checkout my idea for improving America's health
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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it
So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.
Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.
It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.
Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.
This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.
Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.0 -
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
No, shaming gives people more problems. Do you know how many young women in this country binge and purge and have all sorts of eating disorders because of fat shaming? I agree that people should make healthy changes and should strive to be healthy and yes, there could be some positive things implemented like more awareness and such but I don't believe shaming people is positive and is really going to help. It's only going to push people away and NOT inspire them to want to be healthy.0 -
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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it
So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.
Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.
It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.
Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.
This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.
Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.
It's more for kids and teenagers, though. I'm sure shaming smokers and drug addicts didn't stop the smokers and drug addicts, but I think it's a safe bet that it saved an untold amount of lives by scaring kids and teenagers to not do them.
We need to fat shame on that exact level that we did with smokers and drug addicts. I didn't properly express that earlier, but like I posted earlier, I'm revising everything as I read these posts, you know.0 -
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
No, shaming gives people more problems. Do you know how many young women in this country binge and purge and have all sorts of eating disorders because of fat shaming? I agree that people should make healthy changes and should strive to be healthy and yes, there could be some positive things implemented like more awareness and such but I don't believe shaming people is positive and is really going to help. It's only going to push people away and NOT inspire them to want to be healthy.
in other words, you wouldn't have shamed smokers and drug addicts, when teaching kids about cigarettes and drugs, because of MUH FEEEELINGS0 -
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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it
So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.
Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.
It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.
Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.
This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.
Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.
It's more for kids and teenagers, though. I'm sure shaming smokers and drug addicts didn't stop the smokers and drug addicts, but I think it's a safe bet that it saved an untold amount of lives by scaring kids and teenagers to not do them.
We need to fat shame on that exact level that we did with smokers and drug addicts. I didn't properly express that earlier, but like I posted earlier, I'm revising everything as I read these posts, you know.
Soooo... no research, studies or proof then?
I also note you have in no way answered the shaming vs education point.0 -
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
No, shaming gives people more problems. Do you know how many young women in this country binge and purge and have all sorts of eating disorders because of fat shaming? I agree that people should make healthy changes and should strive to be healthy and yes, there could be some positive things implemented like more awareness and such but I don't believe shaming people is positive and is really going to help. It's only going to push people away and NOT inspire them to want to be healthy.
in other words, you wouldn't have shamed smokers and drug addicts, when teaching kids about cigarettes and drugs, because of MUH FEEEELINGS
you know what? I'm getting really sick of being compared with a goddamn crackhead because I need to lose weight. You are obviously a naive, narcissistic little girl with grandiose ideas and no grasp of psychology or of how the world, and people, work.
Or you're a really good troll with a LOT of time.0 -
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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it
So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.
Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.
It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.
Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.
This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.
Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.
It's more for kids and teenagers, though. I'm sure shaming smokers and drug addicts didn't stop the smokers and drug addicts, but I think it's a safe bet that it saved an untold amount of lives by scaring kids and teenagers to not do them.
We need to fat shame on that exact level that we did with smokers and drug addicts. I didn't properly express that earlier, but like I posted earlier, I'm revising everything as I read these posts, you know.
Soooo... no research, studies or proof then?
I also note you have in no way answered the shaming vs education point.
she asked for proof on how it'll stop current fat people from slimming down, when I'm talking about how it'll keep KIDS and TEENAGERS from overeating, as that'd be the goal.
So in that regard, you're legitimately wondering if shaming cigarette smokers has helped kids not smoke when they get older?0 -
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
No, shaming gives people more problems. Do you know how many young women in this country binge and purge and have all sorts of eating disorders because of fat shaming? I agree that people should make healthy changes and should strive to be healthy and yes, there could be some positive things implemented like more awareness and such but I don't believe shaming people is positive and is really going to help. It's only going to push people away and NOT inspire them to want to be healthy.
in other words, you wouldn't have shamed smokers and drug addicts, when teaching kids about cigarettes and drugs, because of MUH FEEEELINGS
you know what? I'm getting really sick of being compared with a goddamn crackhead because I need to lose weight. You are obviously a naive, narcissistic little girl with grandiose ideas and no grasp of psychology or of how the world, and people, work.
Or you're a really good troll with a LOT of time.
Well true, it wouldn't be a drug addict, but yes you'll be compared with cigarette smokers, absolutely.0 -
in other words, you wouldn't have shamed smokers and drug addicts, when teaching kids about cigarettes and drugs, because of MUH FEEEELINGS
I don't believing in shaming people because I'm an adult and don't use childish bullying tactics. There's awareness and education and then there's what you're talking about...and that's two totally different things. Awareness - YES but why feel the need to fat shame?
Grow up.0 -
you know what? I'm getting really sick of being compared with a goddamn crackhead because I need to lose weight. You are obviously a naive, narcissistic little girl with grandiose ideas and no grasp of psychology or of how the world, and people, work.
Or you're a really good troll with a LOT of time.
I second this.0 -
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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it
So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.
Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.
It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.
Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.
This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.
Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.
It's more for kids and teenagers, though. I'm sure shaming smokers and drug addicts didn't stop the smokers and drug addicts, but I think it's a safe bet that it saved an untold amount of lives by scaring kids and teenagers to not do them.
We need to fat shame on that exact level that we did with smokers and drug addicts. I didn't properly express that earlier, but like I posted earlier, I'm revising everything as I read these posts, you know.
Soooo... no research, studies or proof then?
I also note you have in no way answered the shaming vs education point.
she asked for proof on how it'll stop current fat people from slimming down, when I'm talking about how it'll keep KIDS and TEENAGERS from overeating, as that'd be the goal.
So in that regard, you're legitimately wondering if shaming cigarette smokers has helped kids not smoke when they get older?
I'm asking for proof, studies, research, not your 'pretty good bet'. and for the hundredth time, I'm asking that you address the 'shaming' v. education point, as I live in a country where 34 years of government have agreed on the education/deterrence path to combat smoking, when they barely agree on anything else, with the effect of a substantial reduction in smokers.0 -
I don't remember any of the PSA's actively shaming the people in them. If anything it made me feel bad for them, they were trying to help you avoid their fate.0
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Please direct me to the studies that show fat shaming works for weight loss.
It's more for kids and teenagers, though. I'm sure shaming smokers and drug addicts didn't stop the smokers and drug addicts, but I think it's a safe bet that it saved an untold amount of lives by scaring kids and teenagers to not do them.
We need to fat shame on that exact level that we did with smokers and drug addicts. I didn't properly express that earlier, but like I posted earlier, I'm revising everything as I read these posts, you know.
Thank you for graciously proving my point: no research, no dice.0 -
I'm asking for proof, studies, research, not your 'pretty good bet'. and for the hundredth time, I'm asking that you address the 'shaming' v. education point, as I live in a country where 34 years of government have agreed on the education/deterrence path to combat smoking, when they barely agree on anything else, with the effect of a substantial reduction in smokers.
QFT: As a mother you know what I know for absolute certain? My children COPY ME. They do what I do, they say what I say, they emulate me! This is basic psychology! My son ran and placed 1st in a 2k race because I run.... this isn't rocket science. If you want to get to the kids, the parents need to be addressed first. You can't escape how you're raised. It's very hard to do things that are abnormal to your family's paradigm. Educate the parents and you'll get to the children.0 -
she asked for proof on how it'll stop current fat people from slimming down, when I'm talking about how it'll keep KIDS and TEENAGERS from overeating, as that'd be the goal.
So in that regard, you're legitimately wondering if shaming cigarette smokers has helped kids not smoke when they get older?
You have no proof on how fat shaming will deter teenagers from overeating either. None. Zip. Zilch. Every time you are confronted on a point and asked for proof you change your mind on what you're saying. You're backpeddling and you're not very good at it.
I've never seen any campaign that shamed smokers and drug addicts. The most powerful thing to me regarding smoking is a display at a children's fair that copied you "crawling" through a healthy lung and then "crawling" through a smoker's lung. That's not shame. That's education. That's showing cause and effect. Resorting to bullying is what children do because they have no way to cope with their own low self esteem.0 -
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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it
So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.
Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.
It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.
Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.
But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.
My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.
This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.
Kind of OT, but a) I thought kids simply found new drugs to abuse
b) You would attribute the reduction of new smokers to one single thing? Nevermind the people who dedicated decades to awareness education, legislation banning or reducing smoking in public places, studying and publicizing the links between smoking and diseases. It's all about the shaming!
c) If this is about shaming of overweight teens, isn't this already done by *kitten* in schools nationwide? Can you give any data on the success of this approach and why we would then nationalize a further attack on children??
I don't believing in shaming people. There's awareness and education and then there's what you're talking about...and that's two totally different things. Awareness - YES but why feel the need to fat shame?
Grow up.
And that, quite literally, takes years.0 -
Change the lame stigma on eating well, as well as being overweight. Shame people who are fat, in a similar way that we do with people who smoke cigarettes.
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So much no.. I understand part of your reasoning but seriousely shaming body images is a HUGE NO for me.0 -
I advise you to just stop posting, OP.
You know your ideas are unrealistic. You have no mechanism with which to accomplish what you want to do, and you think for some reason that you can just make money appear out of thin air to support you.
You can't back up what you're saying with any scientific studies or research, because your ideas are not based on fact but your own emotion. You want the government to take care of people as if it's some kind of benevolent force, when really all you'd be doing is messing with the economy and limiting personal freedom.
You've not provided any evidence that shaming people works to reduce obesity.
You've not provided any evidence that taxing food products works to reduce obesity.
You've not provided any evidence that your ideas are even feasible.
You've not provided any justification for taking people's EARNED money for your scheme.
Hell, you can't even define "healthy"
You can't even put a price tag on ONE of your big-government suggestions.
The government can't be your mommy and your daddy. Stop. Realize that with maturity comes the burden of being responsible for yourself. Realize that you're essentially trying to force people to pay their own money to support others who can't even help themselves.0 -
My 2 cents is that thinking Europeans are somehow thinner is an old myth and if it was ever true, it isn't any more.
Uhm, from personal experience I can say that I noticed a huge difference between Europeans and Americans. Well, between Europeans and people from Florida anyway. I tried to order a 'normal' breakfast in Miami and got served the biggest hamburger I've ever seen, with a side of fries and crocodile nuggets. I don't think I've seen much veggies on my trip. In the Netherlands you would get served a slice of bread with cheese .
All kidding aside, the PORTION SIZE seems to be the problem. A small US portion would be a medium or large portion here. Also 'easy' food. It's everywhere!0 -
My 2 cents is that thinking Europeans are somehow thinner is an old myth and if it was ever true, it isn't any more.
Uhm, from personal experience I can say that I noticed a huge difference between Europeans and Americans. Well, between Europeans and people from Florida anyway. I tried to order a 'normal' breakfast in Miami and got served the biggest hamburger I've ever seen, with a side of fries and crocodile nuggets. I don't think I've seen much veggies on my trip. In the Netherlands you would get served a slice of bread with cheese .
All kidding aside, the PORTION SIZE seems to be the problem. A small US portion would be a medium or large portion here. Also 'easy' food. It's everywhere!
And in the restaurants we hit up in Barcelona, no free soda refills. What the..??! They also charged us for the bread they'd bring in before dinner so we had to start telling them not to bring those. Bread, chips, all that pre meal stuff. I could do without those, but when they show up on the table I just start mindlessly grazing.0 -
OP, what entire generation has avoided drugs?
Shaming the overweight has been a part of American culture for as long as it has been socially unappealing to be heavier. Shamed children and adults don't give up easy, available coping methods. There are very few overweight people who want to be overweight. Many shame themselves more than any campaign could do.
If you want to try some education initiatives, teach impulse control and how to deal with temptation and stress. Teach other ways of rewarding, soothing, and celebrating other than food. (Not instead of, but in addition to, because delicious food is rewarding, and you can't fight biology.) Comparing a fried egg to your brain is catchy, but when you are older and a number of your peers are shaming you for not trying it, that egg doesn't do much to teach you how to be ok saying no. (Does it help some kids? I'm sure. ) Take drugs out of it; there is no realistic world where temptation won't be readily available to most of us and most of our children when it comes to food. This is a part of culture that has just changed. (In populations with sufficient resources, anyway.)
Shame all you like, but if the person feeling miserable already struggles with moderation and comforting himself, he's just going to go grab a bag of chips and eat the whole thing. Because it was a couple of bucks, it was good, and he's so fat, people think it's ok to treat him as less than. He'll feel, "I'll always be this way, why try? May as well stay this way and feel good." Or, "I'll change tomorrow. Today I feel like crap." Will it reach someone? Probably. But as you pointed out, this isn't about individuals. If you are trying to help the most people possible, shame won't work.0 -
Everywhere I go I see someone with a smoke hanging out of their mouth everyone and their mother smokes cigarettes so obviously shaming doesn't work. I don't smoke and don't pick on people who chose to do so. Same goes for fat shaming I am not saying we have to make extra wide chairs and have them only pay for 1 seat on an airplane when they need 2 I am fat and I have the right to walk around in public without being made fun of or called a fat *kitten*.
. Shame people who are fat, in a similar way that we do with people who smoke cigarettes.
It's not acceptable to shame people or make fun of them WTF everyone has the right to exist without feeling like a piece of **** even if they smoke or are fat who cares
Except it's entirely acceptable to shame people.
We did just that with people who smoke cigs. As a kid, I remember watching kid shows, and in commercial breaks I'd normally see commercials that would shame cigarette smokers. You know, giving us the impression that people who smoke cigarettes and what have you are losers.
They didn't worry about hurting people's feelings, and it indeed gave a generation of kids that smoking is lame. I'm sure it was the same in the 80s and perhaps 70s, too. No doubt the same with 2000s kids, and on up.
This is what we need to do with fat people.
We need to convince the public that overeating is about just as bad as cigarette smoking. This whole 'fat acceptance movement' is 100% illogical, and needs to abolished in the same way we abolished the image that smoking is cool.
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hmmm sounds like more government involvement….brilliant! I mean they are doing such a great job of running the post office, health are and every other aspect of our lives..why not them have more involvement in taxing what we eat and drink….
can we also get everyone a free gym membership while we are at it?
OP - whatever happened to personal responsibility…
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Many of your ideas are great, but the Food Industry, Big Pharma, the corporations involved fight using highly financed ads and commercials--- so people are always encouraged by those industries to buy more, eat more then take pills to control the predictable results.
oh yes blame the "big corporations" so its not the persons fault that sites around and stuffs their face with donuts all day …oh no, it is the big bad corporations that made them do it…
the food overlords tell us when to eat, how much to eat, and what to eat…we have no choice..
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Generally I see a lot less people smoking than 20 years ago, say. If anything, you expect to SEE more now, as they tend to be forced out on to the streets and so on.Everywhere I go I see someone with a smoke hanging out of their mouth everyone and their mother smokes cigarettes so obviously shaming doesn't work. I don't smoke and don't pick on people who chose to do so.
Do you disagree with all sorts of 'shaming'? What about drunk driving? How about sexual abuse? Violence?0 -
hmmm sounds like more government involvement….brilliant! I mean they are doing such a great job of running the post office, health are and every other aspect of our lives..why not them have more involvement in taxing what we eat and drink….
can we also get everyone a free gym membership while we are at it?
OP - whatever happened to personal responsibility…
your program = fail
Or how about we elect a government that passes generous write offs and tax breaks for buying fresh meat and fruit and veggies and for gym usage and for being as healthy as one can be given their financial circumstances and past health history? Tax breaks good, right?0 -
Drunk drivers and sex offenders hurt other people. Fat people and smokers only hurting themselves. I wouldn't shame someone for getting a dui even if I don't think they should be drinking and driving. Sex offenders are an exception because they are predators and hurting women and kids
Generally I see a lot less people smoking than 20 years ago, say. If anything, you expect to SEE more now, as they tend to be forced out on to the streets and so on.Everywhere I go I see someone with a smoke hanging out of their mouth everyone and their mother smokes cigarettes so obviously shaming doesn't work. I don't smoke and don't pick on people who chose to do so.
Do you disagree with all sorts of 'shaming'? What about drunk driving? How about sexual abuse? Violence?0 -
Fat shaming and controlling everything I ingest? No thank you.
This post is utterly ridiculous.
Believe me, I'm sure some cigarette smokers were furious when they were stereotyped as the degenerates of society, in anti-smoking propaganda aimed at kids, but imagine all the lives were saved as the result.
This is true, actually. But in the case of unhealthy eating habits, I think rewards in the form of massive tax breaks for living healthy rather than punishment for bad habits is the better way to go.
Oh, and food stamps and social security will have to be overhauled, and we better look at raising the minimum wage, too, because right now a lot of people can't afford to eat healthy.0 -
Fat shaming and controlling everything I ingest? No thank you.
This post is utterly ridiculous.
Believe me, I'm sure some cigarette smokers were furious when they were stereotyped as the degenerates of society, in anti-smoking propaganda aimed at kids, but imagine all the lives were saved as the result.
right now a lot of people can't afford to eat healthy.
Sounds like a nice excuse, doesn't it? That's all that is. I can stay within a healthy weight range, get proper nutrition and exercise on a very low budget. It requires the ability to read, which I know under special circumstances some can't, but a majority of the populace has this capability.0 -
Or they might be women doing stuff to men.Sex offenders are an exception because they are predators and hurting women and kids
BUT - you've said you don't think 'shaming' works, but you do still think it's ok to do.
Personally, I wish more people DID 'shame' me for being overweight - I hide it well with a big chest* so I tended to get people saying "oh, you don't need to lose weight", which doesn't really help.
(*Current BMI is 26.5, I just checked, do have a bit of muscle but still need to lose maybe 25lb of fat - however my belly does go IN below my ribs/upper abs because of said big chest.)
Plenty of times I've had people 'shaming' me for things which I don't care about or am happy with - (for instance that I'm calorie counting and so on) - I don't let it bother me because I'm happy with my choice. If someone did come up to me and point out I needed to lose a few lb then also, I would tend to agree with them rather than denying it and trying to hide away from reality.0
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