Biggest Loser Finale...what is going on??
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What makes you think that she is unhealthy? It said she was at 19% bodyfat. If that is unhealthy, then I guess I have one foot in the grave, and jillian 6 feet under. Yet I'm willing to bet that Rachel could probably outrun the majority of people making the negative comments about her.
Yes, she is very thin. But she is far from anorexic. And judging by the amount of negative comments on here and the internet in general, we have a huge perception problem in this country when it comes to what "healthy" looks like.
She's not at 19% bodyfat here, she was at 19% in the footage of the semi-final show presented last week but was filmed well before that. The amount of muscle and fat she lost from the time they filmed the portion of the show when it was declared she was at 19% bodyfat, to tonight's footage, is absolutely staggering. She is unhealthy right now.
She doesn't look unhealthy to me. Very thin? Yes. Dangerously thin and unhealthy? No.
Imho, it's not her current *state* that's the potentially dangerous part. It's that she got there so...fast. This appears to be the fastest fat/LBM loss on the show, ever. It doesn't set a healthy precedent.
Exactly. She basically went from the pic of her in the red dress on page 3 to this in a little over 3 months. NOT healthy.0 -
I am the one that started this topic and it was not set up to bash anyone thin or fat. I do think that this episode is going to raise the concern that a lot of people have had with the show as far as health. Do I think that someone can be underweight and be healthy? YES! Do I think that some can be overweight and healthy? YES! But beyond that, there gets to a point where unhealthy is unhealthy no matter how you tip the scale. On the skinny side, yes Nicole Richie is thin, but she is a slender healthy thin. What we saw tonight on Biggest Loser was a different level, at least what I saw. If we are too afraid to say it when we see it, then we are just as big as a problem than the people who call others "fat" or "twiggy". Its not about that...it is about being HEALTHY.
What makes you think that she is unhealthy? It said she was at 19% bodyfat. If that is unhealthy, then I guess I have one foot in the grave, and jillian 6 feet under. Yet I'm willing to bet that Rachel could probably outrun the majority of people making the negative comments about her.
Yes, she is very thin. But she is far from anorexic. And judging by the amount of negative comments on here and the internet in general, we have a huge perception problem in this country when it comes to what "healthy" looks like.
I believe Rachel was at 19% bf on the previous episode when she weighed in at 150 (the triathlon epi filmed 3 months ago). She was literally skin and bones tonight. It's not quite as obvious in the before/after pic posted earlier....but her absolute *frailty* was astonishing when the other contestants and Alison hugged her. She look like a light draft could blow her over like it was a gale force wind. It didn't look like shehad lost ssome muscle tone...it looked like she had lost nearly ALL her muscle. No way could she do a triathlon today...she wouldn't even have the strength to complete the swim. I have my doubts that she would even have the strength to tread water. I am seriously concerned for her health (both mental and physical), because I really identified with her on the show.
There is no way she is 5'4" and 150, with 19% bodyfat. Unless she was a body builder, which she obviously is not.
Were these her stats? I don't have trouble believing she could have been there. That's 121.5 lbs of LBM. Not unreasonable for someone her size. Obese people tend to carry a lot of LBM--some of it muscle, some connective tissue, etc. If she retained a decent amount, I could definitely see her having been 5'4, 150 @ 19%.
But were these her actual stats previously?Losing weight too fast is one thing. But that is not what people are saying on here. They are saying she is sickly, skin and bones, and anorexic. And it makes me wonder if they have ever seen somebody who is actually anorexic. Its a sad day for humanity when she is considered anorexic.
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I am the one that started this topic and it was not set up to bash anyone thin or fat. I do think that this episode is going to raise the concern that a lot of people have had with the show as far as health. Do I think that someone can be underweight and be healthy? YES! Do I think that some can be overweight and healthy? YES! But beyond that, there gets to a point where unhealthy is unhealthy no matter how you tip the scale. On the skinny side, yes Nicole Richie is thin, but she is a slender healthy thin. What we saw tonight on Biggest Loser was a different level, at least what I saw. If we are too afraid to say it when we see it, then we are just as big as a problem than the people who call others "fat" or "twiggy". Its not about that...it is about being HEALTHY.
What makes you think that she is unhealthy? It said she was at 19% bodyfat. If that is unhealthy, then I guess I have one foot in the grave, and jillian 6 feet under. Yet I'm willing to bet that Rachel could probably outrun the majority of people making the negative comments about her.
Yes, she is very thin. But she is far from anorexic. And judging by the amount of negative comments on here and the internet in general, we have a huge perception problem in this country when it comes to what "healthy" looks like.
I believe Rachel was at 19% bf on the previous episode when she weighed in at 150 (the triathlon epi filmed 3 months ago). She was literally skin and bones tonight. It's not quite as obvious in the before/after pic posted earlier....but her absolute *frailty* was astonishing when the other contestants and Alison hugged her. She look like a light draft could blow her over like it was a gale force wind. It didn't look like shehad lost ssome muscle tone...it looked like she had lost nearly ALL her muscle. No way could she do a triathlon today...she wouldn't even have the strength to complete the swim. I have my doubts that she would even have the strength to tread water. I am seriously concerned for her health (both mental and physical), because I really identified with her on the show.
There is no way she was 5'4" and 150, with only 19% bodyfat. Unless she was a body builder, which she obviously is not.
False. I am 5'5". When I weighed 170, I had my body fat tested in a bod pod and it was 21% (and I wore a size 10). I'm down to 162 now and my 10s are loose. She absolutely could be 5'4", 150 and 19%.0 -
What makes you think that she is unhealthy? It said she was at 19% bodyfat. If that is unhealthy, then I guess I have one foot in the grave, and jillian 6 feet under. Yet I'm willing to bet that Rachel could probably outrun the majority of people making the negative comments about her.
Yes, she is very thin. But she is far from anorexic. And judging by the amount of negative comments on here and the internet in general, we have a huge perception problem in this country when it comes to what "healthy" looks like.
She's not at 19% bodyfat here, she was at 19% in the footage of the semi-final show presented last week but was filmed well before that. The amount of muscle and fat she lost from the time they filmed the portion of the show when it was declared she was at 19% bodyfat, to tonight's footage, is absolutely staggering. She is unhealthy right now.
She doesn't look unhealthy to me. Very thin? Yes. Dangerously thin and unhealthy? No.
Imho, it's not her current *state* that's the potentially dangerous part. It's that she got there so...fast. This appears to be the fastest fat/LBM loss on the show, ever. It doesn't set a healthy precedent.
Exactly. She basically went from the pic of her in the red dress on page 3 to this in a little over 3 months. NOT healthy.
And the show is supposed to be promoting healthy *practices* or at least that's what most of America probably thinks. Nothing about the show's practices are truly healthy, are they?0 -
I am the one that started this topic and it was not set up to bash anyone thin or fat. I do think that this episode is going to raise the concern that a lot of people have had with the show as far as health. Do I think that someone can be underweight and be healthy? YES! Do I think that some can be overweight and healthy? YES! But beyond that, there gets to a point where unhealthy is unhealthy no matter how you tip the scale. On the skinny side, yes Nicole Richie is thin, but she is a slender healthy thin. What we saw tonight on Biggest Loser was a different level, at least what I saw. If we are too afraid to say it when we see it, then we are just as big as a problem than the people who call others "fat" or "twiggy". Its not about that...it is about being HEALTHY.
What makes you think that she is unhealthy? It said she was at 19% bodyfat. If that is unhealthy, then I guess I have one foot in the grave, and jillian 6 feet under. Yet I'm willing to bet that Rachel could probably outrun the majority of people making the negative comments about her.
Yes, she is very thin. But she is far from anorexic. And judging by the amount of negative comments on here and the internet in general, we have a huge perception problem in this country when it comes to what "healthy" looks like.
I believe Rachel was at 19% bf on the previous episode when she weighed in at 150 (the triathlon epi filmed 3 months ago). She was literally skin and bones tonight. It's not quite as obvious in the before/after pic posted earlier....but her absolute *frailty* was astonishing when the other contestants and Alison hugged her. She look like a light draft could blow her over like it was a gale force wind. It didn't look like shehad lost ssome muscle tone...it looked like she had lost nearly ALL her muscle. No way could she do a triathlon today...she wouldn't even have the strength to complete the swim. I have my doubts that she would even have the strength to tread water. I am seriously concerned for her health (both mental and physical), because I really identified with her on the show.
There is no way she is 5'4" and 150, with 19% bodyfat. Unless she was a body builder, which she obviously is not.
Were these her stats? I don't have trouble believing she could have been there. That's 121.5 lbs of LBM. Obese people tend to carry a lot of LBM, some of it muscle, some connective tissue, etc. If she retained a decent amount, I could definitely see her havig been 5'4, 150 @ 19%.
But were these her actual stats previously?
I know she is 5'4". Somebody else said 150. And I am telling you right now, as somebody who is 5'4" and muscular. No way she was 5'4", 150, and only 19% bodyfat. WAAAAAY OFF. I would say more like 25-30%0 -
I am the one that started this topic and it was not set up to bash anyone thin or fat. I do think that this episode is going to raise the concern that a lot of people have had with the show as far as health. Do I think that someone can be underweight and be healthy? YES! Do I think that some can be overweight and healthy? YES! But beyond that, there gets to a point where unhealthy is unhealthy no matter how you tip the scale. On the skinny side, yes Nicole Richie is thin, but she is a slender healthy thin. What we saw tonight on Biggest Loser was a different level, at least what I saw. If we are too afraid to say it when we see it, then we are just as big as a problem than the people who call others "fat" or "twiggy". Its not about that...it is about being HEALTHY.
What makes you think that she is unhealthy? It said she was at 19% bodyfat. If that is unhealthy, then I guess I have one foot in the grave, and jillian 6 feet under. Yet I'm willing to bet that Rachel could probably outrun the majority of people making the negative comments about her.
Yes, she is very thin. But she is far from anorexic. And judging by the amount of negative comments on here and the internet in general, we have a huge perception problem in this country when it comes to what "healthy" looks like.
I believe Rachel was at 19% bf on the previous episode when she weighed in at 150 (the triathlon epi filmed 3 months ago). She was literally skin and bones tonight. It's not quite as obvious in the before/after pic posted earlier....but her absolute *frailty* was astonishing when the other contestants and Alison hugged her. She look like a light draft could blow her over like it was a gale force wind. It didn't look like shehad lost ssome muscle tone...it looked like she had lost nearly ALL her muscle. No way could she do a triathlon today...she wouldn't even have the strength to complete the swim. I have my doubts that she would even have the strength to tread water. I am seriously concerned for her health (both mental and physical), because I really identified with her on the show.
There is no way she was 5'4" and 150, with only 19% bodyfat. Unless she was a body builder, which she obviously is not.
False. I am 5'5". When I weighed 170, I had my body fat tested in a bod pod and it was 21% (and I wore a size 10). I'm down to 162 now and my 10s are loose. She absolutely could be 5'4", 150 and 19%.
No offense, but I seriously question those results.0 -
Well said!
Guess contestants will now stop at nothing for money!
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Rachel almost made me cry! She looks
Like she's been doing unhealthy things to loose weight. Jillian was appalled.! Not fair to everyone else who did it the right way0 -
I am the one that started this topic and it was not set up to bash anyone thin or fat. I do think that this episode is going to raise the concern that a lot of people have had with the show as far as health. Do I think that someone can be underweight and be healthy? YES! Do I think that some can be overweight and healthy? YES! But beyond that, there gets to a point where unhealthy is unhealthy no matter how you tip the scale. On the skinny side, yes Nicole Richie is thin, but she is a slender healthy thin. What we saw tonight on Biggest Loser was a different level, at least what I saw. If we are too afraid to say it when we see it, then we are just as big as a problem than the people who call others "fat" or "twiggy". Its not about that...it is about being HEALTHY.
What makes you think that she is unhealthy? It said she was at 19% bodyfat. If that is unhealthy, then I guess I have one foot in the grave, and jillian 6 feet under. Yet I'm willing to bet that Rachel could probably outrun the majority of people making the negative comments about her.
Yes, she is very thin. But she is far from anorexic. And judging by the amount of negative comments on here and the internet in general, we have a huge perception problem in this country when it comes to what "healthy" looks like.
I believe Rachel was at 19% bf on the previous episode when she weighed in at 150 (the triathlon epi filmed 3 months ago). She was literally skin and bones tonight. It's not quite as obvious in the before/after pic posted earlier....but her absolute *frailty* was astonishing when the other contestants and Alison hugged her. She look like a light draft could blow her over like it was a gale force wind. It didn't look like shehad lost ssome muscle tone...it looked like she had lost nearly ALL her muscle. No way could she do a triathlon today...she wouldn't even have the strength to complete the swim. I have my doubts that she would even have the strength to tread water. I am seriously concerned for her health (both mental and physical), because I really identified with her on the show.
There is no way she was 5'4" and 150, with only 19% bodyfat. Unless she was a body builder, which she obviously is not.
False. I am 5'5". When I weighed 170, I had my body fat tested in a bod pod and it was 21% (and I wore a size 10). I'm down to 162 now and my 10s are loose. She absolutely could be 5'4", 150 and 19%.
No offense, but I seriously question those results.
Bod pods are accurate to within 2%. They calibrate the machine before each test and run the test 3 times (to ensure no wacky readings). The first time I lost weight (before I started lifting) I had the bod pod test done....that time, I started at 185 with 40% bf in a size 16....ended at 155 with 30% bf in a size 10. The 10s I started wearing at 170 this fall were the exact same jeans that had been in my closet for 3+ years that I wore at 155.0 -
I am the one that started this topic and it was not set up to bash anyone thin or fat. I do think that this episode is going to raise the concern that a lot of people have had with the show as far as health. Do I think that someone can be underweight and be healthy? YES! Do I think that some can be overweight and healthy? YES! But beyond that, there gets to a point where unhealthy is unhealthy no matter how you tip the scale. On the skinny side, yes Nicole Richie is thin, but she is a slender healthy thin. What we saw tonight on Biggest Loser was a different level, at least what I saw. If we are too afraid to say it when we see it, then we are just as big as a problem than the people who call others "fat" or "twiggy". Its not about that...it is about being HEALTHY.
What makes you think that she is unhealthy? It said she was at 19% bodyfat. If that is unhealthy, then I guess I have one foot in the grave, and jillian 6 feet under. Yet I'm willing to bet that Rachel could probably outrun the majority of people making the negative comments about her.
Yes, she is very thin. But she is far from anorexic. And judging by the amount of negative comments on here and the internet in general, we have a huge perception problem in this country when it comes to what "healthy" looks like.
I believe Rachel was at 19% bf on the previous episode when she weighed in at 150 (the triathlon epi filmed 3 months ago). She was literally skin and bones tonight. It's not quite as obvious in the before/after pic posted earlier....but her absolute *frailty* was astonishing when the other contestants and Alison hugged her. She look like a light draft could blow her over like it was a gale force wind. It didn't look like shehad lost ssome muscle tone...it looked like she had lost nearly ALL her muscle. No way could she do a triathlon today...she wouldn't even have the strength to complete the swim. I have my doubts that she would even have the strength to tread water. I am seriously concerned for her health (both mental and physical), because I really identified with her on the show.
There is no way she was 5'4" and 150, with only 19% bodyfat. Unless she was a body builder, which she obviously is not.
False. I am 5'5". When I weighed 170, I had my body fat tested in a bod pod and it was 21% (and I wore a size 10). I'm down to 162 now and my 10s are loose. She absolutely could be 5'4", 150 and 19%.
No offense, but I seriously question those results.
Bod pods are accurate to within 2%. They calibrate the machine before each test and run the test 3 times (to ensure no wacky readings). The first time I lost weight (before I started lifting) I had the bod pod test done....that time, I started at 185 with 40% bf in a size 16....ended at 155 with 30% bf in a size 10. The 10s I started westing at 170 this fall were the exact same jeans that had been in my closet for 3+ years that I wore at 155.
On average, with error rates as high as 15%.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=1750 -
DjinnMarie- Those were her stats at 150 and 19%. Prior to gaining the weight she was training to swim at the olympics and was a competitive athlete Those were her numbers last show.0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jihelvZxa7E
If you think she looks healthy, then your perception is way off.0 -
The concern is where does she go from here? There's a chance she's set herself up for a lifetime of disordered eating. There's a fair chance that after such extreme dieting she'll go on a binge fest now and regain say 20lbs in a couple of weeks, but as she has little muscle left she'll end up with a high BF%.
I hope she uses some of her winnings to pay for a good dietitian and trainer who can help her rebuild some muscle in a healthy and sustainable way.0 -
DjinnMarie- Those were her stats at 150 and 19%. Prior to gaining the weight she was training to swim at the olympics and was a competitive athlete Those were her numbers last show.
I know this was said as well, I am trying to show someone this and can't find a clip or stat or anything.. does anyone know where to find it?0 -
Not cool at all. She looked so very sick. Not a very good example at all. How uncomfortable to watch her, now, in the upcoming weeks talk about her "inspiring" transformation.... For the networks,the trainers' responses, the interviewers themselves... I wonder how many will back out on interviewing her. Eeesh !0
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I am a big fan of the show and I was pretty disappointed this time. Rachel really looked sick and I'm concerned that her win sends the wrong message. I sawJillian's reaction and Dolvett didn't look too proud either. I really hope Rachel is in a good place mentally, and not obsessed with being skinny- otherwise that weight will come right back!0
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Trying to explain this to my 18 year old college student over the phone was very hard. Shame on NBC for allowing and awarding this behavior . This was a very bad move for BL and a sad reality of what lengths one will go to just to win. I don't believe it was just the money that drove her to this point. It was more so her need to win and have control. and not having the right support system is even more dangerous. We must lift her up in prayer.0
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This finale was hard to watch. I am sure it will inspire change in the rules of the game. As for all the eating disorder comments and comments about what is healthy or if someone can be a certain weight and body fat. Every person is different and although the visible signs of eating disorders become apparent in late stages, you don't have to be thin to be anorexic. Eating disorders are very real and harm so many people every day, it breaks my heart to see what this once inspiring show has become. I am not going to speculate as to whether anyone does or does not have an eating disorder - but telling the youth of America that losing over 100lbs in 7 months isn't good enough is simply the wrong message to send.0
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Melissa- Dr. H tells her this if you look at the intro before she comes out in the finale. (Find the finale and fast forward to the into package before they introduce her to come out around 1 hour 30 minutes). She is still at the ranch when this meeting was taking place and she left the ranch at 151 lbs. He says " you are at a 19% body fat and within 5 pounds of appropriate weight for professional athletes." She then goes home and in three months drops to 105 for the final weigh in. That is what I am talking about as unhealthy.0
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I'm not going to say that ### is too much or ### is too little, but on Rachel, on what I saw tonight, I was horrified. To me she looks sick and unhealthy. She looked wonderful on the last week on the ranch, during the last competition where she won the car. She looked GREAT. When she walked out, I couldn't believe it was her. Then I saw Jillian's face, and Bob, and I knew I was not the only one thinking that her appearance was a problem, that she may need some help.
Can someone look healthy and be healthy at that weight? Yes. Did Rachel? No. Not to me.0 -
She needs to put on 10-15 pounds now. Hopefully if she did that she wouldn't fall back into her bad habits.0
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Agree! An adult woman should not weigh 105 lbs!
sorry? i am an adult woman and am very comfortable at 105 lbs. this **** is ridiculous. if this were reversed, can you imagine the uproar over someone crowing about how "an adult woman should not weight 275 lbs" or some such bull**** like that.
i don't watch this show, but i think for her height (5'4" apparently) 105 lbs is not abhorrent! i agree that it sounds like it happened quite drastically and very fast - but those stats are not "sickly" and "anorexic". jesus.0 -
Wow when she tripped going up the stairs i thought she was going to break something because she was so thin and fragile. Her arms, everything about her looks sickly and the judges could tell the look on their face showed they were not happy0
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I think this will prompt a change in the rules. It's just not fair to put smaller contestants up against huge ones. It makes it unfair and the smaller contestants will feel the pressure to become drastically underweight to win, risking their health. I hope they listen to everyone's concerns.0
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I mean for holy cow, I'm 5'7 and my goal weight is 135. She is only 3 inches shorter than me and she's 105!? Cray-cray.0
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Rachel not only looked unhealthy, she looked annorexic and it really aged her face...She had deep wrinkles and she is very young. I agree....its Crazy~0
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IMHO.. When everyone else walks out in skinny tight dresses, even Holly who is awesome, then she has to come out in a dress that's not fitted to show it all off.. It was obviously to hide what others had already seen. Highly shocked! I'm 5'3 and my smallest when I was like 16 was 107lb but I still had a booty and bobs!0
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I'm sure the trainers pulled her aside after the show and talked to her about it. I knew she would win. After all I did pick her on day 1 to be the biggest loser winner but my jaw seriously dropped when I saw her walk out on stage. It will not surprise me if her weight loss and how thin she got isn't all over the news. I'm thinking Inside Edition with a MD weighing in on what he thinks.
I really think she was so focused on winning that it probably didn't even cross her mind that she might not be in a healthy BMI range.0 -
They should make a minimum body fat percentage so that this doesn't happen again. She was so perfect when she left the ranch, she had no choice but to become unhealthily skinny or lose the prize...
Maybe everyone has a goal weight and if you get there first you win? I dunno... I'm sure Jillian would have spoken to her afterwards to make sure she put some weight back on. Jillian looked so worried and I've never seen Bob clap so slowly!0 -
Agree! An adult woman should not weigh 105 lbs!
sorry? i am an adult woman and am very comfortable at 105 lbs. this **** is ridiculous. if this were reversed, can you imagine the uproar over someone crowing about how "an adult woman should not weight 275 lbs" or some such bull**** like that.
i don't watch this show, but i think for her height (5'4" apparently) 105 lbs is not abhorrent! i agree that it sounds like it happened quite drastically and very fast - but those stats are not "sickly" and "anorexic". jesus.
*****es be jealous0
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