Where Does Frank Medrano Get His Protein?
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The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Yes. That is the conclusion. "Processed meat."
So chicken, pork, and beef are fine. Spam? Perhaps, not so much.0 -
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Note: processed meat.
"In the EPIC cohort, a high consumption of processed meat was related to moderately higher all-cause mortality. After correction for measurement error, red meat intake was no longer associated with mortality, and there was no association with the consumption of poultry. Processed meat consumption was associated with increased risk of death from cardiovascular diseases and cancer."
"As in the US cohorts, EPIC participants with a high processed meat intake had an increased risk of cardiovascular and cancer mortality. We have previously reported an increased risk of colorectal [29] and gastric [30] cancer with high meat, in particular processed meat, consumption. However, in contrast to the US cohorts [6,8], there was no statistically significant association of red meat consumption with risk of cancer or cardiovascular mortality. Also, in the Japan Collaborative Cohort Study, meat consumption up to 100 g/day was not related to increased mortality from cardiovascular disease [7].0 -
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Yes. That is the conclusion. "Processed meat."
So chicken, pork, and beef are fine. Spam? Perhaps, not so much.
So I shouldn't eat more than 20g/day of bacon?0 -
Also in a certain population, which is very difficult to define considering the data gathering for example. The MED diet touted as one of the healthiest on the planet have been preserving meats for centuries.....in that population results differ, so it seems.The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Note: processed meat.0 -
You might want to check your entries in your diary. For example:
Orville Redenbacher's - Original Popcorn Popped, 10 cup: 150 calories with 290g cho, 15g fat and 40g protein (you do not have fiber but its about 6g).
Also....ummm...Butter - Unsalted, 1 stick - for 810 calories and you are going on about saturated fats...give me a break.
You're absolutely right, I ate what I ate, I was honest, and you can condemn me for that ...
I am not condemning you for what you ate. I do find your approach in this thread highly hypocritical however.
ETA: I mentioned the popcorn as the macros really are screwed up - just as an FYI.
I've always had a problem with food, and I'm not perfect... I try to be honest, and I keep my food diary open...
And I do try to promote, what I feel is a healthy way to eat...
How would someone like you approach this subject, I'm willing to learn from anyone...0 -
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Yes. That is the conclusion. "Processed meat."
So chicken, pork, and beef are fine. Spam? Perhaps, not so much.
So I shouldn't eat more than 20g/day of bacon?
*whistles nervously not wanting to answer this question* :laugh:
Okay, so the study showed a 3% increase in all-causes mortality for people that ate more processed meat than that. Is that reason to cut back on bacon consumption? Perhaps. Perhaps there are other factors at play. It is something that, for me, is a concern, but I adore bacon. But in all seriousness, yes, cutting back a bit on bacon consumption is probably a sound decision.0 -
Also in a certain population, which is very difficult to define considering the data gathering for example. The MED diet touted as one of the healthiest on the planet have been preserving meats for centuries.....in that population results differ, so it seems.The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Note: processed meat.
You may find this interesting...
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/cattlemens-association-has-beef-with-epic-study/0 -
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Yes. That is the conclusion. "Processed meat."
So chicken, pork, and beef are fine. Spam? Perhaps, not so much.
So I shouldn't eat more than 20g/day of bacon?
*whistles nervously not wanting to answer this question* :laugh:
Okay, so the study showed a 3% increase in all-causes mortality for people that ate more processed meat than that. Is that reason to cut back on bacon consumption? Perhaps. Perhaps there are other factors at play. It is something that, for me, is a concern, but I adore bacon.
Reply...
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/cattlemens-association-has-beef-with-epic-study/0 -
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Yes. That is the conclusion. "Processed meat."
So chicken, pork, and beef are fine. Spam? Perhaps, not so much.
So I shouldn't eat more than 20g/day of bacon?
*whistles nervously not wanting to answer this question* :laugh:
Okay, so the study showed a 3% increase in all-causes mortality for people that ate more processed meat than that. Is that reason to cut back on bacon consumption? Perhaps. Perhaps there are other factors at play. It is something that, for me, is a concern, but I adore bacon.
Reply...
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/cattlemens-association-has-beef-with-epic-study/
You may want to start reading real research rather than just watching internet propaganda and alarmist videos.0 -
You might want to check your entries in your diary. For example:
Orville Redenbacher's - Original Popcorn Popped, 10 cup: 150 calories with 290g cho, 15g fat and 40g protein (you do not have fiber but its about 6g).
Also....ummm...Butter - Unsalted, 1 stick - for 810 calories and you are going on about saturated fats...give me a break.
You're absolutely right, I ate what I ate, I was honest, and you can condemn me for that ...
I am not condemning you for what you ate. I do find your approach in this thread highly hypocritical however.
ETA: I mentioned the popcorn as the macros really are screwed up - just as an FYI.
I've always had a problem with food, and I'm not perfect... I try to be honest, and I keep my food diary open...
And I do try to promote, what I feel is a healthy way to eat...
How would someone like you approach this subject, I'm willing to learn from anyone...
Honestly, I would look to get a balanced diet, which includes mainly whole foods, but throw in some treats if you wish (and if they are not trigger foods). I set my macros based on your stats and circumstances and look to eat to a reasonable calorie deficit. You then hit those macros in a way that you feel comfortable with.
I am a vegetarian so do not eat meat (not for health reasons), but other than that, I do not consider any foods to be off limits. People with medical issues obviously need to limited some foods in certain circumstances and people with trigger foods probably do well to avoid them.
With the amount you have to lose, I would limit your carbs a bit as you *may* be insulin resistant. With age, our protein needs increase, so I would up my protein.
I would also ensure I get exercise, whether that be walking or something a bit more rigorous.
The healthiest diet really is the most varied as it allows you to get fats and micronutrients from the various sources. I would also imagine that it is the most sustainable (it is for me anyway) as it is more interesting and allows more flexibility. This does not always work well for some.0 -
Meat consumption and prospective weight change in participants of the EPIC-PANACEA study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131
CONCLUSION:
Our results suggest that a decrease in meat consumption may improve weight management.0 -
Meat consumption and prospective weight change in participants of the EPIC-PANACEA study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131
CONCLUSION:
Our results suggest that a decrease in meat consumption may improve weight management.
Meat intake may be related to weight gain because of its high energy and fat content. Some observational studies have shown that meat consumption is positively associated with weight gain, but intervention studies have shown mixed results.
i.e. more calories...not relevant when tracking...0 -
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Yes. That is the conclusion. "Processed meat."
So chicken, pork, and beef are fine. Spam? Perhaps, not so much.
So I shouldn't eat more than 20g/day of bacon?
*whistles nervously not wanting to answer this question* :laugh:
Okay, so the study showed a 3% increase in all-causes mortality for people that ate more processed meat than that. Is that reason to cut back on bacon consumption? Perhaps. Perhaps there are other factors at play. It is something that, for me, is a concern, but I adore bacon.
Reply...
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/cattlemens-association-has-beef-with-epic-study/
I had 90gms of bacon on Sunday, but no other processed meat during the week -- when will I die?0 -
Also in a certain population, which is very difficult to define considering the data gathering for example. The MED diet touted as one of the healthiest on the planet have been preserving meats for centuries.....in that population results differ, so it seems.The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Note: processed meat.
You may find this interesting...
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/cattlemens-association-has-beef-with-epic-study/"People that eat any kind of meat went on to gain significantly more weight than those eating less, even eating the same number of calories"
Do you see any problem in the science of that statement, and any contradiction as well?0 -
You might want to check your entries in your diary. For example:
Orville Redenbacher's - Original Popcorn Popped, 10 cup: 150 calories with 290g cho, 15g fat and 40g protein (you do not have fiber but its about 6g).
Also....ummm...Butter - Unsalted, 1 stick - for 810 calories and you are going on about saturated fats...give me a break.
You're absolutely right, I ate what I ate, I was honest, and you can condemn me for that ...
I am not condemning you for what you ate. I do find your approach in this thread highly hypocritical however.
ETA: I mentioned the popcorn as the macros really are screwed up - just as an FYI.
I've always had a problem with food, and I'm not perfect... I try to be honest, and I keep my food diary open...
And I do try to promote, what I feel is a healthy way to eat...
How would someone like you approach this subject, I'm willing to learn from anyone...
Honestly, I would look to get a balanced diet, which includes mainly whole foods, but throw in some treats if you wish (and if they are not trigger foods). I set my macros based on your stats and circumstances and look to eat to a reasonable calorie deficit. You then hit those macros in a way that you feel comfortable with.
I am a vegetarian so do not eat meat (not for health reasons), but other than that, I do not consider any foods to be off limits. People with medical issues obviously need to limited some foods in certain circumstances and people with trigger foods probably do well to avoid them.
With the amount you have to lose, I would limit your carbs a bit as you *may* be insulin resistant. With age, our protein needs increase, so I would up my protein.
I would also ensure I get exercise, whether that be walking or something a bit more rigorous.
The healthiest diet really is the most varied as it allows you to get fats and micronutrients from the various sources. I would also imagine that it is the most sustainable (it is for me anyway) as it is more interesting and allows more flexibility. This does not always work well for some.
Thank you, I appreciate your advise...
Unfortunately, I'm physically disabled ex paramedic, so I'm unable to exercise, one of the reasons that I posted the video, I was once in pretty good physical condition, and I really miss that in my life...
I'm tying to undo a lot of damage that I did to myself, and I've done a huge amount of research about healing with foods, and one thing I can say for sure, when I gave up meat and dairy, my diabetes improved, and I no longer need insulin...
And I'm trying to go further, to reverse it all together, using raw vegan diet...
Here's an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-IIb4nqWU 0 -
Meat consumption and prospective weight change in participants of the EPIC-PANACEA study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131
CONCLUSION:
Our results suggest that a decrease in meat consumption may improve weight management.
First off, much better sourcing for your arguments.
That said, when I have trouble managing my weight, I'll look around for ways that "may" help. There is too much evidence out there that weight gain and loss is a matter simply of calories in versus calories out, and my own experience with intentional gains and losses have demonstrated that principal quite well to me. I'm sure that on a website designed around a calorie counter, that I am not alone.
But again, if cutting out meat (or other calorie dense food) helps you in terms of weight management, then please feel free to do so. I'm certainly not going to criticize anyone for choosing to eat vegetarian.0 -
Meat consumption and prospective weight change in participants of the EPIC-PANACEA study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131
CONCLUSION:
Our results suggest that a decrease in meat consumption may improve weight management.
First off, much better sourcing for your arguments.
That said, when I have trouble managing my weight, I'll look around for ways that "may" help. There is too much evidence out there that weight gain and loss is a matter simply of calories in versus calories out, and my own experience with intentional gains and losses have demonstrated that principal quite well to me. I'm sure that on a website designed around a calorie counter, that I am not alone.
But again, if cutting out meat (or other calorie dense food) helps you in terms of weight management, then please feel free to do so. I'm certainly not going to criticize anyone for choosing to eat vegetarian.
You better not.....
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Science says humans would not have evolved if they did not eat meat as hunter gatherers.0
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The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
i seriously doubt that you have ever eaten like the people in this thread. You have a lot to learn about nutrition and health and your arrogance is clearly uncalled for given your general level of knowledge on the subject.
You ruined your health by overeating. And as for an education on the subject, start here, with a real study:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63
You are correct, I ruined my health by overeating... And not eating healthy food...
Conclusions
The results of our analyses suggest that men and women with a high consumption of processed meat are at increased risk of early death, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases but also to cancer. In this population, reduction of processed meat consumption to less than 20 g/day would prevent more than 3% of all deaths. As processed meat consumption is a modifiable risk factor, health promotion activities should include specific advice on lowering processed meat consumption.
Yes. That is the conclusion. "Processed meat."
So chicken, pork, and beef are fine. Spam? Perhaps, not so much.
So I shouldn't eat more than 20g/day of bacon?
*whistles nervously not wanting to answer this question* :laugh:
Okay, so the study showed a 3% increase in all-causes mortality for people that ate more processed meat than that. Is that reason to cut back on bacon consumption? Perhaps. Perhaps there are other factors at play. It is something that, for me, is a concern, but I adore bacon.
Reply...
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/cattlemens-association-has-beef-with-epic-study/
I had 90gms of bacon on Sunday, but no other processed meat during the week -- when will I die?
My guess is you would put your life at greater danger by driving on a number of highways than if you ate the bacon. That is one of the things that I always find a little annoying with these arguments. Some people obsess about the hidden dangers of their food and yet continue to drive cars. I'm not saying that anyone should stop driving, but risk is everywhere. Manage it the best you can and move on. Wear your seat belt. Don't drink and drive. Eat less and move more. Oh, and don't swim in a thunderstorm.0 -
Meat consumption and prospective weight change in participants of the EPIC-PANACEA study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20592131
CONCLUSION:
Our results suggest that a decrease in meat consumption may improve weight management.
First off, much better sourcing for your arguments.
That said, when I have trouble managing my weight, I'll look around for ways that "may" help. There is too much evidence out there that weight gain and loss is a matter simply of calories in versus calories out, and my own experience with intentional gains and losses have demonstrated that principal quite well to me. I'm sure that on a website designed around a calorie counter, that I am not alone.
But again, if cutting out meat (or other calorie dense food) helps you in terms of weight management, then please feel free to do so. I'm certainly not going to criticize anyone for choosing to eat vegetarian.
You better not.....
I value my life :laugh:0 -
You might want to check your entries in your diary. For example:
Orville Redenbacher's - Original Popcorn Popped, 10 cup: 150 calories with 290g cho, 15g fat and 40g protein (you do not have fiber but its about 6g).
Also....ummm...Butter - Unsalted, 1 stick - for 810 calories and you are going on about saturated fats...give me a break.
You're absolutely right, I ate what I ate, I was honest, and you can condemn me for that ...
I am not condemning you for what you ate. I do find your approach in this thread highly hypocritical however.
ETA: I mentioned the popcorn as the macros really are screwed up - just as an FYI.
I've always had a problem with food, and I'm not perfect... I try to be honest, and I keep my food diary open...
And I do try to promote, what I feel is a healthy way to eat...
How would someone like you approach this subject, I'm willing to learn from anyone...
Honestly, I would look to get a balanced diet, which includes mainly whole foods, but throw in some treats if you wish (and if they are not trigger foods). I set my macros based on your stats and circumstances and look to eat to a reasonable calorie deficit. You then hit those macros in a way that you feel comfortable with.
I am a vegetarian so do not eat meat (not for health reasons), but other than that, I do not consider any foods to be off limits. People with medical issues obviously need to limited some foods in certain circumstances and people with trigger foods probably do well to avoid them.
With the amount you have to lose, I would limit your carbs a bit as you *may* be insulin resistant. With age, our protein needs increase, so I would up my protein.
I would also ensure I get exercise, whether that be walking or something a bit more rigorous.
The healthiest diet really is the most varied as it allows you to get fats and micronutrients from the various sources. I would also imagine that it is the most sustainable (it is for me anyway) as it is more interesting and allows more flexibility. This does not always work well for some.
Thank you, I appreciate your advise...
Unfortunately, I'm physically disabled ex paramedic, so I'm unable to exercise, one of the reasons that I posted the video, I was once in pretty good physical condition, and I really miss that in my life...
I'm tying to undo a lot of damage that I did to myself, and I've done a huge amount of research about healing with foods, and one thing I can say for sure, when I gave up meat and dairy, my diabetes improved, and I no longer need insulin...
And I'm trying to go further, to reverse it all together, using raw vegan diet...
Here's an example:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-IIb4nqWU
You are welcome.
Due to the limitations on getting protein and the restrictions in general, I am not a fan of raw vegan diets (the raw bit more than anything). However, a couple of suggestions - look at nutritional yeast. Its good on popcorn, is a complete protein and has vitamin B12. Hemp seed is another (not good on popcorn though). I assume these are 'allowed'.
Also, I google-fu's him when someone mentioned eggplant bacon and was intrigued (veggie bacon is not good in general) - Matthew Kenney - he is a raw vegan chef and his dishes actually look really good.0 -
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
No, you ruined your health by eating far too much, not from what you was specifically eating.
If you have read a lot about health and nutrition then you should know that what you're trying to promote, and the way you're trying to promote it, is utter bollocks.0 -
Wha? :noway:
For the record, vegans have the same rates of disease and death as meat eaters...0 -
You might want to check your entries in your diary. For example:
Orville Redenbacher's - Original Popcorn Popped, 10 cup: 150 calories with 290g cho, 15g fat and 40g protein (you do not have fiber but its about 6g).
Also....ummm...Butter - Unsalted, 1 stick - for 810 calories and you are going on about saturated fats...give me a break.
You're absolutely right, I ate what I ate, I was honest, and you can condemn me for that ...
I am not condemning you for what you ate. I do find your approach in this thread highly hypocritical however.
ETA: I mentioned the popcorn as the macros really are screwed up - just as an FYI.
I've always had a problem with food, and I'm not perfect... I try to be honest, and I keep my food diary open...
And I do try to promote, what I feel is a healthy way to eat...
How would someone like you approach this subject, I'm willing to learn from anyone...
Honestly, I would look to get a balanced diet, which includes mainly whole foods, but throw in some treats if you wish (and if they are not trigger foods). I set my macros based on your stats and circumstances and look to eat to a reasonable calorie deficit. You then hit those macros in a way that you feel comfortable with.
I am a vegetarian so do not eat meat (not for health reasons), but other than that, I do not consider any foods to be off limits. People with medical issues obviously need to limited some foods in certain circumstances and people with trigger foods probably do well to avoid them.
With the amount you have to lose, I would limit your carbs a bit as you *may* be insulin resistant. With age, our protein needs increase, so I would up my protein.
I would also ensure I get exercise, whether that be walking or something a bit more rigorous.
The healthiest diet really is the most varied as it allows you to get fats and micronutrients from the various sources. I would also imagine that it is the most sustainable (it is for me anyway) as it is more interesting and allows more flexibility. This does not always work well for some.
Thank you, I appreciate your advise...
Unfortunately, I'm physically disabled ex paramedic, so I'm unable to exercise, one of the reasons that I posted the video, I was once in pretty good physical condition, and I really miss that in my life...
I'm tying to undo a lot of damage that I did to myself, and I've done a huge amount of research about healing with foods, and one thing I can say for sure, when I gave up meat and dairy, my diabetes improved, and I no longer need insulin...
And I'm trying to go further, to reverse it all together, using raw vegan diet...
Here's an example:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-IIb4nqWU
You are welcome.
Due to the limitations on getting protein and the restrictions in general, I am not a fan of raw vegan diets (the raw bit more than anything). However, a couple of suggestions - look at nutritional yeast. Its good on popcorn, is a complete protein and has vitamin B12. Hemp seed is another (not good on popcorn though). I assume these are 'allowed'.
Also, I google-fu's him when someone mentioned eggplant bacon and was intrigued (veggie bacon is not good in general) - Matthew Kenney - he is a raw vegan chef and his dishes actually look really good.
I got really ill from eating that popcorn meal, I was nauseated the entire day, popcorn doesn't sound good to me anymore...
That next morning I tossed all my non raw vegan food... I feel good eating raw food, and I 'm tired of feeling bad...0 -
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist
Are you a wizard, of science? :laugh:
No, I ruined my health, eating like you do, and I'm trying to reverse all the damage that I did to myself...
And now I read a lot about health and nutrition...
No, you ruined your health by eating far too much, not from what you was specifically eating.
If you have read a lot about health and nutrition then you should know that what you're trying to promote, and the way you're trying to promote it, is utter bollocks.
Thank you for your opinion...0 -
My dinner was COMPLETELY vegan except for the eggs, cheese, and bacon. I also had bourbon before dinner and will have more now.
Still healthy. How about you?
Your cardiologist just smiled...
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/02/‘dr-sanjay-gupta-reports-the-last-heart-attack’-–-a-mission-possible/
I don't have a cardiologist. I'm about 40 years out from needing that sort of thing, if ever. I did however have a general checkup and bloodwork done within the last few months. My numbers were stellar, even with the somewhat raised stressed levels of having newborn twins at home, coupled with a long break from training.
How about you mind your own health and fitness before doing a lousy job trying to push an agenda.
The scientific facts are, you will need a cardiologist, and if trying to promote good health is an agenda, guilty as charged...
Thanks for pointing that out...
if you don't have any scientific evidence to support your views, please stop being a cry baby about ignoring science...
OP, here's some reading that I think you'll find worthwile:
http://erudition.mohit.tripod.com/_Influence_People.pdf0 -
You might want to check your entries in your diary. For example:
Orville Redenbacher's - Original Popcorn Popped, 10 cup: 150 calories with 290g cho, 15g fat and 40g protein (you do not have fiber but its about 6g).
Also....ummm...Butter - Unsalted, 1 stick - for 810 calories and you are going on about saturated fats...give me a break.
You're absolutely right, I ate what I ate, I was honest, and you can condemn me for that ...
I am not condemning you for what you ate. I do find your approach in this thread highly hypocritical however.
ETA: I mentioned the popcorn as the macros really are screwed up - just as an FYI.
I've always had a problem with food, and I'm not perfect... I try to be honest, and I keep my food diary open...
And I do try to promote, what I feel is a healthy way to eat...
How would someone like you approach this subject, I'm willing to learn from anyone...
Honestly, I would look to get a balanced diet, which includes mainly whole foods, but throw in some treats if you wish (and if they are not trigger foods). I set my macros based on your stats and circumstances and look to eat to a reasonable calorie deficit. You then hit those macros in a way that you feel comfortable with.
I am a vegetarian so do not eat meat (not for health reasons), but other than that, I do not consider any foods to be off limits. People with medical issues obviously need to limited some foods in certain circumstances and people with trigger foods probably do well to avoid them.
With the amount you have to lose, I would limit your carbs a bit as you *may* be insulin resistant. With age, our protein needs increase, so I would up my protein.
I would also ensure I get exercise, whether that be walking or something a bit more rigorous.
The healthiest diet really is the most varied as it allows you to get fats and micronutrients from the various sources. I would also imagine that it is the most sustainable (it is for me anyway) as it is more interesting and allows more flexibility. This does not always work well for some.
Thank you, I appreciate your advise...
Unfortunately, I'm physically disabled ex paramedic, so I'm unable to exercise, one of the reasons that I posted the video, I was once in pretty good physical condition, and I really miss that in my life...
I'm tying to undo a lot of damage that I did to myself, and I've done a huge amount of research about healing with foods, and one thing I can say for sure, when I gave up meat and dairy, my diabetes improved, and I no longer need insulin...
And I'm trying to go further, to reverse it all together, using raw vegan diet...
Here's an example:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-IIb4nqWU
You are welcome.
Due to the limitations on getting protein and the restrictions in general, I am not a fan of raw vegan diets (the raw bit more than anything). However, a couple of suggestions - look at nutritional yeast. Its good on popcorn, is a complete protein and has vitamin B12. Hemp seed is another (not good on popcorn though). I assume these are 'allowed'.
Also, I google-fu's him when someone mentioned eggplant bacon and was intrigued (veggie bacon is not good in general) - Matthew Kenney - he is a raw vegan chef and his dishes actually look really good.
I got really ill from eating that popcorn meal, I was nauseated the entire day, popcorn doesn't sound good to me anymore...
That next morning I tossed all my non raw vegan food... I feel good eating raw food, and I 'm tired of feeling bad...
With all respect, I would feel ill after eating popcorn with an entire stick of butter on it.
You don't have to go "all or nothing" to be healthy. There is a middle path that is sustainable, very healthy, and by which you can still enjoy your food. I'd hate to see someone go from a bad diet to an unsustainably restrictive one, only to swing wildly back and forth while beating themselves up in the process. No good comes from that.0 -
You might want to check your entries in your diary. For example:
Orville Redenbacher's - Original Popcorn Popped, 10 cup: 150 calories with 290g cho, 15g fat and 40g protein (you do not have fiber but its about 6g).
Also....ummm...Butter - Unsalted, 1 stick - for 810 calories and you are going on about saturated fats...give me a break.
You're absolutely right, I ate what I ate, I was honest, and you can condemn me for that ...
I am not condemning you for what you ate. I do find your approach in this thread highly hypocritical however.
ETA: I mentioned the popcorn as the macros really are screwed up - just as an FYI.
I've always had a problem with food, and I'm not perfect... I try to be honest, and I keep my food diary open...
And I do try to promote, what I feel is a healthy way to eat...
How would someone like you approach this subject, I'm willing to learn from anyone...
Honestly, I would look to get a balanced diet, which includes mainly whole foods, but throw in some treats if you wish (and if they are not trigger foods). I set my macros based on your stats and circumstances and look to eat to a reasonable calorie deficit. You then hit those macros in a way that you feel comfortable with.
I am a vegetarian so do not eat meat (not for health reasons), but other than that, I do not consider any foods to be off limits. People with medical issues obviously need to limited some foods in certain circumstances and people with trigger foods probably do well to avoid them.
With the amount you have to lose, I would limit your carbs a bit as you *may* be insulin resistant. With age, our protein needs increase, so I would up my protein.
I would also ensure I get exercise, whether that be walking or something a bit more rigorous.
The healthiest diet really is the most varied as it allows you to get fats and micronutrients from the various sources. I would also imagine that it is the most sustainable (it is for me anyway) as it is more interesting and allows more flexibility. This does not always work well for some.
Thank you, I appreciate your advise...
Unfortunately, I'm physically disabled ex paramedic, so I'm unable to exercise, one of the reasons that I posted the video, I was once in pretty good physical condition, and I really miss that in my life...
I'm tying to undo a lot of damage that I did to myself, and I've done a huge amount of research about healing with foods, and one thing I can say for sure, when I gave up meat and dairy, my diabetes improved, and I no longer need insulin...
And I'm trying to go further, to reverse it all together, using raw vegan diet...
Here's an example:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8-IIb4nqWU
You are welcome.
Due to the limitations on getting protein and the restrictions in general, I am not a fan of raw vegan diets (the raw bit more than anything). However, a couple of suggestions - look at nutritional yeast. Its good on popcorn, is a complete protein and has vitamin B12. Hemp seed is another (not good on popcorn though). I assume these are 'allowed'.
Also, I google-fu's him when someone mentioned eggplant bacon and was intrigued (veggie bacon is not good in general) - Matthew Kenney - he is a raw vegan chef and his dishes actually look really good.
I got really ill from eating that popcorn meal, I was nauseated the entire day, popcorn doesn't sound good to me anymore...
That next morning I tossed all my non raw vegan food... I feel good eating raw food, and I 'm tired of feeling bad...
If you feel good, go for it. However, it does not make other diets inherently bad or unhealthy if you personally do not feel good on them. There really is no reliable evidence (other than possibly high quantities of processed meat) that meat or other animal products is bad for you, assuming a balanced diet (which can be said for any diet). The studies are self reported meta-analysis and the total diet needs to be looked at in context, as well as lifestyle.0 -
Wha? :noway:
For the record, vegans have the same rates of disease and death as meat eaters...
I agree with that statement... Being vegan alone, doesn't represent a healthy lifestyle...
I know a lot of unhealthy vegans, who eat vegan junk food, and are obese, and ill...
But you can't say that about vegans who eat healthy vegan choices, and they have much less disease than the general population... Remember, it not exclusively about what you don't eat, and more about what you do eat...
Just like one hamburger, or steak is not going to kill you, but if you eat that as a daily diet, it will cause you harm...
And the same is true for vegan Nutter Butter peanut butter cookies...0 -
I can't believe no one appreciated my "NO WHEY" comment. Fine, whatever. Continue arguing about processed meat. It's all bologna.0
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