Where Does Frank Medrano Get His Protein?

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  • scottaworley
    scottaworley Posts: 871 Member
    @MrMagee - no problem; a pleasure to share - while the debate is still amicable!

    As I said in a slightly different way earlier, the one thing I love about OPs like this is that they tend to pull people from differing perspectives into a reasonable debate. It's a strange phenomenon, but we see it all the time.

    That isn't OP. He's a quite reasonable almost vegan.
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    @MrMagee - no problem; a pleasure to share - while the debate is still amicable!

    As I said in a slightly different way earlier, the one thing I love about OPs like this is that they tend to pull people from differing perspectives into a reasonable debate. It's a strange phenomenon, but we see it all the time.

    That isn't OP. He's a quite reasonable almost vegan.

    I know. I've had discussions with him before. He's one of those "people from differing perspectives." I'll add that I've also appreciated your posts. Perhaps I should have said, "OPs like the one from this thread." The OP's acting out has brought in several reasoned debaters with varying opinions.
  • LAW_714
    LAW_714 Posts: 258
    Having read most of the thread (and I'll keep my thoughts about it to myself), I do have one question...

    How is popcorn 'raw'? Popcorn is pretty much by definition cooked unless someone is eating hard kernals of corn.
  • scottaworley
    scottaworley Posts: 871 Member
    @MrMagee - no problem; a pleasure to share - while the debate is still amicable!

    As I said in a slightly different way earlier, the one thing I love about OPs like this is that they tend to pull people from differing perspectives into a reasonable debate. It's a strange phenomenon, but we see it all the time.

    That isn't OP. He's a quite reasonable almost vegan.

    I know. I've had discussions with him before. He's one of those "people from differing perspectives." I'll add that I've also appreciated your posts.
    Totally misunderstood your post. Sorry :)
  • crista_b
    crista_b Posts: 1,192 Member
    @MrMagee - no problem; a pleasure to share - while the debate is still amicable!

    As I said in a slightly different way earlier, the one thing I love about OPs like this is that they tend to pull people from differing perspectives into a reasonable debate. It's a strange phenomenon, but we see it all the time.
    I agree. I like having reasonable conversations. If someone wants to ask me why I eat or don't eat the things I do, I'm happy to discuss it. Like a lot of people, I just get annoyed when people try to bash other people's choices.
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    @MrMagee - no problem; a pleasure to share - while the debate is still amicable!

    As I said in a slightly different way earlier, the one thing I love about OPs like this is that they tend to pull people from differing perspectives into a reasonable debate. It's a strange phenomenon, but we see it all the time.

    That isn't OP. He's a quite reasonable almost vegan.

    I know. I've had discussions with him before. He's one of those "people from differing perspectives." I'll add that I've also appreciated your posts.
    Totally misunderstood your post. Sorry :)

    No worries. I could have been clearer and made an edit that wasn't caught by your quote.
  • crista_b
    crista_b Posts: 1,192 Member
    Having read most of the thread (and I'll keep my thoughts about it to myself), I do have one question...

    How is popcorn 'raw'? Popcorn is pretty much by definition cooked unless someone is eating hard kernals of corn.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people who chose to only eat "raw foods" mean that they are choosing things that aren't processed, like fresh fruits, veggies, grains, etc.. I think cooking them is still okay.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    This is still going on, impressive!


    Back in to get more nutrional advice based on wizardry.
  • rawfull
    rawfull Posts: 178
    RAW FOOD WEIGHT LOSS: I eat up to 50 bananas a day!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UK-aX0_fAw

    Why would you want to? I like bananas but that sounds terrible.

    Because he is a totally addictive personality who has no self control so if someone says he should eat bananas, by god he'll eat 50 of them a day...til he gets bored of that and he finds something else that is good for him and he goes way over the top with that. I'm betting there was
    Evidence of being addictive...
    -The way he got here, he didn't just eat meat, he ate a lot of everything.
    -Way over the top on the vegan thing forcing it down everyone's throat
    -Eating a whole bag of micro popcorn with a stick of butter (btw, i hear micro cooking causes cancer)
    Ever hear of moderation? I bet he was smoker at some point too and when he quit he gave all smokers he11 for smoking.

    Thanks you for you comment and incorrect projections...
    Our conversation is over for ever, I hope you have a wonderful life...
  • _noob_
    _noob_ Posts: 3,306 Member
    i agree with above, this is the EXACT reason some "troll" threads are totally useful. Good stuff here.

    Carry on, I'm going to heat up some steak.
  • LAW_714
    LAW_714 Posts: 258
    Having read most of the thread (and I'll keep my thoughts about it to myself), I do have one question...

    How is popcorn 'raw'? Popcorn is pretty much by definition cooked unless someone is eating hard kernals of corn.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people who chose to only eat "raw foods" mean that they are choosing things that aren't processed, like fresh fruits, veggies, grains, etc.. I think cooking them is still okay.

    I thought that was the ever-demonized on MFP "clean eating".

    I thought 'raw' meant that it wasn't heated over a certain temperature (something like 100 degrees or something. I don't remember the number). Still popcorn baffles me. That's cooked. Any definition calling it otherwise seems like ridiculous hair-splitting.

    If someone wants to eat raw corn it's certainly possible. Raw fresh corn can be tasty. Popcorn on the other hand has to be heated until it is popped... IOW: cooked.
  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    Having read most of the thread (and I'll keep my thoughts about it to myself), I do have one question...

    How is popcorn 'raw'? Popcorn is pretty much by definition cooked unless someone is eating hard kernals of corn.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people who chose to only eat "raw foods" mean that they are choosing things that aren't processed, like fresh fruits, veggies, grains, etc.. I think cooking them is still okay.

    I thought that was the ever-demonized on MFP "clean eating".

    I thought 'raw' meant that it wasn't heated over a certain temperature (something like 100 degrees or something. I don't remember the number). Still popcorn baffles me. That's cooked. Any definition calling it otherwise seems like ridiculous hair-splitting.

    If someone wants to eat raw corn it's certainly possible. Raw fresh corn can be tasty. Popcorn on the other hand has to be heated until it is popped... IOW: cooked.

    I googled this. It was worth it for this page:

    http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/low-fat-raw-vegan-popcorn?xg_source=activity
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    Having read most of the thread (and I'll keep my thoughts about it to myself), I do have one question...

    How is popcorn 'raw'? Popcorn is pretty much by definition cooked unless someone is eating hard kernals of corn.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people who chose to only eat "raw foods" mean that they are choosing things that aren't processed, like fresh fruits, veggies, grains, etc.. I think cooking them is still okay.

    I thought that was the ever-demonized on MFP "clean eating".

    I thought 'raw' meant that it wasn't heated over a certain temperature (something like 100 degrees or something. I don't remember the number). Still popcorn baffles me. That's cooked. Any definition calling it otherwise seems like ridiculous hair-splitting.

    If someone wants to eat raw corn it's certainly possible. Raw fresh corn can be tasty. Popcorn on the other hand has to be heated until it is popped... IOW: cooked.

    I googled this. It was worth it for this page:

    http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/low-fat-raw-vegan-popcorn?xg_source=activity

    I love the comment about pomegranate seeds being just like popcorn. As one who loves pomegranates but does not like popcorn so much, I can most certainly state that are not the same. Salty vs. tart/sweet, dry vs. juicy . . .
  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    Having read most of the thread (and I'll keep my thoughts about it to myself), I do have one question...

    How is popcorn 'raw'? Popcorn is pretty much by definition cooked unless someone is eating hard kernals of corn.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people who chose to only eat "raw foods" mean that they are choosing things that aren't processed, like fresh fruits, veggies, grains, etc.. I think cooking them is still okay.

    I thought that was the ever-demonized on MFP "clean eating".

    I thought 'raw' meant that it wasn't heated over a certain temperature (something like 100 degrees or something. I don't remember the number). Still popcorn baffles me. That's cooked. Any definition calling it otherwise seems like ridiculous hair-splitting.

    If someone wants to eat raw corn it's certainly possible. Raw fresh corn can be tasty. Popcorn on the other hand has to be heated until it is popped... IOW: cooked.

    I googled this. It was worth it for this page:

    http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/low-fat-raw-vegan-popcorn?xg_source=activity

    I love the comment about pomegranate seeds being just like popcorn. As one who loves pomegranates but does not like popcorn so much, I can most certainly state that are not the same. Salty vs. tart/sweet, dry vs. juicy . . .

    Yes. I was wondering what world they lived in where pomegranate seeds were like popcorn.

    Oh, and you must eat your corn kernels with a teaspoon.
  • LAW_714
    LAW_714 Posts: 258
    Having read most of the thread (and I'll keep my thoughts about it to myself), I do have one question...

    How is popcorn 'raw'? Popcorn is pretty much by definition cooked unless someone is eating hard kernals of corn.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people who chose to only eat "raw foods" mean that they are choosing things that aren't processed, like fresh fruits, veggies, grains, etc.. I think cooking them is still okay.

    I thought that was the ever-demonized on MFP "clean eating".

    I thought 'raw' meant that it wasn't heated over a certain temperature (something like 100 degrees or something. I don't remember the number). Still popcorn baffles me. That's cooked. Any definition calling it otherwise seems like ridiculous hair-splitting.

    If someone wants to eat raw corn it's certainly possible. Raw fresh corn can be tasty. Popcorn on the other hand has to be heated until it is popped... IOW: cooked.

    I googled this. It was worth it for this page:

    http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/low-fat-raw-vegan-popcorn?xg_source=activity

    Thanks
    So, I'm gathering popped corn is not actually 'raw' then.

    Popped corn = cooked.
    raw corn = raw corn.
    cauliflower =/= popped corn, it's cauliflower

    Though now I'm confused about how anyone thinks pomegranate seeds taste like popped corn... wha?
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    Raw is uncooked, and for obvious reasons it also means some sort of so-called "clean" eating.
  • mandyneedtolose
    mandyneedtolose Posts: 398 Member
    Haha .. who needs cable when you have this .. I just don't understand why people keep going on and on. Nobody will ever agree .. So why don't we all just agree to disagree .. and move on .. Each person has there own theory, or way of doing things that work for them. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it wrong .. Makes it RIGHT for them. So kuddo's to all you hard working people that have found your knack. Keep doing what your doing ... :) x
  • crista_b
    crista_b Posts: 1,192 Member
    Having read most of the thread (and I'll keep my thoughts about it to myself), I do have one question...

    How is popcorn 'raw'? Popcorn is pretty much by definition cooked unless someone is eating hard kernals of corn.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people who chose to only eat "raw foods" mean that they are choosing things that aren't processed, like fresh fruits, veggies, grains, etc.. I think cooking them is still okay.

    I thought that was the ever-demonized on MFP "clean eating".

    I thought 'raw' meant that it wasn't heated over a certain temperature (something like 100 degrees or something. I don't remember the number). Still popcorn baffles me. That's cooked. Any definition calling it otherwise seems like ridiculous hair-splitting.

    If someone wants to eat raw corn it's certainly possible. Raw fresh corn can be tasty. Popcorn on the other hand has to be heated until it is popped... IOW: cooked.

    I googled this. It was worth it for this page:

    http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/low-fat-raw-vegan-popcorn?xg_source=activity

    So, I'm gathering is not actually 'raw' then.

    Popped corn = cooked. raw corn = raw corn. cauliflower =/= corn, it's cauliflower.
    :laugh: Good point.

    I found the Wikipedia about raw foodism, and it says, like you stated, "Raw foodism can include any diet of primarily unheated food, or food cooked at less than 40 °C (104 °F) to 46 °C (115 °F). [...] Raw foodism (or rawism) is a diet consisting of uncooked, unprocessed, and often organic foods or wild foods." Hmm... actual popcorn wouldn't be "raw" by this definition.

    Also, thanks for asking that question. I wasn't entirely sure what "raw foodism" entailed, and learned something new. :smile:
  • gsager
    gsager Posts: 977 Member
    The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist

    Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:

    Congratulations on your baby girls. I have twin boys that are grown but they have been a blast!!! Have fun.
  • joshdann
    joshdann Posts: 618 Member
    one can find anecdotal evidence supporting the weight loss potential of just about everything, including bacon. Just because a person tries one method and succeeds in meeting a goal, does not mean that the method contributed to their success. In many, many, many cases it's actually the exact opposite (see: science). The human element of any such unregulated experiment categorically affects the outcome. If I want to make a bacon diet work, I can do it. It might take forever, and I might have a heart attack 5 years later because of it, but I can do it.

    I'm not saying that being vegan will give you a heart attack. I'm saying that I grow tired of the non-scientific examples constantly (like, overwhelmingly frequently) cited on MFP as "evidence" of something. Whether it's eat more to lose weight, eat less to lose weight, drink this thing at this time always, never eat this, always eat this... you name it and someone has "proven" that it's the way to go. A picture of some chick who lost a bunch of weight and is also vegan does nothing to support your point or any other. Show me a double-blind, peer-reviewed study that has actually been published by an organization with some credibility, and I'll enjoy the hell out of reading it.

    You're aware under our system, industry funds most scientific studies, so the study that you're crying for is not ever going to happen... And I understand you're from Texas, and maybe freedom of speech is not valued there, but I'm going to promote whatever I feel is right, and you're free to do the same... But I've had enough of closed minded bullies for one night...
    This is our last conversation cowboy... Thanks for your comments, and have a great life...
    LOL. now I'm a close-minded bully? And here I thought I was doing pretty well at remaining objective, rational, and amicable. Apparently that's not good enough for OP.

    Boy-That-Escalated-Quickly-Anchorman.gif

    FWIW, this sort of bigotry is not only offensive, but completely unnecessary. It's tantamount to racism, just choosing to use the place I'm from instead of the color of my skin. If I were the retaliatory type I might consider reporting it... but I'm not, so meh.

    In other news, I'm going to have some Honey Nut Cheerios and some Almond milk for breakfast. Hopefully my closed mind can still get fuel from this (pseudo?) vegan type breakfast. I don't know if it qualifies but I like it and it fits my macros. It's ok though, fellow close-minded bullies. I'll get some animal protein at some point today, I think. I can't let down our "cause".
  • mrmagee3
    mrmagee3 Posts: 518 Member
    And I understand you're from Texas, and maybe freedom of speech is not valued there,
    FWIW, this sort of bigotry is not only offensive, but completely unnecessary. It's tantamount to racism, just choosing to use the place I'm from instead of the color of my skin. If I were the retaliatory type I might consider reporting it... but I'm not, so meh.

    That was the part of the post that made me do a double take, actually.

    Like Texas is a place well known for it's infringement upon and general distasteful attitude towards personal freedoms? Huh?
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Riddle me this Batman:

    I lost all my weight while eating meat. I eat between 2-3 pounds of meat daily (my diary entries are cooked weight, add ~33% for raw weight), my last full panel had my total chol. <100 (this is with a daily dietary intake of 500-700g plus 60-100g of fat). All other health markers were right about dead middle of road in range.

    Am I a wizard?
  • Yanicka1
    Yanicka1 Posts: 4,564 Member
    Riddle me this Batman:

    I lost all my weight while eating meat. I eat between 2-3 pounds of meat daily (my diary entries are cooked weight, add ~33% for raw weight), my last full panel had my total chol. <100 (this is with a daily dietary intake of 500-700g plus 60-100g of fat). All other health markers were right about dead middle of road in range.

    Am I a wizard?

    No, but you are probably dead and writing from the grave. :wink:
  • joshdann
    joshdann Posts: 618 Member
    Am I a wizard?
    You've lost 158lbs. Yes. Yes, you are a wizard.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Riddle me this Batman:

    I lost all my weight while eating meat. I eat between 2-3 pounds of meat daily (my diary entries are cooked weight, add ~33% for raw weight), my last full panel had my total chol. <100 (this is with a daily dietary intake of 500-700g plus 60-100g of fat). All other health markers were right about dead middle of road in range.

    Am I a wizard?

    No, but you are probably dead and writing from the grave. :wink:

    i_want_to_be_a_wizard_by_skinnyveestamp-d5z7bh9.png
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Riddle me this Batman:

    I lost all my weight while eating meat. I eat between 2-3 pounds of meat daily (my diary entries are cooked weight, add ~33% for raw weight), my last full panel had my total chol. <100 (this is with a daily dietary intake of 500-700g plus 60-100g of fat). All other health markers were right about dead middle of road in range.

    Am I a wizard?

    Sometimes your metabolism makes me think that you are. :flowerforyou:
  • Hestion
    Hestion Posts: 740 Member
    Riddle

    me this Batman:

    I lost all my weight while eating meat. I eat between 2-3 pounds of meat daily (my diary entries are cooked weight, add ~33% for raw weight), my last full panel had my total chol. <100 (this is with a daily dietary intake of 500-700g plus 60-100g of fat). All other health markers were right about dead middle of road in range.

    Am I a wizard?

    Maybe your not human? Afterall meat kills humans r are you some alien masquerading as a human, intending to take over the world?
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    Riddle me this Batman:

    I lost all my weight while eating meat. I eat between 2-3 pounds of meat daily (my diary entries are cooked weight, add ~33% for raw weight), my last full panel had my total chol. <100 (this is with a daily dietary intake of 500-700g plus 60-100g of fat). All other health markers were right about dead middle of road in range.

    Am I a wizard?

    No, but you are probably dead and writing from the grave. :wink:

    i_want_to_be_a_wizard_by_skinnyveestamp-d5z7bh9.png

    All evidence points towards wizardry
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
    And Frank Medrano is STILL badass.
  • scottaworley
    scottaworley Posts: 871 Member
    22057-frank-medrano_large.jpg

    ETA: Pretty good before and after I guess.

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