Guns
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No one has mentioned that shooting is fun. And it's a lot harder to hit the target than a non-shooter thinks it is.
Guess you missed my post just a couple up from you
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I'd be more scared of baby eating dingo's than guns.0
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Because we're obsessed with them. It's apparently required to get your birth certificate here: "lovely little girl you have there, Mrs. Smith- does she love guns? You know you're required to have both a car seat and her own personally engraved rifle before you leave with her, right? Great, great, here's her certificate."
Spoken by someone who lives in a state with some of the most draconian firearm laws in the U.S.
( and one of the highest crime rate......go figure.....)
I don't even know what the firearm laws are in my state. I don't own a gun and never intend to. I have done target shooting and it was a lot of fun, but I see no good reason to own one.0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
Generally, the response from many permitholders is that they're not scared, either.
Some are. I can't deny that.
But there are many who simply look around, see that there are potential threats, and simply wish to have a means of dealing with them on the off-chance one of those threats presents itself.
It's the same reason I have a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with Quik Clot and a tourniquet in my car. I'm not EXPECTING to get into or pass by a major accident, but I know they happen. So I like to think that if my or someone elses' car catches fire, I've got the extinguisher. If there's an accident where someone's bleeding severely, I've got equipment to help deal with it.
So are the odds of me facing a deadly threat great? Not really. I tend to avoid high-threat environments. But I think I can speak for the majority of us when I say that, if we knew we were going to be attacked at a given time and place, we'd avoid it.0 -
Fair point. I should have said "NYC." I lived there for several years and the elitism was overwhelming. I seemed to have just made the same mistake. Fortunately, I have hiked through the Adirondacks so I have seen upstate.
No worries, and sorry if I sounded offended...I wasn't, not really, just trying to clarify for those who don't know that Upstate exists. I will be the first to admit that those of us who live upstate are pretty sensitive about everyone assuming that NY is NYC. Nevermind that our gun laws have been rammed through by politicians who pander to the city and forget we exist. Ahhh, but that's for another thread.
This time of year is the best for hiking the Adirondacks, some serious beauty going on with the change of the seasons.
They are gorgeous and the little towns I hiked through were wonderfully accommodating. I'll have to that again at some point, but I'm now living back home in Florida. Once my kids are a little older, I'll have to take them. I'm missing the change of seasons.0 -
Why do so many Americans have gun pictures on here? It is a bit scary.Thank god we can't in Australia just have them on us.....no not religious.. I couldn't handle the thought that anyone walking down the street has a gun on them. How do you handle it? Surely it is frightening. Turns me off going there for a holiday.
I laughed so hard I peed a little.
Stay on your island.0 -
Because we're obsessed with them. It's apparently required to get your birth certificate here: "lovely little girl you have there, Mrs. Smith- does she love guns? You know you're required to have both a car seat and her own personally engraved rifle before you leave with her, right? Great, great, here's her certificate."
Spoken by someone who lives in a state with some of the most draconian firearm laws in the U.S.
( and one of the highest crime rate......go figure.....)
I don't even know what the firearm laws are in my state. I don't own a gun and never intend to. I have done target shooting and it was a lot of fun, but I see no good reason to own one.
Then you need to read up on them.....our rights are being eroded away....just because you don't care for firearms, you should still know your local laws.
Anyway, I'm going to get off my soapbox now....
I use firearms for protection and for subsistence hunting...my family lives off of what I bring home....0 -
two weekends ago, i passed by a guy walking with his girlfriend/wife at the mall and he had a holstered 9mm in open view. he did not look like an off-duty cop to me either. it didn't bother me at all. we have open carry here in El Paso county.
I'm still trying to figure out what "an off-duty cop" is supposed to look like???????????
Looks like someone I'd be afraid to take my dog around. Out here in WA where I live, the only dangerous gun owners around here are the police.0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
Generally, the response from many permitholders is that they're not scared, either.
Some are. I can't deny that.
But there are many who simply look around, see that there are potential threats, and simply wish to have a means of dealing with them on the off-chance one of those threats presents itself.
It's the same reason I have a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with Quik Clot and a tourniquet in my car. I'm not EXPECTING to get into or pass by a major accident, but I know they happen. So I like to think that if my or someone elses' car catches fire, I've got the extinguisher. If there's an accident where someone's bleeding severely, I've got equipment to help deal with it.
So are the odds of me facing a deadly threat great? Not really. I tend to avoid high-threat environments. But I think I can speak for the majority of us when I say that, if we knew we were going to be attacked at a given time and place, we'd avoid it.
Your logic is seriously flawed. Obviously it makes you feel more comfortable to have the gun, but there's no logic behind that feeling. I'm not saying you're wrong to feel that way, because emotions aren't about right or wrong- but the fact is that not only is there a huge different between a gun and all those other tools you listed, there is also a much greater chance that your gun will be used to harm you or someone you care about than that it will be used to protect anyone. These are the facts.0 -
No one has mentioned that shooting is fun. And it's a lot harder to hit the target than a non-shooter thinks it is.
It's a lot like golf in that respect. Until you try to send that ball to the pin, yourself, it's difficult to understand what it's like.0 -
Because we're obsessed with them. It's apparently required to get your birth certificate here: "lovely little girl you have there, Mrs. Smith- does she love guns? You know you're required to have both a car seat and her own personally engraved rifle before you leave with her, right? Great, great, here's her certificate."
Spoken by someone who lives in a state with some of the most draconian firearm laws in the U.S.
( and one of the highest crime rate......go figure.....)
I don't even know what the firearm laws are in my state. I don't own a gun and never intend to. I have done target shooting and it was a lot of fun, but I see no good reason to own one.
Then you need to read up on them.....our rights are being eroded away....just because you don't care for firearms, you should still know your local laws.
Anyway, I'm going to get off my soapbox now....
I use firearms for protection and for subsistence hunting...my family lives off of what I bring home....
Nice rifle... *envious a touch*0 -
No one has mentioned that shooting is fun. And it's a lot harder to hit the target than a non-shooter thinks it is.
It's a lot like golf in that respect. Until you try to send that ball to the pin, yourself, it's difficult to understand what it's like.
pfffft. I only play GTA and Black Ops and I'm lethal out to 3km, which is like what... 45 feet american, right?0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
The Canadian in me (and about 2 million others) enjoys guns (per my profile pics). I am not a hunter nor is anyone in my family. We all enjoy sport shooting at our local range. Golfers, archers enjoy ranges for the same reason. It's competitive, fun and safe.
Every non gun owner who I have taken to the range has come back smiling. Give it a try sometime.
I've been to the range a few times, I just don't see the need for people to have access to weapons that can kill a roomful of people in 1 minute. I also don't understand the people that say "a car can be a weapon" It could be a weapon but it's main function is driving, what is the main function of a gun!? To shoot things!?0 -
Because we're obsessed with them. It's apparently required to get your birth certificate here: "lovely little girl you have there, Mrs. Smith- does she love guns? You know you're required to have both a car seat and her own personally engraved rifle before you leave with her, right? Great, great, here's her certificate."
Spoken by someone who lives in a state with some of the most draconian firearm laws in the U.S.
( and one of the highest crime rate......go figure.....)
I don't even know what the firearm laws are in my state. I don't own a gun and never intend to. I have done target shooting and it was a lot of fun, but I see no good reason to own one.
Then you need to read up on them.....our rights are being eroded away....just because you don't care for firearms, you should still know your local laws.
Anyway, I'm going to get off my soapbox now....
I use firearms for protection and for subsistence hunting...my family lives off of what I bring home....
I'd love to hear how our right to bear arms is being eroded away. Nobody can ever tell me. In the past 6 years gun rights have actually INCREASED in this country. Seriously. Look it up. This thing about our rights being eroded away? Sure, it's happening- there's the Patriot Act, and Citizens United, and the gutting of the voting act, and a hundred more I could name- but gun rights? No, those are actually increasing. Not even kidding. I dare you to prove me wrong.0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
The Canadian in me (and about 2 million others) enjoys guns (per my profile pics). I am not a hunter nor is anyone in my family. We all enjoy sport shooting at our local range. Golfers, archers enjoy ranges for the same reason. It's competitive, fun and safe.
Every non gun owner who I have taken to the range has come back smiling. Give it a try sometime.
I've been to the range a few times, I just don't see the need for people to have access to weapons that can kill a roomful of people in 1 minute. I also don't understand the people that say "a car can be a weapon" It could be a weapon but it's main function is driving, what is the main function of a gun!? To shoot things!?
Would you be alarmed if I told you I have enough sodium nitrate in my house to quietly, painlessly, and undetectably kill a room full of at least 150 people?
Isn't it amazing I haven't done it yet? Also, the main function argument is pretty ridiculous at best, it's about the weakest you could come up with. 0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
Generally, the response from many permitholders is that they're not scared, either.
Some are. I can't deny that.
But there are many who simply look around, see that there are potential threats, and simply wish to have a means of dealing with them on the off-chance one of those threats presents itself.
It's the same reason I have a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with Quik Clot and a tourniquet in my car. I'm not EXPECTING to get into or pass by a major accident, but I know they happen. So I like to think that if my or someone elses' car catches fire, I've got the extinguisher. If there's an accident where someone's bleeding severely, I've got equipment to help deal with it.
So are the odds of me facing a deadly threat great? Not really. I tend to avoid high-threat environments. But I think I can speak for the majority of us when I say that, if we knew we were going to be attacked at a given time and place, we'd avoid it.
Your logic is seriously flawed. Obviously it makes you feel more comfortable to have the gun, but there's no logic behind that feeling. I'm not saying you're wrong to feel that way, because emotions aren't about right or wrong- but the fact is that not only is there a huge different between a gun and all those other tools you listed, there is also a much greater chance that your gun will be used to harm you or someone you care about than that it will be used to protect anyone. These are the facts.
Having done a fair amount of research on this during law school and in connection with a risk analysis course during my MBA, I will tell you that the research that you are probably thinking about, but not quoting, is seriously flawed.0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
It is totally the Canadian in you because I don't get it either.0 -
Yup, those have already been outed as bs, BeachIron.0
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I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
The Canadian in me (and about 2 million others) enjoys guns (per my profile pics). I am not a hunter nor is anyone in my family. We all enjoy sport shooting at our local range. Golfers, archers enjoy ranges for the same reason. It's competitive, fun and safe.
Every non gun owner who I have taken to the range has come back smiling. Give it a try sometime.
I've been to the range a few times, I just don't see the need for people to have access to weapons that can kill a roomful of people in 1 minute. I also don't understand the people that say "a car can be a weapon" It could be a weapon but it's main function is driving, what is the main function of a gun!? To shoot things!?
And who determines what things are shot? To the best of my knowledge my guns have never jumped out of my safe, loaded themselves and gone on a rampage. I have shot a lot of paper though.
Who determines when a car plows into a group of people? What about knives? If you got fat, would you blame the fork?
Flawed logic.0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
Generally, the response from many permitholders is that they're not scared, either.
Some are. I can't deny that.
But there are many who simply look around, see that there are potential threats, and simply wish to have a means of dealing with them on the off-chance one of those threats presents itself.
It's the same reason I have a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with Quik Clot and a tourniquet in my car. I'm not EXPECTING to get into or pass by a major accident, but I know they happen. So I like to think that if my or someone elses' car catches fire, I've got the extinguisher. If there's an accident where someone's bleeding severely, I've got equipment to help deal with it.
So are the odds of me facing a deadly threat great? Not really. I tend to avoid high-threat environments. But I think I can speak for the majority of us when I say that, if we knew we were going to be attacked at a given time and place, we'd avoid it.
Your logic is seriously flawed. Obviously it makes you feel more comfortable to have the gun, but there's no logic behind that feeling. I'm not saying you're wrong to feel that way, because emotions aren't about right or wrong- but the fact is that not only is there a huge different between a gun and all those other tools you listed, there is also a much greater chance that your gun will be used to harm you or someone you care about than that it will be used to protect anyone. These are the facts.
Actually, there is logic.
You see, I'm a cop. That is one of the various FACTS of my life.
For me, the firearm I put on my hip when I go to work is as much a tool as my first aid kit, my radio, my handcuffs, and my fire extinguisher. It doesn't make me a bigger man. It doesn't make me better than anybody. It is simply a tool that I can use when the circumstances require it. None of that changes when I reach the end of my shift.0 -
Is that everything you'd like to tell us?
Do you know why you pulled us over?0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
It is totally the Canadian in you because I don't get it either.
Hate to burst your bubble, it's not a Canadian thing. We have millions of gun owners here. You may not be into it and that's cool but please don't make false generalizations.0 -
You have to have a license to carry a firearm. Depending on where you live the requirements can be quite extensive and include background checks.
And I'm just gonna stop there:)
I've lived in some states where you don't need a license as long as it is an open carry (like where I live now). I need my license though because I conceal carry.0 -
Depending on where I am you won't find me without my para ordanace p-12 on my hip and out of sight. Of course I have to travel through some bad parts a good majority of the time.
The thing is, unless you are in Alaska, if you open carry than 9/10 times you are a complete idiot. I have a concealed permit and you will never know I have it unless you doing something that causes me to pull it which I never wish to happen. Same goes with most responsible gun owners in America. Oh and unless we know you carry or own as well we probably won't tell you we do so there are a lot more of us around you than you think....unless say you live in a place like Chicago with some of the toughest gun regulations yet some of the most gun related violence in the nation...you're probably safe to be unarmed there.0 -
Because we're obsessed with them. It's apparently required to get your birth certificate here: "lovely little girl you have there, Mrs. Smith- does she love guns? You know you're required to have both a car seat and her own personally engraved rifle before you leave with her, right? Great, great, here's her certificate."
Spoken by someone who lives in a state with some of the most draconian firearm laws in the U.S.
( and one of the highest crime rate......go figure.....)
I don't even know what the firearm laws are in my state. I don't own a gun and never intend to. I have done target shooting and it was a lot of fun, but I see no good reason to own one.
Then you need to read up on them.....our rights are being eroded away....just because you don't care for firearms, you should still know your local laws.
Anyway, I'm going to get off my soapbox now....
I use firearms for protection and for subsistence hunting...my family lives off of what I bring home....
I'd love to hear how our right to bear arms is being eroded away. Nobody can ever tell me. In the past 6 years gun rights have actually INCREASED in this country. Seriously. Look it up. This thing about our rights being eroded away? Sure, it's happening- there's the Patriot Act, and Citizens United, and the gutting of the voting act, and a hundred more I could name- but gun rights? No, those are actually increasing. Not even kidding. I dare you to prove me wrong.
Here's some just on the first page of Google......they might not pass, but they keep on trying.....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/02/judge-refuses-to-block-maryland-new-gun-law-opponents-vow-continue-fighting/
http://www.policymic.com/articles/25950/9-useless-and-unconstitutional-anti-gun-laws-california-will-pass-in-2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/colorado-gun-laws0 -
Some states you can't carry, concealed or not. But you would be surprised at how many CCPs /CCW owners there are....I would not open carry since I have my CCW permit..but you woulndn't know I would be carrying. That doesn't mean that you should be afraid, you should be aware and have SA of all your surroundings. Have a great day.
someone with a concealed carry licence doesn't scare me at all, but I'm from Texas and know all the checks you had to go through to get that licence (regardless of what state you're in, Texas just happens to be a state with a lot of concealed carry people).
I'd actually like to see a breakdown of crimes committed by those who have that license vs. citizens who don't. Probably pretty shocking.
Last I looked .01% of felonies are commited by CHL holders. No gun crimes commited by CHL holders.0 -
I am not scared enough to feel that I require a gun.
Right!? Why would I ever need a gun, other than a hunting riffle if I hunted, I just don't get the point of owning guns(other than hunting riffles). It must be the Canadian in me
Generally, the response from many permitholders is that they're not scared, either.
Some are. I can't deny that.
But there are many who simply look around, see that there are potential threats, and simply wish to have a means of dealing with them on the off-chance one of those threats presents itself.
It's the same reason I have a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with Quik Clot and a tourniquet in my car. I'm not EXPECTING to get into or pass by a major accident, but I know they happen. So I like to think that if my or someone elses' car catches fire, I've got the extinguisher. If there's an accident where someone's bleeding severely, I've got equipment to help deal with it.
So are the odds of me facing a deadly threat great? Not really. I tend to avoid high-threat environments. But I think I can speak for the majority of us when I say that, if we knew we were going to be attacked at a given time and place, we'd avoid it.
i try to stay out of politics on here, but i will say the following for those that do not understand why Americans feel strongly about gun rights.
the American Revolution started when King George III sent his troops to Lexington and Concord to confiscate the arms of the citizenry (militia). he sent his armed surrogates (soldiers of the British army) to disarm the colonists so that he could impose his political will on them through force. that's why the founding fathers enshrined the right of the citizenry to keep and bear arms in the Bill of Rights. it's not about hunting. it's not about sport. it's not even about self-defense against criminals... it's about an armed citizenry being the only thing that stands between foreign or domestic tyranny and freedom. that's why gun control laws are ultimately viewed by the majority of Americans as an assault on their freedoms and that's why so many of those outside of the USA do not and cannot understand our mindset.0 -
The assumption by those who are scared by folks walking around with guns, concealed or not, is that the individual is not responcible enough, is inherently dangerous, lacks self control etc. This is usually based on the others own feeling of them selves. I asked a good friend of mine, who was totally against firearms, if he and I walked in on his daughter being raped and I threw him my firearm would he feel justified to use it? Of course he said yes, the following month I tought his CHL class.0
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I would say for the most part, the people who open carry or legally concealed carry are safe because they respect the guns as well as the laws concerning them. Every country has criminals who ignore the law and make it dangerous for others. They're 2 separate and different groups of people.0
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Your logic is seriously flawed. Obviously it makes you feel more comfortable to have the gun, but there's no logic behind that feeling. I'm not saying you're wrong to feel that way, because emotions aren't about right or wrong- but the fact is that not only is there a huge different between a gun and all those other tools you listed, there is also a much greater chance that your gun will be used to harm you or someone you care about than that it will be used to protect anyone. These are the facts.
That myth is just as common and incorrect as "Eating past 8pm will make you fat". And just as annoying when spouted as "fact".0
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