large or small breakfast to lose weight?
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I am not going to do the multi quote thing here ... I am just going to share what I personally experience. If I eat protein in the morning I don't need to eat until late morning or lunch time...If I eat carbs in the morning I am hungry an hour later...our bodies know when we are hungry...obviously my body will metabolize carbs faster than protein.
I work shift work and my eating habits are different on night shifts than they are on day shifts - on night shifts I am a grazer on day shifts I have a more structured meal plan.0 -
slice of raisin toast at 0600, workout at 0630 and then plain greek yogurt with berries about 930AM. I eat at least 5 smaller meals daily.0
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Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.
I gotta say, if I had the choice of looking like a bodybuilder or someone 50+ pounds overweight.... I know which I'd choose.
And people do have a "right" to be insulting, crass, and totally classless, yes. That is true.
It's a good thing there are more choices.
I knew that about you when you made your first sarcastic statement towards me.0 -
My foundation and knowledge comes from following the advice of experts in the field just like your come from ETF. Do your own research by checking wtih your doctors and other "reputable" health experts in the field.
My pediatrician when I was a child told my mother I was fine, despite me liking to oddly hang my head to one side. Should she have listened without questioning, I would be dead.
My point is, just because you have a degree, doesn't mean your advice should not be questioned or sought other sources for. Doctors are, after all, human.0 -
Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.
You are indeed entitled to you opinions. The problem is that you try to pass off your misinformed opinion and body complex issues as competent advice. If you think your opinions are worth something, then you better be prepared to be called out and defend them. My opinion? Deal in facts and science.
My opinions are not misinformed. Furthermore, I have never tried to pass off my opinions on others. I merely posted my opinions like the rest of you. I don't have a problem being called out because I don't have any problems calling you out. If you think your opinions are worth anything then you better be ready to back it up with medical and health facts and evidence from the experts in the field.0 -
Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.
You are indeed entitled to you opinions. The problem is that you try to pass off your misinformed opinion and body complex issues as competent advice. If you think your opinions are worth something, then you better be prepared to be called out and defend them. My opinion? Deal in facts and science.
My opinions are not misinformed. Furthermore, I have never tried to pass off my opinions on others. I merely posted my opinions like the rest of you. I don't have a problem being called out because I don't have any problems calling you out. If you think your opinions are worth anything then you better be ready to back it up with medical and health facts and evidence from the experts in the field.
I have yet to see you back yours up, aside from saying "I have a doctor". Link me things so I can take a gander at your facts.0 -
Duly noted.If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
By the way, the body shaming of bodybuilders is a nice touch too.
Some bodybuilders shame themselves!
Evidently, so do some posters on these forums.
Rigger
Evidently, so do those posters who chose to read and complain instead of just skipping over the posts.
I don't skip over posts in which ignorance (needing to be corrected) is being spewed. Nor am I complaining, quite the contrary, I'm highly entertained by your stunning lack of class.
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Then you must be referring to yourself because you are the one that spewed that another poster and I were wrong for our opinions which placed you at the bottom of the stack of class in my opinion.0 -
Soapfan777, please read this study. Understand that even medical doctors have great reservations about their required nutrition education. The people in this thread are not randomly casting aspersions on good doctors and medical professionals attempting to help people improve their lives.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/4/941S.full.pdf+html
Please consider for a moment that dietitians, athletes, isolated populations, medical professionals and other scientists help push nutrition knowledge forward, not just medical professionals alone.0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories. There is a lot of truth to that saying about breakfast being the most important meal of the day. Breakfast or lack of sets you up for the rest of the day. Breakfast doesn't have to be big. A granola bar with light yogurt works. A mini-bagel with yogurt or fruit and granola or bar also works. Grab a protein bar with fruit. This will curve your hunger throughout the day. You could buy these items beforehand and grab and go in the morning.
Meal timing, size and frequency has little to no effect on weight loss (read: so minute it doesn't matter). Thermic Effect of Food (TEF) is the smallest determining variable when it comes to metabolism.Since you speak of your experience, how do you explain weight loss from intermittent fasting?
Bottom line, burn more calories then you consume. How and when you do it is pretty much irrelevant in weight loss. Law of biological thermodymics.
I don't agree with your assessment because size and timing of meals have much to do with healthy weight loss?
My "experience" led me to believe there are various weight loss methods, not all are healthy. One more time! The point isn't whether or not weight loss is achieve, rather if healthy weight loss is achieved through the method a person chose (i.e. intermittent fasting).
So your "experience" gives you the foundational and scientific knowledge required to determine whether "healthy" weight loss can be achieved? So not eating breakfast, or not eating every 4 hours is unhealthy? How so? And what research have you done or read to come to this conclusion? Please post a link... hopefully not to Dr. Oz
My foundation and knowledge comes from following the advice of experts in the field just like your come from ETF. Do your own research by checking wtih your doctors and other "reputable" health experts in the field.
Experts! Well then it must be true. Do share your sources.
Here's my personal experience - you don't have to eat every 4 hours to succeed at weight loss. If you like eating every 4 hours...by all means do so!! But if eating every 4 hours is an inconvenience, or eating breakfast is not your bag, you should not force yourself a schedule that doesn't fit...that's when people fail, give up and go back to their bad habits. There's no need to make it complicated.
1 - calorie deficit
2 - try and make the bulk of your diet healthy but don't sweat a few treats here and there
3 - Exercise!!! Ok or don't, it's not necessary for weight loss but it is necessary for good health. It's a personal choice.
4 - water0 -
Then you must be referring to yourself because you are the one that spewed that another poster and I were wrong for our opinions which placed you at the bottom of the stack of class in my opinion.
So if you're opinion is wrong, and I correct your misinformation that makes me classless? Seems legit. :noway:
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Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
Many people in general practice unhealthy lifestyles, so that point is moot.
You don't have to want to look like a body builder, my point being is they build muscle (which is difficult to do with bad health practices) and achieve great feats by being health conscious. health and fitness is about feeding your body the right nutrients and training to achieve your goals, which is what many people do every single day eating in a timing that doesn't fit your very close minded view.
If the point is moot then why did you bring it up? I couldn't care less about the manner in which body builders formulate their deformed nasty looking bodies unhealthy bodies. Their methods are not healthly at all. Like I previously stated, if that's your point of reference then knock yourself out. I will continue to follow the advice of medical and health professionals who have invested years in the business and not those of bodybuilders. If this makes me a close minded person then I wear it proudly.
Are you for real? You really need to address your nasty unhealthy attitude. Body shaming not cool, ever!
I am very real and I don't need to address my feelings or attitudes about some body builders.0 -
I don't eat breakfast at all, and I usually don't eat lunch either. I find that as soon as I eat I get hungry so I put it off until dinner usually.0
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Agreed. Try as hard as you can to stay away from carbs in the AM.0
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Considering your body needs about 8 hours of sleep in order to process the food intake, exercise and water, my answer is no.
Good for you but it doesn't change the facts from the experts who are educated and practice health management for a living.
BTW - Many bodybuilders practice unhealthy lifestyles nor do I want to be or look like a bodybuilder. Therefore, if that is your point of reference then I'll pass.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
Link to so called experts on your end plz.0 -
First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.
I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.0 -
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First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.
I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.
Therein lies the issue.0 -
Funny what works for one person,doesn't for another.
I love oatmeal & could eat it every morn. Problem is,I'm way more hungry after eating it for breakfast.So I usually have a high fiber bar & fresh fruit.It keeps me full till lunch.Whatever works for you. I tried small breakfasts for a few weeks and I was miserable. I would want to cry by the time lunch rolled around. Now I have a bowl of oatmeal made with milk, 200-240 calories depending on what I out it in, and I survive just fine until lunch.0 -
First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.
I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.
I don't feel that the sky is blue today, so it probably isn't.
Seriously Soapfan, if you want to contribute positively to the community, then you might want to think about how you convey your opinions.
Instead of "Body builders are nasty and unhealthy" try... "I do not want to look like a body builder". Just because you don't like how a body builder looks or have met body builders who are unhealthy, doesn't mean that everyone feels that way and that this the general truth of the world.0 -
We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.
You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?
You are in fact wrong. And lol you questioning other people's credentials when you have none.
You are simply wrong. You are in error. On top of that, your attitude is in the gutter and your body shaming is despicable. Not only do you have no scientific evidence or expertise to fall back on, you also apparently have no record of any kind of success, let alone lasting success.
Take a look at yourself, your scientific knowledge, and (most of all) your actual current state of affairs and success before you ridicule others.
Right back at ya! Your attitude was in the gutter from your very first post to me about you being a mutant. It wasn't necessary to respond that way. Now, you wonder about my attitude. Give me a break! I will ridicule anyone I please just as you and a few other just attempted to ridcule me. Practice what you preach!0 -
First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.
I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.
I suppose if YOU don't see it then it doesn't exist, much like the several studies in this thread that refute your position which seem to have escaped your gaze.
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We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.
You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?
You are in fact wrong. And lol you questioning other people's credentials when you have none.
You are simply wrong. You are in error. On top of that, your attitude is in the gutter and your body shaming is despicable. Not only do you have no scientific evidence or expertise to fall back on, you also apparently have no record of any kind of success, let alone lasting success.
Take a look at yourself, your scientific knowledge, and (most of all) your actual current state of affairs and success before you ridicule others.
Right back at ya! Your attitude was in the gutter from your very first post to me about you being a mutant. It wasn't necessary to respond that way. Now, you wonder about my attitude. Give me a break! I will ridicule anyone I please just as you and a few other just attempted to ridcule me. Practice what you preach!
They aren't the mutant. I am ;P0 -
The idea that soapfan would read a scientific study is funny.
And oh by the way your comments were incredibly inappropriate and insulting.
How is a bodybuilder supposed to feel after you said their body is disgusting? Something OTHER than insulted?0 -
Waiting for soapfan's inevitable "LOLOLOL I TROLL U!" post ...0
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The smartest rule of thumb I have heard to date:
Breakfast: Eat like a king
Lunch: Eat like a price
Dinner: Eat like a pauper
I have trained myself to fuel my body for the day going this route and am less prone to late night snacking.0 -
If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories.
That's not true. Also, your body burns calories just being alive... Unless after the 4 hour Window. ..zombies
I have to disagree because it's not the point that your body burn calories just by being alive. The point is it will burn slow and will not burn enough to lose weight.
You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Your body can't tell time, and the changes in metabolism are so minute, and so slow that you'll never notice them, especially not within a four hour window. Meal timing is meaningless to weight loss, and to the previous poster who mentioned a high protein breakfast to speed metabolism, false, the same principle applies.
OP eat a big, or small, or no breakfast if that's what suits your lifestyle, calorie deficit is what matters.
Rigger
We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.
You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?
Who is this "we" you speak of? Last time I checked you're in this one alone with your nonsense opinions on metabolism. You do know that medical opinion changes over time correct? At one point, the standard cure for most diseases was blood-letting. Do you think it's possible that you and your "medical professionals" none of which you have actually cited, are propagating outdated science? Or is that just way outside your narrow scope of understanding?
Rigger
The "we" referred to your comments to the poster who suggested a high protein breakfast. I am very much aware medical information changes over time. I will cite my sources as soon as you cite yours. The same could be stated about the sources you use...right? or is that something your narrow scope of understanding can't comprehend?0 -
First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.
I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.
I don't feel that the sky is blue today, so it probably isn't.
Seriously OP, if you want to contribute positively to the community, then you might want to think about how you convey your opinions.
Instead of "Body builders are nasty and unhealthy" try... "I do not want to look like a body builder". Just because you don't like how a body builder looks or have met body builders who are unhealthy, doesn't mean that everyone feels that way and that this the general truth of the world.
Umm...Yeah Soapfan is not the OP. The OP's question was answered several times by page 2.
(What you eat and the quantity are far more important than when you eat, so do what helps you stay best on track to meet your goals. Most people seems to be able to agree on this anyway...)0 -
You lose weight by eating at a calorie deficit and eating whatever, and whenever, it works best for you.0
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First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.
I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.
I don't feel that the sky is blue today, so it probably isn't.
Seriously OP, if you want to contribute positively to the community, then you might want to think about how you convey your opinions.
Instead of "Body builders are nasty and unhealthy" try... "I do not want to look like a body builder". Just because you don't like how a body builder looks or have met body builders who are unhealthy, doesn't mean that everyone feels that way and that this the general truth of the world.
Umm...Yeah Soapfan is not the OP. The OP's question was answered several times by page 2.
(What you eat and the quantity are far more important than when you eat, so do what helps you stay best on track to meet your goals. Most people seems to be able to agree on this anyway...)
Eep! Sorry! I totally don't know why I did that.... Editing now.0 -
The "we" referred to your comments to the poster who suggested a high protein breakfast. I am very much aware medical information changes over time. I will cite my sources as soon as you cite yours. The same could be stated about the sources you use...right? or is that something your narrow scope of understanding can't comprehend?
I don't need to cite my sources, because they have already been cited IN THIS THREAD by other posters, now, kindly produce yours as you stated you would.
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