40lbs v Sugar!!
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I know nothing about excess / lack of / and effects of different sugars on my body but one thing for sure....
The topic of sugar really gets the MFP community worked up into a hyperactive frenzy and brings out the worst and best in people.0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Can I say a special thanks for the people (tennis dude etc) for sticking up for me. If it wasn't for them I was about to delete my account and forget the whole thing.0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Can I say a special thanks for the people (tennis dude etc) for sticking up for me. If it wasn't for them I was about to delete my account and forget the whole thing.
I certainly understand your frustration in the way this post has gone. However, I would advise you that this is the way of the forums. All forums - not just MFP. You have a tremendous audience when you post something. People respond in all different ways. Some will give you advice, some will not. What you can learn from this experience is that it's pretty much a crap shoot. Take what you can from the thread and move on. Letting it hurt your feelings or cause you to leave MFP is not productive.
Here's my advice for you. Add people to your friend's list that have the same mindset you have. That way you have an audience you can trust, that knows you & that you can hear.
Just for the record, I started on MFP 22 months ago. I lurked the forums and read everything. I realized pretty soon that a lot of the people that are snarky, also gave smart advice. Some of them are now on my friend's list. They never sugar coat ANYTHING and I appreciate that kind of honesty. It's what has helped me lose over 100 pounds. Find the people you can hear. Good luck.0 -
to the OP...
The reason you got a lot of people saying no don't do it is because we know that limited food and/or food groups from your diet is not sustainable.
Think about it this way...this isn't a diet...it is a new way of eating for life. Sugar is not the devil, sugar alone does not cause weight gain...no food does it is the quantity of the food you eat not the types.
If you have a medical condition that requires you to limit certian foods or types of food that's fine and understandable...but if you don't there is not reason.
Look at this new thing you are doing as how you are going to eat for the rest of your life...just in smaller portions. As you get closer to maintenance you increase your portion size (and calories) and instead of re introducing all those foods you cut out back in you are already eating them.
As well if you cut out foods you like/crave/love you are more likely to binge on them at a later date, feel bad about yourself and fall into old habits again because you feel like you failed so why bother going any further.
Yes these words come from experience.
As for your book...sugar does not turn into fat and make you fat...excess calories make you fat.
As for advice eat at reasonable calorie deficet,
set your weekly weight loss goal at about 1lb a week (I suspect you don't have 100lbs to lose),
exercise if you want and eat back part of those calories, if you don't want to exercise don't...
Log everything you eat and weigh your solids so you know how much you are eating
Choose the correct entries...by that I mean don't use ones that have the words generic, homemade or start with an asterik (*) they are user entered...check nutrional values and confirmations
If you can't find a correct entry make your own based on the label.
Losing weight requires one sacrifice...eat less calories than you burn that's it.
Now for the forums random strangers on the internet shouldn't have that much affect on your self esteem and confidence...I mean they aren't in your life, and shouldn't be able to dictate your mood...if they can...stay out of the forums...this was tame...wait until someone is really mean (where they get removed from the forums for their post)
There are a lot of very smart people here who know what they are talking about and don't sugar coat it...(excuse the pun)yes they are blunt (I've been accused of it as well) but all in all they are too the point and right.0 -
to the OP...
The reason you got a lot of people saying no don't do it is because we know that limited food and/or food groups from your diet is not sustainable.
Think about it this way...this isn't a diet...it is a new way of eating for life. Sugar is not the devil, sugar alone does not cause weight gain...no food does it is the quantity of the food you eat not the types.
If you have a medical condition that requires you to limit certian foods or types of food that's fine and understandable...but if you don't there is not reason.
Look at this new thing you are doing as how you are going to eat for the rest of your life...just in smaller portions. As you get closer to maintenance you increase your portion size (and calories) and instead of re introducing all those foods you cut out back in you are already eating them.
As well if you cut out foods you like/crave/love you are more likely to binge on them at a later date, feel bad about yourself and fall into old habits again because you feel like you failed so why bother going any further.
Yes these words come from experience.
As for your book...sugar does not turn into fat and make you fat...excess calories make you fat.
As for advice eat at reasonable calorie deficet,
set your weekly weight loss goal at about 1lb a week (I suspect you don't have 100lbs to lose),
exercise if you want and eat back part of those calories, if you don't want to exercise don't...
Log everything you eat and weigh your solids so you know how much you are eating
Choose the correct entries...by that I mean don't use ones that have the words generic, homemade or start with an asterik (*) they are user entered...check nutrional values and confirmations
If you can't find a correct entry make your own based on the label.
Losing weight requires one sacrifice...eat less calories than you burn that's it.
Now for the forums random strangers on the internet shouldn't have that much affect on your self esteem and confidence...I mean they aren't in your life, and shouldn't be able to dictate your mood...if they can...stay out of the forums...this was tame...wait until someone is really mean (where they get removed from the forums for their post)
There are a lot of very smart people here who know what they are talking about and don't sugar coat it...(excuse the pun)yes they are blunt (I've been accused of it as well) but all in all they are too the point and right.
^ This is very well stated and right on point.0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Cutting back on sugar is a very good idea (IMHO).
I personally only eat Veggies, moderate fruit and as a treat dark chocolate (there will be other food I eat which has added sugar, but I do not eat these in any great volume so the amount is negligible).
You may experience side affect (non of which are harmful to your health) for up to possible 3 weeks - everyone is different, mine lasted 2 days.
This transition is only whilst your body adapts. I personally eat about 100g of carbs a day, which allows me to keep my insulin levels low and therefore my body is better adapted at burning body fat as fuel (I only eat extra carbs when I am doing high activity sports).
I would recommend anyone (Who wants to) to give a try for 30 days, it certainly will not be harmful to health and may have a positive outcome.
Good luck.0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Cutting back on sugar is a very good idea (IMHO).
I personally only eat Veggies, moderate fruit and as a treat dark chocolate (there will be other food I eat which has added sugar, but I do not eat these in any great volume so the amount is negligible).
You may experience side affect (non of which are harmful to your health) for up to possible 3 weeks - everyone is different, mine lasted 2 days.
This transition is only whilst your body adapts. I personally eat about 100g of carbs a day, which allows me to keep my insulin levels low and therefore my body is better adapted at burning body fat as fuel (I only eat extra carbs when I am doing high activity sports).
I would recommend anyone (Who wants to) to give a try for 30 days, it certainly will not be harmful to health and may have a positive outcome.
Good luck.
Yes and if I remember correctly you are paleo/primal???? which eliminates lots of food from your diet...correct me if I am wrong.0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Cutting back on sugar is a very good idea (IMHO).
I personally only eat Veggies, moderate fruit and as a treat dark chocolate (there will be other food I eat which has added sugar, but I do not eat these in any great volume so the amount is negligible).
You may experience side affect (non of which are harmful to your health) for up to possible 3 weeks - everyone is different, mine lasted 2 days.
This transition is only whilst your body adapts. I personally eat about 100g of carbs a day, which allows me to keep my insulin levels low and therefore my body is better adapted at burning body fat as fuel (I only eat extra carbs when I am doing high activity sports).
I would recommend anyone (Who wants to) to give a try for 30 days, it certainly will not be harmful to health and may have a positive outcome.
Good luck.
I'd rather run and squat and enjoy my donuts. And, frankly, I perform much better well fueled and there is no way that I'm giving up food groups/types in some Quixotic quest to find something wrong that isn't there.0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Cutting back on sugar is a very good idea (IMHO).
I personally only eat Veggies, moderate fruit and as a treat dark chocolate (there will be other food I eat which has added sugar, but I do not eat these in any great volume so the amount is negligible).
You may experience side affect (non of which are harmful to your health) for up to possible 3 weeks - everyone is different, mine lasted 2 days.
This transition is only whilst your body adapts. I personally eat about 100g of carbs a day, which allows me to keep my insulin levels low and therefore my body is better adapted at burning body fat as fuel (I only eat extra carbs when I am doing high activity sports).
I would recommend anyone (Who wants to) to give a try for 30 days, it certainly will not be harmful to health and may have a positive outcome.
Good luck.
I'd rather run and squat and enjoy my donuts. And, frankly, I perform much better well fueled and there is no way that I'm giving up food groups/types in some Quixotic quest to find something wrong that isn't there.
Nobody is asking you to give up sugar or any other type of food if you don't want to though? Not sure what your point is?0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
My comment was to the person I quoted - I realise you have got the message about multiple postings now.
Was not defending the 'I don't like you' comment at all.
Although I do think you have taken it too much to heart and I do still think your plan is misguided.
Despite what your book says, it is not necessary to limit fruit to one piece per day.0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Cutting back on sugar is a very good idea (IMHO).
I personally only eat Veggies, moderate fruit and as a treat dark chocolate (there will be other food I eat which has added sugar, but I do not eat these in any great volume so the amount is negligible).
You may experience side affect (non of which are harmful to your health) for up to possible 3 weeks - everyone is different, mine lasted 2 days.
This transition is only whilst your body adapts. I personally eat about 100g of carbs a day, which allows me to keep my insulin levels low and therefore my body is better adapted at burning body fat as fuel (I only eat extra carbs when I am doing high activity sports).
I would recommend anyone (Who wants to) to give a try for 30 days, it certainly will not be harmful to health and may have a positive outcome.
Good luck.
I'd rather run and squat and enjoy my donuts. And, frankly, I perform much better well fueled and there is no way that I'm giving up food groups/types in some Quixotic quest to find something wrong that isn't there.
Nobody is asking you to give up sugar or any other type of food if you don't want to though? Not sure what your point is?
Maybe your confusion is in the interpretation of the word recommendation?0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Cutting back on sugar is a very good idea (IMHO).
I personally only eat Veggies, moderate fruit and as a treat dark chocolate (there will be other food I eat which has added sugar, but I do not eat these in any great volume so the amount is negligible).
You may experience side affect (non of which are harmful to your health) for up to possible 3 weeks - everyone is different, mine lasted 2 days.
This transition is only whilst your body adapts. I personally eat about 100g of carbs a day, which allows me to keep my insulin levels low and therefore my body is better adapted at burning body fat as fuel (I only eat extra carbs when I am doing high activity sports).
I would recommend anyone (Who wants to) to give a try for 30 days, it certainly will not be harmful to health and may have a positive outcome.
Good luck.
I'd rather run and squat and enjoy my donuts. And, frankly, I perform much better well fueled and there is no way that I'm giving up food groups/types in some Quixotic quest to find something wrong that isn't there.
Nobody is asking you to give up sugar or any other type of food if you don't want to though? Not sure what your point is?
LOL. I bolded your own language for you. I know this is difficult.0 -
Natural sugar is used by every cell in your body. Added sugar is not.0
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Natural sugar is used by every cell in your body. Added sugar is not.
I'm sorry, but this statement is ludicrous.0 -
to the OP...
1) The reason you got a lot of people saying no don't do it is because we know that limited food and/or food groups from your diet is not sustainable.
Think about it this way...this isn't a diet...it is a new way of eating for life. 2) Sugar is not the devil, sugar alone does not cause weight gain...no food does it is the quantity of the food you eat not the types.
If you have a medical condition that requires you to limit certian foods or types of food that's fine and understandable...but if you don't there is not reason.
Look at this new thing you are doing as how you are going to eat for the rest of your life...just in smaller portions. As you get closer to maintenance you increase your portion size (and calories) and instead of re introducing all those foods you cut out back in you are already eating them.
4) As well if you cut out foods you like/crave/love you are more likely to binge on them at a later date, feel bad about yourself and fall into old habits again because you feel like you failed so why bother going any further.
3) Yes these words come from experience.
As for your book...sugar does not turn into fat and make you fat...excess calories make you fat.
5) As for advice eat at reasonable calorie deficit,
set your weekly weight loss goal at about 1lb a week (I suspect you don't have 100lbs to lose),
exercise if you want and eat back part of those calories, if you don't want to exercise don't...
Log everything you eat and weigh your solids so you know how much you are eating
Choose the correct entries...by that I mean don't use ones that have the words generic, homemade or start with an asterik (*) they are user entered...check nutrional values and confirmations
If you can't find a correct entry make your own based on the label.
Losing weight requires one sacrifice...eat less calories than you burn that's it.
Now for the forums random strangers on the internet shouldn't have that much affect on your self esteem and confidence...I mean they aren't in your life, and shouldn't be able to dictate your mood...if they can...stay out of the forums...this was tame...wait until someone is really mean (where they get removed from the forums for their post)
There are a lot of very smart people here who know what they are talking about and don't sugar coat it...(excuse the pun) 6) yes they are blunt (I've been accused of it as well) but all in all they are too the point and right.
1) - everyone is different - what may be un-sustainable for one person will not be un-sustainable for another (we need a broader perspective on this point).
2) Most normal people do not think Sugar is the devil - I certainly don't. Just because someone wants to cut back on something does not mean they hate the thing - that's your sensitive interpretation of it.
3) - that's based on your study of one. Again not every one will react to food or think the same as you.
4) - based on my study of one - I must disagree with this statement - I no longer crave these things nor indeed want them.
5) - nobody disputes IIFYM's works - in fact you can still do IIFYM whilst cutting back on sugar (wow it's a flexible system).
6) - not always but sometimes the comments from posters go from being blunt to absolutely pointless.
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I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Cutting back on sugar is a very good idea (IMHO).
I personally only eat Veggies, moderate fruit and as a treat dark chocolate (there will be other food I eat which has added sugar, but I do not eat these in any great volume so the amount is negligible).
You may experience side affect (non of which are harmful to your health) for up to possible 3 weeks - everyone is different, mine lasted 2 days.
This transition is only whilst your body adapts. I personally eat about 100g of carbs a day, which allows me to keep my insulin levels low and therefore my body is better adapted at burning body fat as fuel (I only eat extra carbs when I am doing high activity sports).
I would recommend anyone (Who wants to) to give a try for 30 days, it certainly will not be harmful to health and may have a positive outcome.
Good luck.
I'd rather run and squat and enjoy my donuts. And, frankly, I perform much better well fueled and there is no way that I'm giving up food groups/types in some Quixotic quest to find something wrong that isn't there.
Nobody is asking you to give up sugar or any other type of food if you don't want to though? Not sure what your point is?
LOL. I bolded your own language for you. I know this is difficult.
We obviously have different ideas on what the word recommend is - My interpretation is that it is advise as apposed to an order or instruction - what's yours?0 -
I seriously doubt there is a topic made that has not been made several times before by this point.
Of course.
But that's not the same as one person posting their own same question in multiple forums.
Look saying to someone new who has juster started 'I now don't like you' is CHILDISH and NOT positive criticism!
I apologise that my post has been so controversial but it was my FIRST ever post and I didn't know that EVERYONE reads EVERY topic on each of the boards that is why I posted it on a couple to target different people as I am desperate to get advise with being new.
I hadn't read ALL of the terms and conditions and didn't realise I broke a rule!
For goodness sake people all I'm after is help not my confidence being battered down more than it already has! Well done for that some of you, you've really made me feel secure about myself! I honestly feel quite threatened.
I can take criticism but would like sensible criticism and advice whether positive or negative so I shall rephrase now I've gone away and had a good think about my plan, so here goes:
'I am contemplating cutting refined sugars out of my diet and wondered if anyone had done so as I understand that you can get some side affects.
I have also been reading a book 'Sugar is poison' by David Gillespie and he mentions that fruit should be kept to a bare minimum as especially certain fruits contain a lot of sugar 'fructose' and if too much fructose is digested then required by the body it is turned into FAT!
Could anyone advise me as to the best way to go forward as I have tried cutting out carbs, lots of different diets but still stuck at the same weight!
I've always been a size 8 and was very fortunate but over the last 2 years I have had medical problems which no fault of my own has resulted in me putting 4 stone on which for my small frame is a huge amount! I would LOVE any help, advice, firmed adds, positive or negative feedback and again apologise to the nicer people on here for posting more than once.
Cutting back on sugar is a very good idea (IMHO).
I personally only eat Veggies, moderate fruit and as a treat dark chocolate (there will be other food I eat which has added sugar, but I do not eat these in any great volume so the amount is negligible).
You may experience side affect (non of which are harmful to your health) for up to possible 3 weeks - everyone is different, mine lasted 2 days.
This transition is only whilst your body adapts. I personally eat about 100g of carbs a day, which allows me to keep my insulin levels low and therefore my body is better adapted at burning body fat as fuel (I only eat extra carbs when I am doing high activity sports).
I would recommend anyone (Who wants to) to give a try for 30 days, it certainly will not be harmful to health and may have a positive outcome.
Good luck.
I'd rather run and squat and enjoy my donuts. And, frankly, I perform much better well fueled and there is no way that I'm giving up food groups/types in some Quixotic quest to find something wrong that isn't there.
Nobody is asking you to give up sugar or any other type of food if you don't want to though? Not sure what your point is?
LOL. I bolded your own language for you. I know this is difficult.
We obviously have different ideas on what the word recommend is - My interpretation is that it is advise as apposed to an order or instruction - what's yours?
No disagreement on the definition. It's a silly recommendation with no good basis in research or knowledge.0 -
to the OP...
1) The reason you got a lot of people saying no don't do it is because we know that limited food and/or food groups from your diet is not sustainable.
Think about it this way...this isn't a diet...it is a new way of eating for life. 2) Sugar is not the devil, sugar alone does not cause weight gain...no food does it is the quantity of the food you eat not the types.
If you have a medical condition that requires you to limit certian foods or types of food that's fine and understandable...but if you don't there is not reason.
Look at this new thing you are doing as how you are going to eat for the rest of your life...just in smaller portions. As you get closer to maintenance you increase your portion size (and calories) and instead of re introducing all those foods you cut out back in you are already eating them.
4) As well if you cut out foods you like/crave/love you are more likely to binge on them at a later date, feel bad about yourself and fall into old habits again because you feel like you failed so why bother going any further.
3) Yes these words come from experience.
As for your book...sugar does not turn into fat and make you fat...excess calories make you fat.
5) As for advice eat at reasonable calorie deficit,
set your weekly weight loss goal at about 1lb a week (I suspect you don't have 100lbs to lose),
exercise if you want and eat back part of those calories, if you don't want to exercise don't...
Log everything you eat and weigh your solids so you know how much you are eating
Choose the correct entries...by that I mean don't use ones that have the words generic, homemade or start with an asterik (*) they are user entered...check nutrional values and confirmations
If you can't find a correct entry make your own based on the label.
Losing weight requires one sacrifice...eat less calories than you burn that's it.
Now for the forums random strangers on the internet shouldn't have that much affect on your self esteem and confidence...I mean they aren't in your life, and shouldn't be able to dictate your mood...if they can...stay out of the forums...this was tame...wait until someone is really mean (where they get removed from the forums for their post)
There are a lot of very smart people here who know what they are talking about and don't sugar coat it...(excuse the pun) 6) yes they are blunt (I've been accused of it as well) but all in all they are too the point and right.
1) - everyone is different - what may be un-sustainable for one person will not be un-sustainable for another (we need a broader perspective on this point).
2) Most normal people do not think Sugar is the devil - I certainly don't. Just because someone wants to cut back on something does not mean they hate the thing - that's your sensitive interpretation of it.
3) - that's based on your study of one. Again not every one will react to food or think the same as you.
4) - based on my study of one - I must disagree with this statement - I no longer crave these things nor indeed want them.
5) - nobody disputes IIFYM's works - in fact you can still do IIFYM whilst cutting back on sugar (wow it's a flexible system).
6) - not always but sometimes the comments from posters go from being blunt to absolutely pointless.
Yes everyone is different but that majority of yo yo dieters are yo yo dieters because they gave up too much, which isn't needed...note I said needed. If someone truely wants to give up whole food groups go ahead but history says it isn't sustainable and the best way to predict future is to look at the past...
as for point 2 don't put your feelings onto me...I am not sensitive about people giving up food...people can do what they want but I will give an alternatives to elminating whole food groups as it is not necessary...and that's not an opinion that is fact.
As for me speaking from experience it wasn't a study it's perspective...big difference.
As for point number 6 you of all people are chastizing comments for being pointless...need I remind you of page one where you chose to address me individually as to why I care...that was pointless...pot meet kettle...
You jumped on this post because you want people on your side of the equation...that side being the side that gives up food or food groups...you are adament that your way is great, works etc...fine it works but it works because you are in a calorie deficet...not because you gave up food groups etc.
As well maybe giving up sugar has made you feel better and you don't crave that stuff anymore...but perhaps the reason you feel great has nothing to do it with it...maybe it's the weight you lost that makes you feel great, the extra exercise..
And to quote you...a study of one and not everyone will react as you did.
As well..you aren't a woman...which does have an effect on what we crave/want.
Perspective for you...I don't crave chocolate...I like chocolate...so I eat chocolate. Sometimes it has nothing to do with cravings but more about likes...
As well cravings imho have always been about what you body is lacking because I actually craved sour cream when I was pregnant...ate it on everything...couldn't get enough of it...stopped at actually eating it from the container tho.0 -
to the OP...
1) The reason you got a lot of people saying no don't do it is because we know that limited food and/or food groups from your diet is not sustainable.
Think about it this way...this isn't a diet...it is a new way of eating for life. 2) Sugar is not the devil, sugar alone does not cause weight gain...no food does it is the quantity of the food you eat not the types.
If you have a medical condition that requires you to limit certian foods or types of food that's fine and understandable...but if you don't there is not reason.
Look at this new thing you are doing as how you are going to eat for the rest of your life...just in smaller portions. As you get closer to maintenance you increase your portion size (and calories) and instead of re introducing all those foods you cut out back in you are already eating them.
4) As well if you cut out foods you like/crave/love you are more likely to binge on them at a later date, feel bad about yourself and fall into old habits again because you feel like you failed so why bother going any further.
3) Yes these words come from experience.
As for your book...sugar does not turn into fat and make you fat...excess calories make you fat.
5) As for advice eat at reasonable calorie deficit,
set your weekly weight loss goal at about 1lb a week (I suspect you don't have 100lbs to lose),
exercise if you want and eat back part of those calories, if you don't want to exercise don't...
Log everything you eat and weigh your solids so you know how much you are eating
Choose the correct entries...by that I mean don't use ones that have the words generic, homemade or start with an asterik (*) they are user entered...check nutrional values and confirmations
If you can't find a correct entry make your own based on the label.
Losing weight requires one sacrifice...eat less calories than you burn that's it.
Now for the forums random strangers on the internet shouldn't have that much affect on your self esteem and confidence...I mean they aren't in your life, and shouldn't be able to dictate your mood...if they can...stay out of the forums...this was tame...wait until someone is really mean (where they get removed from the forums for their post)
There are a lot of very smart people here who know what they are talking about and don't sugar coat it...(excuse the pun) 6) yes they are blunt (I've been accused of it as well) but all in all they are too the point and right.
1) - everyone is different - what may be un-sustainable for one person will not be un-sustainable for another (we need a broader perspective on this point).
2) Most normal people do not think Sugar is the devil - I certainly don't. Just because someone wants to cut back on something does not mean they hate the thing - that's your sensitive interpretation of it.
3) - that's based on your study of one. Again not every one will react to food or think the same as you.
4) - based on my study of one - I must disagree with this statement - I no longer crave these things nor indeed want them.
5) - nobody disputes IIFYM's works - in fact you can still do IIFYM whilst cutting back on sugar (wow it's a flexible system).
6) - not always but sometimes the comments from posters go from being blunt to absolutely pointless.
Yes everyone is different but that majority of yo yo dieters are yo yo dieters because they gave up too much, which isn't needed...note I said needed. If someone truely wants to give up whole food groups go ahead but history says it isn't sustainable and the best way to predict future is to look at the past...
as for point 2 don't put your feelings onto me...I am not sensitive about people giving up food...people can do what they want but I will give an alternatives to elminating whole food groups as it is not necessary...and that's not an opinion that is fact.
As for me speaking from experience it wasn't a study it's perspective...big difference.
1) As for point number 6 you of all people are chastizing comments for being pointless...need I remind you of page one where you chose to address me individually as to why I care...that was pointless...pot meet kettle...
2) You jumped on this post because you want people on your side of the equation...that side being the side that gives up food or food groups...you are adament that your way is great, works etc...fine it works but it works because you are in a calorie deficet...not because you gave up food groups etc.
As well maybe giving up sugar has made you feel better and you don't crave that stuff anymore...but perhaps the reason you feel great has nothing to do it with it...maybe it's the weight you lost that makes you feel great, the extra exercise..
And to quote you...a study of one and not everyone will react as you did.
As well..you aren't a woman...which does have an effect on what we crave/want.
Perspective for you...I don't crave chocolate...I like chocolate...so I eat chocolate. Sometimes it has nothing to do with cravings but more about likes...
As well cravings imho have always been about what you body is lacking because I actually craved sour cream when I was pregnant...ate it on everything...couldn't get enough of it...stopped at actually eating it from the container tho.
1) - agreed I am as guilty as everyone else - difference is I'm aware of it.
2) - if you check most of my posts I only get into threads (not all the time but most) where the OP has specifically asked a question about, cutting food groups, going low carb etc.....
What I would not do is go onto a IIFYM thread, vegan thread or another thread where the OP has not asked or commented on the things above and hoist my views on them.
If every I am guilty of that it is on VLCD or miracle diet pills and normally I will offer studies to suggest it might not be the best course of action and most of the time I will suggest calorie counting as well as LCHF as alternatives (balanced view).0 -
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We obviously have different ideas on what the word recommend is - My interpretation is that it is advise as apposed to an order or instruction - what's yours?
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No disagreement on the definition. It's a silly recommendation with no good basis in research or knowledge.
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Well then don't do it, your an adult and have freedom of choice!0
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