All calories are not the same

aliciap412

have you ever eaten raw, unground wheat right after you pick it?

ThickMcRunFast

If pizza is wrong*, I'm ok with not being right.




*psst- its not wrong!

aliciap412

humans were killing chickens and eating them prior to the agricultural revolution

just a thought

But an animal still has to be processed. We're not like cats who just eat the animal whole.

you don't need specialized workers and advanced tools to cut up a chicken and cook it. unless you're special in some way lol

specialized tools like fire for cooking, or a knife? Or do you mean specialized tools like a grinding wheel for grain?

Or heat for pasteurization of milk?

I was suggesting #2 or #3, just considering that maybe this is what the OP meant since he's abandoned the thread. I don't really know what he was going for with this so I'm just throwing ideas out.

thesupremeforce

have you ever eaten raw, unground wheat right after you pick it?

Nope. Haven't eaten raw, unplucked chicken right after killing it either.

NoAdditives

well, most fat people are not binging or craving chicken or quinoa. I have never heard anyone say they are binging on baby spinach. They may have the same energy value, they are far from the same. Sugar and highly processed foods lead to blood sugar dips and highs which lead to being hungrier. Timex and Rolex are technically both watches , but the quality is very different.
The people arguing they are the same, want to justify their treats. If you want pop tarts that is your choice, do not try to say the nutritional value or lack thereof does not matter. It does. be accountable.

No. No one here is arguing that nutritional content isn't important. People here are arguing the OP's statement that calories are not equal, which is not true. A calorie is a unit of measurement, and as such, a calorie of sugar has the same amount of energy as a calorie of protein, just a pound of dirt weighs the same as a pound of feathers.

BeachIron

have you ever eaten raw, unground wheat right after you pick it?

Have you ever eaten raw, unplucked chicken right after you killed it?

aliciap412

have you ever eaten raw, unground wheat right after you pick it?

Have you ever eaten raw, unplucked chicken right after you killed it?

no but you really don't need advanced tools that were developed during the agricultural revolution in order to do that, now do you?

PikaKnight

most pizza unless homemade is not just toamtoes and cheese lol. If you think so you are deluded. Pizza chains use hfcs and all kinds of chemicals to keep the ingredients stable. Pizza hut dough is premade and spread with all kinds of butter oil, especially the pan pizza, ever see the grease film (yellow) on your hands? Do not try to say frankenfood is just innocent tomatoes and hey what's wrong with that? LOL

What's wrong with butter now?

JakiDee

Nuff said.

ThickMcRunFast

have you ever eaten raw, unground wheat right after you pick it?

Have you ever eaten raw, unplucked chicken right after you killed it?

no but you really don't need advanced tools that were developed during the agricultural revolution in order to do that, now do you?

you need two stones to mill wheat. That and hands.

NoAdditives

have you ever eaten raw, unground wheat right after you pick it?

Have you ever eaten raw, unplucked chicken right after you killed it?

no but you really don't need advanced tools that were developed during the agricultural revolution in order to do that, now do you?

You know that "agricultural revolution" was the Neolithic era, right? While people were far more advanced at that point than most people understand, their tools were not all that advanced.

BeachIron

have you ever eaten raw, unground wheat right after you pick it?

Have you ever eaten raw, unplucked chicken right after you killed it?

no but you really don't need advanced tools that were developed during the agricultural revolution in order to do that, now do you?

Is there a point? Is there are significance to the agricultural revolution in terms of health . . . I mean other than in terms of starvation and creation of society?

aliciap412

you need two stones to mill wheat. That and hands.

by that definition, its man made then?

PikaKnight

have you ever eaten raw, unground wheat right after you pick it?

Have you ever eaten raw, unplucked chicken right after you killed it?

no but you really don't need advanced tools that were developed during the agricultural revolution in order to do that, now do you?

I would prefer to use tools that allow for the testing of chickens and such to ensure I'm not cooking tainted food...but that's just me.

And what's wrong with using tools? Are you going to shame the gorillas and crows for using "tools" to get their food?

ThickMcRunFast

you need two stones to mill wheat. That and hands.

by that definition, its man made then?

If a banana is man-made because you have to pick it and peel it, sure.

NoAdditives

you need two stones to mill wheat. That and hands.

by that definition, its man made then?

And so is a cooked chicken breast?

aliciap412

I'm simply attempting to brainstorm what the OP meant by man made when comparing pizza and chicken. I thought he may mean the creation of wheat. feel free to disagree and throw out other possibilities.

aliciap412

And so is a cooked chicken breast?

meat needs to be cooked but is still considered a whole food

plants aren't considered whole foods unless you can pick them up and eat them without needing to manipulate them

I apologize, I assumed this concept was understood by all before posting

NoAdditives

I'm simply attempting to brainstorm what the OP meant by man made when comparing pizza and chicken. I thought he may mean the creation of wheat. feel free to disagree and throw out other possibilities.

I think it's a moot point since the OP isn't participating in the discussion.

BeachIron

And so is a cooked chicken breast?

meat needs to be cooked but is still considered a whole food

plants aren't considered whole foods unless you can pick them up and eat them without needing to manipulate them

I apologize, I assumed this concept was understood by all before posting

You're missing how arbitrary your concept actually is.