40lbs v Sugar!!
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My dad has been a diabetic almost my whole life. Sugar is sugar to him whether it comes from a candy bar or an apple. He has to watch his fruit intake just as much as any other sugar-laden food.
As for the OP, why not try eating moderately? Just eat what you want in moderation? Log your calories and your exercise, make sure you are ingesting less calories than you are burning and you will lose.0 -
Why have you made this topic so many times? I now don't like you.
wow panties in a bunch...
To the OP don't...it's just silly why cut out sugar...nom nom..
Unless your retirement plan portfolio is heavily tied up in sugar cane stock, why does it matter to you if the OP wants to cut sugar?0 -
so you are not eating any carbs too then, right?
why are you doing this?
She's probably doing just to annoy you - hell I would. lol:laugh:0 -
SIze8Suzie, people get their panties in a bunch when someone posts a topic twice or posts a topic that has been posted before. They love calling people out on their shortsightedness. I just find it amazing that it takes even more effort for them to post a caustic comment as it would to post something helpful.
Once I did cut out all refined sugar from my diet. It was not easy and in fact the worst part was the horrible attitude I had. The other thing is this, if you are not going to sustain this (and it does take constant effort) you will be right back where you started in a relatively short amount of time. I believe in being sensible and using moderation and common sense.
I hope that the rest of the people who respond will have something helpful for you. They may have answered this question 5,000 times, but it's the first time you are asking it.
I wish you luck on your journey.
FINALLY, a decent human being with a sensible comment, thank you SO much (and I'm not saying that sarcastically) I really really appreciate it :-)
Hey, I am a decent human being and I did give a sensible comment based on your OP. Seriously as you wrote "all sugar including fruit" the question is, what do you intend to eat? I honestly don't think that approach is sustainable and it could end up making you quite ill. It would be irresponsible for anyone on the basis of what you wrote to say "hey, go for it".0 -
Why have you made this topic so many times? I now don't like you.
wow panties in a bunch...
To the OP don't...it's just silly why cut out sugar...nom nom..
Unless your retirement plan portfolio is heavily tied up in sugar cane stock, why does it matter to you if the OP wants to cut sugar?
because why let someone go down that path when they don't have to????My dad has been a diabetic almost my whole life. Sugar is sugar to him whether it comes from a candy bar or an apple. He has to watch his fruit intake just as much as any other sugar-laden food.
Yes I've watched my brother from the age of 6 be a diabetic but they don't give up fruit...they watch their sugar yes but they don't cut it out totally...0 -
Why have you made this topic so many times? I now don't like you.
wow panties in a bunch...
To the OP don't...it's just silly why cut out sugar...nom nom..
Unless your retirement plan portfolio is heavily tied up in sugar cane stock, why does it matter to you if the OP wants to cut sugar?
because why let someone go down that path when they don't have to????My dad has been a diabetic almost my whole life. Sugar is sugar to him whether it comes from a candy bar or an apple. He has to watch his fruit intake just as much as any other sugar-laden food.
Yes I've watched my brother from the age of 6 be a diabetic but they don't give up fruit...they watch their sugar yes but they don't cut it out totally...
But the OP is an adult and has freedom of choice. If she likes fruit and other sugary products - she clearly knows the sacrifice she is entering into.
After all if she is looking to do this short term there will be no health issues to it. And I would hazard a guess if she did see the health benefits she would at some stage introduce veggies for the carb and micro nutrient then long term it would be a healthy diet .
If she is still happy with the sacrifice of not (or limited as she would have introduced veggies) eating added sugar and fruit and feels comfortable paying that price - how does that affect your life?0 -
Why have you made this topic so many times? I now don't like you.
wow panties in a bunch...
To the OP don't...it's just silly why cut out sugar...nom nom..
Unless your retirement plan portfolio is heavily tied up in sugar cane stock, why does it matter to you if the OP wants to cut sugar?
because why let someone go down that path when they don't have to????My dad has been a diabetic almost my whole life. Sugar is sugar to him whether it comes from a candy bar or an apple. He has to watch his fruit intake just as much as any other sugar-laden food.
Yes I've watched my brother from the age of 6 be a diabetic but they don't give up fruit...they watch their sugar yes but they don't cut it out totally...
But the OP is an adult and has freedom of choice. If she likes fruit and other sugary products - she clearly knows the sacrifice she is entering into.
After all if she is looking to do this short term there will be no health issues to it. And I would hazard a guess if she did see the health benefits she would at some stage introduce veggies for the carb and micro nutrient then long term it would be a healthy diet .
If she is still happy with the sacrifice of not (or limited as she would have introduced veggies) eating added sugar and fruit and feels comfortable paying that price - how does that affect your life?
So out of the 15-20 odd people who said no it's not necessary you decided it was me today...okay good. I have big shoulders I can deal.
Your right it doesn't affect my life at all...I don't care if she does or doesn't. I just gave an opinion.
Now the quesiton is why do you care if I said don't it's silly...how does that affect your life? After all freedom of speach and open forums on the internet, the fact I am an adult means I can pretty much give my opinion as much as I want...
Now you get your panties out of a bunch too...here have a cookie.:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:0 -
Why have you made this topic so many times? I now don't like you.
wow panties in a bunch...
To the OP don't...it's just silly why cut out sugar...nom nom..
Unless your retirement plan portfolio is heavily tied up in sugar cane stock, why does it matter to you if the OP wants to cut sugar?
because why let someone go down that path when they don't have to????My dad has been a diabetic almost my whole life. Sugar is sugar to him whether it comes from a candy bar or an apple. He has to watch his fruit intake just as much as any other sugar-laden food.
Yes I've watched my brother from the age of 6 be a diabetic but they don't give up fruit...they watch their sugar yes but they don't cut it out totally...
But the OP is an adult and has freedom of choice. If she likes fruit and other sugary products - she clearly knows the sacrifice she is entering into.
After all if she is looking to do this short term there will be no health issues to it. And I would hazard a guess if she did see the health benefits she would at some stage introduce veggies for the carb and micro nutrient then long term it would be a healthy diet .
If she is still happy with the sacrifice of not (or limited as she would have introduced veggies) eating added sugar and fruit and feels comfortable paying that price - how does that affect your life?
So out of the 15-20 odd people who said no it's not necessary you decided it was me today...okay good. I have big shoulders I can deal.
Your right it doesn't affect my life at all...I don't care if she does or doesn't. I just gave an opinion.
Now the quesiton is why do you care if I said don't it's silly...how does that affect your life? After all freedom of speach and open forums on the internet, the fact I am an adult means I can pretty much give my opinion as much as I want...
Now you get your panties out of a bunch too...here have a cookie.:bigsmile: :bigsmile: :bigsmile:
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Not come across this guy but there are quite a few sugar alarmists around. It seem to be the current fashion.Well its quite obvious that there will be 'some' sugar in my diet didn't realise this would be so controversial and what about the book 'Sweet Poison Plan' by David Gillespie?
They seem to share the same characteristics of cherry picking data and leaping to frankly absurd conclusions while ignoring any data that refutes their theory.
This is worth a read if you are interested in the counter argument:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
You really don't have to eliminate whole groups of food to successfully lose weight or be healthy.0 -
LOL, got some real cranky pants on here today! sugar is sugar but the nutrients that come in an apply vs apple sauce vs apple juice vs apple jelly is different as is the fiber content and the mechanism of action how the body digests the product. if you were to just go a week with out simple, concentrated sugars and complex (whole fruits) sugars to get clean that would likely be a good thing. Then adding fruit back into your diet will seem a real treat. there are so many ways to get sugar in your system, a green pepper is much lower in sugar than a yellow or red pepper. I wish you the very best. you have to live with yourself, don't set yourself us to fail.0
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Those that have stuck up for me a big thank you!
Of course it will be having some sugar in my diet and as for the sugar in fruits ( fructose) ALL sugars in fruits are NOT the same!
I had simply been reading a book title ' The Sweet Poison Quit Plan' and had decided to cut most foods high in sugars out of my diet for a week to see how I get on.
Firstly I hope that puts the record straight, secondly I do NOT appreciate people being rude and sarcastic ! I joined 'my fitness pal' to gain support and advice not to be made a target at!
I am considering now coming off here already as after gaining 40 lbs through medical problem I already had confidence issues as these inconsiderate comments have had me in tears.
I'd just like to say a HUGE thanks to the people who however were polite and stool up for me!
So much for 'my fitness 'PAL'!!0 -
So much for 'my fitness 'PAL'!!
You don't need to quit the website. Just stay off the Community section if you can't handle objections to your diet plans.0 -
Those that have stuck up for me a big thank you!
Of course it will be having some sugar in my diet and as for the sugar in fruits ( fructose) ALL sugars in fruits are NOT the same!
I had simply been reading a book title ' The Sweet Poison Quit Plan' and had decided to cut most foods high in sugars out of my diet for a week to see how I get on.
Firstly I hope that puts the record straight, secondly I do NOT appreciate people being rude and sarcastic ! I joined 'my fitness pal' to gain support and advice not to be made a target at!
I am considering now coming off here already as after gaining 40 lbs through medical problem I already had confidence issues as these inconsiderate comments have had me in tears.
I'd just like to say a HUGE thanks to the people who however were polite and stool up for me!
So much for 'my fitness 'PAL'!!
Golly gee willakers, I'm sorry I asked a couple questions in order to understand WHY you're cutting out sugar. Rudeness and sarcasm go both ways. Enjoy your sugar-free journey.
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Those that have stuck up for me a big thank you!
Of course it will be having some sugar in my diet and as for the sugar in fruits ( fructose) ALL sugars in fruits are NOT the same!
I had simply been reading a book title ' The Sweet Poison Quit Plan' and had decided to cut most foods high in sugars out of my diet for a week to see how I get on.
Firstly I hope that puts the record straight, secondly I do NOT appreciate people being rude and sarcastic ! I joined 'my fitness pal' to gain support and advice not to be made a target at!
I am considering now coming off here already as after gaining 40 lbs through medical problem I already had confidence issues as these inconsiderate comments have had me in tears.
I'd just like to say a HUGE thanks to the people who however were polite and stool up for me!
So much for 'my fitness 'PAL'!!
Don't let it get to you...if you really want to lose weight this site will help you...but read some of the forums you will learn a lot and most people on this site believe in a healthy well balanced diet without sacrificing the foods we like. :flowerforyou:0 -
Remember, there are many types of sugars. The sugars in fruit are ok in moderation. Being an extremist never got anyone anywhere lol0
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From "I'm going to avoid all sugar even fruit.", as quoted from original post, to "Decided to cut most foods high in sugars out of my diet for a week to see how I get on."
How many calories did you burn with that back pedaling??0 -
It is helpful to not attack people who mispeak or are ignorant.
I believe that PROCESSED is bad for humans so I severe restrict myself from eating it. Consequently I am less hungry and overeat less.
And it's ignorant to stay that the sugar from a cookie and a pepper are the same. Because of fiber, nutrients, etc these substance s are processed by our bodies differently. If that weren't so, we could just eat chocolate, drink coke and take nutrients and still perform and look Look mr. America.0 -
I've never been successful in losing weight when cutting entire types of food out of my diet. Especially if it's something I really like. I think others have had similar experiences, thus why so many people tried to tell you not to do it.
I think it's all about trial & error & figuring out what works for you. It's taken me several cycles of starting a 'diet', keeping at it for a few days, & then going back to my old eating habits to finally find the balance. My balance is to not cut anything out & allow myself to eat everything in moderation. I still drink my coffee with flavored creamer in it, but I only have one cup a day like that & drink the rest with milk or half & half. I still enjoy candy, but instead of eating an entire bag of sweethearts in one sitting, I eat the serving size or less. The list could go on & on. I stopped buying certain things for my home [like Nutella & potato chips, for example] because I know they trigger me & I often can't stop myself from eating the entire package once I start - but I haven't cut them from my diet. I'll still have chips with my sandwich at Jimmy Johns once in awhile.
It's really just a matter of finding what works. What works for me might not work for you, but you also have to understand that what you read in a book might not work for you either. Too many of those types of books feed off of desperate people & make money off making you believe you have to be miserable & hungry & craving things the entire time you're dieting. But I promise you, it doesn't have to be like that - & it SHOULDN'T be if you want the changes to be long-term & the weight loss to stick.0 -
It is helpful to not attack people who mispeak or are ignorant.
I believe that PROCESSED is bad for humans so I severe restrict myself from eating it. Consequently I am less hungry and overeat less.
And it's ignorant to stay that the sugar from a cookie and a pepper are the same. Because of fiber, nutrients, etc these substance s are processed by our bodies differently. If that weren't so, we could just eat chocolate, drink coke and take nutrients and still perform and look Look mr. America.
How are the sugars different? Not the calorie counts, not fiber, not nutrients, not which one goes better with a philly cheesesteak. Just straight up sugar found in a cookie vs sugar found in a pepper, if they were isolated, would our bodies know the difference?0 -
SIze8Suzie, people get their panties in a bunch when someone posts a topic twice or posts a topic that has been posted before. They love calling people out on their shortsightedness. I just find it amazing that it takes even more effort for them to post a caustic comment as it would to post something helpful.
Once I did cut out all refined sugar from my diet. It was not easy and in fact the worst part was the horrible attitude I had. The other thing is this, if you are not going to sustain this (and it does take constant effort) you will be right back where you started in a relatively short amount of time. I believe in being sensible and using moderation and common sense.
I hope that the rest of the people who respond will have something helpful for you. They may have answered this question 5,000 times, but it's the first time you are asking it.
I wish you luck on your journey.
FINALLY, a decent human being with a sensible comment, thank you SO much (and I'm not saying that sarcastically) I really really appreciate it :-)
Hmmm, well I thought my post was sensible and asked a relevant question in a non-snarky manner - but it seems you only want people who agree with you.
Perhaps if you join a forum in the future, be prepared for people to question you and to disagree with you - support isn't just saying Yay you do it! for every plan people have , however foolish the plan may be.
Seems you weren't even sure what your plan was as it has changed from the original 'cut out all sugars, including fruit' to 'avoid high sugar foods' - quite a substantial difference and of course people are responding accordingly.
Another tip - before posting on a forum, read the rules, then you wont be upset when people call you on breaking them - MFP rules quite clearly ban posting the same question in multiple forums.
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Yes sucrose, lactose, cellulose, fructose are all different molecular structures and metabolized differently with different by products.It is helpful to not attack people who mispeak or are ignorant.
I believe that PROCESSED is bad for humans so I severe restrict myself from eating it. Consequently I am less hungry and overeat less.
And it's ignorant to stay that the sugar from a cookie and a pepper are the same. Because of fiber, nutrients, etc these substance s are processed by our bodies differently. If that weren't so, we could just eat chocolate, drink coke and take nutrients and still perform and look Look mr. America.
How are the sugars different? Not the calorie counts, not fiber, not nutrients, not which one goes better with a philly cheesesteak. Just straight up sugar found in a cookie vs sugar found in a pepper, if they were isolated, would our bodies know the difference?0 -
Yes sucrose, lactose, cellulose, fructose are all different molecular structures and metabolized differently with different by products.It is helpful to not attack people who mispeak or are ignorant.
I believe that PROCESSED is bad for humans so I severe restrict myself from eating it. Consequently I am less hungry and overeat less.
And it's ignorant to stay that the sugar from a cookie and a pepper are the same. Because of fiber, nutrients, etc these substance s are processed by our bodies differently. If that weren't so, we could just eat chocolate, drink coke and take nutrients and still perform and look Look mr. America.
How are the sugars different? Not the calorie counts, not fiber, not nutrients, not which one goes better with a philly cheesesteak. Just straight up sugar found in a cookie vs sugar found in a pepper, if they were isolated, would our bodies know the difference?
I know that, the point I am making is that the source of these sugars does not change how the body metabolizes them. The body does not distinguish sucrose from one source vs sucrose from another, it just says "oh hey, look, sucrose!".0 -
Im shocked by the negative comments that poster had to endure. Actually what she asked was a sensible question. Its known that reasonable quantities of sweet fruits cause an immediate insulin rush, and that the excess sugar in the fruit will be stored almost straight away as triglycerides in our fat stores, instead of being burned for energy. It is a good idea to keep to a max of say one fruit a day.
Sorry you were the object of these peoples wrath ,poster! I dont know what their problem is. Hope you wont be disheartened by it!0 -
Strong 1st post of misinformationIm shocked by the negative comments that poster had to endure. Actually what she asked was a sensible question. Its known that reasonable quantities of sweet fruits cause an immediate insulin rush, and that the excess sugar in the fruit will be stored almost straight away as triglycerides in our fat stores, instead of being burned for energy. It is a good idea to keep to a max of say one fruit a day.
Sorry you were the object of these peoples wrath ,poster! I dont know what their problem is. Hope you wont be disheartened by it!0 -
Is this FACEBOOK or MFP?? Geez, if I want drama I would post my diet question on Facebook and let my "friends" judge me. Everyone tries and fails. If she succeeds Kudos, if not, lesson learned. Calm down people. This is supposed to be a safe space to vent, ask questions, and just be yourself.0
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LOL, got some real cranky pants on here today! sugar is sugar but the nutrients that come in an apply vs apple sauce vs apple juice vs apple jelly is different as is the fiber content and the mechanism of action how the body digests the product. if you were to just go a week with out simple, concentrated sugars and complex (whole fruits) sugars to get clean that would likely be a good thing. Then adding fruit back into your diet will seem a real treat. there are so many ways to get sugar in your system, a green pepper is much lower in sugar than a yellow or red pepper. I wish you the very best. you have to live with yourself, don't set yourself us to fail.
so you are saying eliminate sugar for a week and then add it back in afterwards..???? LOL ..OK ..legit plan to avoid sugar...0 -
Strong 1st post of misinformationIm shocked by the negative comments that poster had to endure. Actually what she asked was a sensible question. Its known that reasonable quantities of sweet fruits cause an immediate insulin rush, and that the excess sugar in the fruit will be stored almost straight away as triglycerides in our fat stores, instead of being burned for energy. It is a good idea to keep to a max of say one fruit a day.
Sorry you were the object of these peoples wrath ,poster! I dont know what their problem is. Hope you wont be disheartened by it!
i would categorize this as "first post = epic fail"0 -
Is this FACEBOOK or MFP?? Geez, if I want drama I would post my diet question on Facebook and let my "friends" judge me. Everyone tries and fails. If she succeeds Kudos, if not, lesson learned. Calm down people. This is supposed to be a safe space to vent, ask questions, and just be yourself.
so when someone says they are going to eliminate "all" sugar, no one can question the lunacy of that statement?0 -
Is this FACEBOOK or MFP?? Geez, if I want drama I would post my diet question on Facebook and let my "friends" judge me. Everyone tries and fails. If she succeeds Kudos, if not, lesson learned. Calm down people. This is supposed to be a safe space to vent, ask questions, and just be yourself.
Your newsfeed, filled with your friends, is the safe place to vent, ask questions, and just be yourself. When you venture into the forums, you have to expect differing opinions, scientific facts, & ALL kinds of people.
I am constantly amazed at the number of people who make a forum post and then are all hurt that people dare to disagree with them. This is what a forum is for - if you don't like getting all the views on a subject, stick to asking your friend's list.0
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