Why is this even remotely controversial?

PikaKnight

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This is like playing with the sore loser kid who keeps making up rules or weapons to get around the defeat. *smh*

God modding.

Oh my god Whierd....gamer terminology...you just....man...Can I have you for Christmas? lmao!

bcattoes

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This is like playing with the sore loser kid who keeps making up rules or weapons to get around the defeat. *smh*

God modding.

Hey, my example. I can make her as pitiful as I choose.

PikaKnight

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And I still want to know why Bcattoes would watch someone live that way and not help her.

she's just so fat. :sick:

what...the...hell...



Some people are just horrible on the inside, regardless of how fat or fit they are :sick:

rduhlir

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This is like playing with the sore loser kid who keeps making up rules or weapons to get around the defeat. *smh*

God modding.

Hey, my example. I can make her as pitiful as I choose.

But when your "example" becomes a mother of 3 with an alcoholic husband, works 40 hour days, has no arms or legs, was a Vietnam Vet, and lives in a van down by the river...it is no longer then "realistic".

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princessnik7

How is this any different than the pictures we see circulating of the man with one leg, or the man with no feet just those blade thingies (not sure what they are called) That have the same caption? I mean she posted it to HER Facebook not like she is going around forcing it into peoples faces.


People make time for what they want to make time for................................

VelvetMorning

[...]Maybe we should picture a fit handsome man with a huge package and say 'what's your excuse' to all the men.[...]

I'm glad for the lady and I'm sure her kids are being raised with a healthy lifestyle, which is a great thing. Just do it without the taunting message and I think everyone would be happier.

Yeah, except that men can do absolutely nothing to alter the size of their "package." This implies that women can do nothing to alter their bodies.

Secondly, perhaps we need to get all "up in arms" about Nike saying "just do it" because that's taunting, insulting and makes people feel "inferior".

You can tell her kids are not by the same man.

Wtf does that have to do with anything? I think this might be the most irrelevant post I have ever read on any forum ever on any subject.

All in all, if you want a nice body you'll get it. I own and run two businesses by myself, take care of a house and family members and I still squeeze in exercise, so all of this "you can't be hot if you work or have kids" thing is a bit moot. Reorganize your time. Yall find time to talk on here about this milf, certainly you can find time to do some squats. Also, last time I checked kids are highly energetic and would *love* to exercise with their parents just for the sheer fun of it - incorporate your kids into your routines. If you DON'T have an energetic kid they're probably on an xbox somewhere - use their down time to exercise. It's not really that difficult.

redladywitch

bcattoes

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This is like playing with the sore loser kid who keeps making up rules or weapons to get around the defeat. *smh*

God modding.

Hey, my example. I can make her as pitiful as I choose.

But when your "example" becomes a mother of 3 with an alcoholic husband, works 40 hour days, has no arms or legs, was a Vietnam Vet, and lives in a van down by the river...it is no longer then "realistic".

(**Note** I went ahead and added all the other walls for you so that I could save you time and trouble.)

No, I wouldn't give her or the kids any physical handicaps because that would veer off topic of lack of time and income being a valid excuse not to reach the level of fitness in the pic.

bcattoes

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And I still want to know why Bcattoes would watch someone live that way and not help her.

she's just so fat. :sick:

what...the...hell...
Some people are just horrible on the inside, regardless of how fat or fit they are :sick:

:laugh: It was sarcasm prompted by that chick who kept wanting me to help out my hypothetical example.

LorinaLynn

She can't afford the internet or a computer. But you are correct that she is not trying to get fit. She's just trying to survive.

Then she didn't see the fit mom on FB and won't feel bad about it.

LuLuChick78

I cannot believe this is gonna roll again!!! :huh:

bcattoes

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She can't afford the internet or a computer. But you are correct that she is not trying to get fit. She's just trying to survive.

Then she didn't see the fit mom on FB and won't feel bad about it.

Correct. She has no time for such things, what with all the jobs and kids and the deadbeat.

dbmata

I am amused. This is most excellent.

bcattoes

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Absolutely off topic, but I sincerely hope that "bad situation lady" finds all the resources she needs to improve her situation. I hope things get well enough that fitness DOES become her priority.

This makes me want to volunteer somewhere.

Totally agree!! And not really off topic, as the example was meant to show that there are sometimes situations so bad that making your own fitness a priority borders on ridiculous.

Why are you not helping her?

Everytime I go to try and help I end up just getting drunk with the husband. He always has good booze.

WendyTerry420

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well, then it doesnt apply to them and they wont notice the advertising that isnt aimed at them, right? I never notice diaper commercials and I dont know jack about cars - cause neither of these are on my radar. shrug.

This. Being offended because it's not your goal would be like me being offended by John Frieda Sheer Blonde hair color commercials. Maybe I should pitch a fit because I don't want to be blonde (aside from wearing a wig for Halloween).

Nobody is offended by what she looks like. The "offense" (and I'm not really offended at all) is the idea that ALL women have the same goal.

This ^^ and, I think, the suggestion that her life is comparable to every woman with 3 kids. Income level, support network, health of the children, health of the woman, responsibilities beyond the children and home, as well as many other "excuses" can be very valid.

Income level isn't an excuse.

I agree health of children, etc., can be. But I know enough women who are in the upper levels of income with healthy families who "don't have time" because they have a couple kids. BS. I think that's the point of the photo.

It really has become fashionable to be "oh so busy" these days.

Yes, income level would not be a valid excuse for women in the upper levels of income. But it absolutely can be for others. That level of fitness takes work.

I live off $500/wk in the middle of NYC and a 65 hour workweek.
Im fit as frak.

That's awesome. Are you saying that means no other mother of three has any excuse for not doing the same? Even if they live elsewhere or work more hours or have more expenses or make less? Because otherwise, I don't see your point.

You don't have to spend any money to be fit. You just need to be dedicated to doing the work.

WendyTerry420

DamePiglet

So... Can we all agree that it was pretty freakin' slick marketing???
How many pages of posts...

Day-ummmm If I ever patent a product, I want controversy like this ALL OVER it!!

Hell, it will piss off people who don't exist!
Fantastic!!!

bcattoes

So... Can we all agree that it was pretty freakin' slick marketing???
How many pages of posts...

Day-ummmm If I ever patent a product, I want controversy like this ALL OVER it!!

Hell, it will piss off people who don't exist!
Fantastic!!!

Yeah, she probably knew full well what she was doing when she put that caption up. Great way to get people to like your page and follow you.

DamePiglet

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So... Can we all agree that it was pretty freakin' slick marketing???
How many pages of posts...

Day-ummmm If I ever patent a product, I want controversy like this ALL OVER it!!

Hell, it will piss off people who don't exist!
Fantastic!!!

Yeah, she probably knew full well what she was doing when she put that caption up. Great way to get people to like your page and follow you.

That's what I'm thinkin'. Love it, hate it or anything in between... We've been talking about it! People are looking her up and posting her stuff... My hat's off.

PikaKnight

WendyTerry420

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My "side" is that your personal example is not proof that every mother living in poverty has the opportunity to become fit. They don't necessarily have to be fat, but sometimes regular workouts simply is not possible. Some people have really hard lives.

I'm still waiting for an example. I asked for one a couple pages ago.

Mom of three, deadbeat drunken unemployed husband, working one full and 2 part times in fast food. Husband drinks a good percentage of her income, so she eats free at the fast food places and spends her money buying food and clothing for the kids. She works 70-90 hrs per week and the rest is spent on housework, laundry, nurturing the kids, cleaning up after the deadbeat and sleep. No family or friends to help.

Sounds like time for a shelter and get away from the drunk.

bcattoes

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My "side" is that your personal example is not proof that every mother living in poverty has the opportunity to become fit. They don't necessarily have to be fat, but sometimes regular workouts simply is not possible. Some people have really hard lives.

I'm still waiting for an example. I asked for one a couple pages ago.

Mom of three, deadbeat drunken unemployed husband, working one full and 2 part times in fast food. Husband drinks a good percentage of her income, so she eats free at the fast food places and spends her money buying food and clothing for the kids. She works 70-90 hrs per week and the rest is spent on housework, laundry, nurturing the kids, cleaning up after the deadbeat and sleep. No family or friends to help.

Sounds like time for a shelter and get away from the drunk.

She can't find one with a good weight room.

jofjltncb6

Dear MFP:

Please, oh please, let this thread remain on the servers...

...for future reference for those who have not yet been enlightened by what has been posted in here.

WendyTerry420

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My "side" is that your personal example is not proof that every mother living in poverty has the opportunity to become fit. They don't necessarily have to be fat, but sometimes regular workouts simply is not possible. Some people have really hard lives.

I'm still waiting for an example. I asked for one a couple pages ago.

Mom of three, deadbeat drunken unemployed husband, working one full and 2 part times in fast food. Husband drinks a good percentage of her income, so she eats free at the fast food places and spends her money buying food and clothing for the kids. She works 70-90 hrs per week and the rest is spent on housework, laundry, nurturing the kids, cleaning up after the deadbeat and sleep. No family or friends to help.

Sounds like time for a shelter and get away from the drunk.

She can't find one with a good weight room.

:laugh:

Lauren8239

I cannot believe this is gonna roll again!!! :huh:

Ikr? Not sure whether to be afraid for mankind or feel pity.

dbmata

More proof that rome is burning?

mynewlife10

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The question then becomes, WHO exactly was she targeting? The obese? The slightly overweight? The person with 5 pounds to lose? Should someone who is only a few pounds overweight be subjected to scrutiny?

Additionally, if "fit mom" is going to put herself in the public eye with a statement (photo) like that, she should have skin thick enough to endure the court of public opinion, which tends to execute anyone with even the slightest hint of self righteousness, regardless of intent.

It almost seems like a well executed publicity stunt.
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I agree with you.

kmbweber2014

This is going to be on Good Morning America soon. Unless I already missed it... I haven't been in the same room as the tv.

My take: Three years ago, before I joined here, I would have wanted to throat punch her. I thought weight loss and achieving fitness was really hard and took a lot of time and dedication.

I was right about the dedication. But the time? Not really. It doesn't take any more time for me to cook and eat right than it does to cook and eat poorly. And it doesn't take eating minimally or perfectly. Enough of a calorie deficit to lose, and enough total calories to have energy and not feel like poop.

Exercise doesn't really take all that long, either, once you find a routine that works for you. I know people who've been struggling with their weight for ages, and they're all focusing on cardio, cardio, cardio, and getting nowhere. Like going to the gym twice a day and spending HOURS on the elliptical. I'm not saying cardio is pointless. I still love running and do it three times a week on average. But I also found that lifting weights made the biggest difference between looking smaller and looking FIT. I spend probably about a half hour to at absolute MOST an hour (if I'm running 10k) on exercise a day. Probably about 4 hours a week. I spend that much time watching Colbert Report and Daily Show a week. Before I joined here, I spent more time than that playing Farmville and Bejeweled Blitz on Facebook. I also saved up money I would have spent on a gym membership, and bought weights. Since I do all my running outside, and lifting at home, that saves time that I'd spend driving to and from the gym.

Edit: The promo for this clip on GMA showed her doing squats in the playground while holding her toddler. Another great way to save time! Sometimes I stop during a run to do pullups on the monkeybars at a playground.

My 7 year old hops on my back and makes me do squats, then he does squats holding the cat. It's quite funny.

anemoneprose

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My "side" is that your personal example is not proof that every mother living in poverty has the opportunity to become fit. They don't necessarily have to be fat, but sometimes regular workouts simply is not possible. Some people have really hard lives.

I'm still waiting for an example. I asked for one a couple pages ago.

Mom of three, deadbeat drunken unemployed husband, working one full and 2 part times in fast food. Husband drinks a good percentage of her income, so she eats free at the fast food places and spends her money buying food and clothing for the kids. She works 70-90 hrs per week and the rest is spent on housework, laundry, nurturing the kids, cleaning up after the deadbeat and sleep. No family or friends to help.

Well, clearly she could leave the husband since he's irrelevent and she's doing all the work and paying all the bills.

Her job is pretty active (see above in my comments) and she probably walks a great deal to get to and from work. She can eat less to lose weight and get the muscle definition.

Is it hard? Sure.

Not impossible, though, and money isn't a barrier.

It is all about choices and that one isn't any less about choices. She chooses to stay with a deadbeat who drinks and doesn't work instead of taking control. As I said, if she truly wanted it, there's no reason she couldn't achieve it.

Not sure if you are really this naive??

Not sure if you are really this downbeat that you can't realize people have a choice to allow themselves to stay in a bad situation or to better their lives/themselves.

So, she kicks the deadbeat out. Now she must quit her jobs because there is no one to watch the children while she works. But hey, no food = weight loss and now she has time to workout. Win!

So she should stay in a bad situation to avoid paying for daycare? :huh::laugh:

ok please really try to imagine that these are real decisions with real impact on people's lives, that they have to make. stretch yourself. (not just you wheird, all the people who are not "downbeat")

Oh please. I have helped advise quite a few women who were in bad situations to help give them the courage to make a decision to stay or leave. And then on how to protect themselves financially while preparing to leave. Even to the point of researching state specific resources they could use to help them. I am -not- a person who needs a lesson in compassion for serious situations.

why then did you laugh at the importance of daycare/resources, like that's a ridiculous thing to worry about?

Well, for one we are talking about a made up example. And then the notion that she cannot leave a deadbeat, drunken husband who drinks up 51%+ of the example's income because he is the primary caregiver is absolutely ridiculous. Getting rid of him would immediately free up the majority of her income to be used to pay for daycare. Financially it would be an instant win.

a LOT of women put up with less than ideal situations because the cost/benefit ratios re daycare/work do not favour them leaving.

VeganLexi

It isn't.