Should sugar be controlled like tobacco and alcohol
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I think stupidity should be a controlled substance. Like if you have an IQ below X it's gently less conveinent to leave your home and communicate with the outside world.
That is so true0 -
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Tobacco taxes in Canada
British Columbai which will receive $44.60 per carton in taxes with the new increase, to eventually tax cigarettes as heavily as leaders Northwest Territories and Manitoba, which both receive more than $56 per carton. Quebec and Ontario, the provinces that tax cigarettes the least, both raise less than $30 per carton in taxes. In Ontario, a pack can cost as little as $6.50.
“I appreciate that it is hard for smokers to quit,” Seely said. “But there is now a year-old B.C. smoking cessation program that provides smokers with the 1-888-QUIT line, (through) which they can receive counselling and subsidized nicotine replacement therapies.
do you post anything that isn't a cut and paste from another site?0 -
I think legitimate questions shouldn’t be made fun of. Aren’t we all here for support??
No question is a dumb question.
Less judgment, more support people.
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You're obviously new and not familiar with Minnie's crusade against sugar.
or her crusades against logic and basic science.
And no, I do not have to support bullsh*t.
Totally accurate, BUT NOT VERY NICE!0 -
I think legitimate questions shouldn’t be made fun of. Aren’t we all here for support??
No question is a dumb question.
Less judgment, more support people.
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You're obviously new and not familiar with Minnie's crusade against sugar.
or her crusades against logic and basic science.
And no, I do not have to support bullsh*t.
Yep, she spouts all kinds of crazy crap that people, (especially new to diet, exercise, getting healthy, etc) should never be exposed to!0 -
No, just no, and while we're at it, the government shouldn't be in the business of controlling peoples choices. So long as your choices don't adversely, and directly affect another individual, the government should have NO say in what you do. If you want to freebase opium, I say go nuts.
Rigger
The thing is, you don't live on some tiny little island by yourself. If you eat too much sugar, and end up immobile, odds are you;'re gonna go on medicare or Medicaid. The rest of us pay for that. If you smoke opium, fall asleep driving, and crash into a schoolbus, the rest of us could lose our kids.
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I agree the original article is absurd, and regulating sugar isn't the answer. But I think the libertarian "my body my business" argument needs to acknowledge that there is a point where your choices affect the rest of us.
I suppose then the only sure fire answer is to lock everyone in a cage by themselves. Why should others be responsible for my healthcare? I'm also pretty sure that accidents still happen even when people are not intoxicated. I have been in half a dozen or so accidents, none of them my fault, and in none was someone under the influence of anything, so that argument is moot. The point where my choices affect someone else is very narrow (if I kill or injure someone, if I steal someone's property, or if I damage their property) that's it, outside of that, government should literally do nothing with regard to my life.
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In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women!
Why'd you have to go and post my foolproof plan?0 -
The problem is over population, which is leading to an exponentially larger number of stupid people in the world who use zero common sense and don't take any accountability for what they do/consume. The obesity pandemic is just evolution at work. Somehow I managed to get un-obese with sugar being a readily available and uncontrolled substance.
I put down the 32 oz big gulps and started getting my nutrition and fitness on...it was pretty easy and mostly a lot of common sense changes that did it for me.
Survival of the fittest, the clean eaters will survive and the obese will fall away.
so let me see... either you eat "clean" or you are obese. there is no middle ground?
It's true! Look at me. I never eat clean, and I am obese. My BMI told me so.0 -
I'm rarely for more government intervention in people's lives, but I would say that controlling the number of calories a person is allowed to consume a day will be far more effective.
ooo..I know...we can put a chip in everyone's head and if you eat more than your alloted calories, it blows up. Anything short of that is meaningless.
how about the government just rations food. let's let some nameless, faceless bureaucrat decide how many calories each specific family is allowed. hopefully, if you don't piss anyone off and aren't labeled an enemy of the state, they'll give you just enough to survive. and those hours spent waiting in lines for the food will help you conserve your energy. i mean, this worked so well in the USSR, i'm sure it could work here...
Shhh. Nobody remembers the Soviets anymore.0 -
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May God rest her soul.0 -
I stopped reading at "Lustig."
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I think stupidity should be a controlled substance. Like if you have an IQ below X it's gently less conveinent to leave your home and communicate with the outside world.
QFT. Period.0 -
Even if the government wanted to they can't. Do you know how many industries are fueled by sugar?0
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So they start with regulating sugar, then potato chips, then cheese and pasta and freaking avocados because they're VERY high in calories for a fruit/vegetable.
The people who are eating so much they're immobile have serious problems with food in general. I bet some of them get that way who don't like sweet things at all.No, just no, and while we're at it, the government shouldn't be in the business of controlling peoples choices. So long as your choices don't adversely, and directly affect another individual, the government should have NO say in what you do. If you want to freebase opium, I say go nuts.
Rigger
The thing is, you don't live on some tiny little island by yourself. If you eat too much sugar, and end up immobile, odds are you;'re gonna go on medicare or Medicaid. The rest of us pay for that. If you smoke opium, fall asleep driving, and crash into a schoolbus, the rest of us could lose our kids.
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I agree the original article is absurd, and regulating sugar isn't the answer. But I think the libertarian "my body my business" argument needs to acknowledge that there is a point where your choices affect the rest of us.
Sorry, not quite getting your point. I agree not everyone with a weight-related health problem has an issue with sugar specifically. But saying "it's not the government's business to control my choices" ignores the fact the government -- meaning the rest of us -- ends up paying for it if your poor choices make you sick.
Actually, it's an argument for taxing junk food more than anything else...
Where do you stop?
Ban sugar or tax it or put an age limit on it, there will still be just as many obese people because SUGAR DOESN'T CAUSE OBESITY!!!!0 -
^^^ this0 -
BAN ALL THE FOODZ!0
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The AMA just declared obesity a disease a month ago. You can tin hat me all you want, it's all money.
None left in bashing tobacco.
Big food is the baddy now0 -
Maybe we could create a sugar exchange system, like they do with carbon?
If I buy meat for 10 people in a third world country I can earn sugar credits for my own use.
Call them, "Protein offsets."0 -
Any food bought with food stamps(ie other people's money), should be somewhat healthy. Other than that, no regs please.0
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No, just no, and while we're at it, the government shouldn't be in the business of controlling peoples choices. So long as your choices don't adversely, and directly affect another individual, the government should have NO say in what you do. If you want to freebase opium, I say go nuts.
Rigger
The thing is, you don't live on some tiny little island by yourself. If you eat too much sugar, and end up immobile, odds are you;'re gonna go on medicare or Medicaid. The rest of us pay for that. If you smoke opium, fall asleep driving, and crash into a schoolbus, the rest of us could lose our kids.
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I agree the original article is absurd, and regulating sugar isn't the answer. But I think the libertarian "my body my business" argument needs to acknowledge that there is a point where your choices affect the rest of us.
So when the obese drain medicare or Medicaid with their multiple ailments and the rest of us pay for that with higher taxes, it is on our dime, shouldn't it make sense we are taxing the products that impact health care. Look at what they have done to tobacco, taxed it and taxed it and taxed it again.
Maybe they should just kick the obese to the curb after all they didn't take responsibilty for getting themselves fat. They don't get free medical at someone else's expense, they are disqualified.
Meantime me and my buddy should be getting discount airfares for the weight we have lost and the other guy who is doing nothing about his weight should be paying more to fly. It cost all that much more in fuel to fly the obese guys. They are not very enviromentally friendly and I don't feel that I have to subsidize their travel.0 -
The AMA just declared obesity a disease a month ago. You can tin hat me all you want, it's all money.
None left in bashing tobacco.
Big food is the baddy now0 -
The AMA just declared obesity a disease a month ago. You can tin hat me all you want, it's all money.
None left in bashing tobacco.
Big food is the baddy now
Um..you just going to repost that every six or seven hours and keep hoping someone bites, or what?0 -
The AMA just declared obesity a disease a month ago. You can tin hat me all you want, it's all money.
None left in bashing tobacco.
Big food is the baddy now
Um..you just going to repost that every six or seven hours and keep hoping someone bites, or what?
Yeah. I'm confused as well as to why you'd keep reposting the same thing.0 -
I think limiting the amount of rubbish/sugar in fast food is an idea that has potential. Just like, guidelines that fast food places have to stick to.
I know everyone is like 'lol just limit your portions, its all great' but thats the damned problem. people are no good at limiting their intake, they don't know how much they're consuming or they just don't care. All those smug people calling everyone else idiots -- why are you here, on a weight-loss forum? Is it perhaps because you got fat from eating too much rubbish food? It's so easy to just post snide gifs and one-liners and act like you're above it all. Like you were never one of those idiotic sheep who couldn't control themselves.0 -
I think limiting the amount of rubbish/sugar in fast food is an idea that has potential. Just like, guidelines that fast food places have to stick to.
I know everyone is like 'lol just limit your portions, its all great' but thats the damned problem. people are no good at limiting their intake, they don't know how much they're consuming or they just don't care. All those smug people calling everyone else idiots -- why are you here, on a weight-loss forum? Is it perhaps because you got fat from eating too much rubbish food? It's so easy to just post snide gifs and one-liners and act like you're above it all. Like you were never one of those idiotic sheep who couldn't control themselves.
I got fat by overeating and drinking a few litres of Mountain Dew per day. It wasn't that I couldn't control myself, it is that I didn't try.0 -
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I think limiting the amount of rubbish/sugar in fast food is an idea that has potential. Just like, guidelines that fast food places have to stick to.
I know everyone is like 'lol just limit your portions, its all great' but thats the damned problem. people are no good at limiting their intake, they don't know how much they're consuming or they just don't care. All those smug people calling everyone else idiots -- why are you here, on a weight-loss forum? Is it perhaps because you got fat from eating too much rubbish food? It's so easy to just post snide gifs and one-liners and act like you're above it all. Like you were never one of those idiotic sheep who couldn't control themselves.
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2. you should read this: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1042954-moderation-is-a-basic-life-skill
3. Not everyone on this site is overweight, or used to be overweight. Just fyi.0 -
I think limiting the amount of rubbish/sugar in fast food is an idea that has potential. Just like, guidelines that fast food places have to stick to.
I know everyone is like 'lol just limit your portions, its all great' but thats the damned problem. people are no good at limiting their intake, they don't know how much they're consuming or they just don't care. All those smug people calling everyone else idiots -- why are you here, on a weight-loss forum? Is it perhaps because you got fat from eating too much rubbish food? It's so easy to just post snide gifs and one-liners and act like you're above it all. Like you were never one of those idiotic sheep who couldn't control themselves.
Wow. I'm a stress/bored and emotional overeater and so yes, I have issues controlling myself but I never thought of myself as an idiotic sheep.
And yet, with little steps and learning not to label foods bad or demonize them, I'm able to have what you call "rubbish" now and again in moderation.
Willpower is like training for a run or lifting. The more you "exercise it", the more you get and the better you have at using it.0 -
No...just.... no.0
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