Do young adults in the UK not want to work?
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I am very fortunate in that I have a business that is relatively successful in the UK
This last few weeks I have been holding interviews to fill a position..the wage is only slightly above minimum wage, but, it is a little above.
I am looking to train this person up into a better skill.
I have not been looking for a rocket scientist or brain surgeon, just someone that would seem to have reliability and some work ethic.
5 people never bothered to turn up for the interviews...3 were late... 1 had the mother phone up to make an excuse.. a few people turned up wearing jeans....2 people actually told me they had to come for the interviews or they would lose their entitlement to social security benefits...
I was hoping to try to help someone from benefits into the workplace. Is it that young adults do not want to work?
It must just be the type of job you're offering that attracts that particular type of person. Or the area it's based.
And I think it's a horrible generalisation you just used there and you should therefore be ashamed of yourself. Theres plenty of us people who want to work, and indeed are working.
Really so, it is an employer that is offering a wage, ongoing training that is at fault?
I should be at fault for the area of work or the area that someone lives? I should be ashamed for trying to offer some one work??
I wish some one could explain this to me?
My god, your attitude does not do you any favours.
Employees aren't fault-less and neither are employers.
Social factors out with everyone's control can affect such situations - where a person lives can, generally, relate to the education they recieved, the morals and ethics they have etc.0 -
I am very fortunate in that I have a business that is relatively successful in the UK
This last few weeks I have been holding interviews to fill a position..the wage is only slightly above minimum wage, but, it is a little above.
I am looking to train this person up into a better skill.
I have not been looking for a rocket scientist or brain surgeon, just someone that would seem to have reliability and some work ethic.
5 people never bothered to turn up for the interviews...3 were late... 1 had the mother phone up to make an excuse.. a few people turned up wearing jeans....2 people actually told me they had to come for the interviews or they would lose their entitlement to social security benefits...
I was hoping to try to help someone from benefits into the workplace. Is it that young adults do not want to work?
It must just be the type of job you're offering that attracts that particular type of person. Or the area it's based.
And I think it's a horrible generalisation you just used there and you should therefore be ashamed of yourself. Theres plenty of us people who want to work, and indeed are working.
Really so, it is an employer that is offering a wage, ongoing training that is at fault?
I should be at fault for the area of work or the area that someone lives? I should be ashamed for trying to offer some one work??
I wish some one could explain this to me?
No, I said you should be ashamed if yourself for stereotyping all youngsters. Please don't twist the words I've typed.
If you had taken the time to read through the whole thread then you would see that I have supported young people or those parents with young people.
Which takes me back to the whole topic...do your homework, before you answer.
ETA those that try to work in some form or another0 -
With all due respect, OP, have you considered that's in not "work in general" that they are rejecting, but simply THIS JOB that you are trying to fill? Perhaps your disgust and revulsion with their generation was apparent to them in your tone when you were communicating with them to set up the interviews? Perhaps your demeanor was oppressive enough to them to change their mind about wanting to come and be a part of that environment for any cost?
I'm really not trying to insult you, and I apologize if you take offense. But a lot of times people with jobs to offer put across the idea that they are doing the worker a huge favor by ALLOWING them to come and work for **** wages in a job they hate for someone who doesn't understand how to treat subordinates with care and respect. Sometimes that attitude of "I'm doing you a favor merely by hiring you" comes across in the first exchange or two and prospective hires figure, "Why bother?" As if the wages and stress weren't hard enough, why add a boss who is demeaning and considers themselves a benefactor to the list of job stresses?
You can get a bunch more people to show up in full regalia if the wages and benefits are high enough to offset the BS potential, but if a person is facing low wages AND being treated poorly, they often won't feel like the situation is tenable.
The comments made on this string alone seem sort of innocuous if you were talking to a roomful of people who were none affected by your judgements, but when the same attitude is conveyed toward the subjects of your disdain, they might simply be exercising their freedom to choose a job working for someone who gives them the respect and dignity they deserve.
And sometimes, people's lives get in the way. You don't know how many of those people had problems that landed them in the hospital, or their phones got cut off or their boyfriend beat them up. You have no idea and no apparent interest in considering other factors. You might say, "But for so many? That's too much of a coincidence!" And I would agree with you.
There's obviously something more going on. And it's not just fate that so many would apply for a job and then not show up after the initial communication with the new boss. Maybe ... ?0 -
Well, what's the job? I'm earnestly looking and have been for a couple of years, and have avoided claiming any benefits out of principle as I don't *need* them to survive.0
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Hmm yep what is the right way? Because I really want to know how to advertise/interview in the right way
To put it in context the organisation I'm in deals with several hundred 16-35 yo per week at various stages in preparation. Main things that I'd be asking are:
What does the job involve? If you're paying minimum wage that really baselines it as casual retail, entry level coffee shop or perhaps cleaning. If you're offering something different then you might think about whether you're positioning your offer appropriately.
Does the package actually make it worthwhile financially? I noted in a previous response that minimum wage really doesn't stack up financially if your'e offering anything much under full time hours.
You talk about training, is this just to do the job or are you actually offering to formally train the individual? If the training isn't essentially formally recognised then it's not part of the package. Anyone taking training as part of the package will expect to see something in it for them; NVQ all the way up to a vocational Masters.
How does what you're offering compare to peers, if someone was to go to a competitor for a similar role what would they expect to receive in their package?
When you're talking "young adult" I'd assume you mean 17-20 age range. Interviewing in that range is quite challenging, frequently they don't have any clue how to sell themselves, and they have a limited range of marketable achievements to discuss. Effective interviewing actually involves spending some time drawing out what's important.
Recently I've been doing a reasonable amount of coaching of middle aged career changers, most of whom are struggling to identify their achievements and how to pick out talking points, or to answer questions. People who have had a considerable degree of responsibility that struggle to tell me what they're good at, and then provide me with some evidence to back up their claims. It's a big ask to expect the vast majority of young adults to do that with no experience.
And I have little sympathy for some mythical former era where we're got the school leaving equivalent of the Pythons four Yorkshiremen0 -
I think many unemployed persons want to find a job that they "like" and that is "fun". They are kind of missing the point that this isn't the primary purpose of working.
My sister is 45 and had this attitude. She's still looking. I get very cross about it you have such a circular argument with people with this sense of entitlement.
I would take it from the OP comments, if people didn't bother to show up, they also didn't bother to have the manners to contact her to reschedule. If they had a decent excuse they would have done that. So not bothering is, well , not bothering. There are not many things (well maybe a death in the family) that are good enough excuses to not go to a job interview.
So your opinion is that people just need to do something they hate for majority of there time, just to struggle to have a place to sleep, and eat so they can wake up the next day and do the same thing they hate? Meanwhile the persons they work for have risen above that struggle by having others do the hated work for them?
Yes. It's called working your way up.
Unfortunatlly it is near impossible to work your way up for the average human. Evidence in how many "poor" people there are to those in "middle class" and "rich". When humans make a decision they weight the risk vs reward of the situation. If the job you are looking at acomplishing provides to much risk and little reward then you will choose not to take that job, if you do you are unhappy about doing it. If you spend 32hours + working and can only afford part of the security needed (food, water, airable land, shelter, entertainment, health, retirment) then the risk is already to high and you will be unhappy. I know what your thinking, it is better to work and afford food and shelter at least to stay alive... and be miserable, and build frustrations that you take out on your family, loved ones.
No actually what I was thinking is "life's what you make it". My dad was a lorry driver and my mum a factory worker. We were poor. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I did some seriously **** jobs to save money so I could go to University. I worked throughout University so I could pay for my accommodation. I made some debts on the way and took a while to pay them off. Now I have a decent job and a good income, but I WORKED for that.0 -
What smart little buggars just go go an interview and get to continue living off the system. I might not have been as blatant about telling you why I was there. Instead, I might have been totally inappropriate told you how much I love to sit down and watch TV, or my weakness was I really hate customers.
We are the dumb idiots for working our butts off. Everyday we go to work, put up with crap all day, pay into a system, and get nothing back while the smart ones know how to get milk from the teat of the country until that b-tch is dry. Bravo to them for figuring it out. The rest of us our suckers.0 -
I am a Gen Y'er and I agree completely that many in my generation have a sense of entitlement and oftentimes lack in responsibility.
Unlike many of my peers, I went straight from highschool to the workforce. I have held crappy, fast food jobs, but my attitude has always been to work hard and learn whatever positive lessons I can from each job I have held. Eventually I started working in a factory for slightly more money and good benefits. I continued to have a good attitude and work hard in each task I was given. I had several departments that were trying to get me to make a lateral move and work for them. Eventually, I applied for a much better position in California, that I had zero experience for, nailed the interview, and was heavily recommended for by my supervisor, HR director, and plant manager. I tripled my income after only 15 months after starting.
I was 23 at the time and all of my friends were either in college, dropped out of college, and focused on partying while living with their parents. None had fulltime employment. That didnt change until last year, when FINALLY everyone seems focused on the future and are starting out where I was 6 years ago.0 -
What smart little buggars just go go an interview and get to continue living off the system. I might not have been as blatant about telling you why I was there. Instead, I might have been totally inappropriate told you how much I love to sit down and watch TV, or my weakness was I really hate customers.
We are the dumb idiots for working our butts off. Everyday we go to work, put up with crap all day, pay into a system, and get nothing back while the smart ones know how to get milk from the teat of the country until that b-tch is dry. Bravo to them for figuring it out. The rest of us our suckers.
I get tons back from my hardwork. Not only monetary gains, but I also have a lot of pride in myself for KNOWING that I am a hard, competent worker.0 -
We are the dumb idiots for working our butts off. Everyday we go to work, put up with crap all day, pay into a system, and get nothing back while the smart ones know how to get milk from the teat of the country until that b-tch is dry. Bravo to them for figuring it out. The rest of us our suckers.
Yup. Thanks <insert favorite government figure of scorn>.0 -
I am very fortunate in that I have a business that is relatively successful in the UK
This last few weeks I have been holding interviews to fill a position..the wage is only slightly above minimum wage, but, it is a little above.
I am looking to train this person up into a better skill.
I have not been looking for a rocket scientist or brain surgeon, just someone that would seem to have reliability and some work ethic.
5 people never bothered to turn up for the interviews...3 were late... 1 had the mother phone up to make an excuse.. a few people turned up wearing jeans....2 people actually told me they had to come for the interviews or they would lose their entitlement to social security benefits...
I was hoping to try to help someone from benefits into the workplace. Is it that young adults do not want to work?
Well I live in the UK and i'm 20, been technically unemployed for a year. Had 3 interviews, no success. Spend at least an hour every day job searching, hand my CV's out in person, in work clothes, as often as possible. Willing to adapt, be trained and relocate, etc.
I think the problem is people get an idea in their head of what the average young unemployed person is, and assume the majority is just like them. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of kids that are more than happy to sit around doing nothing and spending their benefit money on nights out and takeaways... but I give every penny to my Dad for rent, and continue to try my hardest to find employment.
Some of us are just highly unfortunate.0 -
I think a lot of people assume you need a degree in order to succeed, schools preach that university is the way forward.
1. Going straight to a University is in a lot of cases not the best way to obtain a degree
2. A degree in some fields, for example, the IT industry, only proves really that you have a degree of intelligence, as it is out of date in a matter of years. However, you can prove intelligence in other ways.0 -
I think many unemployed persons want to find a job that they "like" and that is "fun". They are kind of missing the point that this isn't the primary purpose of working.
My sister is 45 and had this attitude. She's still looking. I get very cross about it you have such a circular argument with people with this sense of entitlement.
I would take it from the OP comments, if people didn't bother to show up, they also didn't bother to have the manners to contact her to reschedule. If they had a decent excuse they would have done that. So not bothering is, well , not bothering. There are not many things (well maybe a death in the family) that are good enough excuses to not go to a job interview.
So your opinion is that people just need to do something they hate for majority of there time, just to struggle to have a place to sleep, and eat so they can wake up the next day and do the same thing they hate? Meanwhile the persons they work for have risen above that struggle by having others do the hated work for them?
Yes. It's called working your way up.
Unfortunatlly it is near impossible to work your way up for the average human. Evidence in how many "poor" people there are to those in "middle class" and "rich". When humans make a decision they weight the risk vs reward of the situation. If the job you are looking at acomplishing provides to much risk and little reward then you will choose not to take that job, if you do you are unhappy about doing it. If you spend 32hours + working and can only afford part of the security needed (food, water, airable land, shelter, entertainment, health, retirment) then the risk is already to high and you will be unhappy. I know what your thinking, it is better to work and afford food and shelter at least to stay alive... and be miserable, and build frustrations that you take out on your family, loved ones.
No actually what I was thinking is "life's what you make it". My dad was a lorry driver and my mum a factory worker. We were poor. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I did some seriously **** jobs to save money so I could go to University. I worked throughout University so I could pay for my accommodation. I made some debts on the way and took a while to pay them off. Now I have a decent job and a good income, but I WORKED for that.
"Working your way up" and life being "what you make it" are two entierely different concepts.
It is very easy to take control of your life and attempt to get to where you are happy, but that does not mean you will ever work your way up.
Take my work for example - a boy in my year left school at 16, very smart but did not gain many qualifications and no higher/further education. He got a job with the Civil Service and he does enough to keep his job past probation and ensure that he has good holidays, pension scheme, is used as a floor walker and training helper etc. He can afford his car, rent, utilities etc. however, he will never progress to manager level - there isn't that oppertunity because the Civil Service is being cut by thousands in the next two years.
Making a comfortable life for yourself, doesn't mean you have career ladder progression.0 -
I don't know anyone who" wants" to work.0
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:laugh:
There are only a few " jobs" worth doingI don't know anyone who" wants" to work.0 -
I had the same issue! I just filled a position where the new hire started today! I actually had an applicant I offered the job to turn it down because it "sounds too much like work"! Really?!! Friggin' ridiculous! And I'm in the states so it's not a UK only problem - it's the entitlement generation!0
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That's actually pretty sad when you think about it. Hell if I ever decide to move on over to the UK i'll be sure to hit you up! Lol. I could use a steady income.0
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Here in the United States the jobs that are lacking people intrested are Blue Collar job such as plumbers, mechanics, etc. A good trade school, not a degress is sometimes the ticket to a good and dependable job. However our younger generation has been hand fed the mentallity that what I want I get. Dont know the answer for that one0
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Lol
INb4sweepinggeneralizationsaboutanentiregeneration
OH, wait...0 -
Why would it not be acceptable to wear jeans to an interview for a slightly above minimum wage job?0
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Lol
INb4sweepinggeneralizationsaboutanentiregeneration
OH, wait...
Stop being lazy and entitled.
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That's what I'm wondering. If you're not going to pay living wage, people aren't going to want it like their lives depend on it. Yeah, they could have been more professional but your job doesn't sound like the most prestigious place to work, either.Why would it not be acceptable to wear jeans to an interview for a slightly above minimum wage job?0 -
What smart little buggars just go go an interview and get to continue living off the system. I might not have been as blatant about telling you why I was there. Instead, I might have been totally inappropriate told you how much I love to sit down and watch TV, or my weakness was I really hate customers.
We are the dumb idiots for working our butts off. Everyday we go to work, put up with crap all day, pay into a system, and get nothing back while the smart ones know how to get milk from the teat of the country until that b-tch is dry. Bravo to them for figuring it out. The rest of us our suckers.
I get tons back from my hardwork. Not only monetary gains, but I also have a lot of pride in myself for KNOWING that I am a hard, competent worker.
Pride maybe, but you should feel angry when (I assume) legitimately healthy adults are getting more out of the system than you are despite the fact you pay more into it. Early 30's? how much have you paid into SSI and medicare? How much do you think you will get back?
PS-know OP is referring to UK, but this exact scenario is what I've encountered in the states. Although for me it was all age groups.0 -
What smart little buggars just go go an interview and get to continue living off the system. I might not have been as blatant about telling you why I was there. Instead, I might have been totally inappropriate told you how much I love to sit down and watch TV, or my weakness was I really hate customers.
We are the dumb idiots for working our butts off. Everyday we go to work, put up with crap all day, pay into a system, and get nothing back while the smart ones know how to get milk from the teat of the country until that b-tch is dry. Bravo to them for figuring it out. The rest of us our suckers.
I get tons back from my hardwork. Not only monetary gains, but I also have a lot of pride in myself for KNOWING that I am a hard, competent worker.
Pride maybe, but you should feel angry when (I assume) legitimately healthy adults are getting more out of the system than you are despite the fact you pay more into it. Early 30's? how much have you paid into SSI and medicare? How much do you think you will get back?
Late 20's. And I have paid in quite a bit and never expect to see it back. I am not angry that others get "more" outnof the system than me, I am angry that I have to pay into the system at all. But that is another thread.0 -
Lol
INb4sweepinggeneralizationsaboutanentiregeneration
OH, wait...
Stop being lazy and entitled.
Yep. Given the choice between (a) perhaps I should offer better pay to attract better qualified and more eager applicants, and (b) an entire generation is a bunch of lazy, good-for-nothing hooligans, the OP has chosen (b). I don't think this bodes well for the future of employer/employee relationships at a certain company in the UK . . .0 -
Lol
INb4sweepinggeneralizationsaboutanentiregeneration
OH, wait...
Stop being lazy and entitled.
Yep. Given the choice between (a) perhaps I should offer better pay to attract better qualified and more eager applicants, and (b) an entire generation is a bunch of lazy, good-for-nothing hooligans, the OP has chosen (b). I don't think this bodes well for the future of employer/employee relationships at a certain company in the UK . . .
It is a good study on the market needing to adjust, that is for sure. If you cannot find quality people at a certain wage, then you need to increase the wage to open yourself up to a broader spectrum of applicants.
And "advancement opportunities" really is a thing to be skeptical about, because some places use that as a draw to bring in motivated people they never really intend to advance.0 -
What I learned starting at 16 when looking for jobs...
1. Spell correctly
2. Present all experiences in a positive light (even the negative jobs and the *kitten* bosses)
3. Dress correctly. These are acceptable for entry level jobs nice slacks and buttoned or polo shirt for men, a below the knee dress or skirt for women or nice slacks with a understated blouse. Upper level dress for the job.
4. Smile and if you can make the interviewer laugh or share some empathy you might just land the job.
5. There is no such thing as a bad interview. Every interview teaches you something for the next interview. Learn from it all.
6. Plaster the town with your resume (or internet now day)
7. Have all your information ready when filling out applications (work history, references, education ect.)
8. WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE CRAPPY JOBS!
9. Crappy jobs build experience
10. Each experience builds onto the next job where you can climb higher.
11. Education is the key if you want the real doors to open
12. Paper gets you the interview, and experience is what gets you the job
13. Dont burn bridges (I know this sometimes has to happen, but the more bridges and connections you have the better)
14. Remember everyone you work with is a future job reference
15. Play the stupid game
16. If you hate the game, play the stupid game
17. It's just work
18. Do your job
19. Show up and show up on time (no extra interview points for showing up more than 10minutes early)
20. Relax, but show your future employer how enthusiastic you are to be working for them0 -
And I think it's a horrible generalisation you just used there and you should therefore be ashamed of yourself. Theres plenty of us people who want to work, and indeed are working.
A generalisation it may be, but when in the UK you have organisations that represent business telling Government that what they're seeing on the ground is youngsters coming out of school and university even with chronic literacy and numeracy then that's a widespread problem. When they're telling Government that the educational system is turning out young people who simply aren't equipped with the basic skills to hold down a job then there's a big bloody issue.
The posts I hire for are graduate ones that start at the national average wage. The calibre of the average graduate I see is poor unfortunately. Many aren't articulate. Many haven't done even the most rudimentary research on the company. As said, written skills are often poor (and I test them in that area) and stress seems to factor highly - one found the interview too stressful and one we employed left after a couple of months citing stress because they found the job too difficult. The best ones I've taken on we're actually wiley kids with no degree but plenty of street smarts and who had a clearly demonstrated history of getting off thei backsides to make some opportunities for themselves.
In the UK at least there is a BIG problem in state schools with the way we're preparing kids for life. There seems to be no element of competition, an 'everyone's a winner' attitude and qualifications that rest so heavily on coursework (to avoid the 'stress') of exams that an A grade at GCSE has become meaningless to employers because everyone and his dog has them. If I had a child you can bet your backside I'd be sending them to private school where competition still thrives and they turn them out with far more life skills and job readiness.0 -
This should be in a Generalization group
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Unfortunatlly it is near impossible to work your way up for the average human. Evidence in how many "poor" people there are to those in "middle class" and "rich". When humans make a decision they weight the risk vs reward of the situation. If the job you are looking at acomplishing provides to much risk and little reward then you will choose not to take that job, if you do you are unhappy about doing it. If you spend 32hours + working and can only afford part of the security needed (food, water, airable land, shelter, entertainment, health, retirment) then the risk is already to high and you will be unhappy. I know what your thinking, it is better to work and afford food and shelter at least to stay alive... and be miserable, and build frustrations that you take out on your family, loved ones.
incorrect talking points based on no data. you can not make any inference to job mobility or working the way up by looking at statistics that only show percentage of population in each income group. that says nothing about the individuals therein and mobility. people do not stay in the same income groups...even if average income never changes or even decreases
job mobility in the US at least is very high. Google the mobility statistics. looking at at statistics for income as data without a time element is meaningless. the majority of people defined as poor are no longer in that classification 8 years later. and alarge part of the top 10% moves to the median 8 years later. the middle class is even more fluid
So the 99% movment and the wide disparity gap between rich and poor is the data. The fact that most of the world is poor, if you just take the USA most of the population is considered poor. They talk about how the middle class has been declining because of this recession. Middle class is just another way of saying these people make enough money to provide there securities in life and buy crap that is not needed to fuel the economy.
Poor don't really add to the economy because they do not have money to buy useless crap, they are to busy spending it on trying to have a place to sleep. Its not enough so they take advantage of food stamp programs to feed themselves and still cannot afford health care. Talk to someone in these conditions they are not happy to live this way they are broken and given up on the idea of acheiving anything better.
The system is set up this way, people will work to survive screw there happiness we are indoctrinated into the whole "Well work harder, strive to be better its your fault your unhappy, The american dream" The ideal conditions to achieve this has already come and gone. Buisness is all about trying to limit there employee wages, benefits, taxes to increase profit for there company and themselves. It works against the interest of the people struggling to get out of being poor. (Great depression is an example of this being unbalanced)
Not everyone has the fortitude to push through and strive to reach there dreams. Especially when so much obstacles are stacked against them. "You are fat, so resolve the problem! exercise, diet" people know the problem but they don't all do it. Its simliar in how poor are. Its easier to just take advantage of the benefits and food stamps. Then to work a min wage job that doesn't pay the bills. Few jobs will give you the income to rise above with high school diploma.
So you go to college (which is a buisness) get a degree and are weighted down with huge tuition debt to add to a house, car, other bills for your needs. Soon you have to many people with degrees seeking the same jobs that pay good. If you can aquire the job it works out, but a lot are finding those jobs are not available already filled. In time i'm willing to bet those jobs will start paying less, as there are more stock of workers in the market competing for it. Years down the road you find many people who stuggle to pay there bills even with social security and retirments because of lack of or inability to save a nest egg over the years. That is just the way it is projecting for finance/work force. Can you find a way to get through all of this? Yes, but it is hard and complicated and not everyone can have there fair share, there cake on the current system. Rich rely on the poor to keep them rich, that is the truth today.
I ask everyone to reflect on how they grew up and how it shaped your way of thinking. Here is an example. Now if you were a child growing up in a family were your parents work a min wage job (poor) you see the hardship your parents go through. They will usualy be tired, complaining, frustrated, scared of projected future of paying bills, generally unhappy. Maybe you have a father who goes drinking to alievate his unhappiness after work, or tunes out everything watching television. Doesn't spend time with the wife or children. These are due to work, trying to bring entertainment in his life. He comes home your mother is constantly yelling at him, giving him reasons for why hes worthless. Due to not achieving basic securities for living to her its his fault they live poor he should be taking away all these bills and lack of securities. They don't have the love for each other anymore, maybe stuck in a partnership just to live, or have children.
A lot of people grow up in different enviroments and those cirmustances shape our lives. If you were a child in this type of situation you eventually have to make a choice on how you live your life. You would possibly see how tough life is and not want to go through what your parents go through? Some decide it is to tough and impossible, some try and feel trapped in there work situations becoming like there parents. Some might even find a way to provide these securities through it all and are praised as being succesful, while your brother who isn't feels bad about himself and seen as negative in his parents eyes, bring on the depression. So don't blame people for being lazy, or unresponsible. Blame the system of society that we grow up in.
This is why I suggest everyone youtube Jacque Fresco and learn about the Venus Project. It is a new way of how our society could be if we work together to achieve it. It will eliminate almost all the problems we are going through. thevenusproject.com
It is a resource based economy, were no one owns anything, there is no government, no police, no military, NO money which is the cause of almost all human problems.0
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