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Greytfish

Everywhere I go I see someone with a smoke hanging out of their mouth everyone and their mother smokes cigarettes so obviously shaming doesn't work. I don't smoke and don't pick on people who chose to do so.

Generally I see a lot less people smoking than 20 years ago, say. If anything, you expect to SEE more now, as they tend to be forced out on to the streets and so on.
Do you disagree with all sorts of 'shaming'? What about drunk driving? How about sexual abuse? Violence?

Drunk drivers and sex offenders hurt other people. Fat people and smokers only hurting themselves. I wouldn't shame someone for getting a dui even if I don't think they should be drinking and driving. Sex offenders are an exception because they are predators and hurting women and kids

Well, no. We all pay for the hoorendous food choices made by some.

Also, a pedophile has a mental illness. Like most pervasive MIs, it's not something anyone would choose. Overating is a choice.

The excuse that people cannot afford to eat sufficient to maintain health body composition is just talk. There are people who are so poor that they are forced to rely on food banks which are notorious for processed and nutrient decisient foods. That group is the most stable group in the economic spectrum. what has changed is how people who can afford shopped-for food have made their choices.

WendyTerry420

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The number of people with genetic conditions is always low... until you're the one who has it

So? You shouldn't govern based off the chance of hurting a few people's feelings, or you won't get anything done.

Obama knew that people would lose some health care when he was campaigning for Obamacare, but lied about it anyway. He did this because he knew that when everything is said and done, some time from now more people will be on healthcare than without it. If you govern based off emotions rather than fact you won't get anything done.

It's not about hurting people's feelings: it's about doing the right thing. Shaming doesn't work. Period. Shaming someone and not knowing if they have a health condition based on assumption is borderline psychopathic. Furthermore, people who are fat are more at risk to be depressed. But that's OK, because in your mind it's probably a good thing to push someone to the edge of suicide.

Bottom line: your assertions aren't researched and offer no real solutions to the ever increasing problem of obesity. You can say all you want "decrease the cost of food" but it doesn't address how. I'm also pretty sure that low income families have access to this wonderful program called food stamps that help with the cost of food. Same with WIC. Did you know you can take WIC vouchers and food stamps to farmer's markets? If there are other programs in place that subsidize the cost of food why is there still a heavy obesity epidemic among the lower class? We should just shame them for being poor, right? Because obviously the correlational evidence suggests that they are fat because they're poor. Please, go do some research into your assertions and how they're ALREADY being addressed and find constructive solutions.

But shaming DOES work. It entirely works.


My entire generation avoided drugs because we didn't want to end up like the losers we saw in every TV commercial when watching our cartoons and what not growing up. Really, half the PA campaign for getting kids to not smoke cigarettes or do drugs was shaming the people who do that.

This needs to absolutely done, and the Fat Acceptance movement needs to be completely eradicated.

Clearly you have not met everyone in *your* generation. I have several 24 yr old tweakers in my neighborhood that were DARE graduates.

kgeyser

Fat shaming and controlling everything I ingest? No thank you.

This post is utterly ridiculous.

Believe me, I'm sure some cigarette smokers were furious when they were stereotyped as the degenerates of society, in anti-smoking propaganda aimed at kids, but imagine all the lives were saved as the result.

right now a lot of people can't afford to eat healthy.

Sounds like a nice excuse, doesn't it? That's all that is. I can stay within a healthy weight range, get proper nutrition and exercise on a very low budget. It requires the ability to read, which I know under special circumstances some can't, but a majority of the populace has this capability.

It also depends on where you are located geographically. I live in northern Virginia. The cost of living and food prices here are outrageous. The same food budget went twice as far when I was living in NC. Even buying produce locally from the farmer's market isn't a cost savings, because their prices are comparable to the grocery stores. Meat prices are through the roof at the groceries and even higher at the farmer's markets.

ndj1979

hmmm sounds like more government involvement….brilliant! I mean they are doing such a great job of running the post office, health are and every other aspect of our lives..why not them have more involvement in taxing what we eat and drink….

can we also get everyone a free gym membership while we are at it?

OP - whatever happened to personal responsibility…

your program = fail

Or how about we elect a government that passes generous write offs and tax breaks for buying fresh meat and fruit and veggies and for gym usage and for being as healthy as one can be given their financial circumstances and past health history? Tax breaks good, right?

government subsides just distort the market....no where in my post did I say anything about tax breaks...you have tried to once again stereotype me into something I am not...nice try though..

Greytfish

Sounds like a nice excuse, doesn't it? That's all that is. I can stay within a healthy weight range, get proper nutrition and exercise on a very low budget. It requires the ability to read, which I know under special circumstances some can't, but a majority of the populace has this capability.

It also depends on where you are located geographically. I live in northern Virginia. The cost of living and food prices here are outrageous. The same food budget went twice as far when I was living in NC. Even buying produce locally from the farmer's market isn't a cost savings, because their prices are comparable to the grocery stores. Meat prices are through the roof at the groceries and even higher at the farmer's markets.

The problem with that logic is that it misses the point. In NoVA food is considerably higher in price than in states above and below it on the eastern seaboard. What doesn't change is the relationship between the costs of healthy food in NoVA relative to the cost of unhealthy foods. It is more expensive to eat across the board.