Does quality of food matter if you remain within calories?

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  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    haha, still the personal attack when you can't even respond with anything approaching intelligence, so focused on my grammar. your a big girl I'm sure you can figure out what I'm saying, even if I scrambled each words letters your brain could understand and make sense of it. but no, you may not have become fat by eating less initially, most likely it was from sugar and soda and processed food consumption, then you went on a diet, lost weight, lowered metabolism and then gained it all back then dieted again, its a result of chronic diet cycling and the rebound fat gain from lowering you metabolism. if you eat 1200 calories a day for the rest of your life, I guarantee that you would slowly lose muscle (LBM) and gain Adipose tissue even with no change in weight, you will keep a set point weight but your composition WILL change. you keep focusing on telling me I'm wrong instead of actually looking into it. hell try reading the books I mentioned, "The Calorie Myth", "The Fat Switch" etc, you say that "Starving isn't the answer" but you think that mild starving is ok, you make no sense. even the World Health Organization says that 1800 cal/day for women and 2200 cal/day for men are semi deprivation/mild starvation diets. thats the least even a 75 year old healthy woman should be eating, 1800 cal/day. anyway, I figured you would be closed minded based on your college "biology major", you are just like a Doctor who thinks they already know all and could NEVER be wrong, haha, I've met plenty like you , doctors SO smart they count unlock their office door, lol

    Again, who are you talking to?

    And are you physic?

    And....ironic again.
  • Tigg_er
    Tigg_er Posts: 22,001 Member
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    Oh man, who's shaking the trees ? A squirrel just fell out .
  • nicholasawestendorf
    nicholasawestendorf Posts: 39
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    ahh…someone who knows nothing telling me I know nothing, wow how harsh, lol, its ok, stay ignorant. try READING for yourself, I'm not asking you to take my word for it, Im asking you to have an open mind and wake up. look around and ask yourself this, ( I do because I work in a gym and see it every day), "if calorie counting and losing weight were just a simple math equation, and most people having fair intelligence, then would not more people be thin and healthy instead of staying fat ?" I mean really if its SO easy as exercise more eat less, wouldn't we have solved this obesity epidemic ? try thinking for yourself instead of following the blind who are leading you on this calorie counting dead end.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    haha, still the personal attack when you can't even respond with anything approaching intelligence, so focused on my grammar. your a big girl I'm sure you can figure out what I'm saying, even if I scrambled each words letters your brain could understand and make sense of it. but no, you may not have become fat by eating less initially, most likely it was from sugar and soda and processed food consumption, then you went on a diet, lost weight, lowered metabolism and then gained it all back then dieted again, its a result of chronic diet cycling and the rebound fat gain from lowering you metabolism. if you eat 1200 calories a day for the rest of your life, I guarantee that you would slowly lose muscle (LBM) and gain Adipose tissue even with no change in weight, you will keep a set point weight but your composition WILL change. you keep focusing on telling me I'm wrong instead of actually looking into it. hell try reading the books I mentioned, "The Calorie Myth", "The Fat Switch" etc, you say that "Starving isn't the answer" but you think that mild starving is ok, you make no sense. even the World Health Organization says that 1800 cal/day for women and 2200 cal/day for men are semi deprivation/mild starvation diets. thats the least even a 75 year old healthy woman should be eating, 1800 cal/day. anyway, I figured you would be closed minded based on your college "biology major", you are just like a Doctor who thinks they already know all and could NEVER be wrong, haha, I've met plenty like you , doctors SO smart they count unlock their office door, lol

    You need to learn how to reply to people's posts so that we know who you are talking to. Click the "quote" button on their post and voila.

    The quote button AND the enter button. Seriously, please use paragraphs to break up up the wall of texts please.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    ahh…someone who knows nothing telling me I know nothing, wow how harsh, lol, its ok, stay ignorant. try READING for yourself, I'm not asking you to take my word for it, Im asking you to have an open mind and wake up. look around and ask yourself this, ( I do because I work in a gym and see it every day), "if calorie counting and losing weight were just a simple math equation, and most people having fair intelligence, then would not more people be thin and healthy instead of staying fat ?" I mean really if its SO easy as exercise more eat less, wouldn't we have solved this obesity epidemic ? try thinking for yourself instead of following the blind who are leading you on this calorie counting dead end.

    for Pete's sake, learn how to use the quote button.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Yes, you are kind of a big deal
  • nicholasawestendorf
    nicholasawestendorf Posts: 39
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    ok, I dare you to experiment, if you eat "real food", and balanced meals, eat only enough grams of carbs a day to replenish glycogen lost, INCREASE everything else besides carbs, eat as much as u can, do HIIT cardio and lift and I promise the more food you eat the leaner you will get. will you take this challenge ? prob not, fear will likely stop you from trusting me.

    I have a BMR of 1707 (determined through an oxygen consumption test) so no, of course I'm not going to take on your "challenge" and eat 2500+ calories because I know damn well I will gain weight- whether I eat whole foods or junk food.

    By the way, I already eat strictly whole foods (Mediterranean diet, low carb, moderate protein, moderate fat) due to insulin resistance and hypoglycemia.

    In other words, your theory has been debunked.
  • Cranquistador
    Cranquistador Posts: 39,744 Member
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    sorry but at that moment someone respectfully asked me a question, instead of just being ignorant like most of you.
    i think someone is bored.
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
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    haha, still the personal attack when you can't even respond with anything approaching intelligence, so focused on my grammar. your a big girl I'm sure you can figure out what I'm saying, even if I scrambled each words letters your brain could understand and make sense of it. but no, you may not have become fat by eating less initially, most likely it was from sugar and soda and processed food consumption, then you went on a diet, lost weight, lowered metabolism and then gained it all back then dieted again, its a result of chronic diet cycling and the rebound fat gain from lowering you metabolism. if you eat 1200 calories a day for the rest of your life, I guarantee that you would slowly lose muscle (LBM) and gain Adipose tissue even with no change in weight, you will keep a set point weight but your composition WILL change. you keep focusing on telling me I'm wrong instead of actually looking into it. hell try reading the books I mentioned, "The Calorie Myth", "The Fat Switch" etc, you say that "Starving isn't the answer" but you think that mild starving is ok, you make no sense. even the World Health Organization says that 1800 cal/day for women and 2200 cal/day for men are semi deprivation/mild starvation diets. thats the least even a 75 year old healthy woman should be eating, 1800 cal/day. anyway, I figured you would be closed minded based on your college "biology major", you are just like a Doctor who thinks they already know all and could NEVER be wrong, haha, I've met plenty like you , doctors SO smart they count unlock their office door, lol

    Again, who are you talking to?

    And are you physic?

    And....ironic again.

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  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    sorry but at that moment someone respectfully asked me a question, instead of just being ignorant like most of you.
    i think someone is bored.

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  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
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    sorry but at that moment someone respectfully asked me a question, instead of just being ignorant like most of you.
    i think someone is bored.

    That's what happens when mom and dad are out for the evening and you get to stay up late.
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
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    Yes, you are kind of a big deal

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  • nicholasawestendorf
    nicholasawestendorf Posts: 39
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    ok, I dare you to experiment, if you eat "real food", and balanced meals, eat only enough grams of carbs a day to replenish glycogen lost, INCREASE everything else besides carbs, eat as much as u can, do HIIT cardio and lift and I promise the more food you eat the leaner you will get. will you take this challenge ? prob not, fear will likely stop you from trusting me.

    I have a BMR of 1707 (determined through an oxygen consumption test) so no, of course I'm not going to take on your "challenge" and eat 2500+ calories because I know damn well I will gain weight- whether I eat whole foods or junk food.

    By the way, I already eat strictly whole foods (Mediterranean diet, low carb, moderate protein, moderate fat) due to insulin resistance and hypoglycemia.

    In other words, your theory has been debunked.
    Ok, so your BMR is 1707, do you think it STAYS at that ? and eating less will cause a permanent deficit ?, it will create a deficit for about two weeks, then you will hit a plateau because your 1707 BMR WILL drop to just under what you are eating per day. If you DO take my challenge however, eating MORE than you need will A: RAISE your metabolic rate and thermogenisis (only 1 of the 5 ways we burn calories btw) B: your body will utilize more of the excess calories to build and repair muscle and the body in general, C: it costs 10% roughly of what you eat just to digest the food so you end up with only 90% at most. D: your body ramps UP fat burning enzymes and hormones. result is you WILL lose more fat than before and perform better. calories are no different that water, you drink more you piss more out, drink less, you retain more. like I said, its called a "Negative Feedback Loop". think of it as a fire, you are feeding your fire less fuel than it needs to keep burning hot, it gets smaller and less hot, the metabolism does the same thing. see, you all think that your BMR remains the same no matter your calorie intake, this is not true, the body will try to match by lowing or raising it. so you will lose fat AND muscle tissue until your BMR is say 1200, then you stop losing and can actually gain/retain body fat and lose more muscle. its sad that no one really understand this.
  • Cranquistador
    Cranquistador Posts: 39,744 Member
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    sorry but at that moment someone respectfully asked me a question, instead of just being ignorant like most of you.
    i think someone is bored.

    That's what happens when mom and dad are out for the evening and you get to stay up late.
    think they left him money to order food?

    He seems hungry and angry.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
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    Well, today there was a social outing kind of thing and I unfortunately ate cookies, sweetened cinnamon bread, few chips, and a big bite of chocolate bundt cake. I also had a lot of (whole grain) ricecakes and some peanut butter today. Hate to say it but that is probably 700+ calories (a cookie is a killer in itself!)

    However, I find that if I monitor well today, I can probably be within calorie limits.

    Will eating "junk food" hinder my progress as long as I don't overeat my calories?
    No, eating junk while staying within your calorie goal will not hinder your progress when ti comes to calories in/calories out.

    However, it has been my experience when I eat a bunch of junk on any day I tend to feel more run down, especially if it's lots of sugary stuff, which can affect the intensity of my workouts.
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
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    sorry but at that moment someone respectfully asked me a question, instead of just being ignorant like most of you.
    i think someone is bored.

    That's what happens when mom and dad are out for the evening and you get to stay up late.
    think they left him money to order food?

    He seems hungry and angry.

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  • nicholasawestendorf
    nicholasawestendorf Posts: 39
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    sorry but at that moment someone respectfully asked me a question, instead of just being ignorant like most of you.
    i think someone is bored.

    That's what happens when mom and dad are out for the evening and you get to stay up late.

    haha, nice attempt at a personal attack (once again), I'm 36, and Ive studied the human body prob as long as you have been alive, at least 20 years, I was a Combat Medic in the Army and have had PLENTY of training and experience gained in REAL WORKING CONDITIONS, with great Doctors, not a little "College" frat house. ever wonder, maybe I'm NOT a "heretic" and possibly understand the body a little better than you ?, oh god forbid ANYONE knows the body better than you !! lol. man, never have I met so many close minded people in one place, refusing to even attempt to wonder if what they think they know may be wrong, I'm sorry but if you aren't questioning EVERYTHING you learn from ANYONE then you are never going to know that you didn't know.
  • Soccermavrick
    Soccermavrick Posts: 405 Member
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    Why is it someone asks a question and someone else bored, decides to go off on a tangent in the thread, as if it is generally going to help? I almost stop reading threads and just try to answer the first question.

    Fewer calories in than out generally means a loss, but we are talking about our bodies which are smarter than we like to think, and cheap calories have an effect, whether that be with less energy, fewer calories burning, etc.... Hence once or twice cheap calories might not hurt, normally as rewards, but regularly, at least for most people, and you may be questioning why you are not getting the results you expect. There is a reason that this App does more than just count calories, and there is a reason most pro athletes pay attention to what they eat, not just working out.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    ok, I dare you to experiment, if you eat "real food", and balanced meals, eat only enough grams of carbs a day to replenish glycogen lost, INCREASE everything else besides carbs, eat as much as u can, do HIIT cardio and lift and I promise the more food you eat the leaner you will get. will you take this challenge ? prob not, fear will likely stop you from trusting me.

    I have a BMR of 1707 (determined through an oxygen consumption test) so no, of course I'm not going to take on your "challenge" and eat 2500+ calories because I know damn well I will gain weight- whether I eat whole foods or junk food.

    By the way, I already eat strictly whole foods (Mediterranean diet, low carb, moderate protein, moderate fat) due to insulin resistance and hypoglycemia.

    In other words, your theory has been debunked.
    Ok, so your BMR is 1707, do you think it STAYS at that ? and eating less will cause a permanent deficit ?, it will create a deficit for about two weeks, then you will hit a plateau because your 1707 BMR WILL drop to just under what you are eating per day. If you DO take my challenge however, eating MORE than you need will A: RAISE your metabolic rate and thermogenisis (only 1 of the 5 ways we burn calories btw) B: your body will utilize more of the excess calories to build and repair muscle and the body in general, C: it costs 10% roughly of what you eat just to digest the food so you end up with only 90% at most. D: your body ramps UP fat burning enzymes and hormones. result is you WILL lose more fat than before and perform better. calories are no different that water, you drink more you piss more out, drink less, you retain more. like I said, its called a "Negative Feedback Loop". think of it as a fire, you are feeding your fire less fuel than it needs to keep burning hot, it gets smaller and less hot, the metabolism does the same thing. see, you all think that your BMR remains the same no matter your calorie intake, this is not true, the body will try to match by lowing or raising it. so you will lose fat AND muscle tissue until your BMR is say 1200, then you stop losing and can actually gain/retain body fat and lose more muscle. its sad that no one really understand this.

    You will hit a plateau in 2 weeks? Really?

    You do realize that your BMR is not your TDEE?

    Also, please could you show where eating at a deficit causes a permanent drop in your BMR outside what it would due to weight lose. Also, please show me how you will lose weight if not at a deficit?

    And again, please stop making assumptions.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    sorry but at that moment someone respectfully asked me a question, instead of just being ignorant like most of you.
    i think someone is bored.

    That's what happens when mom and dad are out for the evening and you get to stay up late.

    haha, nice attempt at a personal attack (once again), I'm 36, and Ive studied the human body prob as long as you have been alive, at least 20 years, I was a Combat Medic in the Army and have had PLENTY of training and experience gained in REAL WORKING CONDITIONS, with great Doctors, not a little "College" frat house. ever wonder, maybe I'm NOT a "heretic" and possibly understand the body a little better than you ?, oh god forbid ANYONE knows the body better than you !! lol. man, never have I met so many close minded people in one place, refusing to even attempt to wonder if what they think they know may be wrong, I'm sorry but if you aren't questioning EVERYTHING you learn from ANYONE then you are never going to know that you didn't know.

    Please enlighten us as to how you are not doing exactly what you are accusing us of.

    Also, age does not necessarily mean knowledge.

    Also, why don't you answer the actual questions posed to you?

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