LOW CARB DIET from today.- who's with me?

yarwell

So fat loss on low carb isn't achieved through a deficit? And the Feltham "experiment"? That was surely rigorously controlled.

Actually in the majority of both tightly controlled trials show no significant difference in fat loss between the diets. For ad lib and self reported intake trials it's about 50/50

There's a deficit, yes, and frequently a bigger one than on high carb diets even when the low carb strand is supposed to be ad lib. Sometimes the fat loss can't be explained by the deficit, other times it matches, seems that most nutrition and weight loss trials have confounding factors or inaccuracies bigger than the intervention.

Feltham's activity was interesting, I don't doubt his honesty and it wasn't tightly controlled or extensively measured independently. I wouldn't be able to explain why his waist got smaller and he gained so little weight in one case while getting visibly flabby and piling on the weight in the other - I'm not anticipating he added 2000 cals/day of exercise just for the low carb version (which wasn't even that low in grams of carbs on account of the high calorie intake).

How many trials come out with a better weight loss on high carb ?

johnnifast

Good luck. I think low carb is the easiesy way to lose weight. I have lost 65 lbs from a low carb diet in 6 months. I mean, who could complain about eating steak, bacon and eggs for most of the week? Keep it up. What made this so fun was trying out new recipes for low carb dishes (also subsituting carb items for non-carb/lower carb).

Beginners should try to limit their daily carb intake from 100g, 50g then 30g as your body adjusts. Going cold turkey to low carb is hard but the results will show!

Acg67

I lost a lot of weight before and kept it off for 5 years with low carb diet. then started eating sugar and all the bad stuff and gained weight in the last 6 years. need to lose it all. Now trying to cut back on sugar and the "bad" carbs. I'd like to join this group and see how much I can lose.

Sounds like you might be, like me, a sugar and white flour addict. I would like to strongly recommend to you, that you do not fool yourself into thinking you can "cut back" on sugar and simple carbs. For those of us who are so addicted to it that we'd gain all our weight back by eating it (translate: bingeing on it), we'll never, ever be able to "handle" sugar and simple carbs, no matter how much we convince ourselves we can "cut back" on them. They will always, always, always, and I repeat, ALWAYS come back to get you.

Some of our brains respond to sugar and simple carbs differently than others' do. Studies are showing that, for some of us, sugar activates the pleasure center of our brains in the exact same way crack does to a crack addict. I highly recommend treating sugar and white flour as a crack addict would treat drugs, or an alcoholic would a bottle of vodka - run from it as fast as your legs will carry you...and do it permanently.

I realize that this is EXTREMELY difficult advice to swallow. Most people who are hooked on these types of foods will do anything to convince themselves this information does not apply to them. I recommend opening your mind and exploring this possibility for yourself. Be very, very honest with yourself.

Here are some clues you might be an addict:

1. I know I probably shouldn't keep sugary treats (like cookies) in the house, but I do anyway...just in case I need/want them.
2. After eating a sugary treat, I immediately want another one.
3. After eating that second sugary treat, I immediately want another one.
4. After eating that third treat, I immediately want another one, but now I am starting to feel guilty. I say to myself, "no more cookies" but I really, really want one.
5. Now I am obsessing about that next cookie I know I shouldn't eat. I can't stop thinking about it. I throw the bag of cookies in the trash to prove how strong I am.
6. 30 minutes later I fish the bag of cookies out of the trash and proceed to eat the entire thing.

More clues:

1. I go out of my way to go to the grocery store, or bakery, or fast-food line to buy sugary treats or bread.
2. I put the treats on the seat next to me on the car.
3. I pull over somewhere where no one can see me, and proceed to inhale several of the treats or several slices of bread.

Still more:

People don't understand why I'm overweight. They see me eat small meals at work and they see that these meals often include fruit or vegetables. This is because I eat an entire pint of ice cream alone in my home where no one can see me. This is in addition to all the bread, cookies, pasta, Coke and other items I've already eaten in secret when no one was looking.

And lastly:

I have tried every day, over and over and over for years, to control eating these foods, to eat them in smaller quantities. I can do it for several days at a time, maybe even a couple months at a time, but eventually I fall right back into my old habits.

These are just a few of the signs. You might know more. Be honest....could this be you?

The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

Acg67

So fat loss on low carb isn't achieved through a deficit? And the Feltham "experiment"? That was surely rigorously controlled.

Actually in the majority of both tightly controlled trials show no significant difference in fat loss between the diets. For ad lib and self reported intake trials it's about 50/50

There's a deficit, yes, and frequently a bigger one than on high carb diets even when the low carb strand is supposed to be ad lib. Sometimes the fat loss can't be explained by the deficit, other times it matches, seems that most nutrition and weight loss trials have confounding factors or inaccuracies bigger than the intervention.

Feltham's activity was interesting, I don't doubt his honesty and it wasn't tightly controlled or extensively measured independently. I wouldn't be able to explain why his waist got smaller and he gained so little weight in one case while getting visibly flabby and piling on the weight in the other - I'm not anticipating he added 2000 cals/day of exercise just for the low carb version (which wasn't even that low in grams of carbs on account of the high calorie intake).

How many trials come out with a better weight loss on high carb ?

Feltham had something to gain by his little "experiment" , no? And what of actual overfeeding trials? (High fat has been shown to be more fattening in those cases)

I'm not particularly interested in weight loss, since low carb has greater water/glycogen and lean mass losses. For fat loss the differences are non significant

Sarauk2sf

Please add me, I have just been reading about carbs and how the wrong kind can make us fat and unhealthy!
I would think there needs to be a balance?

A caloric surplus makes us fat.

A caloric surplus makes you gain weight... Excess carbs increase insulin, insulin increases fat storage/decrease fat utilization

Are you saying protein does not increase insulin?

If I was saying anything about protein I would have mentioned protein.
But in terms of most low carb/keto plans moderate protein is stressed, with fat making up the greatest portion of calories by far.

Are you saying that if I eat a surplus of calories, where the majority of my intake comes from fat. I will not store fat?

Nope... As long as you lift heavy, 100% of those excess calories will go towards building muscle ;-)

Say what?



ETA: oop - sarcasm meter on the blink.

Sarauk2sf

I'm going to the Nutrission section of steroids.com and get some educated advise and not sissy *kitten* BS . where men are men and women are sexy ! Not complaing and talking about what they can't do or how they have failed to long on the forum is depressing to many cry babies with no dedication !

Per your profile you are on TRT, yet you are using yourself as an example of what can (alledgedly) be achieved...in a post where the OP is a woman, and unlikely on TRT!

Brandolin11

The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

Thank you for that. (Not.)

To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face.

KRoth416

The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

Thank you for that. (Not.)

To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face.

I completely agree! I saw a study done using rats/mice and oreos and cocaine. The oreos (fat & sugars) triggered the same neurological reactions in the mice as cocaine would. Also, the mice chose the oreos in the maze over the rice cakes used. Who wouldn't though...AND that is why I am here! Sugar/breads are my coke...

Sarauk2sf

The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

Thank you for that. (Not.)

To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face.

I completely agree! I saw a study done using rats/mice and oreos and cocaine. The oreos (fat & sugars) triggered the same neurological reactions in the mice as cocaine would. Also, the mice chose the oreos in the maze over the rice cakes used. Who wouldn't though...AND that is why I am here! Sugar/breads are my coke...

Did you look at the actual study?

Brandolin11

Here is one person's beautiful perspective on practicing "abstinence" from foods that trigger us. For me, trigger foods have sugar and simple carbs in them. Thus, I now eat a complex carb diet (not low carb, COMPLEX carb) and I don't touch sugar nor simple carbs. This is my abstinence. I've never been freer, happier, or more healthy in my life - inside and out. I highly recommend it for those who might have the same issues. You know who you are. Think about it.

http://www.therecoverygroup.org/jtr/abstinence.html

KRoth416

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2013/10/16/why-your-brain-treats-oreos-like-a-drug/

Enjoy.

This topic has gotten OUT of HAND! If you're not participating why are you even commenting? If you don't agree, stay out. Common sense and courtesy!

KnM0107

Derp in this thread have reached critical levels. Immediate evacuation is advised.

I am not 100% sure what "derp" means, but I have a strong urger to agree

Acg67

The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

Thank you for that. (Not.)

To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face.

The one study you posted has nothing to support "sugar addiction", the others also do not have anything to go on other than rodent studies. If there are hundreds of studies on humans, please post them.

Acg67

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2013/10/16/why-your-brain-treats-oreos-like-a-drug/

Enjoy.

This topic has gotten OUT of HAND! If you're not participating why are you even commenting? If you don't agree, stay out. Common sense and courtesy!

Right, can't have dissenting opinions

Oh btw from the very first sentence in your link, thought we were talking about humans, not rodents

"A small new study suggests the brain responds to Oreo cookies quite like it responds to actual drugs – at least if you’re a rat"

Brandolin11

The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

Thank you for that. (Not.)

To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face.

I completely agree! I saw a study done using rats/mice and oreos and cocaine. The oreos (fat & sugars) triggered the same neurological reactions in the mice as cocaine would. Also, the mice chose the oreos in the maze over the rice cakes used. Who wouldn't though...AND that is why I am here! Sugar/breads are my coke...

Girl, I feel your pain! I used to go to this local cupcake shop and get four (yes, that's right FOUR) giant red velvet cupcakes and then eat all of them before I got home. I would feel "slightly" sick, where as most normal human beings would be barfing after one and a half of these things. I don't have the chip that tells me to STOP eating sweets. My body does not respond with the typical "I'm Full" response. It just wants to keep eating.

It wasn't until I abstained from eating these sugary foods altogether that the fog in my brain lifted. Once I was off of it, I never went back.

This is why I keep harping on this. *Some* people here keep trying to do "low carb", but it doesn't work - my belief is that this is because we "play" with the sugar, thinking we can do "a little". IMHO, for some of us, there is no such thing. A little will always, always turn into a lot.

I never thought in a million years I'd be able to live without my trigger foods. These foods were the thing that got me through the day, after all. Little did I know it was the OPPOSITE - those foods were killing me mentally, emotionally, and of course, physically - and the real happiness came from getting rid of them. I highly recommend it to anyone struggling as I did.

gabbygirl78

My mother's cardiologist told her if she would just cut her sugar and bread she would loose weight.
ETS: I did Atkins and had great results It is a lifstyle change though. You can gain the weight back if you stray bu that is with anything you try. I will be starting back on the induction phase tomorrow also.

KRoth416

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2013/10/16/why-your-brain-treats-oreos-like-a-drug/

Enjoy.

This topic has gotten OUT of HAND! If you're not participating why are you even commenting? If you don't agree, stay out. Common sense and courtesy!

Right, can't have dissenting opinions

Oh btw from the very first sentence in your link, thought we were talking about humans, not rodents

"A small new study suggests the brain responds to Oreo cookies quite like it responds to actual drugs – at least if you’re a rat"

RIGHT! Because science doesn't just use rodents for studies in medicine or anything like that for use in HUMANS so we ARE OBVIOUSLY not comparable AT ALL! Genius! GENIUS!!!

Brandolin11

The plausibility of sugar addiction and its role in obesity and eating disorders

http://www.clinicalnutritionjournal.com/article/S0261-5614(09)00239-8/fulltext

Thank you for that. (Not.)

To all the others here who might sense they are addicted, I advise disregarding this uninformed naysayer who is quoting old and outdated data/studies and consider my words and get rid of the foods that trigger you anyway. Because it's very real and it's very true.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-sugar-addiction
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-kirkpatrick-ms-rd-ld/sugar-addiction-_b_3861957.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/sugar-addiction_b_3502807.html
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400899/Can-You-Be-Addicted-to-Sugar.html
http://www.livescience.com/25588-junk-food-withdrawal.html
http://www.radiantrecovery.com/addicted.htm

There are hundreds more articles, but I don't want to be rude and rub it in anyone's face.

The one study you posted has nothing to support "sugar addiction", the others also do not have anything to go on other than rodent studies. If there are hundreds of studies on humans, please post them.

I am so sorry that you don't understand how science works. That is a shame. Oh well.

For those who want to use this gentleman's skepticism as a crutch to avoid your addictions, that's entirely up to you.

To anyone else who is interested in breaking their addiction of compulsively overeating - whether that include sugary treats or otherwise - I recommend checking out the wonderful organization "Overeater's Anonymous", which has so much good information about how to break free. Most of their literature is free online (Google the "Big Book" and prepare to be blown away!) and there are meetings in just about every town where you can find support. Also, feel free to Inbox or Friend me if you'd like to discuss further. I'm always excited to share the Reality of food addiction and how I came to manage it. Blessingsl.

KRoth416

In ALL seriousness. EVERYONE is different. And scientific study or NOT. I can PERSONALLY attest to having an addiction to sugar. Whether it is PHSYICAL OR MENTAL is up for debates. BUT I have eaten candy or sweets in a bathroom or my car so no one else would see because I HAD to have it! AND if the only way for ME to cut terrible habits like that are to go LOW-CARB, not NO-CARB then why are you in here harassing people who choose to live differently than you? If there was ONE right way it would be THE WAY! Every body is different. Every metabolism is different! What works for one or some may not work for everyone. Humans OR rodents.