40lbs v Sugar!!
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We obviously have different ideas on what the word recommend is - My interpretation is that it is advise as apposed to an order or instruction - what's yours?No disagreement on the definition. It's a silly recommendation with no good basis in research or knowledge.Well then don't do it, your an adult and have freedom of choice!
You are making recommendations to others that have no basis in research or knowledge. I don't post in threads like this for my benefit, I do it for people reading these threads to try and get them to think critically and avoid falling for silly recommendations made by people who have no business giving advice.
What would be the harm of someone cutting back on sugar for a month? If a 100 people did it and at the end of that month 99% went back to eating how they did before and the 1% found a health benefit (please, I know you are not naïve enough to think some people do not have issues with sugar that cutting it back wouldn't help) I think for that 1% the 30 day trial would be worth it.
I think a sillier recommendation would be to not try different things - if you've never tried cutting back sugar on your diet where is your base line comparison for normal?
Also I do not think anyone on this forum has any business telling people NOT to do anything - so I'm sorry to have to disagree with you Dr Sonofabeach.
My radar goes off when someone has to resort to name calling to get their point across
I tongue in cheek called him doctor - not really name calling.
Anyway weren't you the one who promised to put me on ignore?
Nope. I enjoy a bit of entertainment
My previous comments to you were regarding your empty diary. Carry on. Cheers!
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****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
We obviously have different ideas on what the word recommend is - My interpretation is that it is advise as apposed to an order or instruction - what's yours?No disagreement on the definition. It's a silly recommendation with no good basis in research or knowledge.Well then don't do it, your an adult and have freedom of choice!
You are making recommendations to others that have no basis in research or knowledge. I don't post in threads like this for my benefit, I do it for people reading these threads to try and get them to think critically and avoid falling for silly recommendations made by people who have no business giving advice.
What would be the harm of someone cutting back on sugar for a month? If a 100 people did it and at the end of that month 99% went back to eating how they did before and the 1% found a health benefit (please, I know you are not naïve enough to think some people do not have issues with sugar that cutting it back wouldn't help) I think for that 1% the 30 day trial would be worth it.
I think a sillier recommendation would be to not try different things - if you've never tried cutting back sugar on your diet where is your base line comparison for normal?
Also I do not think anyone on this forum has any business telling people NOT to do anything - so I'm sorry to have to disagree with you Dr Sonofabeach.
My radar goes off when someone has to resort to name calling to get their point across
I tongue in cheek called him doctor - not really name calling.
Anyway weren't you the one who promised to put me on ignore?
Nope. I enjoy a bit of entertainment My previous comments to you were regarding your empty diary. Carry on. Cheers!
Thanks will do.0 -
****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****0
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****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
Again...why let other people's debates in the threads affect you? You're the OP find the information you were looking for from the comments and ignore the rest. The debate isn't about you anymore it's about them? Good luck with your weight loss. Figure out what works for you - you did actually get some advice in here somewhere - take it for what it is. This isn't the first thread on MFP to end this way.0 -
Hi All
I have just OFFICIALLY started MFP today and I'm going to avoid all sugar even fruit. I'm sure I crave iy and want to give it a go!
Has anyone else done this and if so how did they find it and what results if any did they find?
Thanks for reading!!!!
It's a very uninformed idea and will not help you in weightloss, because you will fail. Lowering added sugar , especially from overly processed foods ? Great idea! Avoiding all sugar, even fruit speaks only ( with all due respect ) of your ignorance when it comes to nutrition & health.0 -
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OP - I read the comments. However, reading them did not make me change my mind that giving up all sugars is the answer or even a good idea. I do not recall your answer when someone asked you if you are giving up dairy and carbs. But it seems we will never know because.....
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****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
another sugar thread ends in a rage quit….
the cycle has completed itself again ...0 -
Truly, sugar is not the problem. it's the amount of unnecessary sugar you consume.
I see previous notes where "all sugar is the same" Common sense says that an apple is not as bad as a 3-tier cake with gobs of icing. Compare the two; see the difference
But you don't know me, and you don't know my qualifications. If you are dieting under a doctor's care, ask for a referral to a nutritionist and pose your question to them.
More people than not hurt themselves by making uninformed decisions
I have lost over 30 lbs and I have a sugar issue, but I am getting there by making intelligent decisions on a moderation diet
Either way, good luck0 -
Truly, sugar is not the problem. it's the amount of unnecessary sugar you consume.
I see previous notes where "all sugar is the same" Common sense says that an apple is not as bad as a 3-tier cake with gobs of icing. Compare the two; see the difference
But you don't know me, and you don't know my qualifications. If you are dieting under a doctor's care, ask for a referral to a nutritionist and pose your question to them.
More people than not hurt themselves by making uninformed decisions
I have lost over 30 lbs and I have a sugar issue, but I am getting there by making intelligent decisions on a moderation diet
Either way, good luck
No one said an apple is the same as cake nutritionally, people were pointing out the fallacy of saying the sugar in cake is bad for you but the sugar in the apple is good for you. Isolate the sugar from each item, and your body will not be able to tell the difference between the sugar from the apple and the sugar from the cake. It will simply break down the molecules and metabolize it. That's science.0 -
Truly, sugar is not the problem. it's the amount of unnecessary sugar you consume.
This is correct. Moderation is key.
I see previous notes where "all sugar is the same" Common sense says that an apple is not as bad as a 3-tier cake with gobs of icing. Compare the two; see the difference
The difference is the amount of sugar, not the sugar itself, and you seem to be contradicting your statement above.
But you don't know me, and you don't know my qualifications. If you are dieting under a doctor's care, ask for a referral to a nutritionist and pose your question to them.
Okay
More people than not hurt themselves by making uninformed decisions
Agreed. There is a reason many of us attempt to have intelligent discussion in these forums.
I have lost over 30 lbs and I have a sugar issue, but I am getting there by making intelligent decisions on a moderation diet
Either way, good luck
Congratulations. Keep that up. Moderation and sustainability are key. If you look around you will find many of us who have lost quite a bit of weight and kept it off by making intelligent decisions and not depriving ourselves of things we like.0 -
NO need to apologize. We all have different nutritional needs and goals. I'm in the process of cutting out sugars. Good Luck.0
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****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
I really wish people would learn to keep an open mind, listen, and think critically rather than coming in here with their minds made up about some fad that they are convinced is the solution to all their weight loss and health problems. It's a discussion forum, FFS, not everyone is going to agree though there are plenty of correct answers to many of the basic questions people pose, and plenty of wrong ones too.0 -
****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
I really wish people would learn to keep an open mind, listen, and think critically rather than coming in here with their minds made up about some fad that they are convinced is the solution to all their weight loss and health problems. It's a discussion forum, FFS, not everyone is going to agree though there are plenty of correct answers to many of the basic questions people pose, and plenty of wrong ones too.
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****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
I really wish people would learn to keep an open mind, listen, and think critically rather than coming in here with their minds made up about some fad that they are convinced is the solution to all their weight loss and health problems. It's a discussion forum, FFS, not everyone is going to agree though there are plenty of correct answers to many of the basic questions people pose, and plenty of wrong ones too.
I knew you would try to take issue with this, but you see, that "think critically" part is, in a word, critical. You have demonstrated again and again to be incapable of it.
ETA: keep trying to get your gif posted. You'll succeed eventually. :flowerforyou:0 -
Why have you made this topic so many times? I now don't like you.
I didn't realise everyone read EXACTLY the same forums so do apologise however with regards to you not liking me quite frankly I think if you haven't got anything constructive to say you should grow up. I though people on here were meant to be mature and polite!!
It's called "recent topics" you fool.
And don't tell me to "grow up" when you're the one behaving like a child. Giving up sugar is nearly as ridiculous as raspberry ketones. I suggest you read about the human body and the requirement of sugar rather than silly books on fad diets.0 -
Susie,
I did cut out all sugar on the 17 day diet for the first phase…sort of a "detox" and had great results. After that I switched to a sensible calorie goal and balanced diet using MFP. I have lost 26 pounds since January 6th. After cutting out sugar for a week or so, I found those cravings went away and I felt so much better! I agree fruit has many benefits, but I do believe that cutting out sugar for a bit is healthy for your body. I now limit sugar to the suggestions on MFP ( fruit sugar and other sugar included - it's all sugar) and I feel great with tons more energy.
Just my two cents!
Good luck!
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****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
I really wish people would learn to keep an open mind, listen, and think critically rather than coming in here with their minds made up about some fad that they are convinced is the solution to all their weight loss and health problems. It's a discussion forum, FFS, not everyone is going to agree though there are plenty of correct answers to many of the basic questions people pose, and plenty of wrong ones too.
I knew you would try to take issue with this, but you see, that "think critically" part is, in a word, critical. You have demonstrated again and again to be incapable of it.
ETA: keep trying to get your gif posted. You'll succeed eventually. :flowerforyou:
:laugh: Thanks I thought that was a particular good gif.
I certainly did take issue with your statement as IMHO most of the OP's (particularly the newbies do not have a narrow minds) they have an idea of a way of doing something and post their thread because they are looking for more information and yes sometimes affirmation.
I find that it is the handful of regular faces (and I'll include yourself and myself with this) that have the narrowest of minds, you have your idea of what works and what doesn't and you can call upon you bias studies to cement your unmoveable believe and I likewise.
Although I have U-turned as I once shared your opinion. :drinker:0 -
****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
I really wish people would learn to keep an open mind, listen, and think critically rather than coming in here with their minds made up about some fad that they are convinced is the solution to all their weight loss and health problems. It's a discussion forum, FFS, not everyone is going to agree though there are plenty of correct answers to many of the basic questions people pose, and plenty of wrong ones too.
I knew you would try to take issue with this, but you see, that "think critically" part is, in a word, critical. You have demonstrated again and again to be incapable of it.
ETA: keep trying to get your gif posted. You'll succeed eventually. :flowerforyou:
:laugh: Thanks I thought that was a particular good gif.
I certainly did take issue with your statement as IMHO most of the OP's (particularly the newbies do not have a narrow minds) they have an idea of a way of doing something and post their thread because they are looking for more information and yes sometimes affirmation.
I find that it is the handful of regular faces (and I'll include yourself and myself with this) that have the narrowest of minds, you have your idea of what works and what doesn't and you can call upon you bias studies to cement your unmoveable believe and I likewise.
Although I have U-turned as I once shared your opinion. :drinker:
LOL, wut? :laugh: :noway:0 -
I have never posted in a MFP forum before (I usually just peruse) but I i have actually experienced what you are proposing to do so I thought I'd give my two cents and experience (hopefully this isn't an epic first post fail haha).
will not re quote your long post in its entirety - but what you wrote was a sensible moderate approach to reducing sugar intake - I don't think anyone would take issue with that.0 -
Yesterday for instance I had lunch too late and felt bonked. .
I do hope this sentence doesn't mean what it would mean in Australia !! :laugh:0 -
****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
I really wish people would learn to keep an open mind, listen, and think critically rather than coming in here with their minds made up about some fad that they are convinced is the solution to all their weight loss and health problems. It's a discussion forum, FFS, not everyone is going to agree though there are plenty of correct answers to many of the basic questions people pose, and plenty of wrong ones too.
I knew you would try to take issue with this, but you see, that "think critically" part is, in a word, critical. You have demonstrated again and again to be incapable of it.
ETA: keep trying to get your gif posted. You'll succeed eventually. :flowerforyou:
:laugh: Thanks I thought that was a particular good gif.
I certainly did take issue with your statement as IMHO most of the OP's (particularly the newbies do not have a narrow minds) they have an idea of a way of doing something and post their thread because they are looking for more information and yes sometimes affirmation.
I find that it is the handful of regular faces (and I'll include yourself and myself with this) that have the narrowest of minds, you have your idea of what works and what doesn't and you can call upon you bias studies to cement your unmoveable believe and I likewise.
Although I have U-turned as I once shared your opinion. :drinker:
LOL, wut? :laugh: :noway:
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****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
I really wish people would learn to keep an open mind, listen, and think critically rather than coming in here with their minds made up about some fad that they are convinced is the solution to all their weight loss and health problems. It's a discussion forum, FFS, not everyone is going to agree though there are plenty of correct answers to many of the basic questions people pose, and plenty of wrong ones too.
I knew you would try to take issue with this, but you see, that "think critically" part is, in a word, critical. You have demonstrated again and again to be incapable of it.
ETA: keep trying to get your gif posted. You'll succeed eventually. :flowerforyou:
:laugh: Thanks I thought that was a particular good gif.
I certainly did take issue with your statement as IMHO most of the OP's (particularly the newbies do not have a narrow minds) they have an idea of a way of doing something and post their thread because they are looking for more information and yes sometimes affirmation.
I find that it is the handful of regular faces (and I'll include yourself and myself with this) that have the narrowest of minds, you have your idea of what works and what doesn't and you can call upon you bias studies to cement your unmoveable believe and I likewise.
Although I have U-turned as I once shared your opinion. :drinker:
LOL, wut? :laugh: :noway:
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Gif problems again? Keep trying! :flowerforyou:0 -
No it's okay I know they upset you.0
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No it's okay I know they upset you.
And quote problems too. :laugh:
I think you're misinterpreting my utter amusement with you with upset. :flowerforyou:0 -
No it's okay I know they upset you.
And quote problems too. :laugh:
I think you're misinterpreting my utter amusement with you with upset. :flowerforyou:
:laugh: - uncontrollable (I really didn't think I'd got your goat that much).0 -
Why have you made this topic so many times? I now don't like you.
I didn't realise everyone read EXACTLY the same forums so do apologise however with regards to you not liking me quite frankly I think if you haven't got anything constructive to say you should grow up. I though people on here were meant to be mature and polite!!
It's called "recent topics" you fool.
And don't tell me to "grow up" when you're the one behaving like a child. Giving up sugar is nearly as ridiculous as raspberry ketones. I suggest you read about the human body and the requirement of sugar rather than silly books on fad diets.
To comment quote 'I now don't like you' is I believe a nasty comment made by yourself, you do not know me and if anything that was a very ignorant and CHILDISH comment to make so grow up!0 -
Why have you made this topic so many times? I now don't like you.
I didn't realise everyone read EXACTLY the same forums so do apologise however with regards to you not liking me quite frankly I think if you haven't got anything constructive to say you should grow up. I though people on here were meant to be mature and polite!!
Hi,
You may find this article of interest - It's not as crazy as people would like to believe.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/14/life-without-sugar-family-challenge-diet?CMP=fb_gu
I found this article very interesting^^ thank you for posting it. I felt amazing at about the two week mark as well. I have gradually added a bit more sugar into my diet (whole grain breads, jelly, things of that nature) but for the most part I try to keep it to minimum. It is 100% true though that those first couple of weeks are so brutal.0 -
Thanks Lorin and all those who have been supportive it's most appreciated as I have been upset with the 'tone' of some of the messages.0
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****** You know what people you've seriously upset me and I really daren't even read the comments now so I'm going to delete my account and forget it - you win! Thanks for your support! *****
Not trying to come down on you, but quitting really isn't the answer and it can be used as an excuse. You have options, like staying off the forums. But if you want to quit, then that's something you do because you decide to do. no one can make you feel or do anything on the internet.0 -
Truly, sugar is not the problem. it's the amount of unnecessary sugar you consume.
I see previous notes where "all sugar is the same" Common sense says that an apple is not as bad as a 3-tier cake with gobs of icing. Compare the two; see the difference
But you don't know me, and you don't know my qualifications. If you are dieting under a doctor's care, ask for a referral to a nutritionist and pose your question to them.
More people than not hurt themselves by making uninformed decisions
I have lost over 30 lbs and I have a sugar issue, but I am getting there by making intelligent decisions on a moderation diet
Either way, good luck
Yes - I see the difference. The biggest one is the amount of calories between the two.
OP.
Limit the sugar from non-nutrient dense foods if you need to in order to hit your calories/macros/micros. If they are a trigger, you may want to eliminate until they are not. Keep the nutrient dense foods in your diet. Eat to a reasonable caloric deficit, set and hit your macros that are appropriate to you. Be patient.0
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