Clean Eating Bashing?
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Re: The Twinkies. The point is not what you don't eat. It's about what you do it. If you choose to have a Twinkie, fine. But why are people mad at people who choose to make their diet cleaner. It's fine if I have a Twinkie if I've already met my nutritional needs, from an individual perspective.
I don't think it's so much that people are mad at others who do 'clean eating' as much as they get snarky at people who insist that everyone needs to do it.
I have no problem with people who eat x, y, z, whatever. I do have a problem with people who jump into newbie threads insisting that since eating x, y, z, whatever worked for them, it's the only way to be healthy and all of the newbies need to do it. This applies whether it's 'clean eating', paleo, low-carb, low-fat, vegetarianism, veganism, raw food ...0 -
I keep seeing this "eating clean" term but I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Can someone please clarify? Is there a standard definition?0
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i have a problem with clean eaters who insist that eating "clean" magically cures all sorts of diseases that modern medicine cannot. it's not true and there is no scientific evidence supporting any of those assertions, but they are routinely thrown about by clean eating converts as if they are self-evidently true.
"clean" foods do not cure cancer, or multiple sclerosis, or even the ever nebulous "inflammation" which is never even defined by clean eaters.
i also have a problem with clean eaters leading naive people into eating disorders by insisting that certain foods are inherently bad, and that by not perfectly adhering to some ridiculous list of foods that must be avoided at all costs, making them feel guilty or ashamed.
finally, the smugness of clean eaters annoys me.
so eat clean or don't eat clean... it doesn't matter to me. just don't prosthelytize on MFP about "clean" eating and not expect pushback.
BTW, i don't have a problem with so-called "clean" foods per se (except of course asparagus and brussels sprouts), just the clean eaters. that's why i poke fun at them, which brings up another issue...
why are clean eaters such humorless sourpusses?0 -
It is different for each person, but in general I feel, and this is just my opinion...not a professional here...the more you clean up your diet, the better your body is going to function. I simply don't have the willpower to be 100% clean all the time...I like cheese too much. I am currently maintaining about a 80% clean diet...so that I can have those "treats" every once in a while. But in general...I have more energy, I feel fuller longer, I don't get crazy cravings anymore, and I sleep better. Plus some stomach issues I was having have all but disappeared.
But it is to each their own. However you are accomplishing losing weight/getting healthy/staying fit...as long as you aren't starving yourself (or doing illegal drugs) keep doing whatever works for you!0 -
YOU HAVE TO EAT ALL ORGANIC FOOD AND FREE RANGE MEAT OR YOU WILL DIE!!!!!!0
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I agree with you 100%. It is different for each person, but in general I feel the more you clean up your diet, the better your body is going to function. I simply don't have the willpower to be 100% clean all the time...I like cheese too much. I am currently maintaining about a 80% clean diet...so that I can have those "treats" every once in a while. But in general...I have more energy, I feel fuller longer, I don't get crazy cravings anymore, and I sleep better. Plus some stomach issues I was having have all but disappeared.
But it is to each their own. However you are accomplishing losing weight/getting healthy/staying fit...as long as you aren't starving yourself (or doing illegal drugs) keep doing whatever works for you!
What the heck is dirty about cheese?0 -
The problem is not with clean eaters, or paleo/primal people, or whatever diet is vogue right now. Its with anyone who moves from saying 'this is my way of creating a deficit" to "you will get cancer and DIE unless you eat my way".
I do see people getting snarky (myself included), because so many of these elimination diets are unsustainable. Paleo is a fine way of creating a deficit, but no, it will not cure all your ills, and if you can't do it for life, then it will not be your solution. Eating more fruits and vegetables is great, but trying to elimiate cake/cookies/ice cream forever is setting yourself up for failure. I try to keep it informative, but sometimes such ridiculous things are said, I can't help but respond with a cat gif.0 -
i have a problem with clean eaters who insist that eating "clean" magically cures all sorts of diseases that modern medicine cannot. it's not true and there is no scientific evidence supporting any of those assertions, but they are routinely thrown about by clean eating converts as if they are self-evidently true.
"clean" foods do not cure cancer, or multiple sclerosis, or even the ever nebulous "inflammation" which is never even defined by clean eaters.
i also have a problem with clean eaters leading naive people into eating disorders by insisting that certain foods are inherently bad, and that by not perfectly adhering to some ridiculous list of foods that must be avoided at all costs, making them feel guilty or ashamed.
finally, the smugness of clean eaters annoys me.
so eat clean or don't eat clean... it doesn't matter to me. just don't prosthelytize on MFP about "clean" eating and not expect pushback.
BTW, i don't have a problem with so-called "clean" foods per se (except of course asparagus and brussels sprouts), just the clean eaters.
Perfect. I don't believe in clean eating because demonizing food isn't 'healthy'. Neither is being 'scared' of certain food or refusing point blank to eat it. Everyone eats different, I eat to fill my nutritional needs and then add in extra yummy stuff to help keep calories up. Eating clean for me caused a huge problem with a disordered attitude towards food.
EDIT: Also the elitist and classcist attitude that comes with clean eating (for some), which is assuming EVERYONE can afford to eat 'clean' organic and whole is extremely thick and looking down on those who dont do as they say.0 -
I agree! This is myFITNESSpal, not myWEIGHTLOSSpal. Eating clean contributes to fitness in more ways than eating twinkies at a deficit does.
Why does eating twinkies mean you aren't fit?
NO ONE SAID THAT! This is exactly what I'm talking about.
It was implied that eating twinkes = not fit.
Still waiting on the three ways eating clean contributes more to fitness than eating "twinkies" or whatever else does.
It was not implied. You inferred it.
3 Reasons: Meeting your nutritional needs before you eat exclusively snacks is on its face better for you or nutritional guidelines would not exist at all. Twinkies take a great deal of processing and transporting of ingredients to accomplish, which contributes to water and air pollution, neither or which are good for you. Twinkies contain a lot of corn-based ingredients which contribute to the mono-cropping of American and threaten the sustainability of the food system.
Do your own freaking research on Twinkies. You are lazy for making me do it for you.
I see some people on here that survive exclusively on fast food and I really don't want to pay for your Obamacare for you.
wow. i see all of that clean eating has certainly made you pretty on the inside.
btw, i live in california, and the federal tax dollars taken from here pay for virtually everything that montana residents enjoy, but you don't see me crying in my twinkie soup about it.0 -
I agree with you 100%. It is different for each person, but in general I feel the more you clean up your diet, the better your body is going to function. I simply don't have the willpower to be 100% clean all the time...I like cheese too much. I am currently maintaining about a 80% clean diet...so that I can have those "treats" every once in a while. But in general...I have more energy, I feel fuller longer, I don't get crazy cravings anymore, and I sleep better. Plus some stomach issues I was having have all but disappeared.
But it is to each their own. However you are accomplishing losing weight/getting healthy/staying fit...as long as you aren't starving yourself (or doing illegal drugs) keep doing whatever works for you!
What the heck is dirty about cheese?
Yeah, I feel like cheese is pretty clean compared to twinkies.
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I agree with you 100%. It is different for each person, but in general I feel the more you clean up your diet, the better your body is going to function. I simply don't have the willpower to be 100% clean all the time...I like cheese too much. I am currently maintaining about a 80% clean diet...so that I can have those "treats" every once in a while. But in general...I have more energy, I feel fuller longer, I don't get crazy cravings anymore, and I sleep better. Plus some stomach issues I was having have all but disappeared.
But it is to each their own. However you are accomplishing losing weight/getting healthy/staying fit...as long as you aren't starving yourself (or doing illegal drugs) keep doing whatever works for you!
What the heck is dirty about cheese?
Yeah, I feel like cheese is pretty clean compared to twinkies.
cheese was meant for men to figure out how to make, but for baby cows to eat...0 -
I see some people on here that survive exclusively on fast food and I really don't want to pay for your Obamacare for you.
y'all are arguing with a professional here...I'd step away from this one.0 -
Don't take the "clean eating bashing" personally.
It's primarily the ones who've had difficulties with their weight in the past. They've decided (or are unable) to not give up foods high in fat and sugar (i.e. "junk food"), and due to whatever limited success they've had, believe there is something wrong with those who desire to cut such things out of their diet.
They'll tell you how healthy they are, and talk about their great "blood work."
They'll also ask you to provide "peer reviewed studies" to support your claims that the food you eat can affect your long-term health, while attributing their views to universal truths.0 -
I agree with you 100%. It is different for each person, but in general I feel the more you clean up your diet, the better your body is going to function. I simply don't have the willpower to be 100% clean all the time...I like cheese too much. I am currently maintaining about a 80% clean diet...so that I can have those "treats" every once in a while. But in general...I have more energy, I feel fuller longer, I don't get crazy cravings anymore, and I sleep better. Plus some stomach issues I was having have all but disappeared.
But it is to each their own. However you are accomplishing losing weight/getting healthy/staying fit...as long as you aren't starving yourself (or doing illegal drugs) keep doing whatever works for you!
What the heck is dirty about cheese?
Yeah, I feel like cheese is pretty clean compared to twinkies.
LOL...yep...
Definitely cleaner than twinkies...especially if you don't employ the 5 second rule when they get dropped.0 -
That was absolutely beautifully stated OP! :flowerforyou:
You're main reason for "eating clean" is the same as mine:For me, I eat clean because I've eaten at a deficit using processed foods and have eaten at a deficit eating more whole foods and I simply feel more energetic, get sick less often, and have less gastrointestinal problems when I eat cleaner. The issue is not about weight loss for me, it's about overall well-being.
I started eliminating as much pre-packaged, processed and overly-refined foods in the spring as a personal choice before I started losing weight, and in a way I think it's helped my weight loss only because I was already becoming more accustomed to having to make food from scratch rather than from a box. I had the same experiences as you - I had more energy, better temperament, better skin, less stomach or digestive related issues, and have only gotten sick once with a fairly mild cold (in comparison with getting terribly sick at least once when each of the seasons changed). It kind of makes me sad that so many people won't give "clean eating" a try (for reasons I don't understand - because it's "too hard?"), because it's really made me feel quite amazing!
I really don't understand why people so severely bash "clean eaters" on here. I see the assumption that they "demonize foods" but I have never met someone who considers themselves to be a clean eater that won't eat X Y and Z on occasion (unless for healthy-related, ethical or religious reasons) - it just makes me assume that if you are a "clean eater hater" that you think that all foods are wonderful and provide amazing nutrition, and all you eat is fast-food and other convenience foods.
Of course what I just tried to demonstrate there is that there are extremes in both cases - yes there are people who will tell you never to eat gluten, or dairy, or only organic, and there are people who are losing weight and/or getting into better physical shape that eat fast-food every single day, but in reality we all sit somewhere closer to the middle of the spectrum. I think that's something that's often forgotten and shouldn't be.
Anyway, I just wanted to thank you for the well thought comment. As an advocate of clean eating, I appreciate it immensely.
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(sigh) Not this again?? :yawn:0
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I agree! This is myFITNESSpal, not myWEIGHTLOSSpal. Eating clean contributes to fitness in more ways than eating twinkies at a deficit does.
Why does eating twinkies mean you aren't fit?
NO ONE SAID THAT! This is exactly what I'm talking about.
It was implied that eating twinkes = not fit.
Still waiting on the three ways eating clean contributes more to fitness than eating "twinkies" or whatever else does.
It was not implied. You inferred it.
3 Reasons: Meeting your nutritional needs before you eat exclusively snacks is on its face better for you or nutritional guidelines would not exist at all. Twinkies take a great deal of processing and transporting of ingredients to accomplish, which contributes to water and air pollution, neither or which are good for you. Twinkies contain a lot of corn-based ingredients which contribute to the mono-cropping of American and threaten the sustainability of the food system.
Do your own freaking research on Twinkies. You are lazy for making me do it for you.
I see some people on here that survive exclusively on fast food and I really don't want to pay for your Obamacare for you.
perfect example of a post that deserves a cat gif
ps - send that federal money you get back to me. I can use it for twinkies.0 -
I see some people on here that survive exclusively on fast food and I really don't want to pay for your Obamacare for you.
Wow did you just imply that people who eat fast food are poor and need obama care? Your pretty shallow. Glad i dont know you IRL.0 -
this place definitely ain't named "MyScienceBasedFactsPal" either
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You could totally be rich, Bro. Do it.0 -
Have we gotten an agreed-upon definition for "Clean Eating" yet? The definition might influence a person's decision to "bash" clean eating.0
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I agree! This is myFITNESSpal, not myWEIGHTLOSSpal. Eating clean contributes to fitness in more ways than eating twinkies at a deficit does.
I eat a Twinkie almost every day. 14# gone so far...0 -
Clean eaters are smug. I dislike smug. :grumble:0
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I agree! This is myFITNESSpal, not myWEIGHTLOSSpal. Eating clean contributes to fitness in more ways than eating twinkies at a deficit does.
I eat a Twinkie almost every day. 14# gone so far...
You go girl...nothing wrong with that!0 -
I am really glad you posted this so I dont have to haha. I totally agree. Before i started eating "clean" (the best that i can at least) i had so many stomach problems, ate fast food a lot, never went to the farmers market or bought fresh produce, everything was always frozen (not that theres anything wrong with that, but i do LOVE the farmers market, and i am actually spending LESS money than I was before) I am definitately a much happier person than I was at the beginning of the year. I try not to judge what other people eat and it really bothers me that people put down cleaning eating so much.
I feel the same way. Eating "cleaner" makes me feel better. It's not for everyone. I do eat "nonclean" foods as well occasionally. Had chili dogs this weekend.
Do I think it's necessary for weight loss. No.0 -
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I'm not sure what exactly clean eating is defined as specifically... but I feel like offering my two cents:
I am not trying to be one of those snotty people acting like they eat so much better than everyone else... but it really does matter where you get your calories from. My diet is not perfect (I love bread!), but I'm reading this book called Forks over Knives - which is also a documentary - and it's lead me to completely rethink what I eat everyday. I've started doing my own research and I'm experimenting on myself, too. I'm working on cutting out animal products, refined sugars, and overly processed foods and replacing them with plant based whole foods to see how I feel. So far I feel great! No cravings for meat or sugar. I feel very full on a 1,200 a day diet - and that's with running every day! Plus I've lost about 4 pounds since starting this about a week and a half ago.
I'm not trying to DIS anyone for anything they eat, all I'm saying is do some RESEARCH into the things you eat and the effect it could have on your health! Haven't you wondered what it is they stuff inside those Twinkies that make them have such a long shelf life? What could it hurt you to check into it?
Maybe check out some studies done by Dr. T. Colin Campbell and Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn, Jr. They are the doctors the Forks over Knives book and documentary focus on.
Again, all I'm saying is look into your diet.
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Why can't we all just be friends???!!!??? :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
Seriously, if you want to "eat clean" then by all means, have at it. If it's a sustainable approach for you, kudos. If you don't want to eat clean and are still able to/trying to get healthy, have at it. Kudos!!! You wanna support your local farmers? Awesome!!! You wanna support rich corporate companies? Awesome!!! Who cares?!?!!??!?! Everyone just get over it. Eat however is best for you!!! Stop acting like the way you(general) eat is the only way to eat if you want to be healthy and lose weight/sustain your weight.0 -
Clean eaters are smug. I dislike smug. :grumble:
I am not smug. LOL.
(still think 68 and getting her workout on is friggin awesone!)0 -
Have we gotten an agreed-upon definition for "Clean Eating" yet? The definition might influence a person's decision to "bash" clean eating.
That's what annoys me the most about it - what even IS clean eating?0 -
I would never bash clean eaters, as long as they do not go out promoting it as if thats the only thing that can cause weight loss. People should follow an approach that suits them and can maintain for a lifetime.
I know i cannot and i am not willing to eat clean for my lifetime, i will easily go back to my old ways and gain all the weight back, so i allot my calories in such a way that i try to get in whatever i want/can!0
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