Is 'eating at deficit' enough?

WendyTerry420

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?

There would.

I agree! I would love to hear Penny's opinion on this.

LolBroScience

See.....it was me, and that is not what I said. Should I pull up the post and quote it? I said people eating different macros, but the same calories, would have the same results. I said nothing about reacting in the body. And I very clearly reinforced that I was talking only about weight loss not general health or body composition.

Thank you for posting this too. This is precisely what I was arguing as well.

ncl1313

This looks highly rewarding to me:

I just want to look at this steak some more...

ETA: Can we quit arguing already and just look at some food porn?

tchell99

This looks highly rewarding to me:

I just want to look at this steak some more...

ETA: Can we quit arguing already and just look at some food porn?

Ooooohhh. Can we top that baby off with some grilled onions and mushrooms?

ndj1979

You may be right, but at least I'm offering some in depth information. Whereas you are not.

No. I'm offering practical advice, rather than a bunch of jargon that isn't tailored to the majority of the audience on this website as already point out in the post above.

Have you wondered why nearly every single individual in this thread is arguing against you? It's how you present yourself.

Well honestly I have been trying to avoid jargon and make it simple to understand. I think you need to take people with a grain of salt when it comes to online forums, you cannot judge a person through text. My only intention has to been to get experience offering advice for my career and I thought that might be appreciated but it seems not. I thought people would be more open minded in hearing facts and learning more about nutrition and weight loss and how things work. I guess it confuses me that you just attack someone for that.

And you can talk passive aggressively, but here is a news flash, you aren't the only person that knows nutrition. There are many more people far more educated than you on the subject. Being a nutritionist isn't that difficult of a task to achieve and does not make you automatically right. You think all doctors are created equally?

You think I'm being passive aggressive, that is not my intention. You people all come across pretty rude too you know. If there are people more educated than me then why haven't they stepped in? There's no need to attack my credentials, I am simply educating myself and trying to make a living out of helping people. I'm not here to say I know it all. If someone has information that refutes what I've learnt then I'm all ears. I have tried to pass along what I've learnt. I didn't realise it would be so unwelcomed.

Passing on knowledge is always welcomed. No one here has gained any knowledge from you that I am aware of.

I think I am dumber for having read through this nonsense..

pennyllayne

My mom says I must stop talking to you nasty people and go to bed.

ncl1313

This looks highly rewarding to me:

I just want to look at this steak some more...

ETA: Can we quit arguing already and just look at some food porn?

Ooooohhh. Can we top that baby off with some grilled onions and mushrooms?

Only if I can smother it in blue cheese.

ksuh999

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?

There would.

There wouldn't. I'd be told I'm backpedalling or contradicting myself or just downright wrong or whatever. On a similar line as was said to me, you guys haven't offered a single non critical word, why would you start now?

I don't mind though. I came here to offer helpful advice and information, if it's not wanted then that's fine, I will give up.

Jesus Christ on a stick, WTF are you going to tell people if you ever decide to become a nutritionist and they ask you a similar question?

"Well, I have an answer, but what's the point? That'll be $50, please!"

LolBroScience

This looks highly rewarding to me:

I just want to look at this steak some more...

ETA: Can we quit arguing already and just look at some food porn?

Ooooohhh. Can we top that baby off with some grilled onions and mushrooms?

No because it kills all the nutrients

richardheath

Were you "binging" on that salad?? Were you uncontrollably binging on a lb of steak? Come on.

You missed the boat. Your original statement was that those types of foods would not be served at that type of restaurant.

I reckon I did binge on the steak. That whole night in general. I better binge if I'm paying $75 per person.

I don't think Lindsey... er Penny has ever been to a Churrascaria (Brazilian Steakhouse)! The salads at the one near me (a Texas de Brazil) are awesome: fresh, tasty, varied. I have to be very careful not to fill up on salad before they start bringing the meat round. Because you can bet I am going to eat all the meats I can! Delicious meat, cooked over an open fire, hand carved at the table... I leave there so full I can barely walk, so yeah, I'd say that was binging! :laugh:

Yum. I wanna go right now!

pennyllayne

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?

There would.

There wouldn't. I'd be told I'm backpedalling or contradicting myself or just downright wrong or whatever. On a similar line as was said to me, you guys haven't offered a single non critical word, why would you start now?

I don't mind though. I came here to offer helpful advice and information, if it's not wanted then that's fine, I will give up.

Jesus Christ on a stick, WTF are you going to tell people if you ever decide to become a nutritionist and they ask you a similar question?

"Well, I have an answer, but what's the point? That'll be $50, please!"

Someone who came to see me would be an entirely different case. I'd have their background and know their diet and health status and then if they had been prepared to do everything required to attend a consultation it would mean they actually want some advice and answers. I'm not being asked because the person is really curious about the answer, I'm being asked so that my response can be ridiculed. You're more than welcome to set up an appointment though if you like and then I'll answer any question you like if you're paying me. Not much point in answering a question I'm not being paid to give just to be ridiculed.

tchell99

This looks highly rewarding to me:

I just want to look at this steak some more...

ETA: Can we quit arguing already and just look at some food porn?

Ooooohhh. Can we top that baby off with some grilled onions and mushrooms?

No because it kills all the nutrients

Don't care. Want them anyway. :laugh:

LolBroScience

Were you "binging" on that salad?? Were you uncontrollably binging on a lb of steak? Come on.

You missed the boat. Your original statement was that those types of foods would not be served at that type of restaurant.

I reckon I did binge on the steak. That whole night in general. I better binge if I'm paying $75 per person.

I don't think Lindsey... er Penny has ever been to a Churrascaria (Brazilian Steakhouse)! The salads at the one near me (a Texas de Brazil) are awesome: fresh, tasty, varied. I have to be very careful not to fill up on salad before they start bringing the meat round. Because you can bet I am going to eat all the meats I can! Delicious meat, cooked over an open fire, hand carved at the table... I leave there so full I can barely walk, so yeah, I'd say that was binging! :laugh:

Yum. I wanna go right now!

I was actually referring to Texas de Brazil ....

ksuh999

Someone who came to see me would be an entirely different case. I'd have their background and know their diet and health status and then if they had been prepared to do everything required to attend a consultation it would mean they actually want some advice and answers. I'm not being asked because the person is really curious about the answer, I'm being asked so that my response can be ridiculed. You're more than welcome to set up an appointment though if you like and then I'll answer any question you like if you're paying me. Not much point in answering a question I'm not being paid to give just to be ridiculed.

Nah, the problem is you don't have an answer that doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics.

GBrady43068

Forget the Shakeology. I'm wondering if the OP ate this past Monday at all...diary is empty.

pennyllayne

Someone who came to see me would be an entirely different case. I'd have their background and know their diet and health status and then if they had been prepared to do everything required to attend a consultation it would mean they actually want some advice and answers. I'm not being asked because the person is really curious about the answer, I'm being asked so that my response can be ridiculed. You're more than welcome to set up an appointment though if you like and then I'll answer any question you like if you're paying me. Not much point in answering a question I'm not being paid to give just to be ridiculed.

Nah, the problem is you don't have an answer that doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics.

I don't see how the laws of thermodynamics come into play as far as health is concerned. And I don't give answers that violate the laws of thermodynamics because that would assume I somehow ignore facts.

likitisplit

Were you "binging" on that salad?? Were you uncontrollably binging on a lb of steak? Come on.

You missed the boat. Your original statement was that those types of foods would not be served at that type of restaurant.

I reckon I did binge on the steak. That whole night in general. I better binge if I'm paying $75 per person.

I don't think Lindsey... er Penny has ever been to a Churrascaria (Brazilian Steakhouse)! The salads at the one near me (a Texas de Brazil) are awesome: fresh, tasty, varied. I have to be very careful not to fill up on salad before they start bringing the meat round. Because you can bet I am going to eat all the meats I can! Delicious meat, cooked over an open fire, hand carved at the table... I leave there so full I can barely walk, so yeah, I'd say that was binging! :laugh:

Yum. I wanna go right now!

In for bacon!

KnowwhatImean???

Also, arugula. Once you get a taste of that spicy, tasty green, there is no turning back. You just have to keep eating it until it is gone.

ndj1979

I am just going to come out and say it...

penny are you really Lindsey in disguise? If not then you too should really meet for coffee one day as you have ALOT in common ...

ndj1979

oh, and I am in for the roll now..!

ndj1979

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?

There would.

There wouldn't. I'd be told I'm backpedalling or contradicting myself or just downright wrong or whatever. On a similar line as was said to me, you guys haven't offered a single non critical word, why would you start now?

I don't mind though. I came here to offer helpful advice and information, if it's not wanted then that's fine, I will give up.

Jesus Christ on a stick, WTF are you going to tell people if you ever decide to become a nutritionist and they ask you a similar question?

"Well, I have an answer, but what's the point? That'll be $50, please!"

Someone who came to see me would be an entirely different case. I'd have their background and know their diet and health status and then if they had been prepared to do everything required to attend a consultation it would mean they actually want some advice and answers. I'm not being asked because the person is really curious about the answer, I'm being asked so that my response can be ridiculed. You're more than welcome to set up an appointment though if you like and then I'll answer any question you like if you're paying me. Not much point in answering a question I'm not being paid to give just to be ridiculed.

you could not pay me to set up an appointment with you ...for realz...

J72FIT

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

I'll answer... they will not and they are not.

ncl1313

This looks highly rewarding to me:

I just want to look at this steak some more...

ETA: Can we quit arguing already and just look at some food porn?

Ooooohhh. Can we top that baby off with some grilled onions and mushrooms?

No because it kills all the nutrients

That's what I originally typed, but deleted because I didn't want to be "mean".

Strokingdiction

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?

There would.

There wouldn't. I'd be told I'm backpedalling or contradicting myself or just downright wrong or whatever. On a similar line as was said to me, you guys haven't offered a single non critical word, why would you start now?

I don't mind though. I came here to offer helpful advice and information, if it's not wanted then that's fine, I will give up.

Jesus Christ on a stick, WTF are you going to tell people if you ever decide to become a nutritionist and they ask you a similar question?

"Well, I have an answer, but what's the point? That'll be $50, please!"

Someone who came to see me would be an entirely different case. I'd have their background and know their diet and health status and then if they had been prepared to do everything required to attend a consultation it would mean they actually want some advice and answers. I'm not being asked because the person is really curious about the answer, I'm being asked so that my response can be ridiculed. You're more than welcome to set up an appointment though if you like and then I'll answer any question you like if you're paying me. Not much point in answering a question I'm not being paid to give just to be ridiculed.

you could not pay me to set up an appointment with you ...for realz...

I would. Just think of the entertainment value alone and you'd be getting PAID to experience it!

Someone pay me to make an appointment with her.

On a related note, do you think she'd kick me out before the consult began if I came in eating ice cream?

pennyllayne

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

There would really be no point in me providing an answer, would there?

There would.

There wouldn't. I'd be told I'm backpedalling or contradicting myself or just downright wrong or whatever. On a similar line as was said to me, you guys haven't offered a single non critical word, why would you start now?

I don't mind though. I came here to offer helpful advice and information, if it's not wanted then that's fine, I will give up.

Jesus Christ on a stick, WTF are you going to tell people if you ever decide to become a nutritionist and they ask you a similar question?

"Well, I have an answer, but what's the point? That'll be $50, please!"

Someone who came to see me would be an entirely different case. I'd have their background and know their diet and health status and then if they had been prepared to do everything required to attend a consultation it would mean they actually want some advice and answers. I'm not being asked because the person is really curious about the answer, I'm being asked so that my response can be ridiculed. You're more than welcome to set up an appointment though if you like and then I'll answer any question you like if you're paying me. Not much point in answering a question I'm not being paid to give just to be ridiculed.

you could not pay me to set up an appointment with you ...for realz...

That's ok I don't mind

WendyTerry420

This looks highly rewarding to me:

I just want to look at this steak some more...

ETA: Can we quit arguing already and just look at some food porn?

JoRocka

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

I'll answer... they will not and they are not.

that's because oreo's are amazing.

Hornsby

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

I'll answer... they will not and they are not.

that's because oreo's are amazing.

They are unhealthy poisons....That's why I only ate 9 of them last night instead of 18.

JoRocka

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

I'll answer... they will not and they are not.

that's because oreo's are amazing.

They are amazing mouth-gasms of awesome....That's why I only ate 9 of them last night instead of 18.

FTFY

Strokingdiction

Let me ask you a simple question, Penny.

My calorie target for each day 3400 calories. I have my macros set accordingly. If I have 350 calories to spare and all my macros/micros will still be on target if I eat 6 Oreo cookies (or anything you want to define as unhealthy), how will those Oreo cookies impact me negatively? How are they unhealthy for me?

I'll answer... they will not and they are not.

that's because oreo's are amazing.

They are amazing mouth-gasms of awesome....That's why I only ate 9 of them last night instead of 18.

FTFY

Have you tried to birthday cake variety? If they are bad then I don't want to be good.

ksuh999

Someone who came to see me would be an entirely different case. I'd have their background and know their diet and health status and then if they had been prepared to do everything required to attend a consultation it would mean they actually want some advice and answers. I'm not being asked because the person is really curious about the answer, I'm being asked so that my response can be ridiculed. You're more than welcome to set up an appointment though if you like and then I'll answer any question you like if you're paying me. Not much point in answering a question I'm not being paid to give just to be ridiculed.

Nah, the problem is you don't have an answer that doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics.

I don't see how the laws of thermodynamics come into play as far as health is concerned. And I don't give answers that violate the laws of thermodynamics because that would assume I somehow ignore facts.

You are incapable of directly answering a question.

Well, have fun being a nutritionist. Luckily there are already lots of nutritionists like yourself shoveling mounds of BS to their clients, so you'll be in good company.