naturally thin people

eldamiano

Of course it's my fault and a matter of willpower. If I eat a breakfast that makes me crave junk all day, it's my fault. The point is, not everyone has this problem. I'm utterly sick of people who don't know what this is like downplaying it as an issue for those of us who do.

Ok enough on this but.... you shouldnt really care that other people have other levels of willpower.

Jestinia

Of course it's my fault and a matter of willpower. If I eat a breakfast that makes me crave junk all day, it's my fault. The point is, not everyone has this problem. I'm utterly sick of people who don't know what this is like downplaying it as an issue for those of us who do.

Ok enough on this but.... you shouldnt really care that other people have other levels of willpower.

It isn't a matter of willpower if nothing ever triggers a desire to seriously overeat to begin with. Which is my whole point.

eldamiano

Of course it's my fault and a matter of willpower. If I eat a breakfast that makes me crave junk all day, it's my fault. The point is, not everyone has this problem. I'm utterly sick of people who don't know what this is like downplaying it as an issue for those of us who do.

Ok enough on this but.... you shouldnt really care that other people have other levels of willpower.

It isn't a matter of willpower if nothing ever triggers a desire to seriously overeat to begin with. Which is my whole point.

Everyone has willpower levels and it is not exclusive to food, which highlights that everybody has willpower. If nothing triggers a desire to seriously overeat, it is because of strong willpower. There is no point bemoaning this.

Jestinia

Of course it's my fault and a matter of willpower. If I eat a breakfast that makes me crave junk all day, it's my fault. The point is, not everyone has this problem. I'm utterly sick of people who don't know what this is like downplaying it as an issue for those of us who do.

Ok enough on this but.... you shouldnt really care that other people have other levels of willpower.

It isn't a matter of willpower if nothing ever triggers a desire to seriously overeat to begin with. Which is my whole point.

Everyone has willpower levels and it is not exclusive to food, which highlights that everybody has willpower. If nothing triggers a desire to seriously overeat, it is because of strong willpower. There is no point bemoaning this.

Oh good, I have incredible willpower when it comes to lots of things. Like skydiving. Never done it, never will, I keep the desire to do it so controlled I don't even know it's there. Super willpower there.

toaster6

Nope, at least not without some medical issue that makes it very difficult to gain weight. People who are thin tend not to eat as much and naturally (and healthily) restrict intake. My boyfriend for example, may eat a whole lot in one sitting, but won't eat much else during the rest of the day. He also tends to burn a lot because he is always moving and quite active. Fat isn't magic.

stumblinthrulife

You know what every so-called 'naturally skinny' person I know has in common?

Keeping busy. They are always occupied with something. It's hard to snack when you are in the workshop building furniture, or tending your garden, or sewing dresses, or spelunking, or horse back riding, or scuba diving, or hunting, or painting or any number of other things. When you're just sat in front of the TV or a computer, it's easy to shovel handfuls of snacks into your mouth mindlessly.

If you want to be 'naturally skinny', get off your backside, and get a hobby besides watching TV and browsing the internet. Even if it's a less active hobby, so long as you are engaged, you won't be simply counting down the time until you can next eat to break the monotony.

in_the_stars

I am naturally thin! What do you not get? 99 pounds, completely, and no movement, broken shoulder and bed bound for months. I can eat 2500 calories or 1500 calories and I still weigh the same.

RhiannonBaugh

my boyfriend. and i hate him for it haha

AGREED!! HAHA

Jestinia

I am naturally thin! What do you not get? 99 pounds, completely, and no movement, broken shoulder and bed bound for months. I can eat 2500 calories or 1500 calories and I still weigh the same.

I so hate you!

Hope you're better and out of bed soon, though, that sounds awful!

DamePiglet

I am naturally thin! What do you not get? 99 pounds, completely, and no movement, broken shoulder and bed bound for months. I can eat 2500 calories or 1500 calories and I still weigh the same.

Are you trying to gain weight? Can't tell anything from your profile.

BinaryPulsar

You know what every so-called 'naturally skinny' person I know has in common?

Keeping busy. They are always occupied with something. It's hard to snack when you are in the workshop building furniture, or tending your garden, or sewing dresses, or spelunking, or horse back riding, or scuba diving, or hunting, or painting or any number of other things. When you're just sat in front of the TV or a computer, it's easy to shovel handfuls of snacks into your mouth mindlessly.

If you want to be 'naturally skinny', get off your backside, and get a hobby besides watching TV and browsing the internet. Even if it's a less active hobby, so long as you are engaged, you won't be simply counting down the time until you can next eat to break the monotony.

This is a good point. Slim people would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. But, they find other ways to cope with emotions and boredom. People that are having trouble with that can get help. We all get help when we find ourselves coping with life in ways that are not healthy or addictive.

WalkingAlong

But this the "General Diet and Weight Loss Help" forum within the MFP forums. I'm not implying anyone needs to be overweight to read and post here. I was just curious. I have no interest in the weight gain forums because I don't have that specific problem so it would be odd for me to be reading/posting there. To me.

Also, why does your profile say you're 77? And where was your broken clavicle a week ago when you posted a flexed bicep selfie? You're looking pretty healthy for 99 lbs. at 5'2".

in_the_stars- The above questions were for you.

in_the_stars

I am naturally thin! What do you not get? 99 pounds, completely, and no movement, broken shoulder and bed bound for months. I can eat 2500 calories or 1500 calories and I still weigh the same.

Are you trying to gain weight? Can't tell anything from your profile.

Yes! I just can't gain weight or muscle easily.

DamePiglet

But this the "General Diet and Weight Loss Help" forum within the MFP forums. I'm not implying anyone needs to be overweight to read and post here. I was just curious. I have no interest in the weight gain forums because I don't have that specific problem so it would be odd for me to be reading/posting there. To me.

Also, why does your profile say you're 77? And where was your broken clavicle a week ago when you posted a flexed bicep selfie? You're looking pretty healthy for 99 lbs. at 5'2".

in_the_stars- The above questions were for you.

Thanks for posting this.

Jestinia

You know what every so-called 'naturally skinny' person I know has in common?

Keeping busy. They are always occupied with something. It's hard to snack when you are in the workshop building furniture, or tending your garden, or sewing dresses, or spelunking, or horse back riding, or scuba diving, or hunting, or painting or any number of other things. When you're just sat in front of the TV or a computer, it's easy to shovel handfuls of snacks into your mouth mindlessly.

If you want to be 'naturally skinny', get off your backside, and get a hobby besides watching TV and browsing the internet. Even if it's a less active hobby, so long as you are engaged, you won't be simply counting down the time until you can next eat to break the monotony.

This is a good point. Slim people would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. But, they find other ways to cope with emotions and boredom. People that are having trouble with that can get help. We all get help when we find ourselves coping with life in ways that are not healthy or addictive.

I hate to keep on harping, but this drives me nuts. Of course there are thin people who would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. I am now one of them. But I also know slim people who never struggle with that, and they are no more emotionally stable than I am.

I know what cuts my cravings: Red meat and lots of it, no bread. Does that mean dead cow is my therapist, solving my emotional issues with carnivorous therapy sessions? I don't think so.

I'm not saying it's never about emotions, but it isn't always about emotions for everyone all the time.

Peachygirl14

Maybe, the real issue here is the Carb(quantity AND quality) intake and eating habits. People who eat small but frequent meals and eat SLOWER generally have higher metabolism than "binge eaters".

And also, how many processed and prepackage food do people eat? Factor that in, a lot of processed and prepackaged food are usually high in "hidden sugars". Better to eat NON-LOW FAT food over Low fat food where fat is substituted with sugar. Not all fat are bad. Fat from fish, for example, is good.


Most weight issues nowadays are about simple carbs that we take in. Maybe those "naturally thin" people eat more complex carbs than simple carbs

in_the_stars

But this the "General Diet and Weight Loss Help" forum within the MFP forums. I'm not implying anyone needs to be overweight to read and post here. I was just curious. I have no interest in the weight gain forums because I don't have that specific problem so it would be odd for me to be reading/posting there. To me.

Also, why does your profile say you're 77? And where was your broken clavicle a week ago when you posted a flexed bicep selfie? You're looking pretty healthy for 99 lbs. at 5'2".

in_the_stars- The above questions were for you.

I lie about me age, but the pictures are true.
I am pretty healthy, a bit skinny but the pic is real.

BinaryPulsar

You know what every so-called 'naturally skinny' person I know has in common?

Keeping busy. They are always occupied with something. It's hard to snack when you are in the workshop building furniture, or tending your garden, or sewing dresses, or spelunking, or horse back riding, or scuba diving, or hunting, or painting or any number of other things. When you're just sat in front of the TV or a computer, it's easy to shovel handfuls of snacks into your mouth mindlessly.

If you want to be 'naturally skinny', get off your backside, and get a hobby besides watching TV and browsing the internet. Even if it's a less active hobby, so long as you are engaged, you won't be simply counting down the time until you can next eat to break the monotony.

This is a good point. Slim people would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. But, they find other ways to cope with emotions and boredom. People that are having trouble with that can get help. We all get help when we find ourselves coping with life in ways that are not healthy or addictive.

I hate to keep on harping, but this drives me nuts. Of course there are thin people who would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. I am now one of them. But I also know slim people who never struggle with that, and they are no more emotionally stable than I am.

I know what cuts my cravings: Red meat and lots of it, no bread. Does that mean dead cow is my therapist, solving my emotional issues with carnivorous therapy sessions? I don't think so.

I'm not saying it's never about emotions, but it isn't always about emotions for everyone all the time.

Sorry, all I have to go on is these most recent comments and I misunderstood.

BinaryPulsar

I don't have any of the problems that in the stars is having. But, my weight has always fluctuated between 98 and 102 (when I am fit and active). I am 5'2". That is a healthy weight for someone that has a small bone structure. I am very active, healthy, have lots of energy. I think there are various factors that contribute. I do have a naturally small bone structure. I have always been very active. But, I also do focus on fitness, that's why I'm here. And I eat 1900 minimum, but often more. That is how much I weigh in all my pics. See, I am healthy. And this is what I weigh.

This BMI calculator works for me: http://people.maths.ox.ac.uk/trefethen/bmi_calc.html

But, does not work for medium or large framed people.

TwinkieDong

The people who are "naturally thin" are the ones that picked up good eating habits or eat less meals (consuming less calories overall). There really is no such thing as naturally thin as you can't be the law of thermodynamics. Now, genetics can determine BMR to a certain extend but it's not going to be much greater than few hundred points.

Or they just have highly active life styles. I could never gain a pound as much as I ate. Wasnt until I was 33 with a desk-job that I gained weight.

Jestinia

You know what every so-called 'naturally skinny' person I know has in common?

Keeping busy. They are always occupied with something. It's hard to snack when you are in the workshop building furniture, or tending your garden, or sewing dresses, or spelunking, or horse back riding, or scuba diving, or hunting, or painting or any number of other things. When you're just sat in front of the TV or a computer, it's easy to shovel handfuls of snacks into your mouth mindlessly.

If you want to be 'naturally skinny', get off your backside, and get a hobby besides watching TV and browsing the internet. Even if it's a less active hobby, so long as you are engaged, you won't be simply counting down the time until you can next eat to break the monotony.

This is a good point. Slim people would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. But, they find other ways to cope with emotions and boredom. People that are having trouble with that can get help. We all get help when we find ourselves coping with life in ways that are not healthy or addictive.

I hate to keep on harping, but this drives me nuts. Of course there are thin people who would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. I am now one of them. But I also know slim people who never struggle with that, and they are no more emotionally stable than I am.

I know what cuts my cravings: Red meat and lots of it, no bread. Does that mean dead cow is my therapist, solving my emotional issues with carnivorous therapy sessions? I don't think so.

I'm not saying it's never about emotions, but it isn't always about emotions for everyone all the time.

Sorry, all I have to go on is these most recent comments and I misunderstood.

It's not you, it's a few other posts from earlier with a similar outlook. Sorry for being snappy. I just get frustrated when people don't take into account the research indicating genetic and other factors in weight gain and loss.

lmperfect

Prior to me having a weight problem, people used to think I was naturally thin. It's true that I never counted calories and ate pretty much anything when I was thin, but it's also true that in reality I wasn't really eating that much. The main thing was that I would eat when I was hungry and stop when I was full. My weight problem started when I no longer was able to feel hunger or fullness. I could eat and eat and never really feel full which is why I have to count calories today. I wish I could go back to feeling hungry and full cause it was so much easier.

So much this!
Every word happened to me too:/

BinaryPulsar

You know what every so-called 'naturally skinny' person I know has in common?

Keeping busy. They are always occupied with something. It's hard to snack when you are in the workshop building furniture, or tending your garden, or sewing dresses, or spelunking, or horse back riding, or scuba diving, or hunting, or painting or any number of other things. When you're just sat in front of the TV or a computer, it's easy to shovel handfuls of snacks into your mouth mindlessly.

If you want to be 'naturally skinny', get off your backside, and get a hobby besides watching TV and browsing the internet. Even if it's a less active hobby, so long as you are engaged, you won't be simply counting down the time until you can next eat to break the monotony.

This is a good point. Slim people would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. But, they find other ways to cope with emotions and boredom. People that are having trouble with that can get help. We all get help when we find ourselves coping with life in ways that are not healthy or addictive.

I hate to keep on harping, but this drives me nuts. Of course there are thin people who would also like to eat tons of food if it did not lead to weight gain. I am now one of them. But I also know slim people who never struggle with that, and they are no more emotionally stable than I am.

I know what cuts my cravings: Red meat and lots of it, no bread. Does that mean dead cow is my therapist, solving my emotional issues with carnivorous therapy sessions? I don't think so.

I'm not saying it's never about emotions, but it isn't always about emotions for everyone all the time.

Sorry, all I have to go on is these most recent comments and I misunderstood.

It's not you, it's a few other posts from earlier with a similar outlook. Sorry for being snappy. I just get frustrated when people don't take into account the research indicating genetic and other factors in weight gain and loss.

I completely understand! I know that it's not my place to place judgement on people that have a different struggle than I do. I know that I don't know enough about them and their specific situation. We would all get a little snappy in those circumstances.

DamePiglet

There are many factors that are "natural" occurrences that could make a person thin even though he or she eats quite a bit...
Illness, emotional stress, being fidgety, being a late bloomer, etc.

All things that occur naturally in humans.

So, yeah, there are indeed naturally thin people - even if they aren't thin their entire lives.

rawhidenadz

Of course it's my fault and a matter of willpower. If I eat a breakfast that makes me crave junk all day, it's my fault. The point is, not everyone has this problem. I'm utterly sick of people who don't know what this is like downplaying it as an issue for those of us who do.

Ok enough on this but.... you shouldnt really care that other people have other levels of willpower.

It isn't a matter of willpower if nothing ever triggers a desire to seriously overeat to begin with. Which is my whole point.

But that isn't exclusive to thin people. There are plenty of overweight people who are overweight because they make bad choices/eat fatty food that puts them over their maintenance calories and causes them to gain a great deal of weight. I know plenty of obese/overweight people who don't have issues with bingeing and are not obsessed with food/have ridiculous cravings. And I'm not downplaying those issues, because I have them myself, and it's extremely difficult. I agree that someone who doesn't have that does not know how hard it is. I understand what you're saying. Yes, people with smaller appetites/less interest in food exist, and a lot of them stay thin forever because of it. If that's your definition of "naturally thin," I agree that those people exist. I can name off about 15 people in my life like that off the top of my head.

The thing is, this shouldn't be termed so much "naturally thin" as "naturally weight stable" IMO. Some overweight people are blessed with this sort of disinterest too, and the only reason they're overweight is what I mentioned above - poor eating habits/ignorance (and I envy the pants off them because it should be very very easy for them to lose weight if they stick to a deficit consistently). I mean, but there's still a difference between someone who is good at maintaining a certain weight who is thin and has always been thin, and someone who's overweight and maintaining, obviously, because the overweight person HAD to have experienced a calorie surplus for long enough to gain that excess weight . . . but the way people are using "naturally thin" in this thread, previous to this post, has basically been "skinny people who can eat above their maintenance calories and somehow magically not get fat" and that's just ridiculous when you're considering the average person, I'm sorry. Those people might exist, and I do know that some people are genetically more inclined to gain muscle than fat in response to overfeeding. I wouldn't argue that those people are "naturally thin" or "naturally fit" but they are genetic anomalies and they're pretty rare in the general population

bebeXchyM

And some would be like 'will power is genetic'. Lol! If U want that body U've got to earn it. Until u realise that u are the reason why u are fat and stop blaming metabolism and genetics, u would not lose weight!

Jestinia

But that isn't exclusive to thin people. There are plenty of overweight people who are overweight because they make bad choices/eat fatty food that puts them over their maintenance calories and causes them to gain a great deal of weight. I know plenty of obese/overweight people who don't have issues with bingeing and are not obsessed with food/have ridiculous cravings. And I'm not downplaying those issues, because I have them myself, and it's extremely difficult. I agree that someone who doesn't have that does not know how hard it is. I understand what you're saying. Yes, people with smaller appetites/less interest in food exist, and a lot of them stay thin forever because of it. If that's your definition of "naturally thin," I agree that those people exist. I can name off about 15 people in my life like that off the top of my head.

The thing is, this shouldn't be termed so much "naturally thin" as "naturally weight stable" IMO. Some overweight people are blessed with this sort of disinterest too, and the only reason they're overweight is what I mentioned above - poor eating habits/ignorance (and I envy the pants off them because it should be very very easy for them to lose weight if they stick to a deficit consistently). I mean, but there's still a difference between someone who is good at maintaining a certain weight who is thin and has always been thin, and someone who's overweight and maintaining, obviously, because the overweight person HAD to have experienced a calorie surplus for long enough to gain that excess weight . . . but the way people are using "naturally thin" in this thread, previous to this post, has basically been "skinny people who can eat above their maintenance calories and somehow magically not get fat" and that's just ridiculous when you're considering the average person, I'm sorry. Those people might exist, and I do know that some people are genetically more inclined to gain muscle than fat in response to overfeeding. I wouldn't argue that those people are "naturally thin" or "naturally fit" but they are genetic anomalies and they're pretty rare in the general population

I guess I assumed the definition of naturally thin covers people who simply don't have an urge to overeat, no matter what their diet or lifestyle is like. Clarifying it that way should have been my first priority. Sorry about that!

Yes, there are people who are overweight purely from emotional eating. I just know I'm not one of them, because if I were then what I eat wouldn't matter, I would overeat on a given day strictly based on my emotions. But I'm not that way. So it's strange to me when people completely dismiss research into physiological causes and the genetics behind them.

rawhidenadz

But that isn't exclusive to thin people. There are plenty of overweight people who are overweight because they make bad choices/eat fatty food that puts them over their maintenance calories and causes them to gain a great deal of weight. I know plenty of obese/overweight people who don't have issues with bingeing and are not obsessed with food/have ridiculous cravings. And I'm not downplaying those issues, because I have them myself, and it's extremely difficult. I agree that someone who doesn't have that does not know how hard it is. I understand what you're saying. Yes, people with smaller appetites/less interest in food exist, and a lot of them stay thin forever because of it. If that's your definition of "naturally thin," I agree that those people exist. I can name off about 15 people in my life like that off the top of my head.

The thing is, this shouldn't be termed so much "naturally thin" as "naturally weight stable" IMO. Some overweight people are blessed with this sort of disinterest too, and the only reason they're overweight is what I mentioned above - poor eating habits/ignorance (and I envy the pants off them because it should be very very easy for them to lose weight if they stick to a deficit consistently). I mean, but there's still a difference between someone who is good at maintaining a certain weight who is thin and has always been thin, and someone who's overweight and maintaining, obviously, because the overweight person HAD to have experienced a calorie surplus for long enough to gain that excess weight . . . but the way people are using "naturally thin" in this thread, previous to this post, has basically been "skinny people who can eat above their maintenance calories and somehow magically not get fat" and that's just ridiculous when you're considering the average person, I'm sorry. Those people might exist, and I do know that some people are genetically more inclined to gain muscle than fat in response to overfeeding. I wouldn't argue that those people are "naturally thin" or "naturally fit" but they are genetic anomalies and they're pretty rare in the general population

I guess I assumed the definition of naturally thin covers people who simply don't have an urge to overeat, no matter what their diet or lifestyle is like. Clarifying it that way should have been my first priority. Sorry about that!

Yes, there are people who are overweight purely from emotional eating. I just know I'm not one of them, because if I were then what I eat wouldn't matter, I would overeat on a given day strictly based on my emotions. But I'm not that way. So it's strange to me when people completely dismiss research into physiological causes and the genetics behind them.

No, I understand. Your post makes a lot more sense than most of this thread. If you look back at most of the posts, it is people defining naturally thin like I said - naturally thin = defying the laws of physics. That's not a thing. What you're talking about is different and you're bringing up a good point. I do agree that there are people whose appetites/food desires are just less, "naturally," and that has a HUGE impact on weight loss/gain/maintenance. This isn't to say that people who naturally like to eat more can't lose weight or maintain at a lower weight. It just takes a LOT more effort. Personally, the amount of food I will eat naturally if left to my own devices is about 3000 calories a day. Unfortunately, my TDEE is 2400. So I gain weight if I let myself give into my natural appetites. And I do eat fairly healthy, so it's not like they're the small but calorie dense portions you get with a lot of junk food (which is why a lot of people who don't eat large quantities of food become and stay overweight to begin with) - I naturally gravitate toward eating huuuge portions of food. It's just what I like to do, it's how I've liked to eat since I was a kid (and I was a skinny kid). When I'm not eating, even if I'm full, I'm thinking about food. So yeah, eating a normal amount and maintaining or losing weight will never ever be natural for me, but a lot of people put absolutely no thought into it and maintain healthy weights with no problem . . . That's definitely true.

rjmudlax13

A lot of people forget that the "calories out" part of the equation involves a lot more than just exercise. There is a component call non-exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT) which includes activities such as fidgeting and normal everyday walking. It is my opinion (and this is based off of some research) that "naturally thin" people have a relatively much higher NEAT rate than others. In other words they fidget, move around, walk faster, are more physically expressive, talk more, etc. than others. On top of that, other people probably overestimate how much they actually eat.

I also believe that this is what’s behind some of the weight gain that happens when people go on antidepressant and/or antianxiety medication. They are less nervous and anxious so they fidget a lot less and stay more calm and docile on top of just eating more because they are out with people eating, drinking and being merry!

It really comes down to balancing an equation, but the equation is more complicated than people realize. It's not magic!

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12468415

stumblinthrulife

A lot of people forget that the "calories out" part of the equation involves a lot more than just exercise. There is a component call non-exercise activity thermogenesis (NEAT) which includes activities such as fidgeting and normal everyday walking. It is my opinion (and this is based off of some research) that "naturally thin" people have a relatively much higher NEAT rate than others. In other words they fidget, move around, walk faster, are more physically expressive, talk more, etc. than others. On top of that, other people probably overestimate how much they actually eat.

I also believe that this is what’s behind some of the weight gain that happens when people go on antidepressant and/or antianxiety medication. They are less nervous and anxious so they fidget a lot less and stay more calm and docile on top of just eating more because they are out with people eating, drinking and being merry!

It really comes down to balancing an equation, but the equation is more complicated than people realize. It's not magic!

Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12468415