large or small breakfast to lose weight?

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  • fairygirlpie9
    fairygirlpie9 Posts: 288 Member
    In order to lose weight you need a calorie deficit. That's it - the end. This topic does not need to be 4 pages long.
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    My foundation and knowledge comes from following the advice of experts in the field just like your come from ETF. Do your own research by checking wtih your doctors and other "reputable" health experts in the field.

    My pediatrician when I was a child told my mother I was fine, despite me liking to oddly hang my head to one side. Should she have listened without questioning, I would be dead.

    My point is, just because you have a degree, doesn't mean your advice should not be questioned or sought other sources for. Doctors are, after all, human.


    If your mother should have gotten a second opinion by another expert then a third and fourth, too. I know doctors are human but they are still far more educated than the average person. This is the reason I reference many professionals and Dr. Oz is not one of them.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    The "we" referred to your comments to the poster who suggested a high protein breakfast. I am very much aware medical information changes over time. I will cite my sources as soon as you cite yours. The same could be stated about the sources you use...right? or is that something your narrow scope of understanding can't comprehend?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985

    2x.
  • samamps88
    samamps88 Posts: 52
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    If you go more than 4 hours without food then your blood sugar will drop which in turn drops your metabolism. If your metabolism is low then your body won't burn calories.

    That's not true. Also, your body burns calories just being alive... Unless after the 4 hour Window. ..zombies

    I have to disagree because it's not the point that your body burn calories just by being alive. The point is it will burn slow and will not burn enough to lose weight.

    You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Your body can't tell time, and the changes in metabolism are so minute, and so slow that you'll never notice them, especially not within a four hour window. Meal timing is meaningless to weight loss, and to the previous poster who mentioned a high protein breakfast to speed metabolism, false, the same principle applies.

    OP eat a big, or small, or no breakfast if that's what suits your lifestyle, calorie deficit is what matters.

    Rigger


    We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.

    You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?

    Who is this "we" you speak of? Last time I checked you're in this one alone with your nonsense opinions on metabolism. You do know that medical opinion changes over time correct? At one point, the standard cure for most diseases was blood-letting. Do you think it's possible that you and your "medical professionals" none of which you have actually cited, are propagating outdated science? Or is that just way outside your narrow scope of understanding?

    Rigger

    The "we" referred to your comments to the poster who suggested a high protein breakfast. I am very much aware medical information changes over time. I will cite my sources as soon as you cite yours. The same could be stated about the sources you use...right? or is that something your narrow scope of understanding can't comprehend?
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    So yeh at least 4 different studies from reputable sources have been cited proving that what you have said is not scientifically true.

    If you Want more go through my old posts I cited at least one more stating that the thermic effect of food (ie the reason believed eating regularly helps lose weight) is about as beneficial as twitching your left toe.
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    Therein lies the issue.

    Therein lies the issue with you if you haven't concluded comments made towards me were nasty and inappropiate as well.
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    We are not wrong just because you don't agree with us. Your body knows when it needs food in order to balance your blood sugar and increase your metabolism. A four hour window is a long time for some people to go without food if their goal is to lose weight.

    You are here telling people they are wrong. Where did you get your medical or nutritional degree? No, I don't have one but I follow the advice of those do. How about you?

    You are in fact wrong. And lol you questioning other people's credentials when you have none.

    You are simply wrong. You are in error. On top of that, your attitude is in the gutter and your body shaming is despicable. Not only do you have no scientific evidence or expertise to fall back on, you also apparently have no record of any kind of success, let alone lasting success.

    Take a look at yourself, your scientific knowledge, and (most of all) your actual current state of affairs and success before you ridicule others.


    Right back at ya! Your attitude was in the gutter from your very first post to me about you being a mutant. It wasn't necessary to respond that way. Now, you wonder about my attitude. Give me a break! I will ridicule anyone I please just as you and a few other just attempted to ridcule me. Practice what you preach!

    They aren't the mutant. I am ;P

    Well the same applies to them as well as you.
  • knra_grl
    knra_grl Posts: 1,566 Member
    In order to lose weight you need a calorie deficit. That's it - the end. This topic does not need to be 4 pages long.

    ^^^^

    OP asked a simple question - she gets up and eats something small before she goes to classes and eats lunch at 10:30 in the morning - if this works for her there is nothing wrong with continuing with that pattern. This will allow her to have more calories for later in the day when perhaps she wants to eat a bigger meal. Everyone is different and she needs to do what works for her personally. Sometimes I put breakfast off and have brunch - it has NOT affected my weightloss in any way - I am still losing weight. Hopefully OP you have found an answer to your question in here somewhere! :ohwell:
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    Therein lies the issue.

    Therein lies the issue with you if you haven't concluded comments made towards me were nasty and inappropiate as well.

    Which one of us called your body disgusting and mutated?
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    I suppose if YOU don't see it then it doesn't exist, much like the several studies in this thread that refute your position which seem to have escaped your gaze.

    Rigger



    itude adjustment starts at home. If you are going to insult me then don't cry foul when it's done to you.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/weight-loss/expert-answers/food-and-nutrition/faq-20058449
  • navyrigger46
    navyrigger46 Posts: 1,301 Member
    My foundation and knowledge comes from following the advice of experts in the field just like your come from ETF. Do your own research by checking wtih your doctors and other "reputable" health experts in the field.

    My pediatrician when I was a child told my mother I was fine, despite me liking to oddly hang my head to one side. Should she have listened without questioning, I would be dead.

    My point is, just because you have a degree, doesn't mean your advice should not be questioned or sought other sources for. Doctors are, after all, human.


    If your mother should have gotten a second opinion by another expert then a third and fourth, too. I know doctors are human but they are still far more educated than the average person. This is the reason I reference many professionals and Dr. Oz is not one of them.

    You haven't referenced anyone, or cited any sources, moreover, you have conveniently ignored the studies which have been cited in this thread to set you straight. Your advice in this thread is useless and reeks of ignorance, and your conduct is absolutely abhorrent.

    Rigger
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    I don't feel that the sky is blue today, so it probably isn't.

    Seriously Soapfan, if you want to contribute positively to the community, then you might want to think about how you convey your opinions.

    Instead of "Body builders are nasty and unhealthy" try... "I do not want to look like a body builder". Just because you don't like how a body builder looks or have met body builders who are unhealthy, doesn't mean that everyone feels that way and that this the general truth of the world.

    ...and others may want to consider how their replies come across to me. It works both ways.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    I suppose if YOU don't see it then it doesn't exist, much like the several studies in this thread that refute your position which seem to have escaped your gaze.

    Rigger



    itude adjustment starts at home. If you are going to insult me then don't cry foul when it's done to you.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/weight-loss/expert-answers/food-and-nutrition/faq-20058449

    This is not a study.

    EVERY single point listed says "MAY".
  • navyrigger46
    navyrigger46 Posts: 1,301 Member
    itude adjustment starts at home. If you are going to insult me then don't cry foul when it's done to you.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/weight-loss/expert-answers/food-and-nutrition/faq-20058449

    Wow, that's some study you got there, it's so air tight it doesn't even need to be peer reviewed, kind of like Wikipedia. You really threw the book at me with that one.

    Rigger
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
    Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.

    I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.

    You are indeed entitled to you opinions. The problem is that you try to pass off your misinformed opinion and body complex issues as competent advice. If you think your opinions are worth something, then you better be prepared to be called out and defend them. My opinion? Deal in facts and science.

    My opinions are not misinformed. Furthermore, I have never tried to pass off my opinions on others. I merely posted my opinions like the rest of you. I don't have a problem being called out because I don't have any problems calling you out. If you think your opinions are worth anything then you better be ready to back it up with medical and health facts and evidence from the experts in the field.

    I have yet to see you back yours up, aside from saying "I have a doctor". Link me things so I can take a gander at your facts.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/292033-side-effects-of-not-eating-breakfast/
  • Velum_cado
    Velum_cado Posts: 1,608 Member
    Eh. Whatever works for you. I generally eat nothing or very little in the mornings because I like to eat more later in the day. It just works best for me.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/292033-side-effects-of-not-eating-breakfast/

    And you post yet another non peer-reviewed source... did you go to school?
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    Therein lies the issue.

    Therein lies the issue with you if you haven't concluded comments made towards me were nasty and inappropiate as well.

    Which one of us called your body disgusting and mutated?

    I did not state that anyone called my body disgusting and mutated. However, some of your replies were nasty and inappropiate just the same. Are you going to deny it?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    Therein lies the issue.

    Therein lies the issue with you if you haven't concluded comments made towards me were nasty and inappropiate as well.

    Which one of us called your body disgusting and mutated?

    I did not state that anyone called my body disgusting and mutated. However, some of your replies were nasty and inappropiate just the same. Are you going to deny it?

    My comments were nasty, sure. But they were about your insulting and incorrect words and attitude.

    You laid blanket insults on how people - people who have spent effort and time you can't even imagine - look.
  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    Therein lies the issue.

    Therein lies the issue with you if you haven't concluded comments made towards me were nasty and inappropiate as well.

    Which one of us called your body disgusting and mutated?

    I did not state that anyone called my body disgusting and mutated. However, some of your replies were nasty and inappropiate just the same. Are you going to deny it?


    The statement was in regards to YOU stating that bodybuilders are disgusting and unhealthy. Which is both irrelevant and offensive.
  • navyrigger46
    navyrigger46 Posts: 1,301 Member
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/292033-side-effects-of-not-eating-breakfast/

    You do know what "Peer Reviewed" means, right?

    Try a medical journal, rather than an article with no scientific standing.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19934407

    Rigger
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
    Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.

    I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.

    You are indeed entitled to you opinions. The problem is that you try to pass off your misinformed opinion and body complex issues as competent advice. If you think your opinions are worth something, then you better be prepared to be called out and defend them. My opinion? Deal in facts and science.

    My opinions are not misinformed. Furthermore, I have never tried to pass off my opinions on others. I merely posted my opinions like the rest of you. I don't have a problem being called out because I don't have any problems calling you out. If you think your opinions are worth anything then you better be ready to back it up with medical and health facts and evidence from the experts in the field.

    I have yet to see you back yours up, aside from saying "I have a doctor". Link me things so I can take a gander at your facts.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/292033-side-effects-of-not-eating-breakfast/

    Unsourced blog by a naturopath. Try again.
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    Therein lies the issue.

    Therein lies the issue with you if you haven't concluded comments made towards me were nasty and inappropiate as well.

    Which one of us called your body disgusting and mutated?

    I did not state that anyone called my body disgusting and mutated. However, some of your replies were nasty and inappropiate just the same. Are you going to deny it?

    My comments were nasty, sure. But they were about your insulting and incorrect words and attitude.

    You laid blanket insults on how people - people who have spent effort and time you can't even imagine - look.

    This is a lie and you know it. I was very respectful with my initial posts. You posted the first nasty reply to me. I didn't post any nastiness to you until after your first nasty post to me.
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
    Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.

    I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.

    You are indeed entitled to you opinions. The problem is that you try to pass off your misinformed opinion and body complex issues as competent advice. If you think your opinions are worth something, then you better be prepared to be called out and defend them. My opinion? Deal in facts and science.

    My opinions are not misinformed. Furthermore, I have never tried to pass off my opinions on others. I merely posted my opinions like the rest of you. I don't have a problem being called out because I don't have any problems calling you out. If you think your opinions are worth anything then you better be ready to back it up with medical and health facts and evidence from the experts in the field.

    I have yet to see you back yours up, aside from saying "I have a doctor". Link me things so I can take a gander at your facts.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/292033-side-effects-of-not-eating-breakfast/

    Unsourced blog by a naturopath. Try again.

    Sort of like you being doing here today?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    First of all there is something very nasty about your attitude if you're going to body shame any type of idividual, Soapfan777, and it's completely inappropriate here.

    I don't feel my attitude is nasty or my comments were inappropiate.

    Therein lies the issue.

    Therein lies the issue with you if you haven't concluded comments made towards me were nasty and inappropiate as well.

    Which one of us called your body disgusting and mutated?

    I did not state that anyone called my body disgusting and mutated. However, some of your replies were nasty and inappropiate just the same. Are you going to deny it?

    My comments were nasty, sure. But they were about your insulting and incorrect words and attitude.

    You laid blanket insults on how people - people who have spent effort and time you can't even imagine - look.

    This is a lie and you know it. I was very respectful with my initial posts. You posted the first nasty reply to me. I didn't post any nastiness to you until after your first nasty post to me.

    You're confusing me with others. Might want to reread the thread. Do it after you read the scientific articles posted so far though.
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    Then you must be referring to yourself because you are the one that spewed that another poster and I were wrong for our opinions which placed you at the bottom of the stack of class in my opinion.

    So if you're opinion is wrong, and I correct your misinformation that makes me classless? Seems legit. :noway:

    Rigger

    But you haven't corrected anything and that is the point. I am still waiting for you to throw the book at me.
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  • navyrigger46
    navyrigger46 Posts: 1,301 Member
    Then you must be referring to yourself because you are the one that spewed that another poster and I were wrong for our opinions which placed you at the bottom of the stack of class in my opinion.

    So if you're opinion is wrong, and I correct your misinformation that makes me classless? Seems legit. :noway:

    Rigger

    But you haven't corrected anything and that is the point. I am still waiting for you to throw the book at me.

    Just did in a previous post, also pointed out several studies posted by others.

    Here we go again.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1511.full

    Maybe that's not your speed though, I could probably find something on the Livestrong blog if you like?

    Rigger
  • Soapfan777
    Soapfan777 Posts: 82
    I wasn't trying to cause trouble.
    Pro tip: Might want to avoid statements like "nasty looking deformed bodies" if you're not trying to cause trouble.

    I have a right to my opinions just like the rest of you. If I feel that the body builders I have seen looked that way then it's my right.

    You are indeed entitled to you opinions. The problem is that you try to pass off your misinformed opinion and body complex issues as competent advice. If you think your opinions are worth something, then you better be prepared to be called out and defend them. My opinion? Deal in facts and science.

    My opinions are not misinformed. Furthermore, I have never tried to pass off my opinions on others. I merely posted my opinions like the rest of you. I don't have a problem being called out because I don't have any problems calling you out. If you think your opinions are worth anything then you better be ready to back it up with medical and health facts and evidence from the experts in the field.

    I have yet to see you back yours up, aside from saying "I have a doctor". Link me things so I can take a gander at your facts.

    ...and where is your backup?
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    i generally only have coffee in the mornings. i often don't eat anywhere from 4-6 hours after i wake up
  • ChancyW
    ChancyW Posts: 437 Member
    It really depends on the person. I workout shortly after getting up but I am a person that HAS to eat. So I have something small like 1/2 cup of oatmeal or a small protein shake.

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