You eat too much.

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  • kyleekay10
    kyleekay10 Posts: 1,812 Member
    I live vicariously through Jonnythan's diary during the week. Don't try and take that away from me, you nay-sayers. :grumble:
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member

    How? What do you want, diagrams? I should get a troupe together and act it out for you?

    Wait will you do that? LIke is that a legit option?

    Bet that it looks like this

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    Or this...
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  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
    Here's a nice article with plenty of citations, if people really care about fat intake, risks, etc:

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats-full-story/
  • beachlover317
    beachlover317 Posts: 2,848 Member
    http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/6051/you-eat-too-much/

    Most of you know this. Many of you don't. You don't get fat by eating the wrong foods or your genetics or whatever. You get fat by eating too much. End of story.

    There are no magic diets. There are no evil nutrients. There are no bad foods. If you achieve and maintain a healthy body composition and exercise regularly you will have basically the best physical health you can have within a margin of maybe a couple of percent.

    Take ownership of how much you eat and you will succeed. That's what MFP is all about.

    ...except cauliflower. It's pure evil.




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    Agreed. It's of the Devil.

    It's only the devil because people keep trying to make it into something it's not. Let cauliflower just be......
  • MelissaPhippsFeagins
    MelissaPhippsFeagins Posts: 8,063 Member
    I agree with this in general, but don't some people find it easier to eat less when they eat food higher in nutrients? Because I have noticed that I am more easily satisfied by nutrient dense foods than I am with junk food of equal caloric value. I'm "happier" briefly with the junk food, but the nutritious stuff just seems to... LAST me longer, not sure how to say it but I think you get the idea?

    This.
    But I will say that the chili cheese burger (no bun - because I can't eat wheat) and small fries from a local burger joint that my hubby brought to me at work today was delish and lasted through moving my kitchen furniture around to get the old stove out and the new one in. (The stove was supposed to be delivered on hubby's day off. Not so much and so the delivery people left it outside and my 16 year old helped me move the old one out and the new one in.) It will be months before I have another fast food hamburger, but it was really good today and I have worked it off for sure.
  • Cindyinpg
    Cindyinpg Posts: 3,902 Member
    I live vicariously through Jonnythan's diary during the week. Don't try and take that away from me, you nay-sayers. :grumble:
    It was seeing his diary that gave me my first MFP Aha moment. When I first started on here I was all about the "clean eating, whole food, toxic aspartame, McDonalds is evil, let's watch some more YouTube documentaries." Then I learned that I was wrong and was depriving myself for nothing and THAT is why I am still here today, plodding along successfully, losing weight, getting healthier and enjoying...ALL the foods. :drinker:
  • SRDB00
    SRDB00 Posts: 50 Member
    I likey.. I am going to adopt this principal. Calories = Food Currency.
  • Hildy_J
    Hildy_J Posts: 1,050 Member

    So I show you graphical evidence that his blood work is fine (read: pretty damn good) despite your saying otherwise, and you basically go on to say "Whatever, everyone KNOWS that this is the way it is, duh" in so many....many...more words. Oh my goodness. I've seen the light. Truly, the logic behind this woman's assertions are built upon a foundation of immovable stone. How could I possibly have been so blind?

    Oh where to start... OK the foundation on which these assertions are built on may not be immovable stone but it's reliable enough. Two guys called Brown and Goldstein won a Nobel Prize back in 1985 for their work on the health risks associated with high cholesterol.

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1985/press.html

    Thoughts?

    Will that do? I have to get my dancing shoes on and my troupe ready.... :wink:
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/6051/you-eat-too-much/

    Most of you know this. Many of you don't. You don't get fat by eating the wrong foods or your genetics or whatever. You get fat by eating too much. End of story.

    There are no magic diets. There are no evil nutrients. There are no bad foods. If you achieve and maintain a healthy body composition and exercise regularly you will have basically the best physical health you can have within a margin of maybe a couple of percent.

    Take ownership of how much you eat and you will succeed. That's what MFP is all about.

    ...except cauliflower. It's pure evil.




    .

    Agreed. It's of the Devil.

    It's only the devil because people keep trying to make it into something it's not. Let cauliflower just be......

    Cauliflower is Broccoli's ugly, bland, and tasteles younger sister that no one really wants around but tolerates because Broccoli's mom says so.
  • ingraha
    ingraha Posts: 99 Member
    It took me so long to accept and understand this. And its unbelievable the difference logging makes. I never realized how much I ate. I am losing now although I have hit a plateau. Great topic.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member

    So I show you graphical evidence that his blood work is fine (read: pretty damn good) despite your saying otherwise, and you basically go on to say "Whatever, everyone KNOWS that this is the way it is, duh" in so many....many...more words. Oh my goodness. I've seen the light. Truly, the logic behind this woman's assertions are built upon a foundation of immovable stone. How could I possibly have been so blind?

    Oh where to start... OK the foundation on which these assertions are built on may not be immovable stone but it's reliable enough. Two guys called Brown and Goldstein won a Nobel Prize back in 1985 for their work on the health risks associated with high cholesterol.

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1985/press.html

    Thoughts?

    Will that do? I have to get my dancing shoes on and my troupe ready.... :wink:

    My lipid profile is very good.

    My cholesterol intake averages about 300 mg a day, too. Which is the RDA.

    What else you got?
  • shining_light
    shining_light Posts: 384 Member
    To people concerned about high cholesterol: I bought the book Grain Brain on Amazon(for my interest's sake only, of course), written by a neurologist. He mentions a study that links low cholesterol levels with an approximately doubled risk of suicide. I would like to point out that cholesterol is 1) produced by your body, and 2) serves a legitimate purpose(helps aid in the physical healing of veins and arteries, among other things). It's the concerns about cholesterol in foods that have caused eggs(probably the most nutritionally perfect food known to man) to be demonized.
  • LiminalAscendance
    LiminalAscendance Posts: 489 Member
    Look, stop trying to rain on everyone's parade (all this "watch what you eat" talk).

    If someone loses close to 100 lbs., they are obviously in better health, regardless of whatever so-called "junk" food they currently eat.

    Let them enjoy their treats, their improved self-image, and their (relatively) longer life span (statistically speaking, of course).

    Here's to donuts and pizza!
    :drinker:
  • beachlover317
    beachlover317 Posts: 2,848 Member
    http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/6051/you-eat-too-much/

    Most of you know this. Many of you don't. You don't get fat by eating the wrong foods or your genetics or whatever. You get fat by eating too much. End of story.

    There are no magic diets. There are no evil nutrients. There are no bad foods. If you achieve and maintain a healthy body composition and exercise regularly you will have basically the best physical health you can have within a margin of maybe a couple of percent.

    Take ownership of how much you eat and you will succeed. That's what MFP is all about.

    ...except cauliflower. It's pure evil.




    .

    Agreed. It's of the Devil.

    It's only the devil because people keep trying to make it into something it's not. Let cauliflower just be......

    Cauliflower is Broccoli's ugly, bland, and tasteles younger sister that no one really wants around but tolerates because Broccoli's mom says so.

    :laugh: Can not improve on that.
  • Hildy_J
    Hildy_J Posts: 1,050 Member

    So I show you graphical evidence that his blood work is fine (read: pretty damn good) despite your saying otherwise, and you basically go on to say "Whatever, everyone KNOWS that this is the way it is, duh" in so many....many...more words. Oh my goodness. I've seen the light. Truly, the logic behind this woman's assertions are built upon a foundation of immovable stone. How could I possibly have been so blind?

    Oh where to start... OK the foundation on which these assertions are built on may not be immovable stone but it's reliable enough. Two guys called Brown and Goldstein won a Nobel Prize back in 1985 for their work on the health risks associated with high cholesterol.

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1985/press.html

    Thoughts?

    Will that do? I have to get my dancing shoes on and my troupe ready.... :wink:

    My lipid profile is very good.

    My cholesterol intake averages about 300 mg a day, too. Which is the RDA.

    What else you got?

    ? It's not about cholesterol intake - it's the saturated fat and trans-fatty acids in all the junk you're eating that RAISE your risk of having high cholesterol. Which raises the risk of you getting cardio-vascular disease. Unless you're different of course.... Isn't there a phrase on here people use in this situation... snowflake... something...
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member

    So I show you graphical evidence that his blood work is fine (read: pretty damn good) despite your saying otherwise, and you basically go on to say "Whatever, everyone KNOWS that this is the way it is, duh" in so many....many...more words. Oh my goodness. I've seen the light. Truly, the logic behind this woman's assertions are built upon a foundation of immovable stone. How could I possibly have been so blind?

    Oh where to start... OK the foundation on which these assertions are built on may not be immovable stone but it's reliable enough. Two guys called Brown and Goldstein won a Nobel Prize back in 1985 for their work on the health risks associated with high cholesterol.

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1985/press.html

    Thoughts?

    Will that do? I have to get my dancing shoes on and my troupe ready.... :wink:

    My lipid profile is very good.

    My cholesterol intake averages about 300 mg a day, too. Which is the RDA.

    What else you got?

    ? It's not about cholesterol intake - it's the saturated fat and trans-fatty acids in all the junk you're eating that RAISE your risk of having high cholesterol. Which raises the risk of you getting cardio-vascular disease. Unless you're different of course.... Isn't there a phrase on here people use in this situation... snowflake... something...

    I don't have high cholesterol.

    Saturated fat is bad again? I thought we moved past that.

    So... again... Got anything?
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
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  • Hildy_J
    Hildy_J Posts: 1,050 Member

    So I show you graphical evidence that his blood work is fine (read: pretty damn good) despite your saying otherwise, and you basically go on to say "Whatever, everyone KNOWS that this is the way it is, duh" in so many....many...more words. Oh my goodness. I've seen the light. Truly, the logic behind this woman's assertions are built upon a foundation of immovable stone. How could I possibly have been so blind?

    Oh where to start... OK the foundation on which these assertions are built on may not be immovable stone but it's reliable enough. Two guys called Brown and Goldstein won a Nobel Prize back in 1985 for their work on the health risks associated with high cholesterol.

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1985/press.html

    Thoughts?

    Will that do? I have to get my dancing shoes on and my troupe ready.... :wink:

    My lipid profile is very good.

    My cholesterol intake averages about 300 mg a day, too. Which is the RDA.

    What else you got?

    ? It's not about cholesterol intake - it's the saturated fat and trans-fatty acids in all the junk you're eating that RAISE your risk of having high cholesterol. Which raises the risk of you getting cardio-vascular disease. Unless you're different of course.... Isn't there a phrase on here people use in this situation... snowflake... something...

    I don't have high cholesterol.

    Saturated fat is bad again? I thought we moved past that.

    So... again... Got anything?

    Better than the guys who got the Nobel prize? Nope, I got nothing. You win.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member

    So I show you graphical evidence that his blood work is fine (read: pretty damn good) despite your saying otherwise, and you basically go on to say "Whatever, everyone KNOWS that this is the way it is, duh" in so many....many...more words. Oh my goodness. I've seen the light. Truly, the logic behind this woman's assertions are built upon a foundation of immovable stone. How could I possibly have been so blind?

    Oh where to start... OK the foundation on which these assertions are built on may not be immovable stone but it's reliable enough. Two guys called Brown and Goldstein won a Nobel Prize back in 1985 for their work on the health risks associated with high cholesterol.

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1985/press.html

    Thoughts?

    Will that do? I have to get my dancing shoes on and my troupe ready.... :wink:

    My lipid profile is very good.

    My cholesterol intake averages about 300 mg a day, too. Which is the RDA.

    What else you got?

    ? It's not about cholesterol intake - it's the saturated fat and trans-fatty acids in all the junk you're eating that RAISE your risk of having high cholesterol. Which raises the risk of you getting cardio-vascular disease. Unless you're different of course.... Isn't there a phrase on here people use in this situation... snowflake... something...

    I don't have high cholesterol.

    Saturated fat is bad again? I thought we moved past that.

    So... again... Got anything?

    Better than the guys who got the Nobel prize? Nope, I got nothing. You win.

    Not sure what you're talking about. My cholesterol levels are very good. How specifically am I putting my health at risk?
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Let us see, for the last two years I've averaged 500-600 mg of cholesterol daily, between 60-100 g of fat, eat a pint of ice cream (EVERY NIGHT) and between 300-400g of carbs (100-200 coming from sugar). My cholesterol? Between 97 - 105 every single test.

    You know what impacts cholesterol the most? Obesity, exercise, & genetics.
  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
    I don't have high cholesterol.

    Saturated fat is bad again? I thought we moved past that.

    So... again... Got anything?

    The problem here is you don't eat particularly unhealthy, so you guys end up talking past each other. Always said your diary was a good example. Getting pretty decent macros and making generally solid food choices, even at McD and Taco Bell. You shouldn't be experiencing problems, whereas people making careless choices might. MFP enables this. Can walk safely through a minefield if you have a good map.
  • LiminalAscendance
    LiminalAscendance Posts: 489 Member
    Let us see, for the last two years I've averaged 500-600 mg of cholesterol daily, between 60-100 g of fat, eat a pint of ice cream (EVERY NIGHT) and between 300-400g of carbs (100-200 coming from sugar). My cholesterol? Between 97 - 105 every single test.

    You know what impacts cholesterol the most? Obesity, exercise, & genetics.

    I could post a lot of unverifiable info about my health also.

    Would you believe that?
    Yeah, I thought so.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    I don't have high cholesterol.

    Saturated fat is bad again? I thought we moved past that.

    So... again... Got anything?

    The problem here is you don't eat particularly unhealthy, so you guys end up talking past each other. Always said your diary was a good example. Getting pretty decent macros and making generally solid food choices, even at McD and Taco Bell. You shouldn't be experiencing problems, whereas people making careless choices might. MFP enables this. Can walk safely through a minefield if you have a good map.

    Hildy looked at my diary and said my diet is terrible. So I'm asking her why.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    What do I possibly gain by deceit? My food has been meticulously logged for the last 885 days. My diary is open.
  • LiminalAscendance
    LiminalAscendance Posts: 489 Member
    What do I possibly gain by deceit? My food has been meticulously logged for the last 885 days. My diary is open.

    Well, the "gain" would be to prove a point for your argument (some seem to consider this important, especially in forums).

    And I'm not saying your diary is incorrect, but the fact remains all diary entries aren't verifiable, period.

    But you know this.
  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
    I don't have high cholesterol.

    Saturated fat is bad again? I thought we moved past that.

    So... again... Got anything?

    The problem here is you don't eat particularly unhealthy, so you guys end up talking past each other. Always said your diary was a good example. Getting pretty decent macros and making generally solid food choices, even at McD and Taco Bell. You shouldn't be experiencing problems, whereas people making careless choices might. MFP enables this. Can walk safely through a minefield if you have a good map.

    Hildy looked at my diary and said my diet is terrible. So I'm asking her why.

    In that case, I dunno. I think a lot of your choices are sub-par in the taste arena, which is obviously purely subjective. I happen to like cauliflower too, so hey whatever.

    Nutritionally it's a great model for someone who wants to eat these types of food. If people interested in incorporating Mcdoubles and Doritos tacos made your choices, millions of people could avoid obesity and related health issues.
  • grandpoobah12
    grandpoobah12 Posts: 138
    One of the secrets, however, is figuring out how much is 'too much'. We all have different levels of calorie need. If we compare ourselves to others, who may burn more calories than we do, then we will get frustrated when we don't lose weight,

    If we don't know how many calories are in the food we eat. We don't know how much is too much either.

    Education is the key. And a dose of honest reality.

    Yup, Having the hardest time finding a level I lose at. Working on being consistent with exercise should help. I eat too much, and I exercise too much.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    Let us see, for the last two years I've averaged 500-600 mg of cholesterol daily, between 60-100 g of fat, eat a pint of ice cream (EVERY NIGHT) and between 300-400g of carbs (100-200 coming from sugar). My cholesterol? Between 97 - 105 every single test.

    You know what impacts cholesterol the most? Obesity, exercise, & genetics.

    I could post a lot of unverifiable info about my health also.

    Would you believe that?
    Yeah, I thought so.

    I actually would have believed you until reading this. Why presume someone is lying unless you yourself tend to lie and assume everyone else is the same?
  • LiminalAscendance
    LiminalAscendance Posts: 489 Member
    Let us see, for the last two years I've averaged 500-600 mg of cholesterol daily, between 60-100 g of fat, eat a pint of ice cream (EVERY NIGHT) and between 300-400g of carbs (100-200 coming from sugar). My cholesterol? Between 97 - 105 every single test.

    You know what impacts cholesterol the most? Obesity, exercise, & genetics.

    I could post a lot of unverifiable info about my health also.

    Would you believe that?
    Yeah, I thought so.

    I actually would have believed you until reading this. Why presume someone is lying unless you yourself tend to lie and assume everyone else is the same?

    It doesn't matter whether you believe me or not, since I'm not interested in changing anyone else's views on what they eat. I've met my goals, and have no axe to grind.

    And you shouldn't believe anyone (and yes, that includes me) that presents unverifiable information in order to make their argument.
  • kyleekay10
    kyleekay10 Posts: 1,812 Member
    Let us see, for the last two years I've averaged 500-600 mg of cholesterol daily, between 60-100 g of fat, eat a pint of ice cream (EVERY NIGHT) and between 300-400g of carbs (100-200 coming from sugar). My cholesterol? Between 97 - 105 every single test.

    You know what impacts cholesterol the most? Obesity, exercise, & genetics.

    I could post a lot of unverifiable info about my health also.

    Would you believe that?
    Yeah, I thought so.

    I actually would have believed you until reading this. Why presume someone is lying unless you yourself tend to lie and assume everyone else is the same?

    It doesn't matter whether you believe me or not, since I'm not interested in changing anyone else's views on what they eat. I've met my goals, and have no axe to grind.

    And you shouldn't believe anyone (and yes, that includes me) that presents unverifiable information in order to make their argument.

    When it comes to discussing nutrition/fitness/etc on a website, you have to rely on unverifiable information. You have to take what the OP says as truth, otherwise there'd be no point in discussing anything on sites like this.

    You see the cup half empty, a lot of us see it half full. There's no reason *not* to believe what the posters say.

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