Guess What was on my Kid's School Shopping List
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I LOL'd. There's a few hundred kids in the school. We still have to go to IKEA and the Golf Course for pencils.
did you lol because you think a few hundred kids is a small school? We had a graduating class of 24.
I LOL'd because she said "I don't know what happens in your big city schools".
I dont even know what Golf Course is and the closest IKEA to where I live is 6 hours away.... so sorry for assuming you were from a big city...we do not have stores like those around here. We do not even have a Walmart or stores like those. We have to drive to the next closest city to get to those stores (approx. 30 min trip). We are lucky just to have the Dollar General store that we have in town.
You don't know what a Golf Course is?
Ya, IKEA is like an hour.
I know what a golf course is.. I thought you were saying it like it was a store name?? Sorry, I think you were trying to crack a joke that went way over my head.
I dont think you should have to spend so much in your wifes classroom. If the teacher specifically asked for something odd she maybe should have just explained it was so they didnt have to go to the nurses often, taking away from class time.. I am not complaining about taking pens, pencils, paper, folders, and the necessities, just the odd stuff that I had never seen before. This was the first year we had band aids on the list.0 -
What exactly are our taxes covering since we also have to provide all the supplies for the classrooms? My son is now grown but I was appalled at what was we were required to provide for the classroom when he was in school.
Mostly teacher's salaries, benefits, and pensions(depending on the school. Also utilities, building maintenance, support staff, administration, etc.
Mostly administration salaries...not teachers.
And the way society is going, insurance.0 -
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I would also like to state for the record.. LOL.. that I did a school supply drive a couple of years ago for my sons class where I worked and each employee donated quite a bit of supplies for my sons teacher and classroom. I do buy everything on the school supply list, with the exception of the band aids this year, but after reading what HKMURPHY83 posted I will most likely send some in, just because I see where she is coming from.
Glad you've changed your mind, but still confused about why you ever thought your child wouldn't need band-aids ...0 -
Wow! You are supposed to send the teacher a bag of candy to feed to the kids for incentive? If they want something like that for incentive, they should buy it themselves. Our kids get pencils, stickers or more time outside!
I remember getting "warm fuzzies" when I was young- a colored cottonball with googley-eyes and little paper feet.
One of the best incentive programs I experienced was in fourth grade. Each week, a student got a 3x5 notecard. For negative behavior, such as fighting, not doing assignments, or something like that, you'd get a hole punched in your card. After recess on Friday, the three classes would consolidate and watch a movie, play games, or do something fun. But, if you had three or more punches, you didn't get to participate.
I thought it was a good practice because the emphasis wasn't on rearding students for doing what they were supposed to. The "default" situation for all students was to have fun Friday afternoon. But this did provide a negative consequence for negative behavior in the form of missing out.
It would seem to me that food-based rewards and incentives are asking for trouble. If one student eats something they're not supposed to, you could have a serious liability issue on your hands. Teachers may be able to pass on allergy information for things such as birthday or holiday treats that parents can check before letting their child share it with the class. But if Jimmy's incentive candy has something in it to which Joey is allergic and Joey then gets a piece of Jimmy's candy (such as recieving it by accident, from a student who wants to share their reward, or because Joey's actually a naughty child and is stealing treats), you could have a reaction the teacher isn't expecting.0 -
I LOL'd. There's a few hundred kids in the school. We still have to go to IKEA and the Golf Course for pencils.
did you lol because you think a few hundred kids is a small school? We had a graduating class of 24.
I LOL'd because she said "I don't know what happens in your big city schools".
I dont even know what Golf Course is and the closest IKEA to where I live is 6 hours away.... so sorry for assuming you were from a big city...we do not have stores like those around here. We do not even have a Walmart or stores like those. We have to drive to the next closest city to get to those stores (approx. 30 min trip). We are lucky just to have the Dollar General store that we have in town.
You don't know what a Golf Course is?
Ya, IKEA is like an hour.
I know what a golf course is.. I thought you were saying it like it was a store name?? Sorry, I think you were trying to crack a joke that went way over my head.
I dont think you should have to spend so much in your wifes classroom. If the teacher specifically asked for something odd she maybe should have just explained it was so they didnt have to go to the nurses often, taking away from class time.. I am not complaining about taking pens, pencils, paper, folders, and the necessities, just the odd stuff that I had never seen before. This was the first year we had band aids on the list.
Really, I remember taking band aids 25 years ago.0 -
I would also like to state for the record.. LOL.. that I did a school supply drive a couple of years ago for my sons class where I worked and each employee donated quite a bit of supplies for my sons teacher and classroom. I do buy everything on the school supply list, with the exception of the band aids this year, but after reading what HKMURPHY83 posted I will most likely send some in, just because I see where she is coming from.
Glad you've changed your mind, but still confused about why you ever thought your child wouldn't need band-aids ...
Honestly.. neither one of my kids have ever came home with a band aid from school...0 -
What ever happened to the incentive of not failing them? My teachers didn't need to bribe me with candy because I knew at the end of the day it was my father I had to deal with if I failed.
What if the parents don't care that they fail, or claim "I don't know what else to do"? I taught 7th grade. If you failed my English class the punishment was (drumrolllll) ... moving on to 8th grade!
I'm not in favor of holding kids back, because numerous studies have shown it doesn't work. Still, something needs to change at the middle school level, because when they go to high school, it usually takes a couple of failing classes before they realize that they actually need credits to graduate. By then they're behind and it's pretty difficult to catch up without night school/summer school.
There really is an astounding lack of accountability in our society. Teachers deal with it more than some professions, I guess.0 -
I LOL'd. There's a few hundred kids in the school. We still have to go to IKEA and the Golf Course for pencils.
did you lol because you think a few hundred kids is a small school? We had a graduating class of 24.
I LOL'd because she said "I don't know what happens in your big city schools".
I dont even know what Golf Course is and the closest IKEA to where I live is 6 hours away.... so sorry for assuming you were from a big city...we do not have stores like those around here. We do not even have a Walmart or stores like those. We have to drive to the next closest city to get to those stores (approx. 30 min trip). We are lucky just to have the Dollar General store that we have in town.
You don't know what a Golf Course is?
Ya, IKEA is like an hour.
I know what a golf course is.. I thought you were saying it like it was a store name?? Sorry, I think you were trying to crack a joke that went way over my head.
I dont think you should have to spend so much in your wifes classroom. If the teacher specifically asked for something odd she maybe should have just explained it was so they didnt have to go to the nurses often, taking away from class time.. I am not complaining about taking pens, pencils, paper, folders, and the necessities, just the odd stuff that I had never seen before. This was the first year we had band aids on the list.
Really, I remember taking band aids 25 years ago.
Like I said before... different town, different school, different lists... its the first time ever for ours... and I was in the same school district as my kids when I grew up and we never had them on the list..0 -
Wow! You are supposed to send the teacher a bag of candy to feed to the kids for incentive? If they want something like that for incentive, they should buy it themselves. Our kids get pencils, stickers or more time outside!
I remember getting "warm fuzzies" when I was young- a colored cottonball with googley-eyes and little paper feet.
One of the best incentive programs I experienced was in fourth grade. Each week, a student got a 3x5 notecard. For negative behavior, such as fighting, not doing assignments, or something like that, you'd get a hole punched in your card. After recess on Friday, the three classes would consolidate and watch a movie, play games, or do something fun. But, if you had three or more punches, you didn't get to participate.
I thought it was a good practice because the emphasis wasn't on rearding students for doing what they were supposed to. The "default" situation for all students was to have fun Friday afternoon. But this did provide a negative consequence for negative behavior in the form of missing out.
It would seem to me that food-based rewards and incentives are asking for trouble. If one student eats something they're not supposed to, you could have a serious liability issue on your hands. Teachers may be able to pass on allergy information for things such as birthday or holiday treats that parents can check before letting their child share it with the class. But if Jimmy's incentive candy has something in it to which Joey is allergic and Joey then gets a piece of Jimmy's candy (such as recieving it by accident, from a student who wants to share their reward, or because Joey's actually a naughty child and is stealing treats), you could have a reaction the teacher isn't expecting.
I love warm fuzzies! A cheap and non-food related reward!0 -
What exactly are our taxes covering since we also have to provide all the supplies for the classrooms? My son is now grown but I was appalled at what was we were required to provide for the classroom when he was in school.
Mostly teacher's salaries, benefits, and pensions(depending on the school. Also utilities, building maintenance, support staff, administration, etc.
Mostly administration salaries...not teachers.
And the way society is going, insurance.
I will have to check my numbers, but 80% of LAUSD's budget is teacher compensation. While admins may be paid more than teachers, I cannot imagine that line item is higher than the teacher line item.0 -
I totally agree that candy is not cool but other things for the classroom tissues, cleaning supplies are totally exceptable.Teachers are forced to pick up too much slack and parents have the responsibility to help out.0
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What exactly are our taxes covering since we also have to provide all the supplies for the classrooms? My son is now grown but I was appalled at what was we were required to provide for the classroom when he was in school.
Mostly teacher's salaries, benefits, and pensions(depending on the school. Also utilities, building maintenance, support staff, administration, etc.
Mostly administration salaries...not teachers.
And the way society is going, insurance.
I will have to check my numbers, but 80% of LAUSD's budget is teacher compensation. While admins may be paid more than teachers, I cannot imagine that line item is higher than the teacher line item.
Depends on the size of the district, and pension.0 -
I totally agree. Teachers are forced to pick up too much slack and parents have the responsibility to help out.
And don't forget, if the kid fails it's the teachers fault now......not the kid's/parents.0 -
I totally agree. Teachers are forced to pick up too much slack and parents have the responsibility to help out.
And don't forget, if the kid fails it's the teachers fault now......not the kid's/parents.
Oh you are trying to set this thread on fire now.0 -
What ever happened to the incentive of not failing them? My teachers didn't need to bribe me with candy because I knew at the end of the day it was my father I had to deal with if I failed.
Barely works. I spent high school doing just barely enough to graduate. I needed x amount of credits and x grade to pass each class and I did exactly that amount and not a stitch more.
In middle school however we got a piece of candy at the end of the week if we turned in all our homework and, since my mom actually thought an apple or raisins or carrot sticks made for a decent snack (ugh), I used to bust my butt for that candy.
Carrot sticks, by the way, are not a good snack. To this day I refuse to eat carrots. Thanks mom.0 -
I totally agree. Teachers are forced to pick up too much slack and parents have the responsibility to help out.
And don't forget, if the kid fails it's the teachers fault now......not the kid's/parents.
Oh you are trying to set this thread on fire now.
I've got an hour left of work to kill.0 -
After paying my $9k tax bill, my school supply list included... A Teacher I sent clorox wipes and a package of toilet paper.
The candy doesn't offend me too much, but I have 2 kids that are thin as rails that would rather eat cucumber than pizza. I do know they would both do hard labor for sticker.0 -
I totally agree. Teachers are forced to pick up too much slack and parents have the responsibility to help out.
And don't forget, if the kid fails it's the teachers fault now......not the kid's/parents.
I completely agree with you here, I believe it is the parents/kids fault if they fail. It is the parents responsibility to make sure the kids are doing their homework, projects, and whatever else. I make sure my kids do their best. I even go as far as to email or call the teacher just to see why my sons grades were going down or to ask their opinion on maybe why my child is struggling in a certain subject and what I can maybe do to help them do better. Once the kids here get into Jr High there are no more scheduled Parent/Teacher Conferences, you have to call and schedule it with the teacher. So if your child is having issues and you dont contact the teacher to find out what is going on.... then that is all on you as a parent.0 -
Oh. You're "that mom."
Nothing to see here and nothing to say here, other than that I feel sorry for your kid, and your kid's teachers.
What's "That Mom"????
Sad thing is, having a kid can be a total blast a great deal of the time if people would just stop freaking out about whether or not every single thing is absolutely perfect to completely ensure their child's total success. We're giving a bunch of kids anxiety issues by the time they reach second grade because...
...nevermind. People either already see what I mean or they don't. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.0 -
Here's the thing...I don't care what the reward is - be it candy, stickers or whatever...I'm hung up on the fact that kids are being rewarded for doing what they SHOULD be doing anyways.
And incentive for being good? I'm pretty sure keeping my name off of the chalkboard was incentive enough for me, cuz I knew if I got any check marks after my name (check marks were issued for each "bad" instance), there would be no recess for me. So what motivated me to behave? Wanting to spare myself from the embarassement of having to stay in at recess, or having my name on the chalkboard for the whole class to see.
Then blame parents, not teachers. When kids grow up with no limits and no consequences, a teacher cannot magically change his/her behavior and life outlook overnight. Do you actually think teachers WANT to have to bribe kids to get them to behave?
Kids who are raised with no consequences at home have very little real consequences at school. They are not embarrassed to have their name written on the board - they think it's funny and/or are proud of it. The number one threat for me as a kid was having a teacher call my mom. Nowadays, if you call a parent to report a child's misbehavior, you are almost just as likely to get chewed out by the parent for not being a "good enough" teacher to handle their brat of a child. You're pretty limited as to what you can take away at school. Rewards are a last but necessary resort, unfortunately.
Oh, I do blame the parents too, don't get me wrong. I was just floored to see that teachers have to resort to a "rewards" program just to get kids to behave. I don't pretend to have all the answers, today's society is royally messed up. I can't believe what kids are allowed to get away with these days. My biggest pet peeve is when you go to a restaurant and see kids running around and being obnoxious and the parents are just oblivious and ignore them. Unless we're sitting at Chuck E. Cheese or McDonald's, get a handle on your kid and make them behave or leave! But I digress...
For the record, I have a lot of respect for teachers. I know I couldn't do it. I don't for one second think it's an easy job. It's just unfortunate that they have to resort to rewards programs to get kids to learn.0 -
Oh. You're "that mom."
Nothing to see here and nothing to say here, other than that I feel sorry for your kid, and your kid's teachers.
What's "That Mom"????
Sad thing is, having a kid can be a total blast a great deal of the time if people would just stop freaking out about whether or not every single thing is absolutely perfect to completely ensure their child's total success. We're giving a bunch of kids anxiety issues by the time they reach second grade because...
...nevermind. People either already see what I mean or they don't. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
^excellent!0 -
IIT: A bunch of people who make me glad I'm never having kids and so won't have to deal with other parents. You can't even let kids have candy every now and then or birthday treats without people freaking out, damn. You helicopter types are why we can't have nice things.
Amen.
Amen x 2!!!
Its so funny to see all these parents freaking out haha
:drinker:
x3
It made me really sad when the district decided we couldn't have birthday treats any more. My mom used to bake a cupcake for every kid in my homeroom and the teacher and bring them in for us. We'd have a little party at lunchtime, teacher included. It was awesome.
I will say I never got candy as a school reward, though. We got fancy pens and pencils, or a gold star.0 -
As far as the candy. No not cool.
But I send my kid with the supplies on the list and we mark our name on all of it. I also include a note to the teacher that says
"These supplies are for MY kid and my kid alone. My child knows that if they run out, they are to let me know and I'll supply more. If my child is out of a particular supply needed for that day, unfortunately my child will not participate."
I refuse to pay for someone who is simply too lazy to provide their own child's school supplies, and I understand it's not your fault that the school doesn't provide teachers with the necessary tools to run the classroom, but poor planning on schools and deadbeat parent's part does not constitute a handout from my pocket"
I do feel bad for those kids that are made to walk to school with no backpack, or school supplies, dirty clothes and no food in thier tummies, I really do, but there are resources out there. We have to stop letting these parents get away with doing this to thier children.
Huh. I feel bad for those kids too, so we always buy extra school supplies with a note to the teacher that says: "These supplies are for you to add to your stash for kids who come to school in need, because we're all a part of this community and we're in this together."
But your approach is nice too. *shudder*
So glad there are some good people.0 -
Oh. You're "that mom."
Nothing to see here and nothing to say here, other than that I feel sorry for your kid, and your kid's teachers.
What's "That Mom"????
Sad thing is, having a kid can be a total blast a great deal of the time if people would just stop freaking out about whether or not every single thing is absolutely perfect to completely ensure their child's total success. We're giving a bunch of kids anxiety issues by the time they reach second grade because...
...nevermind. People either already see what I mean or they don't. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
^ Excellent definition.
The one I was using was this:
The mom who stresses every little detail, thinks sugar is going to kill her kids and finds a replacement for every treat possible (and often sends a note to birthday parties noting that little Johnny shouldn't be allowed to eat the cake), asks the pediatrician at every visit if her kid has the latest fad illness, is convinced that rough housing will result in future violent behavior, considers the educational benefit over every toy the kid has ever played with, etc. You can identify them by the eye rolling that goes on among the other parents anytime that they are present. Other indications are objections to holidays like Halloween, and buying anything to drop in kid's trick-or-treat bags but candy.
Please understand that I have friends with kids with all sorts of real afflictions and a few real allergies, and I sympathize with them, what I'm talking about is the mom who seems to always be one step away from Munchausen syndrome. Having my kid at an expensive private school for a few years means that I've met several of them. Never again.
Let kids be kids. Push them, encourage them, make sure they hear the word "no" often, get them active and into sports, hound them to brush their teeth, and for god's sake let them eat cake.0 -
What exactly are our taxes covering since we also have to provide all the supplies for the classrooms? My son is now grown but I was appalled at what was we were required to provide for the classroom when he was in school.
Mostly teacher's salaries, benefits, and pensions(depending on the school. Also utilities, building maintenance, support staff, administration, etc.
Mostly administration salaries...not teachers.
And the way society is going, insurance.
I will have to check my numbers, but 80% of LAUSD's budget is teacher compensation. While admins may be paid more than teachers, I cannot imagine that line item is higher than the teacher line item.
I would certainly hope that teachers' salaries are most of the budget, considering they are the ones who do the work! Pretty hard to have a school without them, although it seems that there is a constant effort to do just that.
As for the OP and responses, the conversation seems to be muddied a bit by the various places we are from. As a teacher in Ontario, Canada, we didn't used to send home any list. The school had a supply budget for consumables. Over the years that budget was reduced considerably and the lists started to go home. I always found that kids (gr. 7&8) showed up at the beginning of the school year with way too much stuff, much of it unnecessary. I always kept a supply of pencils and pens to lend, but required collateral so that I'd get them back, otherwise they'd more than likely be left all over the place. If I'm not mistaken, here the school board is still supposed to supply basics.
I did spend considerable amounts of my own money on classroom materials, but we weren't allowed to openly bring in cleaning supplies. I grew to love microfibre cleaning cloths! There wasn't a tax deduction for teachers until quite recently and I don't think it's worth much.0 -
What exactly are our taxes covering since we also have to provide all the supplies for the classrooms? My son is now grown but I was appalled at what was we were required to provide for the classroom when he was in school.
Mostly teacher's salaries, benefits, and pensions(depending on the school. Also utilities, building maintenance, support staff, administration, etc.
In the school district where I currently live, your taxes would go to pay for the administration's little OOPSes.
You know - "OOPS, I seem to have misplaced that 50 million dollars. Wherever could it have gone?" Or, "OOPS, we seem to be paying our superintendent double the highest salary for a superintendent in any other county in the nation! How did that happen?"
Gee, I wonder why my property taxes are going up and the teachers are still underpaid.
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Oh. You're "that mom."
Nothing to see here and nothing to say here, other than that I feel sorry for your kid, and your kid's teachers.
What's "That Mom"????
Sad thing is, having a kid can be a total blast a great deal of the time if people would just stop freaking out about whether or not every single thing is absolutely perfect to completely ensure their child's total success. We're giving a bunch of kids anxiety issues by the time they reach second grade because...
...nevermind. People either already see what I mean or they don't. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
^ Excellent definition.
The one I was using was this:
The mom who stresses every little detail, thinks sugar is going to kill her kids and finds a replacement for every treat possible (and often sends a note to birthday parties noting that little Johnny shouldn't be allowed to eat the cake), asks the pediatrician at every visit if her kid has the latest fad illness, is convinced that rough housing will result in future violent behavior, considers the educational benefit over every toy the kid has ever played with, etc. You can identify them by the eye rolling that goes on among the other parents anytime that they are present. Other indications are objections to holidays like Halloween, and buying anything to drop in kid's trick-or-treat bags but candy.
Please understand that I have friends with kids with all sorts of real afflictions and a few real allergies, and I sympathize with them, what I'm talking about is the mom who seems to always be one step away from Munchausen syndrome. Having my kid at an expensive private school for a few years means that I've met several of them. Never again.
Let kids be kids. Push them, encourage them, make sure they hear the word "no" often, get them active and into sports, hound them to brush their teeth, and for god's sake let them eat cake.
I agree with letting the kids be kids. Still think requesting candy is silly but, can't win 'em all.0 -
The mom who stresses every little detail, thinks sugar is going to kill her kids and finds a replacement for every treat possible (and often sends a note to birthday parties noting that little Johnny shouldn't be allowed to eat the cake), asks the pediatrician at every visit if her kid has the latest fad illness, is convinced that rough housing will result in future violent behavior, considers the educational benefit over every toy the kid has ever played with, etc. You can identify them by the eye rolling that goes on among the other parents anytime that they are present. Other indications are objections to holidays like Halloween, and buying anything to drop in kid's trick-or-treat bags but candy.
Please understand that I have friends with kids with all sorts of real afflictions and a few real allergies, and I sympathize with them, what I'm talking about is the mom who seems to always be one step away from Munchausen syndrome. Having my kid at an expensive private school for a few years means that I've met several of them. Never again.
Let kids be kids. Push them, encourage them, make sure they hear the word "no" often, get them active and into sports, hound them to brush their teeth, and for god's sake let them eat cake.
YES!! We experienced the same thing at a posh private preschool too. The vast majority of parents fretted like this, and were some of the most joyless people I've ever met. Your kids are lucky to have you.:flowerforyou:0 -
Oh. You're "that mom."
Nothing to see here and nothing to say here, other than that I feel sorry for your kid, and your kid's teachers.
What's "That Mom"????
Sad thing is, having a kid can be a total blast a great deal of the time if people would just stop freaking out about whether or not every single thing is absolutely perfect to completely ensure their child's total success. We're giving a bunch of kids anxiety issues by the time they reach second grade because...
...nevermind. People either already see what I mean or they don't. I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
^ Excellent definition.
The one I was using was this:
The mom who stresses every little detail, thinks sugar is going to kill her kids and finds a replacement for every treat possible (and often sends a note to birthday parties noting that little Johnny shouldn't be allowed to eat the cake), asks the pediatrician at every visit if her kid has the latest fad illness, is convinced that rough housing will result in future violent behavior, considers the educational benefit over every toy the kid has ever played with, etc. You can identify them by the eye rolling that goes on among the other parents anytime that they are present. Other indications are objections to holidays like Halloween, and buying anything to drop in kid's trick-or-treat bags but candy.
Please understand that I have friends with kids with all sorts of real afflictions and a few real allergies, and I sympathize with them, what I'm talking about is the mom who seems to always be one step away from Munchausen syndrome. Having my kid at an expensive private school for a few years means that I've met several of them. Never again.
Let kids be kids. Push them, encourage them, make sure they hear the word "no" often, get them active and into sports, hound them to brush their teeth, and for god's sake let them eat cake.
Just have my babies already.0
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