Is 'eating at deficit' enough?
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I've contributed that you can eat what you want without having to worry about stupid things such as mayonnaise on vegetables so long as you consistently track your caloric intake.
So that's nothing then.
I'm willing to bet that people would be more inclined to read you can eat foods you enjoy and still achieve successful weight loss so long as you keep a deficit... rather than your 206 posts, all of which are in this thread alone.
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
Having depth and saying a bunch of words that aren't correct isn't really the same thing.
No one has pointed out where I've been incorrect though. You just keep saying I'm wrong and contradicting myself yet not actually proving it...
I believe every point you have made has been contradicted. You are the outlier here. The burden of proof rests on you. Most of what people are saying is common knowledge. What you are saying is not, therefore, you must prove your points which you have not done. All you do is argue like a college kid who just took her first nutrition class and thinks they have it all figured out.0 -
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You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
No. I'm offering practical advice, rather than a bunch of jargon that isn't tailored to the majority of the audience on this website as already point out in the post above.
Have you wondered why nearly every single individual in this thread is arguing against you? It's how you present yourself.
Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.0 -
Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.
I'm not attacking anyone. Do I think it's important to eat nutrient dense foods? yes. Do I eat primarily nutrient dense foods? yes.
However, you fail to realize there are people coming on here who are reading and not posting. They will take your ignorant advice about vegetables being cooked in oil being devoid of nutrient and actually believe that (and yes I realize this isn't what you may have meant, but the way you had worded it). If you fail to word something correctly, that's on you. As an individual looking to advance their career, you should learn how to speak to people perhaps. It's a shame that isn't covered in any of your classes.
Break it down into terms which are applicable and easy to understand given the audience.0 -
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
No. I'm offering practical advice, rather than a bunch of jargon that isn't tailored to the majority of the audience on this website as already point out in the post above.
Have you wondered why nearly every single individual in this thread is arguing against you? It's how you present yourself.
Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.
And you can talk passive aggressively, but here is a news flash, you aren't the only person that knows nutrition. There are many more people far more educated than you on the subject. Being a nutritionist isn't that difficult of a task to achieve and does not make you automatically right. You think all doctors are created equally?0 -
Wait.....what's going on in this thread.
DO NOT ENGAGE...I repeat DO NOT ENGAGE....0 -
I've contributed that you can eat what you want without having to worry about stupid things such as mayonnaise on vegetables so long as you consistently track your caloric intake.
So that's nothing then.
I'm willing to bet that people would be more inclined to read you can eat foods you enjoy and still achieve successful weight loss so long as you keep a deficit... rather than your 206 posts, all of which are in this thread alone.
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
Having depth and saying a bunch of words that aren't correct isn't really the same thing.
No one has pointed out where I've been incorrect though. You just keep saying I'm wrong and contradicting myself yet not actually proving it...
I believe every point you have made has been contradicted. You are the outlier here. The burden of proof rests on you. Most of what people are saying is common knowledge. What you are saying is not, therefore, you must prove your points which you have not done. All you do is argue like a college kid who just took her first nutrition class and thinks they have it all figured out.
As I said, you keep saying it but not providing examples of where I've been wrong. I have provided proof to back up my points but they've been ignored. Can't do much about that. I haven't started any arguments, I have just responded to attacks on the information I gave. I would've thought that people would hear something and maybe look it up or ask for further advice if it's not common knowledge. But you guys have just shouted me down and said I'm wrong...odd really. I haven't got it all figured out and I don't claim to. There's some stuff I know about, others not. I appreciate being educated as much as I like giving information.
There's a lot of resistance to learning anything new here I guess which is a shame.0 -
Also, in b4 penny deactivates.0
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I've contributed that you can eat what you want without having to worry about stupid things such as mayonnaise on vegetables so long as you consistently track your caloric intake.
So that's nothing then.
I'm willing to bet that people would be more inclined to read you can eat foods you enjoy and still achieve successful weight loss so long as you keep a deficit... rather than your 206 posts, all of which are in this thread alone.
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
Having depth and saying a bunch of words that aren't correct isn't really the same thing.
No one has pointed out where I've been incorrect though. You just keep saying I'm wrong and contradicting myself yet not actually proving it...
I believe every point you have made has been contradicted. You are the outlier here. The burden of proof rests on you. Most of what people are saying is common knowledge. What you are saying is not, therefore, you must prove your points which you have not done. All you do is argue like a college kid who just took her first nutrition class and thinks they have it all figured out.
As I said, you keep saying it but not providing examples of where I've been wrong. I have provided proof to back up my points but they've been ignored. Can't do much about that. I haven't started any arguments, I have just responded to attacks on the information I gave. I would've thought that people would hear something and maybe look it up or ask for further advice if it's not common knowledge. But you guys have just shouted me down and said I'm wrong...odd really. I haven't got it all figured out and I don't claim to. There's some stuff I know about, others not. I appreciate being educated as much as I like giving information.
There's a lot of resistance to learning anything new here I guess which is a shame.
There was a Cliff's notes version of how you were wrong already posted. You rebutted, of course, but your rebuttals were laughable at best. They looked more like back pedaling than defenses.0 -
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
No. I'm offering practical advice, rather than a bunch of jargon that isn't tailored to the majority of the audience on this website as already point out in the post above.
Have you wondered why nearly every single individual in this thread is arguing against you? It's how you present yourself.
Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.
And you can talk passive aggressively, but here is a news flash, you aren't the only person that knows nutrition. There are many more people far more educated than you on the subject. Being a nutritionist isn't that difficult of a task to achieve and does not make you automatically right. You think all doctors are created equally?
You think I'm being passive aggressive, that is not my intention. You people all come across pretty rude too you know. If there are people more educated than me then why haven't they stepped in? There's no need to attack my credentials, I am simply educating myself and trying to make a living out of helping people. I'm not here to say I know it all. If someone has information that refutes what I've learnt then I'm all ears. I have tried to pass along what I've learnt. I didn't realise it would be so unwelcomed.0 -
You think I'm being passive aggressive, that is not my intention. You people all come across pretty rude too you know. If there are people more educated than me then why haven't they stepped in? There's no need to attack my credentials, I am simply educating myself and trying to make a living out of helping people. I'm not here to say I know it all. If someone has information that refutes what I've learnt then I'm all ears. I have tried to pass along what I've learnt. I didn't realise it would be so unwelcomed.
What do you mean, you people?0 -
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
No. I'm offering practical advice, rather than a bunch of jargon that isn't tailored to the majority of the audience on this website as already point out in the post above.
Have you wondered why nearly every single individual in this thread is arguing against you? It's how you present yourself.
Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.
And you can talk passive aggressively, but here is a news flash, you aren't the only person that knows nutrition. There are many more people far more educated than you on the subject. Being a nutritionist isn't that difficult of a task to achieve and does not make you automatically right. You think all doctors are created equally?
You think I'm being passive aggressive, that is not my intention. You people all come across pretty rude too you know. If there are people more educated than me then why haven't they stepped in? There's no need to attack my credentials, I am simply educating myself and trying to make a living out of helping people. I'm not here to say I know it all. If someone has information that refutes what I've learnt then I'm all ears. I have tried to pass along what I've learnt. I didn't realise it would be so unwelcomed.
Passing on knowledge is always welcomed. No one here has gained any knowledge from you that I am aware of.0 -
Gosh, I'm really confused by all the piles of quotes, the contradictory comments and whatnot.
I've read through some of the posts here, and some people are saying that calorie deficit is good enough by itself to lose weight, while other are saying that it's all about the calories going in vs. the ones going out.
Is there an answer for this topic, or does it simply matter on the person itself?
I just feel like it's dangerous and not really healthy for people to be commenting on these kinds of topics without having proper knowledge.
However that's just my opinion, and it's not meant to offend anyone in any way.
I'm just looking for some legitimate answers to help my weight loss.
And here it is!!!! This is why I was so adamantly digging my heels in. Pennylayne, would you agree with me to advise this lady to just worry about calories to get started? Because that is all that matters for weight loss?
I have only read up til this point now, because it is such a train wreck I am compelled to see when it eventually gets locked, but I will step in to comment on this last post.
The reason that you shouldn't tell someone starting out, that all that matters is staying under your calorie goal is because someone who is used to a diet of french fries, chips, donuts, etc, that decides to use their 1400 calories a day on those foods, then they are cutting out a lot of protein and nutrients that they would be getting on a diet of meats and veggies, etc. And they would be starving all day trying to stay under those cals that are mostly carbs that break down quickly and spike insulin.
So after trying to stay under their goal for a few days while starving and feeling like crap, they give up and decide that 'diets' don't work.
If people will just use some common sense and eat a variety of proteins, carbs, and healthy fats, with plenty of nutrient rich veggies and some fruit, then they can lose weight, feel great, and create a new way of eating that is sustainable for life. They can also have occasional high sugar/fat/calorie treat so that they don't feel deprived.
Telling someone new that they can eat whatever they want, as long as they eat in a deficit, is irresponsible.
Telling someone new that they can never have cake or cookies again, and must eat like a rabbit every day, is also irresponsible.
And the same people come into these threads with the same extreme arguments, just to nitpick at everything someone types, looking for an argument. Sheez. In the words of someone I have forgotten their name... "Can't we all just get along?" :flowerforyou:
This isn't based on any studies or nothing, but I just don't know anyone that eats mostly fries, chips, twinkies and pizzas or that would choose to eat only these items if given a 1400 calorie (or some reduced #) target. Hence IMO why it's just best to keep it simple. Everyone has played the arrange the shapes in a box or whachamacallit game. Each person can determine how best to achieve a reduced calorie intake for themselves and therefore be successful in long term weight loss.
Being told for years not to eat "unhealthy" foods is the very reason I postponed weight loss attempts until my late 30s. Now that I understand calories and nutrition better, I have successfully lost a bunch of weight without giving up my favorite foods.0 -
You think I'm being passive aggressive, that is not my intention. You people all come across pretty rude too you know. If there are people more educated than me then why haven't they stepped in? There's no need to attack my credentials, I am simply educating myself and trying to make a living out of helping people. I'm not here to say I know it all. If someone has information that refutes what I've learnt then I'm all ears. I have tried to pass along what I've learnt. I didn't realise it would be so unwelcomed.
What do you mean, you people?
yea, what do you mean "you people"???0 -
Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.
I'm not attacking anyone. Do I think it's important to eat nutrient dense foods? yes. Do I eat primarily nutrient dense foods? yes.
However, you fail to realize there are people coming on here who are reading and not posting. They will take your ignorant advice about vegetables being cooked in oil being devoid of nutrient and actually believe that (and yes I realize this isn't what you may have meant, but the way you had worded it). If you fail to word something correctly, that's on you. As an individual looking to advance their career, you should learn how to speak to people perhaps. It's a shame that isn't covered in any of your classes.
Break it down into terms which are applicable and easy to understand given the audience.
Except I never said that vegetables cooked in oil are devoid in nutrients. You have made vague attacks on me, I have given vague responses. I actually gave specific details about oils and vegetables and you've just twisted my words.
I actually have a fine time in my every day life getting on with people and speaking to them. If you are going to take what I say as being aggressive or whatever and respond rudely then that's your choice. I don't see the need in assuming the worst of people though, and then it's my fault you have taken that stance...0 -
I've contributed that you can eat what you want without having to worry about stupid things such as mayonnaise on vegetables so long as you consistently track your caloric intake.
So that's nothing then.
I'm willing to bet that people would be more inclined to read you can eat foods you enjoy and still achieve successful weight loss so long as you keep a deficit... rather than your 206 posts, all of which are in this thread alone.
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
Having depth and saying a bunch of words that aren't correct isn't really the same thing.
No one has pointed out where I've been incorrect though. You just keep saying I'm wrong and contradicting myself yet not actually proving it...
I believe every point you have made has been contradicted. You are the outlier here. The burden of proof rests on you. Most of what people are saying is common knowledge. What you are saying is not, therefore, you must prove your points which you have not done. All you do is argue like a college kid who just took her first nutrition class and thinks they have it all figured out.
As I said, you keep saying it but not providing examples of where I've been wrong. I have provided proof to back up my points but they've been ignored. Can't do much about that. I haven't started any arguments, I have just responded to attacks on the information I gave. I would've thought that people would hear something and maybe look it up or ask for further advice if it's not common knowledge. But you guys have just shouted me down and said I'm wrong...odd really. I haven't got it all figured out and I don't claim to. There's some stuff I know about, others not. I appreciate being educated as much as I like giving information.
There's a lot of resistance to learning anything new here I guess which is a shame.
There was a Cliff's notes version of how you were wrong already posted. You rebutted, of course, but your rebuttals were laughable at best. They looked more like back pedaling than defenses.
Well like I said, I can't win. You've taken things I said out of context. I tried to explain them and you say I'm backpedalling so there's really no point is there?0 -
All you do is argue like a college kid who just took her first nutrition class and thinks they have it all figured out.
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You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
No. I'm offering practical advice, rather than a bunch of jargon that isn't tailored to the majority of the audience on this website as already point out in the post above.
Have you wondered why nearly every single individual in this thread is arguing against you? It's how you present yourself.
Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.
And you can talk passive aggressively, but here is a news flash, you aren't the only person that knows nutrition. There are many more people far more educated than you on the subject. Being a nutritionist isn't that difficult of a task to achieve and does not make you automatically right. You think all doctors are created equally?
You think I'm being passive aggressive, that is not my intention. You people all come across pretty rude too you know. If there are people more educated than me then why haven't they stepped in? There's no need to attack my credentials, I am simply educating myself and trying to make a living out of helping people. I'm not here to say I know it all. If someone has information that refutes what I've learnt then I'm all ears. I have tried to pass along what I've learnt. I didn't realise it would be so unwelcomed.
Passing on knowledge is always welcomed. No one here has gained any knowledge from you that I am aware of.
Well that's a shame. Someone said different foods all react the same in the body and I tried to explain that that is not the case. But obviously people can take what they want from it and just ignore it if they want to. No need to be rude.0 -
Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.
My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?0 -
I've contributed that you can eat what you want without having to worry about stupid things such as mayonnaise on vegetables so long as you consistently track your caloric intake.
So that's nothing then.
I'm willing to bet that people would be more inclined to read you can eat foods you enjoy and still achieve successful weight loss so long as you keep a deficit... rather than your 206 posts, all of which are in this thread alone.
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
Having depth and saying a bunch of words that aren't correct isn't really the same thing.
No one has pointed out where I've been incorrect though. You just keep saying I'm wrong and contradicting myself yet not actually proving it...
I believe every point you have made has been contradicted. You are the outlier here. The burden of proof rests on you. Most of what people are saying is common knowledge. What you are saying is not, therefore, you must prove your points which you have not done. All you do is argue like a college kid who just took her first nutrition class and thinks they have it all figured out.
As I said, you keep saying it but not providing examples of where I've been wrong. I have provided proof to back up my points but they've been ignored. Can't do much about that. I haven't started any arguments, I have just responded to attacks on the information I gave. I would've thought that people would hear something and maybe look it up or ask for further advice if it's not common knowledge. But you guys have just shouted me down and said I'm wrong...odd really. I haven't got it all figured out and I don't claim to. There's some stuff I know about, others not. I appreciate being educated as much as I like giving information.
There's a lot of resistance to learning anything new here I guess which is a shame.
There was a Cliff's notes version of how you were wrong already posted. You rebutted, of course, but your rebuttals were laughable at best. They looked more like back pedaling than defenses.
Well like I said, I can't win. You've taken things I said out of context. I tried to explain them and you say I'm backpedalling so there's really no point is there?
You haven't made a clear point yet...no need to start now.0 -
You think I'm being passive aggressive, that is not my intention. You people all come across pretty rude too you know. If there are people more educated than me then why haven't they stepped in? There's no need to attack my credentials, I am simply educating myself and trying to make a living out of helping people. I'm not here to say I know it all. If someone has information that refutes what I've learnt then I'm all ears. I have tried to pass along what I've learnt. I didn't realise it would be so unwelcomed.
What do you mean, you people?
yea, what do you mean "you people"???
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Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.
My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?
There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?0 -
I've contributed that you can eat what you want without having to worry about stupid things such as mayonnaise on vegetables so long as you consistently track your caloric intake.
So that's nothing then.
I'm willing to bet that people would be more inclined to read you can eat foods you enjoy and still achieve successful weight loss so long as you keep a deficit... rather than your 206 posts, all of which are in this thread alone.
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
Having depth and saying a bunch of words that aren't correct isn't really the same thing.
No one has pointed out where I've been incorrect though. You just keep saying I'm wrong and contradicting myself yet not actually proving it...
I believe every point you have made has been contradicted. You are the outlier here. The burden of proof rests on you. Most of what people are saying is common knowledge. What you are saying is not, therefore, you must prove your points which you have not done. All you do is argue like a college kid who just took her first nutrition class and thinks they have it all figured out.
As I said, you keep saying it but not providing examples of where I've been wrong. I have provided proof to back up my points but they've been ignored. Can't do much about that. I haven't started any arguments, I have just responded to attacks on the information I gave. I would've thought that people would hear something and maybe look it up or ask for further advice if it's not common knowledge. But you guys have just shouted me down and said I'm wrong...odd really. I haven't got it all figured out and I don't claim to. There's some stuff I know about, others not. I appreciate being educated as much as I like giving information.
There's a lot of resistance to learning anything new here I guess which is a shame.
There was a Cliff's notes version of how you were wrong already posted. You rebutted, of course, but your rebuttals were laughable at best. They looked more like back pedaling than defenses.
Well like I said, I can't win. You've taken things I said out of context. I tried to explain them and you say I'm backpedalling so there's really no point is there?
You haven't made a clear point yet...no need to start now.
Opinion vs fact.0 -
Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.
My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?
There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?
There would.0 -
Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.
My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?
There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?
There would.
There wouldn't. I'd be told I'm backpedalling or contradicting myself or just downright wrong or whatever. On a similar line as was said to me, you guys haven't offered a single non critical word, why would you start now?
I don't mind though. I came here to offer helpful advice and information, if it's not wanted then that's fine, I will give up.0 -
There wouldn't. I'd be told I'm backpedalling or contradicting myself or just downright wrong or whatever. On a similar line as was said to me, you guys haven't offered a single non critical word, why would you start now?
Then stop posting....
I would personally use your opinion on the subject as a gauge.0 -
You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.
No. I'm offering practical advice, rather than a bunch of jargon that isn't tailored to the majority of the audience on this website as already point out in the post above.
Have you wondered why nearly every single individual in this thread is arguing against you? It's how you present yourself.
Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.
And you can talk passive aggressively, but here is a news flash, you aren't the only person that knows nutrition. There are many more people far more educated than you on the subject. Being a nutritionist isn't that difficult of a task to achieve and does not make you automatically right. You think all doctors are created equally?
You think I'm being passive aggressive, that is not my intention. You people all come across pretty rude too you know. If there are people more educated than me then why haven't they stepped in? There's no need to attack my credentials, I am simply educating myself and trying to make a living out of helping people. I'm not here to say I know it all. If someone has information that refutes what I've learnt then I'm all ears. I have tried to pass along what I've learnt. I didn't realise it would be so unwelcomed.
Passing on knowledge is always welcomed. No one here has gained any knowledge from you that I am aware of.
Well that's a shame. Someone said different foods all react the same in the body and I tried to explain that that is not the case. But obviously people can take what they want from it and just ignore it if they want to. No need to be rude.
See.....it was me, and that is not what I said. Should I pull up the post and quote it? I said people eating different macros, but the same calories, would have the same results. I said nothing about reacting in the body. And I very clearly reinforced that I was talking only about weight loss not general health or body composition.0 -
Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.
My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?
There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?
Maybe cause you don't have an answer that would make any sense?0
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