Paleo?

WendyTerry420

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Your doctors said "don't exercise"? Seriously?

No. Is that how you read that, really? Wow.

He just said that low carb diet was the biggest thing to focus on. Sort of how like abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym -- 80% is diet, 20% is exercise, etc. That diet was the biggest thing to control insulin spikes, then exercise, and then if those two weren't enough -- and they often aren't -- to opt for some medication like metformin.

So he actually didn't tell tell you to exercise afterwards, just that it was the second factor.
Because the actual recommendations are diet AND exercise intervention for six months prior to treatment for all pre-Dia or borderline.

Both.

Yep! My husband's doctor told him that he has seen several patients reverse it with proper diet and exercise. And his dietitian recommended balanced macros and appropriate meal timing with regular glucose checks. She said low-carb was fine, but not essential if it's a high fiber carb or accompanied with appropriate fats. The main point was not to eat too many carbs in one sitting, and not to eat simple carbs by themselves, especially liquids, unless glucose readings too low.

WendyTerry420

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Time for a new doctor maybe? That advice is pretty ancient.

Well, I trained and ran a half marathon and that didn't improve my insulin resistance. Along with 3x5 workout three times a week. So, at least for me, the exercise is the best thing certainly wasn't true. Whereas, implementing the low carb diet has been the thing that has helped me the most. I feel the best on it and my A1c levels have come down.

Were you sedentary before being diagnosed? People develop insulin resistance for different reasons. A sedentary lifestyle is a common factor.

jofjltncb6

I did paleo for a couple weeks. For the first week, week and a half I was GRUMPY. I did lose weight, but overall I personally didn't find it sustainable long term.

I suspect you were "grumpy" because you weren't eating enough a) total calories, or b) carbs. Many people will find either of these unsustainable.

Also, "paleo" isn't necessarily low carb, but it certainly can be.


TL;DR - you said you "did paleo" but I suspect you weren't doing it right.

auddii

I did paleo for a couple weeks. For the first week, week and a half I was GRUMPY. I did lose weight, but overall I personally didn't find it sustainable long term.

I suspect you were "grumpy" because you weren't eating enough a) total calories, or b) carbs. Many people will find either of these unsustainable.

Also, "paleo" isn't necessarily low carb, but it certainly can be.


TL;DR - you said you "did paleo" but I suspect you weren't doing it right.

Someone else mentioned that they were very grumpy on low carb, and they had brought up a good point that carbs can increase serotonin levels. So, if someone is already predisposed to depression and they cut carbs (although like you said, that isn't necessarily a requirement for paleo), it might have an adverse effect.

Plus everyone goes on and on about the "carb flu", and from the comments on the blog (marksdailyapple), it seems like people's experiences with that vary greatly. Some people don't have it at all, some get it for a few days, and I think I saw one or two that said it lasted a few weeks.

When I tried low-ish carbs, it coincided with me getting low blood sugars all the time. I'm still not sure if it caused it, but after adding more carbs into my diet, it's been much better. And I was *****y ALL THE TIME when I was having low blood sugars. Of course, I also seem to be a pretty rare case, so who knows.

rebalee8

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Yep. She's never recommended low-carb, but she tells me just about every time I'm there about studies showing exercise showing the best results - better than medication even.

And when I upped my exercise (not changing my diet composition), and my numbers improved... I even got a "see, what have I been telling you?" :laugh:

nancy10272004

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Time for a new doctor maybe? That advice is pretty ancient.

Amen to that.

I have insulin resistance and my endocronologist's first course of action was to put me on Metformin. Sure, I lost weight but it was because the side effects were so horrific that I couldn't keep anything down.

I switched doctors, he took me off of the drug, told me to walk a half hour a day, eat a balanced diet that contains all food groups in moderation. I've lost about 20 lbs in two months, my blood sugar is way down and my beach ball of an abdomen is getting smaller.

lindsey1979

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Your doctors said "don't exercise"? Seriously?

No. Is that how you read that, really? Wow.

He just said that low carb diet was the biggest thing to focus on. Sort of how like abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym -- 80% is diet, 20% is exercise, etc. That diet was the biggest thing to control insulin spikes, then exercise, and then if those two weren't enough -- and they often aren't -- to opt for some medication like metformin.

So he actually didn't tell tell you to exercise afterwards, just that it was the second factor.
Because the actual recommendations are diet AND exercise intervention for six months prior to treatment for all pre-Dia or borderline.

Both.

Right, both. But he told me that diet was going to have the biggest effect, and in my experience, that was absolutely true.

lindsey1979

So he actually didn't tell tell you to exercise afterwards, just that it was the second factor.
Because the actual recommendations are diet AND exercise intervention for six months prior to treatment for all pre-Dia or borderline.

Both.

Yep! My husband's doctor told him that he has seen several patients reverse it with proper diet and exercise. And his dietitian recommended balanced macros and appropriate meal timing with regular glucose checks. She said low-carb was fine, but not essential if it's a high fiber carb or accompanied with appropriate fats. The main point was not to eat too many carbs in one sitting, and not to eat simple carbs by themselves, especially liquids, unless glucose readings too low.

We went through that at first and some will suggest that carb focus. However, for some, it's just not enough. I found focusing on the low GI carbs to be the most helpful and low carb overall. I suppose it depends on the individual's reactions, but I've known quite a few that couldn't find any relief unless they were full keto (luckily, I'm not that sensitive).

lindsey1979

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Time for a new doctor maybe? That advice is pretty ancient.

Well, I trained and ran a half marathon and that didn't improve my insulin resistance. Along with 3x5 workout three times a week. So, at least for me, the exercise is the best thing certainly wasn't true. Whereas, implementing the low carb diet has been the thing that has helped me the most. I feel the best on it and my A1c levels have come down.

Were you sedentary before being diagnosed? People develop insulin resistance for different reasons. A sedentary lifestyle is a common factor.

No, I've always been pretty active. But, my insulin resistance is a secondary effect from long untreated thyroid issue, so my hormones were all out of whack. Perhaps if the other levels that were off had been normal and it had just been insulin resistance, exercise would have been enough. I can't say. I just know it wasn't enough in my case to get things back on track.

rebalee8

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Your doctors said "don't exercise"? Seriously?

No. Is that how you read that, really? Wow.

He just said that low carb diet was the biggest thing to focus on. Sort of how like abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym -- 80% is diet, 20% is exercise, etc. That diet was the biggest thing to control insulin spikes, then exercise, and then if those two weren't enough -- and they often aren't -- to opt for some medication like metformin.

So he actually didn't tell tell you to exercise afterwards, just that it was the second factor.
Because the actual recommendations are diet AND exercise intervention for six months prior to treatment for all pre-Dia or borderline.

Both.

Yep! My husband's doctor told him that he has seen several patients reverse it with proper diet and exercise. And his dietitian recommended balanced macros and appropriate meal timing with regular glucose checks. She said low-carb was fine, but not essential if it's a high fiber carb or accompanied with appropriate fats. The main point was not to eat too many carbs in one sitting, and not to eat simple carbs by themselves, especially liquids, unless glucose readings too low.

I do have to say this is something that my endo also said. I'm a vegetarian, and my macro ratios are generally 55/15/30 (carb/protein/fat) and she didn't have a problem with that, but she did stress that my carbs should be focused on the complex: fruits, veggies, whole-grains and legumes rather than simple starches like refined flour products and things loaded with added sugars.

WendyTerry420

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Time for a new doctor maybe? That advice is pretty ancient.

Well, I trained and ran a half marathon and that didn't improve my insulin resistance. Along with 3x5 workout three times a week. So, at least for me, the exercise is the best thing certainly wasn't true. Whereas, implementing the low carb diet has been the thing that has helped me the most. I feel the best on it and my A1c levels have come down.

Were you sedentary before being diagnosed? People develop insulin resistance for different reasons. A sedentary lifestyle is a common factor.

No, I've always been pretty active. But, my insulin resistance is a secondary effect from long untreated thyroid issue, so my hormones were all out of whack. Perhaps if the other levels that were off had been normal and it had just been insulin resistance, exercise would have been enough. I can't say. I just know it wasn't enough in my case to get things back on track.

Well there ya go. Exercise is key for a sedentary person, but won't help a lot for someone whose insulin/glucose issues have a different cause. Being sedentary is probably the most common lifestyle factor.

WendyTerry420

Yep! My husband's doctor told him that he has seen several patients reverse it with proper diet and exercise. And his dietitian recommended balanced macros and appropriate meal timing with regular glucose checks. She said low-carb was fine, but not essential if it's a high fiber carb or accompanied with appropriate fats. The main point was not to eat too many carbs in one sitting, and not to eat simple carbs by themselves, especially liquids, unless glucose readings too low.

I do have to say this is something that my endo also said. I'm a vegetarian, and my macro ratios are generally 55/15/30 (carb/protein/fat) and she didn't have a problem with that, but she did stress that my carbs should be focused on the complex: fruits, veggies, whole-grains and legumes rather than simple starches like refined flour products and things loaded with added sugars.

That's the prevailing wisdom now. Low-carb is not necessary for most people when their diet is focused on whole foods that are as close to their natural state as possible. My husband doesn't log, but I buy the groceries and do the cooking, so I have a good idea of what he eats. His other complication is Crohn's disease, so by the time I thought I had his dietary restrictions down pat, he was diagnosed with Type II diabetes, and the whole thing began again. Sometimes I fix him a separate meal. And just as he was finally lowering his A1C, he developed a hernia and is on physical restriction, so he can't exercise much. Now his A1C is back up again.

lindsey1979

Not all brain function requires glucose. Some brain function absolutely requires glucose, but it's only something like 25%. The rest is more than happy to use ketones as its fuel source.

But why bother?

Some people have a harder time with carbs, so for them, it's easier to eat a high fat low carb diet. That's especially true for people with issues like insulin resistance.

It is not true for most people, and it silly to suggest to someone who has no health issues.

Well, some groups estimate that 25% of the US population -- or 80 million people -- have insulin resistance. And that takes quite a threshold to become insulin resistance. So, it's not absurd to think that there are quite a few people with carb sensitivity issues, even if they don't rise to the level of Celiacs, Type 2 diabetes or insulin resistance.

And, there are many that didn't think they had any issues (myself included) and were shocked at how much better they felt after eliminating grains from their diet. As I said, I've known quite a few people who had this experience and it's not an uncommon experience among those that have tried Paleo/Primal -- you see other MFPers having said the same thing. So, it doesn't seem all that silly to me.

Insulin resistance is no reason to eliminate grains entirely.

A good reason to exercise and lose weight though.

Yep! Exercise is the best thing a person can do to combat insulin resistance.

This is what my endocrinologist tells me.

Really? That surprises me. Mine all said low carb diet first, then exercise and if that wasn't enough, medication like metformin.

Time for a new doctor maybe? That advice is pretty ancient.

Well, I trained and ran a half marathon and that didn't improve my insulin resistance. Along with 3x5 workout three times a week. So, at least for me, the exercise is the best thing certainly wasn't true. Whereas, implementing the low carb diet has been the thing that has helped me the most. I feel the best on it and my A1c levels have come down.

Were you sedentary before being diagnosed? People develop insulin resistance for different reasons. A sedentary lifestyle is a common factor.

No, I've always been pretty active. But, my insulin resistance is a secondary effect from long untreated thyroid issue, so my hormones were all out of whack. Perhaps if the other levels that were off had been normal and it had just been insulin resistance, exercise would have been enough. I can't say. I just know it wasn't enough in my case to get things back on track.

Well there ya go. Exercise is key for a sedentary person, but won't help a lot for someone whose insulin/glucose issues have a different cause. Being sedentary is probably the most common lifestyle factor.

Well, I imagine that the exercise may have also already been doing what it was capable of doing (i.e. without it, my numbers would have been much higher). Hard to say. I just know it wasn't bringing it down any below a certain point, whereas when I start restricting carbs, the weight finally started coming off like a normal person along with reduce A1c numbers (and the thyroid and other issues were sorted out at this point).

neandermagnon

Another vote here for 'everything in moderation'. Some parts of the Paleo diet make sense and I can see how paying attention to what you eat and avoiding processed foods is good for you. Cutting down on refined sugars and avoiding too much high GI food and its resultant insulin swings is a good idea. However, to cut out such a valuable food source as legumes, grains, dairy and many fruits is counter-intuitive. All of the above have nutritional benefits - just don't stuff your face with them ;-)

What was so great about being a caveman anyway? Sure they did not suffer from heart disease, but that was because the average life expectancy was less than 30 years of age! The diet may be 'natural', but so is TB - and you don't see tuberculosis promoted as a healthy option...

Again, I sound like I am defending paleo - I am not. I am aware that the food we eat today is nothing like their actual diet. But the average life expectancy is a little misleading. There was a high mortality rate for children and infants which would bring the average age down. Plus, they had to worry about predators, injuries and other things that are not fatal to us now because of modern medicine.
Not to mention the whole TB is natural argument doesn't even make sense. Their diet wasn't necessarily what lowered their mortality, disease does.

This is true @ life expectancy being skewed by high infant mortalty. there are skulls of elderly humans that are nearly 2 million years old.

Also, people often quote the life expectancy of "cavemen" referring (sometimes unknowingly) to data from neanderthals and Homo erectus - these were different species of humans (neanderthals are sometimes considered a different subspecies but even so the common ancestor of them and us lived around 1 million years ago going by DNA and archaeological estimates - compared to all modern humans sharing a common ancestor from around 40,000-60,000 years ago).............. the age at which Homo erectus reached sexual maturity, and the age they became old, was shorter because they were a different species and Homo sapiens evolved a longer lifespan. The Turkana/Narikotome boy, a very famous skeleton of an adolescent male Homo erectus died at a developmental age equivalent to age 14 in a Homo sapies, i.e. if you stood him next to a 14 yr old modern boy they'd look about the same in terms of their size and level of physical development........ yet microscopic analysis shows that he died at a chronological age of about 8. So Homo erectus children grew up nearly twice as quickly as Homo sapiens children. If you consider that they grew up nearly twice as fast, 30 isn't a young age any more.

With neanderthals there's more conflicting evidence re how quickly neanderthal kids grew up, but a lot of evidence points to them having a somewhat shorter childhood, but a longer childhood than Homo erectus. (both us and neanderthals are descended from Homo erectus). From archaeological evidence, elderly in neanderthal terms is about 45-50 and few lived past this age... but if you consider a naturally shorter lifespan, i.e. younger age of sexual maturity, first reproduction, etc. Then 50 is really old.

And if you bring palaeolithic Homo sapiens into the equation, the fossil record shows more older individuals than younger individuals found, i.e. the majority of people who didn't die in infancy reached old age. This is most likely due to decreased mortality during young adulthood compared to Homo erectus and neanderthals (though neanderthals being between the other two in this regard as well) - which is very likely the result of more advanced technology, including long range hunting weapons. Pretty much all male neanderthal skeletons show evidence of recovery from broken bones, and the type/frequency of broken bones match that of modern day rodeo riders, which shows they regularly got injured hunting large animals... well Homo sapiens had long range weapons which no doubt meant lower mortality from hunting accidents at the very least. But other technological advances would have meant lower young adult mortality. So when it comes to Homo sapiens the thing of the average age of death being only 30 I'm really not sure would be correct. It'd be more a case of "if you live till 5 you live till 85" though infant and early childhood mortality would bring the average age of death down somewhat.

JoRocka

15% protein- no one else saw that. O_o ?!?!?!?!

Holy cow I would DIE- I get light headed and practically none functional on anything less than 30% protein.

rebalee8

Yep! My husband's doctor told him that he has seen several patients reverse it with proper diet and exercise. And his dietitian recommended balanced macros and appropriate meal timing with regular glucose checks. She said low-carb was fine, but not essential if it's a high fiber carb or accompanied with appropriate fats. The main point was not to eat too many carbs in one sitting, and not to eat simple carbs by themselves, especially liquids, unless glucose readings too low.

I do have to say this is something that my endo also said. I'm a vegetarian, and my macro ratios are generally 55/15/30 (carb/protein/fat) and she didn't have a problem with that, but she did stress that my carbs should be focused on the complex: fruits, veggies, whole-grains and legumes rather than simple starches like refined flour products and things loaded with added sugars.

That's the prevailing wisdom now. Low-carb is not necessary for most people when their diet is focused on whole foods that are as close to their natural state as possible. My husband doesn't log, but I buy the groceries and do the cooking, so I have a good idea of what he eats. His other complication is Crohn's disease, so by the time I thought I had his dietary restrictions down pat, he was diagnosed with Type II diabetes, and the whole thing began again. Sometimes I fix him a separate meal. And just as he was finally lowering his A1C, he developed a hernia and is on physical restriction, so he can't exercise much. Now his A1C is back up again.

Oh, mixed with can Crohn's be tough because I know for some people high-fiber can be a trigger. And then to have the physical restriction. I hope he can recover from the hernia soon and get back to his exercise.

rebalee8

15% protein- no one else saw that. O_o ?!?!?!?!

Holy cow I would DIE- I get light headed and practically none functional on anything less than 30% protein.

Maybe no one else thought it was that big a deal since a) it's within the generally recommended range b) my doctor is aware and unconcerned, and c) it's working for me.

So, you know "different strokes for different folks". :shrug:

PaleoPath4Lyfe

15% protein- no one else saw that. O_o ?!?!?!?!

Holy cow I would DIE- I get light headed and practically none functional on anything less than 30% protein.

I normally get in about 20% protein, 65 percent fat and 15% carbs. The fat is where I get my energy from

JoRocka

15% protein- no one else saw that. O_o ?!?!?!?!

Holy cow I would DIE- I get light headed and practically none functional on anything less than 30% protein.

Maybe no one else thought it was that big a deal since a) it's within the generally recommended range b) my doctor is aware and unconcerned, and c) it's working for me.

So, you know "different strokes for different folks". :shrug:

I realize that different people have different needs- but that just seems SO low!!!

I'm glad it's working for you though wasn't a judgement more just shock. The bulk of the people that I talk to/associate with know- are usually 30-40% or higher.

cwsreddy

15% protein- no one else saw that. O_o ?!?!?!?!

Holy cow I would DIE- I get light headed and practically none functional on anything less than 30% protein.

lol. doubtful.