Gluten. Dairy. Sugar.

jonnythan

Really not here to debate and defend my position.

Ahh right. You want to be able to say things and not have them called out, criticized, or questioned in any way.

I think you meant this to be a blog post, not a forum post. Forums are for discussion.

So.. what "chemicals" are in processed sugar that aren't in bananas?

You just like picking on everyone, don't ya??

With fruits, you get plenty of antioxidants and vitamins. Eating a banana vs eating a chocolate chip cookie, big difference.

But you didn't really answer the question which was what "chemicals" are in processed sugar that isn't in a banana.

Not "what other nutrients does a banana have? "

That all depends on what you're eating that contains processed sugar.

So it's not the sugar that's the problem then......... yes?

dayone987

Really not here to debate and defend my position.

Ahh right. You want to be able to say things and not have them called out, criticized, or questioned in any way.

I think you meant this to be a blog post, not a forum post. Forums are for discussion.

So.. what "chemicals" are in processed sugar that aren't in bananas?

You just like picking on everyone, don't ya??

With fruits, you get plenty of antioxidants and vitamins. Eating a banana vs eating a chocolate chip cookie, big difference.

But you didn't really answer the question which was what "chemicals" are in processed sugar that isn't in a banana.

Not "what other nutrients does a banana have? "

That all depends on what you're eating that contains processed sugar.

No. The questions is what chemical is in processed sugar that isn't in a banana.

Do you think that adding a another substance to sugar changes the chemical nature of it?
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Ctrum69

So it's not the sugar that's the problem then......... yes?

Personally, I think the "problem" is added sugar where it just doesn't have to be.

we just keep making stuff sweeter.

anyone watching what they eat will notice it, and probably make informed choices, but the fact that we even NEED boards like this shows that our food supply, and our activity, are not conducive to 'good choices" societally.

WhiteRabbit1313

I think he was saying that you can't really know "the truth," because "most" of the studies are sponsored by those entities.

To be fair, you can't simply ignore a scientific study because of who sponsored it.

Can be a red flag, but if people want to truly attack a study, they should try to find something wrong with the scientific process or methodology.

Oh. My position was completely neutral. I don't care to dig deeper. I only care what works for me.

Gemmz2014

No. The questions is what chemical is in processed sugar that isn't in a banana.

Do you think that adding a another substance to sugar changes the chemical nature of it?
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I believe processed sugar is just sugar, no chemicals, right?

Look what I found:

Question: “I have questions about sugar. When articles discuss sugar and how bad it is for you (See: Are You Eating Too Much Sugar?) , are they referring also to natural sugar which is found in almost everything?

This is one area that I’ve always been confused about. When tracking my calories and nutritional info, I always noticed my grams of sugar eaten throughout the day was quite high, although it almost all came from natural sugar.” – Bryce

Answer: Bryce – That’s a great question. In short, processed, or refined sugars are derived from sugar cane, or beets and ideally be avoided. Processed sugar, referred to scientifically as “sucrose”, is not only totally devoid of nutrients, but has added chemicals and raises blood sugar levels faster so you get energy/hunger swings. Think white table sugar, sugar in candy bars, or added sugar in fruit drinks.

Regarding “natural” sugar, all plants produce sugar as a byproduct of photosynthesis. Fruits and vegetables have sugar in the form of fructose, which is broken down more slowly by the body than sucrose. In addition, fruits and veggies boast vitamins and minerals also have fiber to slow down the digestion of their natural sugars, which leads to more stable blood sugar levels.

At the end of the day, fat loss is primarily about calorie intake, but controlling sugar intake can help control hunger and allow fat stores to more readily release fat (insulin is more controlled). Hope that’s helpful! We definitely need to explore this concept of different types of sugars, how they affect insulin and fat storage, so thanks for the question. I’ve added it to our “new ideas” article database.

- Marc ( Marc Perry, CSCS, CPT)

mccindy72

Really not here to debate and defend my position.

Ahh right. You want to be able to say things and not have them called out, criticized, or questioned in any way.

I think you meant this to be a blog post, not a forum post. Forums are for discussion.

So.. what "chemicals" are in processed sugar that aren't in bananas?

You just like picking on everyone, don't ya??

With fruits, you get plenty of antioxidants and vitamins. Eating a banana vs eating a chocolate chip cookie, big difference.

Why not both? As long as you stay within your calorie goal, there's no reason not to have both of them, and enjoy them for their own merits.

I do have both an intolerance to gluten and dairy. There are ways to have chocolate chip cookies with those intolerances.

Any food is fine, as long as it is enjoyed in moderation. People need to learn not to be afraid of food, just to learn to enjoy some things as occasional treats. It's a better system, they're more enjoyed when they are not eaten as frequently.

I agree with you, if you're able to enjoy just one or two cookies without over doing it, also, if you don't have an intolerance to gluten.

mccindy72

So it's not the sugar that's the problem then......... yes?

Personally, I think the "problem" is added sugar where it just doesn't have to be.

we just keep making stuff sweeter.

anyone watching what they eat will notice it, and probably make informed choices, but the fact that we even NEED boards like this shows that our food supply, and our activity, are not conducive to 'good choices" societally.

It doesn't matter what choices are made, societally. What matters are the choices that are made, individually.

Ctrum69

So it's not the sugar that's the problem then......... yes?

Personally, I think the "problem" is added sugar where it just doesn't have to be.

we just keep making stuff sweeter.

anyone watching what they eat will notice it, and probably make informed choices, but the fact that we even NEED boards like this shows that our food supply, and our activity, are not conducive to 'good choices" societally.

It doesn't matter what choices are made, societally. What matters are the choices that are made, individually.

No argument. However, if all you are presented with from the time you start feeding yourself, are overly sugared sweet things, (breakfast cereals, "healthy" bran muffins with icing on them, "power bars" that are mostly just three kinds of sugar with some birdseed mixed in, etc), then there's a fair likelihood that some dietary retraining is going to be needed when you DO start to make the individual choices.

If believing that added, refined sugar is da debil, and eating only natural sugars in their occuring forms helps someone make better dietary choices, more power to em.

refined sugar doesn't have "extra chemicals" in it.. it's just sugar. But it doesn't have ANYTHING but sugar in it. And it's often found in foods high in other things that people may have reactions to. (artifcial colors, flavors, preservatives, etc).

jonnythan

I believe processed sugar is just sugar, no chemicals, right?

Wrong. Sugar is a chemical.

“sucrose”, is not only totally devoid of nutrients

This is literally a lie. Sucrose itself is literally a nutrient.

but has added chemicals and raises blood sugar levels faster so you get energy/hunger swings.

Also literally a lie. There are no added chemicals in sucrose, and it does not raise blood sugar levels faster than other sugars.

Think white table sugar, sugar in candy bars, or added sugar in fruit drinks.

Misleading, if not also a lie. The added sugar in fruit drinks (and often candy bars) is not sucrose but high fructose corn syrup.

Fruits and vegetables have sugar in the form of fructose, which is broken down more slowly by the body than sucrose.

Also false. Many fruits and vegetables have sugar that is that not fructose, and fructose is not "broken down more slowly."

This type of BS article filled with BS and lies and misinformation is why you shouldn't get your information from dietary advice columns on the internet.

Gemmz2014

Jonnythan.... If what I posted from google was misinformation or a lie, how does one know what to believe then? Why does information have to be so darn misleading?

What do you do for a living that you are very knowledgeable in this?

jonnythan

Jonnythan.... If what I posted from google was misinformation or a lie, how does one know what to believe then? Why does information have to be so darn misleading?

What do you do for a living that you are very knowledgeable in this?

Science. It's a pretty great thing.

But you can start by ignoring these blogs and whatnot. If you don't want to or lack the knowledge or experience to examine and understand the science yourself, your best bet is to find people who are unbiased, not trying to sell you books or website memberships, not trying to scare you away from demon nutrients, have a track record of personal success, and can back up all of their arguments and claims with peer-reviewed science.

Anyway, what I do for a living is not related to nutrition or chemistry.

mccindy72

Jonnythan.... If what I posted from google was misinformation or a lie, how does one know what to believe then? Why does information have to be so darn misleading?

What do you do for a living that you are very knowledgeable in this?

This is the danger of Dr. Google. You can find a hundred different websites, giving you a hundred different kinds of information. You're better off verifying sources as scientfically-based. Johnnythan knows this information because he's done his (scientifically-based) research.

fitbetty1125

I suspect that I have a dairy/wheat intolerance, and googled it to see if there were meal ideas out there for this kind of diet, and this forum popped up. I read the op's success story, and then several of the ignorant, rude responses. Don't all of you want to lose weight (it looks like some of you have already done so- good for you!)? Why on earth wouldn't you be supportive of someone who found something that worked for her?
I find it odd that people who have gotten themselves to the point of being overweight and then lost weight would be so scathing towards a person on a similar path.
There is so much information out there that supports what the op has experienced. You don't have to read medical journals to find it, either. Just pick up a mainstream magazine or find a high quality information source. Ever heard of gut bacteria and how changes in your intestinal flora can lead to obesity or weight loss? Dairy and gluten sensitivities are both results of bacterial activity- and guess what? Everyone's intestinal flora profile is DIFFERENT! It is not as simple as calorie deficit + exercise= weight loss for all bodies. Get your heads out of the 1980's and inform yourselves before you tear into some person who is sharing what helped her. I have never been overweight myself (I guess I am a "special snowflake" to quote a pp :eyeroll), but I can appreciate that the op, and several other posters who have been treated with similar disdain, found something the works for her body and is sharing that.
I would NEVER recommend this board to ANYONE. I suggest that you lovely folks find something better to do with your time and energy than spreading 1980's era weight loss "facts" and advice online. There's a lot of new research out there. Educate yourselves, and maybe even evolve a little.
Asshats.

jonnythan

It is not as simple as calorie deficit + exercise= weight loss for all bodies.

It actually is, despite what you read in grocery store checkout aisle magazines.

jofjltncb6

I suspect that I have a dairy/wheat intolerance, and googled it to see if there were meal ideas out there for this kind of diet, and this forum popped up. I read the op's success story, and then several of the ignorant, rude responses. Don't all of you want to lose weight (it looks like some of you have already done so- good for you!)? Why on earth wouldn't you be supportive of someone who found something that worked for her?
I find it odd that people who have gotten themselves to the point of being overweight and then lost weight would be so scathing towards a person on a similar path.
There is so much information out there that supports what the op has experienced. You don't have to read medical journals to find it, either. Just pick up a mainstream magazine or find a high quality information source. Ever heard of gut bacteria and how changes in your intestinal flora can lead to obesity or weight loss? Dairy and gluten sensitivities are both results of bacterial activity- and guess what? Everyone's intestinal flora profile is DIFFERENT! It is not as simple as calorie deficit + exercise= weight loss for all bodies. Get your heads out of the 1980's and inform yourselves before you tear into some person who is sharing what helped her. I have never been overweight myself (I guess I am a "special snowflake" to quote a pp :eyeroll), but I can appreciate that the op, and several other posters who have been treated with similar disdain, found something the works for her body and is sharing that.
I would NEVER recommend this board to ANYONE. I suggest that you lovely folks find something better to do with your time and energy than spreading 1980's era weight loss "facts" and advice online. There's a lot of new research out there. Educate yourselves, and maybe even evolve a little.
Asshats.

Strong first post.

Lots of bogus, but still strongly stated.

snazzyjazzy21

I suspect that I have a dairy/wheat intolerance, and googled it to see if there were meal ideas out there for this kind of diet, and this forum popped up. I read the op's success story, and then several of the ignorant, rude responses. Don't all of you want to lose weight (it looks like some of you have already done so- good for you!)? Why on earth wouldn't you be supportive of someone who found something that worked for her?
I find it odd that people who have gotten themselves to the point of being overweight and then lost weight would be so scathing towards a person on a similar path.
There is so much information out there that supports what the op has experienced. You don't have to read medical journals to find it, either. Just pick up a mainstream magazine or find a high quality information source. Ever heard of gut bacteria and how changes in your intestinal flora can lead to obesity or weight loss? Dairy and gluten sensitivities are both results of bacterial activity- and guess what? Everyone's intestinal flora profile is DIFFERENT! It is not as simple as calorie deficit + exercise= weight loss for all bodies. Get your heads out of the 1980's and inform yourselves before you tear into some person who is sharing what helped her. I have never been overweight myself (I guess I am a "special snowflake" to quote a pp :eyeroll), but I can appreciate that the op, and several other posters who have been treated with similar disdain, found something the works for her body and is sharing that.
I would NEVER recommend this board to ANYONE. I suggest that you lovely folks find something better to do with your time and energy than spreading 1980's era weight loss "facts" and advice online. There's a lot of new research out there. Educate yourselves, and maybe even evolve a little.
Asshats.

Strong first post.

Lots of bogus, but still strongly stated.

I wanna know how I can evolve a little. Is this like pokemon? How do I level up? Tell me your secrets...

BrainyBurro

I suspect that I have a dairy/wheat intolerance, and googled it to see if there were meal ideas out there for this kind of diet, and this forum popped up. I read the op's success story, and then several of the ignorant, rude responses. Don't all of you want to lose weight (it looks like some of you have already done so- good for you!)? Why on earth wouldn't you be supportive of someone who found something that worked for her?
I find it odd that people who have gotten themselves to the point of being overweight and then lost weight would be so scathing towards a person on a similar path.
There is so much information out there that supports what the op has experienced. You don't have to read medical journals to find it, either. Just pick up a mainstream magazine or find a high quality information source. Ever heard of gut bacteria and how changes in your intestinal flora can lead to obesity or weight loss? Dairy and gluten sensitivities are both results of bacterial activity- and guess what? Everyone's intestinal flora profile is DIFFERENT! It is not as simple as calorie deficit + exercise= weight loss for all bodies. Get your heads out of the 1980's and inform yourselves before you tear into some person who is sharing what helped her. I have never been overweight myself (I guess I am a "special snowflake" to quote a pp :eyeroll), but I can appreciate that the op, and several other posters who have been treated with similar disdain, found something the works for her body and is sharing that.
I would NEVER recommend this board to ANYONE. I suggest that you lovely folks find something better to do with your time and energy than spreading 1980's era weight loss "facts" and advice online. There's a lot of new research out there. Educate yourselves, and maybe even evolve a little.
Asshats.

SugaryLynx

Ooooh. This thread again. Good, I was getting bored

Achrya

I suspect that I have a dairy/wheat intolerance, and googled it to see if there were meal ideas out there for this kind of diet, and this forum popped up. I read the op's success story, and then several of the ignorant, rude responses. Don't all of you want to lose weight (it looks like some of you have already done so- good for you!)? Why on earth wouldn't you be supportive of someone who found something that worked for her?
I find it odd that people who have gotten themselves to the point of being overweight and then lost weight would be so scathing towards a person on a similar path.
There is so much information out there that supports what the op has experienced. You don't have to read medical journals to find it, either. Just pick up a mainstream magazine or find a high quality information source. Ever heard of gut bacteria and how changes in your intestinal flora can lead to obesity or weight loss? Dairy and gluten sensitivities are both results of bacterial activity- and guess what? Everyone's intestinal flora profile is DIFFERENT! It is not as simple as calorie deficit + exercise= weight loss for all bodies. Get your heads out of the 1980's and inform yourselves before you tear into some person who is sharing what helped her. I have never been overweight myself (I guess I am a "special snowflake" to quote a pp :eyeroll), but I can appreciate that the op, and several other posters who have been treated with similar disdain, found something the works for her body and is sharing that.
I would NEVER recommend this board to ANYONE. I suggest that you lovely folks find something better to do with your time and energy than spreading 1980's era weight loss "facts" and advice online. There's a lot of new research out there. Educate yourselves, and maybe even evolve a little.
Asshats.

Strong first post.

Lots of bogus, but still strongly stated.

I wanna know how I can evolve a little. Is this like pokemon? How do I level up? Tell me your secrets...

Maybe more like Digimon, where you can evolve and then devolve only to evolve again? Hence 'evolve a little'?

determinedbutlazy

Gluten, dairy, sugar....

ARE WE HAVING PANCAKES?!

SugaryLynx

I suspect that I have a dairy/wheat intolerance, and googled it to see if there were meal ideas out there for this kind of diet, and this forum popped up. I read the op's success story, and then several of the ignorant, rude responses. Don't all of you want to lose weight (it looks like some of you have already done so- good for you!)? Why on earth wouldn't you be supportive of someone who found something that worked for her?
I find it odd that people who have gotten themselves to the point of being overweight and then lost weight would be so scathing towards a person on a similar path.
There is so much information out there that supports what the op has experienced. You don't have to read medical journals to find it, either. Just pick up a mainstream magazine or find a high quality information source. Ever heard of gut bacteria and how changes in your intestinal flora can lead to obesity or weight loss? Dairy and gluten sensitivities are both results of bacterial activity- and guess what? Everyone's intestinal flora profile is DIFFERENT! It is not as simple as calorie deficit + exercise= weight loss for all bodies. Get your heads out of the 1980's and inform yourselves before you tear into some person who is sharing what helped her. I have never been overweight myself (I guess I am a "special snowflake" to quote a pp :eyeroll), but I can appreciate that the op, and several other posters who have been treated with similar disdain, found something the works for her body and is sharing that.
I would NEVER recommend this board to ANYONE. I suggest that you lovely folks find something better to do with your time and energy than spreading 1980's era weight loss "facts" and advice online. There's a lot of new research out there. Educate yourselves, and maybe even evolve a little.
Asshats.

Strong first post.

Lots of bogus, but still strongly stated.

I wanna know how I can evolve a little. Is this like pokemon? How do I level up? Tell me your secrets...

Maybe more like Digimon, where you can evolve and then devolve only to evolve again? Hence 'evolve a little'?

Damnit, I hate being a badass for 15 minutes and being demoted to in training or rookie

stealthq

I suspect that I have a dairy/wheat intolerance, and googled it to see if there were meal ideas out there for this kind of diet, and this forum popped up. I read the op's success story, and then several of the ignorant, rude responses. Don't all of you want to lose weight (it looks like some of you have already done so- good for you!)? Why on earth wouldn't you be supportive of someone who found something that worked for her?
I find it odd that people who have gotten themselves to the point of being overweight and then lost weight would be so scathing towards a person on a similar path.
There is so much information out there that supports what the op has experienced. You don't have to read medical journals to find it, either. Just pick up a mainstream magazine or find a high quality information source. Ever heard of gut bacteria and how changes in your intestinal flora can lead to obesity or weight loss? Dairy and gluten sensitivities are both results of bacterial activity- and guess what? Everyone's intestinal flora profile is DIFFERENT! It is not as simple as calorie deficit + exercise= weight loss for all bodies. Get your heads out of the 1980's and inform yourselves before you tear into some person who is sharing what helped her. I have never been overweight myself (I guess I am a "special snowflake" to quote a pp :eyeroll), but I can appreciate that the op, and several other posters who have been treated with similar disdain, found something the works for her body and is sharing that.
I would NEVER recommend this board to ANYONE. I suggest that you lovely folks find something better to do with your time and energy than spreading 1980's era weight loss "facts" and advice online. There's a lot of new research out there. Educate yourselves, and maybe even evolve a little.
Asshats.

It's called the intestinal microbiome. Experiments have shown that changing your diet can cause rapid changes in the intestinal microbiome. Not surprisingly, there's a 3-way correlation between diet composition, microbiome composition, and weight gain/loss. There's no evidence to the best of my knowledge that shows that differences in the microbiome cause or even influence weight gain or loss.

If you don't have a peer-reviewed reference that shows otherwise, I'll be generous and assume that you've mistaken correlation for causation.

FYI - there are plenty of people on this board whose job it is to keep up with the most current scientific research in various fields, and others who do it as a hobby. Better come with peer-reviewed references if you want to challenge 'old' research.

kittenful

There is so much information out there that supports what the op has experienced. You don't have to read medical journals to find it, either. Just pick up a mainstream magazine or find a high quality information source.

Is your credible information source Google? It's certainly not a medical journal. I wouldn't trust mainstream magazines with my lifestyle choices. "Fad diet of the moment, wooooo!!! EVIL FOODS TO AVOID. Tone these areas because fats can be spot trained away!!!!" Seems legit, right?

The point I am trying to make here is that you don't have to eliminate all of these foods from your diet, unless there are medical reasons for it. Yeah, it may work, but is it something you're willing to give up to sustain the losses?

Elsie_Brownraisin

My friend gained a load of weight once she gave up gluten. True, coeliacs had done a job on her intestines and made her very malnourished and thin.

I don't understand why people cut things out of their diet if it's not medically necessary. However, my friend also said such people and their picky shopping habits have meant that there is a lot more choice of foods and treats out there now for her, instead of bread from the chemist.

skinnyeascolady

I am celiac and I cut out gluten only because I had too. Nuts are a thing of the past too. My body can't digest them. For dairy I only have kefir. No added sugar at all. I have not lost any weight yet from doing so. However my health is better and I can digest and get nutients from my food that I am eating again.

Perhaps the person in question had food intolorences that were undignosed. So in doing so her body began to function like it was supposed to once she got rid of what her/his body couldn't tolorate.

Not rocket science just common sense.

weather_nerd

IMHO, there is no such thing as an "EVIL" food.

Agreed, some individuals cannot eat certain things due to intolerances, conditions, etc.

Some individuals choose to give up certain foods because they find they function better without them. There's a BIG difference in saying you tried eliminating a certain food and it made you feel great, and saying you eliminated a certain food because everyone says it's evil.

BrainyBurro

IMHO, there is no such thing as an "EVIL" food.

wrong.

exhibit A. brussels sprouts
exhibit B. asparagus
exhibit C. black licorice

jofjltncb6

IMHO, there is no such thing as an "EVIL" food.

wrong.

exhibit A. brussels sprouts
exhibit B. asparagus
exhibit C. black licorice

This is why you and I can't be friends.

Brussel sprouts are delicious halved and sauteed in bacon grease or butter. Asparagus is delicious grilled w/ olive oil and salt. And black licorice is just delicious.

Now peanut butter...*that* is an evil food.

DianeinCA

Brussel sprouts are delicious halved and sauteed in bacon grease or butter. Asparagus is delicious grilled w/ olive oil and salt. And black licorice is just delicious.

I feel so ripped off that I listened to the anti Brussel sprout propagandists for so many years. Honestly,they are SO GOOD and I have been making up for lost time.

(Of course, to be fair, the Brussel sprout growers have been breeding strains to make them less bitter and therefore more palatable to the market.)

BrainyBurro

IMHO, there is no such thing as an "EVIL" food.

wrong.

exhibit A. brussels sprouts
exhibit B. asparagus
exhibit C. black licorice

This is why you and I can't be friends.

Brussel sprouts are delicious halved and sauteed in bacon grease or butter. Asparagus is delicious grilled w/ olive oil and salt. And black licorice is just delicious.

Now peanut butter...*that* is an evil food.

dirty hippie!