs three main functions:

It helps make the outer coating of cells.
It makes up the bile acids that work to digest food in the intestine.
It allows the body to make Vitamin D and hormones, like estrogen in women and testosterone in men.

Without cholesterol, none of these functions would take place, and without these functions, human beings wouldn't exist."
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Understanding_Cholesterol.htm

That poster is correct. Dietary cholesterol intake does not correlate with blood serum cholesterol levels (in fact, carbohydrate metabolism is a better mechanism for blood serum cholesterol production).

My understanding is that dietary cholesterol DOES correlate with blood cholesterol, but it is not the major component of blood cholesterol.

I should probably have put the word "well" in there, in order to be more clear: "dietary cholesterol does not correlate well with blood serum cholesterol." I think, in so much as dietary lipids reflect caloric intake, there exists an obvious connection between the two (i.e., if you were to not eat food, you would not have blood cholesterol -- mainly because you'd be dead), and obesity (as a result of a caloric surplus) has a high correlation to increased blood serum cholesterol.

In a vacuum, higher dietary cholesterol intake can correlate to higher blood serum cholesterol, but it seems as if it holds true mostly for those whose intake puts them further into a caloric surplus.

I would be interested to see the blood work of individuals who have no dietary cholesterol intake but eat at a caloric surplus as compared to those who eat a high cholesterol diet with a caloric surplus. I'm sure studies have been done. I'll look after work.

mrmagee3

How am I being snarky?
How am I perpetuating anti-vegan sentiment? Do you have me confused for someone else?

"Carry on with the anti-vegan stuff."

There has been very little of it in this thread. There have been a lot of good actors making a lot of good commentary across a wide range of dietary beliefs. Your post could have been informative and interesting -- the first line being key, if you had fleshed it out a bit -- but instead you chose to just cap it off with that line and mark it complete.

I never accused you of perpetuating anti-vegan sentiment. I only suggested you could add more to the discussion than the original comment you had made.

EvgeniZyntx

How am I being snarky?
How am I perpetuating anti-vegan sentiment? Do you have me confused for someone else?

"Carry on with the anti-vegan stuff."

There has been very little of it in this thread. There have been a lot of good actors making a lot of good commentary across a wide range of dietary beliefs. Your post could have been informative and interesting -- the first line being key, if you had fleshed it out a bit -- but instead you chose to just cap it off with that line and mark it complete.

I never accused you of perpetuating anti-vegan sentiment. I only suggested you could add more to the discussion than the original comment you had made.

My misunderstanding then. My comment was a response to a specific anti-vegan sentiment expressed by that one poster. Thanks for the white knighting, but frankly it's not necessary.

As to the cholesterol discussion, you've now covered the main points between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol levels. Well, except that blood levels are not the best indicator of disease but types and ratios are better consideration but I'll leave that to another thread.

Edit: might like to look at the publications from this group----http://www.thincs.org/
Edit edit: I joke.

neanderthin

"Cholesterol performs three main functions:

It helps make the outer coating of cells.
It makes up the bile acids that work to digest food in the intestine.
It allows the body to make Vitamin D and hormones, like estrogen in women and testosterone in men.

Without cholesterol, none of these functions would take place, and without these functions, human beings wouldn't exist."
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Understanding_Cholesterol.htm

That poster is correct. Dietary cholesterol intake does not correlate with blood serum cholesterol levels (in fact, carbohydrate metabolism is a better mechanism for blood serum cholesterol production).

My understanding is that dietary cholesterol DOES correlate with blood cholesterol, but it is not the major component of blood cholesterol.

I should probably have put the word "well" in there, in order to be more clear: "dietary cholesterol does not correlate well with blood serum cholesterol." I think, in so much as dietary lipids reflect caloric intake, there exists an obvious connection between the two (i.e., if you were to not eat food, you would not have blood cholesterol -- mainly because you'd be dead), and obesity (as a result of a caloric surplus) has a high correlation to increased blood serum cholesterol.

In a vacuum, higher dietary cholesterol intake can correlate to higher blood serum cholesterol, but it seems as if it holds true mostly for those whose intake puts them further into a caloric surplus.

I would be interested to see the blood work of individuals who have no dietary cholesterol intake but eat at a caloric surplus as compared to those who eat a high cholesterol diet with a caloric surplus. I'm sure studies have been done. I'll look after work.

I think you'll find that dietary cholesterol needs to be metabolized by the liver first before entering the blood stream. Cholesterol does't mix with blood and needs a transport system aka lipoproteins. Genereally people have around 35000+ mg's circulating at any given time and if we don't consume any the liver just compensates for any that are disposed of through the normal bodily function. And of course if we consume cholesterol, the liver just produces less. Lifestyle, existing metabolic dysfunction, weight, diet is what influences what and the type of lipoproteins the liver is influenced to make, basically and of course genetics. Canada and quite a few other Counties don't restrict dietary cholesterol and this is one of the reasons.

When people consume cholesterol they're generally consuming saturated fat, and it's saturated fat that can and does influence the liver to then produce a preference to lipoprotein production. Generally it increases HDL and also can increase LDL, which is where the controversy is regarding heart disease.

Sarauk2sf

Oh dear - another potentially interesting and informative thread goes downhill as the hyenas close in to finish off the scraps. Same ole MFP.

Where are you seeing these hyenas - I see a discussion from people that have been in this thread for a while. It took a turn to discuss the ethical side, which unfortunately it always does (I say unfortunately as that is the point it usually gets annoying to me personally) but I do not see hyenas.

mantium999

Agreed - a shame he left the debate so soon.

Actually, what he was doing was arguing, not debating.

ryry_

OP appears severely overweight due to many years of overreating and a sedentary lifestyle...Learns what a vegetable is and starts eating carrots...Starts proselytizing to the world...Seems legit and I will definitely read all 13 pages.

Since OP is from St. Pete...Go Rays! and Go Bucs! You gonna fry up some chicken wings for the game...oh wait..nvm

DatMurse

"Cholesterol performs three main functions:

It helps make the outer coating of cells.
It makes up the bile acids that work to digest food in the intestine.
It allows the body to make Vitamin D and hormones, like estrogen in women and testosterone in men.

Without cholesterol, none of these functions would take place, and without these functions, human beings wouldn't exist."
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Understanding_Cholesterol.htm

That poster is correct. Dietary cholesterol intake does not correlate with blood serum cholesterol levels (in fact, carbohydrate metabolism is a better mechanism for blood serum cholesterol production).

My understanding is that dietary cholesterol DOES correlate with blood cholesterol, but it is not the major component of blood cholesterol.

I should probably have put the word "well" in there, in order to be more clear: "dietary cholesterol does not correlate well with blood serum cholesterol." I think, in so much as dietary lipids reflect caloric intake, there exists an obvious connection between the two (i.e., if you were to not eat food, you would not have blood cholesterol -- mainly because you'd be dead), and obesity (as a result of a caloric surplus) has a high correlation to increased blood serum cholesterol.

In a vacuum, higher dietary cholesterol intake can correlate to higher blood serum cholesterol, but it seems as if it holds true mostly for those whose intake puts them further into a caloric surplus.

I would be interested to see the blood work of individuals who have no dietary cholesterol intake but eat at a caloric surplus as compared to those who eat a high cholesterol diet with a caloric surplus. I'm sure studies have been done. I'll look after work.

They have already discussed this is the medical field. Cholesterol is highly individualized. Dietary cholesterol only affects 15% of your total cholesterol.

Even then cholesterol is not really that bad. There are many people out there with 200+ cholesterol and no heart disease or any sign of it

Yogi_Carl

Oh dear - another potentially interesting and informative thread goes downhill as the hyenas close in to finish off the scraps. Same ole MFP.

Where are you seeing these hyenas - I see a discussion from people that have been in this thread for a while. It took a turn to discuss the ethical side, which unfortunately it always does (I say unfortunately as that is the point it usually gets annoying to me personally) but I do not see hyenas.

Sorry - my error. I was feeling snarky at the time, but I've got over myself now.