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How About We Don't Delete Newsfeeds
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@Betty I agree with @springlering62. Up until yesterday, I only had two MFP friends. By joining a community group, I no longer have control of whom I communicate with. Not enough time!
Also, I was involved in a few community discussions. But I never got notifications of new content unless I actually went to the community section. It may seem petty. But I only have so much time to devote to this resource.3 -
sunrise611 wrote: »https://www.businessofapps.com/data/myfitnesspal-statistics/
MFP has 200 million users.
If 200,000 people used the News Feed, that's 0.1% of the total users.
If only 20 million people actively use MFP (10%), and 200,000 of them use the News Feed, that's 1% of the total active users.
When moderators etc. say that relatively few people use the News Feed, this is what they mean. To you, 200,000 people might seem like a lot, but when you run the math, it's not.
And quite frankly, I'd guess it's something more like 20,000 rather than 200,000.
Registered users doesn't tell the whole story though - how many of those are active users? That's a number I'd be more interested in and then see how many of those use the newsfeed (and how they measure 'using the newsfeed')
There has been protest here, but I think it's only a fraction of the newsfeed users - many of them probably aren't aware anything is changing. The only reason I know is because I'm active on the boards - I received no email informing me and the official post here didn't even specify newsfeed were disappearing, it only mentioned how this new 'activity feed' works.
We'll see if protest changes anything, but to say the new 'activity feed' in the boards (and groups) is a valid replacement is a joke honestly, just camouflaging for something they're taking away.
I think many people still don't know yet. I found out from irate friends on here yesterday.
Same. Ironically, I only learned of the Newsfeed's impending demise from a friend's post on.... wait for it.... my Newsfeed.
Irony #2 is that there are a few people on this thread who I probably should have friended long ago but, gee, there isn't any point in doing so now.15 -
This change is a HUGE step backwards.
No single space to follow updates from all of my connections/friends, really?
No one here has one homogenous group of friends that can be lumped together in one group. And I'm certainly not going to visit each friend's individual page each day to see if they have updates.
The newsfeed, a little used feature, really? More used than the boards, I'm sure!
The boards are nearly dead as it is, removing the newsfeed is pretty much killing the remaining community part of MFP, IMHO.
Well said!
I have a small, carefully selected group of friends on here and few have any connection to one another. The newsfeed is one of the features I use daily and enjoy seeing updates of what my friends are doing. I rarely have time for the boards these days.
I was hoping for enhancements to the feed so I could finally post pics from a browser, not to see it killed off completely.
13 year DAILY member, free user. Depend on my newsfeed for friends connection. Am I of value to MFP, you bet I am. Smart advertisers want “active” member count, so my daily usage is of value as are our daily premium folks!
Why do I stay, yep friends support through my newsfeed. Public boards have their place for sure but not as a stand-alone feature for any success MFP may achieve. MFP has to make money to survive, but when you don’t listen to understand what keeps active clients in your portfolio then shame on you.
You cannot please all of us as we are very diverse in needs and wants, replace the newsfeed for technical support issues, ok BUT offer an improved option to meet your business needs but keep loyal customers. Obtaining NEW clients demands more time, effort and money, then maintaining most of your existing client base, particularly in this new ‘click’ value world. So sales and financial executives do your job!
Truly disappointed from my point of view, but as our folks use to say “when one door closes another opens”. I’m off to find the new door very soon. Good luck MFP Community, you’ve been great.
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https://www.businessofapps.com/data/myfitnesspal-statistics/
MFP has 200 million users.
If 200,000 people used the News Feed, that's 0.1% of the total users.
If only 20 million people actively use MFP (10%), and 200,000 of them use the News Feed, that's 1% of the total active users.
When moderators etc. say that relatively few people use the News Feed, this is what they mean. To you, 200,000 people might seem like a lot, but when you run the math, it's not.
And quite frankly, I'd guess it's something more like 20,000 rather than 200,000.
Sorry. Inflated number. If remotely true, the majority are bots (Remember the Russian spam/fake friend requests? ) at least I got to decide whether to accept or not. New system. Public or completely private. No filter between.
For 200 million people, im certain MFP would be inclined to fix this entire site. Otherwise they are more inept than believed.
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save the feed3
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I wouldn't know what other web page/app would have something similar to the newsfeed. I know I tried some others several years back, but between losing all my recipes, foods, and friends; I decided to stay here. The few I have checked, don't sync with fitbit in the free version, and I have no desire to pay just for that feature.3
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OK, here's an issue with moving toward "private groups". They don't seem to be so private. I joined a friend's new *private* group that she made due to losing the news feed. In it, she asked if anyone knew another member. No one did, so I did a search on MFP of the member's user name. My search yielded a number of threads the member participated in or was mentioned in...and the "private" chat thread in the supposedly "private" group was one of them. This is exactly why I don't use Community. I've searched my user name and found my posts from Community on the internet. I don't want that. I want private discussions with people I've decided are safe to associate with. The newsfeed offered that, but I can't see that anything else this site offers provides that kind of privacy.7
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OK, here's an issue with moving toward "private groups". They don't seem to be so private. I joined a friend's new *private* group that she made due to losing the news feed. In it, she asked if anyone knew another member. No one did, so I did a search on MFP of the member's user name. My search yielded a number of threads the member participated in or was mentioned in...and the "private" chat thread in the supposedly "private" group was one of them. This is exactly why I don't use Community. I've searched my user name and found my posts from Community on the internet. I don't want that. I want private discussions with people I've decided are safe to associate with. The newsfeed offered that, but I can't see that anything else this site offers provides that kind of privacy.
You could see that because you were also a member of that private group, were you not? I was also concerned about this as I belong to a few private groups but most of my friends did too. I had to go out of my way to grab one of my friends who was NOT a member of at least one of them and they could only see the groups they also belonged to. (Not that I am advocating groups instead of a newsfeed. I want our freaking newsfeed.)4 -
Hi @springlering62 Thanks for the tag and questions. We'll work on getting an informational post up. I'll do my best to answer some of your questions here.
First off the Friend's List is not impacted by Newsfeed going away. You can still add friends, as you do need to friend someone to send them a Private Message. From the Friends List you can still click on your friend's profile and find the Diary icon to access their Diary if diary sharing is enabled.
As I mentioned, I know some of the community options aren't super ideal as a Newsfeed stand in and I think there will be growing pains and learnings as y'all find what works best for you and your friend groups.
Private Messages are still very much an option for one on one communication, and Private groups are a way to communicate with a curated group of people. But yes, not everyone may want to join a group.
I'm reading all of your feedback and passing it along to the team. We'll continue to research and explore other options for the future that better support different social interaction needs.
Personally I don’t think private messaging is a great replacement for any of the social features here.
1) By its nature it is only a limited discussion.
2) The creep factor can be significant.
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Please stop replying to Machka9
Please boycott MFP on Monday, May 27 by not logging into the site or app. Please tell all your friends to do this8 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »Hi @springlering62 Thanks for the tag and questions. We'll work on getting an informational post up. I'll do my best to answer some of your questions here.
First off the Friend's List is not impacted by Newsfeed going away. You can still add friends, as you do need to friend someone to send them a Private Message. From the Friends List you can still click on your friend's profile and find the Diary icon to access their Diary if diary sharing is enabled.
As I mentioned, I know some of the community options aren't super ideal as a Newsfeed stand in and I think there will be growing pains and learnings as y'all find what works best for you and your friend groups.
Private Messages are still very much an option for one on one communication, and Private groups are a way to communicate with a curated group of people. But yes, not everyone may want to join a group.
I'm reading all of your feedback and passing it along to the team. We'll continue to research and explore other options for the future that better support different social interaction needs.
Personally I don’t think private messaging is a great replacement for any of the social features here.
1) By its nature it is only a limited discussion.
2) The creep factor can be significant.
Private messaging is not a newsfeed replacement. It’s a private conversation. Whoever at MFP conflated the two clearly doesn’t use the app.
I seldom do PMs.
You either get the chatty folks, who don’t want to end a conversation or keep hitting you up (I'm guilty, too, in fairness) or you’re only getting one person’s answer or suggestion for an issue you’re having.
Whether you’re having a problem with nighttime eating or freaking out over blowout meal, you don’t want just one persons take. You want and need a lot of varied input, so you can digest the suggestions and run from there.
That’s what the newsfeed is brilliant at.9 -
They are really shooting down the heart and soul of this place. I’ve been here 11 years and loved giving and getting support from my friends. I check this app daily in my normal life to see my friends and what they’re up to. I lost 55 pounds with the best support group of my life. I hope this sinks this buggy disaster of an app. They can’t even get custom goals right. What a joke if they think we’re here for their features 🙄.6
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springlering62 wrote: »So, we don’t “lose” our friends but now have to click them one by one by one to see what they’re up to?
And not just a single screen, but have to click through a series of screens to boot?
Who thought that was a great idea?
YES!!! totally agree Spring!!! 🌼👍🌼5 -
rileysowner wrote: »AmyDahlTorres wrote: »For people who access MyFitnessPal via computers, the newsfeed is on our HOME PAGE. It's the first thing we see. It's not another clunky click. The only reason I ever use MFP on my cell phone is to scan a UPC.
When I access MFP, I go straight into Community.
I rarely look at my Home page except when I go through to log some exercise.
Most of my access to MFP is my computer. App is for scanning bar codes as I find the app clunky.
Most of my access to MFP is also via computer. I rarely use the app.3 -
Also, I don’t log in to keep my streak going.
I log in to make sure that I
1) Don’t forget to eat (yeah. It’s a thing. And it’s not actually a good thing)
2) Keep my calories and carbs within the range needed to manage my diabetes.
Whatever else happens with this app, I will not be boycotting Monday.
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https://www.businessofapps.com/data/myfitnesspal-statistics/
MFP has 200 million users.
If 200,000 people used the News Feed, that's 0.1% of the total users.
If only 20 million people actively use MFP (10%), and 200,000 of them use the News Feed, that's 1% of the total active users.
When moderators etc. say that relatively few people use the News Feed, this is what they mean. To you, 200,000 people might seem like a lot, but when you run the math, it's not.
And quite frankly, I'd guess it's something more like 20,000 rather than 200,000.
Sorry. Inflated number. If remotely true, the majority are bots (Remember the Russian spam/fake friend requests? ) at least I got to decide whether to accept or not. New system. Public or completely private. No filter between.
For 200 million people, im certain MFP would be inclined to fix this entire site. Otherwise they are more inept than believed.
That's why I'm working with 10% of the published statistics (the 200 million is the published statistic) to weed out bots and people who have joined and left but still have a membership and suggesting that there might be 20 million active users. I doubt there would be more than 10% of the published 200 million who are active.
If you're interested in the numbers, you can google MFP stats and see what you come up with.
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sunrise611 wrote: »
And something to think about ... whatever happens with MFP is just business. It's all cost accounting.[/quote]
It's bad business, monkey business. It's a lack of technical ability that is sinking this ship. They can't afford to hire or keep good programmers so they let the functionality break and complain about maintaining legacy features. They cannot keep up with their competition and make poor decisions that piss people off. The site ran for a long time with more features that were free and now these owners can't figure out how to maintain a basic page that has worked well for so long. This is not sound business practice.
I suspect that you work for them or are an associate. I don't see anyone else defending this decision.
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No, I agree, I just didn’t want to be shot down. And no I don’t work for MFP.
Whatever I personally think about code / site changes, MFP is only in existence to make money. There is this weird preconception that companies “care” about their service users: we’re merely cash-cows to the majority of them. I have no idea of the accuracy of the stats being banded around in this discussion, but if reconfiguring the newsfeed costs £xxx and they are only going to lose £xx in revenue then it’s a business case to drop it 🤷♂️
By the way, I won’t be boycotting the site on Monday. I need to track my macros which is why I have it. Why on earth would I pay for something then choose not to use it? Personally I’m not bothered about the newsfeed but if I was, I would just find another site which delivered what I wanted and go there
MFP exists solely to make money. It isn’t interested in our views UNLESS it hits the bottom line.5 -
claireychn074 wrote: »sunrise611 wrote: »
And something to think about ... whatever happens with MFP is just business. It's all cost accounting.
It's bad business, monkey business. It's a lack of technical ability that is sinking this ship. They can't afford to hire or keep good programmers so they let the functionality break and complain about maintaining legacy features. They cannot keep up with their competition and make poor decisions that piss people off. The site ran for a long time with more features that were free and now these owners can't figure out how to maintain a basic page that has worked well for so long. This is not sound business practice.
I suspect that you work for them or are an associate. I don't see anyone else defending this decision.
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No, I agree, I just didn’t want to be shot down. And no I don’t work for MFP.
Whatever I personally think about code / site changes, MFP is only in existence to make money. There is this weird preconception that companies “care” about their service users: we’re merely cash-cows to the majority of them. I have no idea of the accuracy of the stats being banded around in this discussion, but if reconfiguring the newsfeed costs £xxx and they are only going to lose £xx in revenue then it’s a business case to drop it 🤷♂️
By the way, I won’t be boycotting the site on Monday. I need to track my macros which is why I have it. Why on earth would I pay for something then choose not to use it? Personally I’m not bothered about the newsfeed but if I was, I would just find another site which delivered what I wanted and go there
MFP exists solely to make money. It isn’t interested in our views UNLESS it hits the bottom line.[/quote]
If the people in this thread want to keep the Newsfeed, they might have success if they can put together a business case for it.
(And no, I don't work for MFP. But do have education and experience in cost accounting.)1
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