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  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    We keep forgetting that Alcohol is a macro.

    word of god = alcohol = macro

    I could make that mental leap- except I actually like alcohol

    Maybe you need to drink some more before it comes together for you?

    that explains the mass thing- I'll get right on that tonight- or maybe tomorrow- or both- who knows! It's april- apparently I need God in my life.

    Easter: Chocolate, eggs, wine and God
  • AsaThorsWoman
    AsaThorsWoman Posts: 2,303 Member
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    I had Paleo Chili for lunch and it was AMAZING. But if you like beans, eat 'em in your chili!
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
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    We keep forgetting that Alcohol is a macro.

    word of god = alcohol = macro

    I could make that mental leap- except I actually like alcohol

    Maybe you need to drink some more before it comes together for you?

    that explains the mass thing- I'll get right on that tonight- or maybe tomorrow- or both- who knows! It's april- apparently I need God in my life.

    Easter: Chocolate, eggs, wine and God

    god is good :)
  • TBoyles14
    TBoyles14 Posts: 1 Member
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    I think this should definitely be a personal choice regardless of the label. I have been mostly "Paleo" for about two months. For the past two years, I have dealt with major digestive issues and after major food journaling and miserable belly issues, decided the more grains (especially wheat) I consumed, the more miserable I felt. I don't follow it strictly, and I definitely don't call myself a cavewoman. I still eat dairy in moderation (it doesn't like me that well either) and when I get caught in a situation where Paleo type food isn't an option (this doesn't happen often since most anywhere will have a salad :), I will have whatever I think is the best choice for me at that moment--not a junkie eater so it's usually the salad...:P

    I am a distance runner and have actually discovered I feel better in general and recover faster. I don't feel the need to carb-load with anything, and, surprisingly, manage longer runs better then ever. I no longer have the sluggishness throughout the day (I'm a teacher) and never have the blood sugar crashes (this was a persistent issue for me) that even "whole" grains would give me. Eating minimally processed foods is the key to any way of eating. I would really suggest you keep a food journal and do what makes you feel the best each day :)
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
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    Hmm... I think Jesus did paleo, and he was *ripped*.

    No. He ate bread.
    and drank wine...

    Wines allowed on primal.

    I have a feeling given enough time so will bread...

    What sort of bread? Maybe when they discover it's amazing nutritional properties they will let it in! Lol

    It's most valuable nutrient is pleasure... and make no mistake, pleasure is a nutrient.

    Sorry but it doesn't ring my bell, Now a big bowl of chilli, that the most nutrient rich food for me (that's if pleasure is the nutrient of choice). Lol

    Yep... as long as there are beans in there and I have a nice piece of italien bread to sop up all the juice ;)

    How about smoked salmon, goat cheese on two slices of sprouted whole wheat bread.... oh yeah!

    True chili does not have beans in it. :bigsmile:

    But good chili does...

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  • HardyGirl4Ever
    HardyGirl4Ever Posts: 1,017 Member
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    I tried it to get healthy and not be sick anymore. Then I got sick over and over again so I stopped.


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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,023 Member
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    it cuts out inflammatory foods (grains, refined sugar) which is beneficial because inflammation in our bodies is the cause of autoimmune diseases, cancer, alzheimer's, parkinsons

    That is a bold statement...
    It's chronic inflammation that's problematic and really doesn't have much to do with eating moderate amounts of what some people refer to as inflammatory foods......

    It really depends on the person. For some people, there certainly are certain foods that exacerbate the inflammation. So, once they eliminate them from their diet, they gain considerable relief.
    Yes, very true and those people would be better off. I suspect a very, very small percentage of people will actually have a sensitivity with most nightshades considering the active ingredient solanine is in the leaves and stems and a person would also need to have a sensitivity to it............most people don't, so it's basically just dogma for the masses and makes for a good story........much like legumes........who eats them raw........people need to believe I guess.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,951 Member
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    it cuts out inflammatory foods (grains, refined sugar) which is beneficial because inflammation in our bodies is the cause of autoimmune diseases, cancer, alzheimer's, parkinsons

    That is a bold statement...
    It's chronic inflammation that's problematic and really doesn't have much to do with eating moderate amounts of what some people refer to as inflammatory foods......

    It really depends on the person. For some people, there certainly are certain foods that exacerbate the inflammation. So, once they eliminate them from their diet, they gain considerable relief.
    Yes, very true and those people would be better off. I suspect a very, very small percentage of people will actually have a sensitivity with most nightshades considering the active ingredient solanine is in the leaves and stems and a person would also need to have a sensitivity to it............most people don't, so it's basically just dogma for the masses and makes for a good story........much like legumes........who eats them raw........people need to believe I guess.

    I believe some people like the structure. Rather then fending for themselves, they prefer a list of no go foods. I have to admit when I did paleo for a few years that appealed to me very much. Just got too restrictive for me in the long run...
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,023 Member
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    it cuts out inflammatory foods (grains, refined sugar) which is beneficial because inflammation in our bodies is the cause of autoimmune diseases, cancer, alzheimer's, parkinsons

    That is a bold statement...
    It's chronic inflammation that's problematic and really doesn't have much to do with eating moderate amounts of what some people refer to as inflammatory foods......

    It really depends on the person. For some people, there certainly are certain foods that exacerbate the inflammation. So, once they eliminate them from their diet, they gain considerable relief.
    Yes, very true and those people would be better off. I suspect a very, very small percentage of people will actually have a sensitivity with most nightshades considering the active ingredient solanine is in the leaves and stems and a person would also need to have a sensitivity to it............most people don't, so it's basically just dogma for the masses and makes for a good story........much like legumes........who eats them raw........people need to believe I guess.

    I believe some people like the structure. Rather then fending for themselves, they prefer a list of no go foods. I have to admit when I did paleo for a few years that appealed to me very much. Just got too restrictive for me in the long run...
    Yeah, structure is a good thing. Personally I think the paleo diet is extremely healthy from the research I've done and like you, I would find it far too restrictive.
  • lindsey1979
    lindsey1979 Posts: 2,395 Member
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    it cuts out inflammatory foods (grains, refined sugar) which is beneficial because inflammation in our bodies is the cause of autoimmune diseases, cancer, alzheimer's, parkinsons

    That is a bold statement...
    It's chronic inflammation that's problematic and really doesn't have much to do with eating moderate amounts of what some people refer to as inflammatory foods......

    It really depends on the person. For some people, there certainly are certain foods that exacerbate the inflammation. So, once they eliminate them from their diet, they gain considerable relief.
    Yes, very true and those people would be better off. I suspect a very, very small percentage of people will actually have a sensitivity with most nightshades considering the active ingredient solanine is in the leaves and stems and a person would also need to have a sensitivity to it............most people don't, so it's basically just dogma for the masses and makes for a good story........much like legumes........who eats them raw........people need to believe I guess.

    I can see it with nightshades, and even perhaps legumes. For me that's not a big deal because I just don't care for most legumes anyway and don't eat much nightshades either. The one exception is probably tomatoes, which I do eat from time to time.

    But, a lot of people do seem to notice issues with grains (often gluten and wheat in particular) and dairy (likely casein or lactose). And when they take those out of their diet, they're amazed by how much better they feel. I personally was able to add dairy back in as I had no issues with it, but that's not the case for everyone.
  • Muddy_Yogi
    Muddy_Yogi Posts: 1,459 Member
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    Alright, I've been a little afraid to post this because I heard it will start "forum flame wars," but I've just heard different things about it and I was wondering exactly what it is and why it may be good/bad for you. What are the pros/cons? Have any of you tried it?

    Sorry in advance for any arguments this thread may cause....

    Pros - Get to join the cult of paleo, may also be accepted to the cult of crossfit

    Cons- Unnecessary for weightloss and health (medical reasons not withstanding), wheat, legumes and dairy are pretty tasty
    This is literally no joke. Paleo and Crossfit go hand in hand with their holier than thou preachings. People that follow them literally get washed into thinking their way is the only way and if you're not doing them then you're wrong. More harmful than helpful to the fitness industry IMO.

    Please don't generalize. Not all people that eat in a paleo manner have a holier than thou attitude.
  • Strokingdiction
    Strokingdiction Posts: 1,164 Member
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    I think this should definitely be a personal choice regardless of the label. I have been mostly "Paleo" for about two months. For the past two years, I have dealt with major digestive issues and after major food journaling and miserable belly issues, decided the more grains (especially wheat) I consumed, the more miserable I felt. I don't follow it strictly, and I definitely don't call myself a cavewoman. I still eat dairy in moderation (it doesn't like me that well either) and when I get caught in a situation where Paleo type food isn't an option (this doesn't happen often since most anywhere will have a salad :), I will have whatever I think is the best choice for me at that moment--not a junkie eater so it's usually the salad...:P

    I am a distance runner and have actually discovered I feel better in general and recover faster. I don't feel the need to carb-load with anything, and, surprisingly, manage longer runs better then ever. I no longer have the sluggishness throughout the day (I'm a teacher) and never have the blood sugar crashes (this was a persistent issue for me) that even "whole" grains would give me. Eating minimally processed foods is the key to any way of eating. I would really suggest you keep a food journal and do what makes you feel the best each day :)

    Per bolded above:
    Can you really be 'mostly' paleo? I have an in-law that claims she's 'mostly' vegetarian until she's eating that bratwurst. Doesn't being paleo, like being vegetarian mean you have to follow certain guidelines? Aren't you just eating what you want if you 'cheat'? It should be, "I've been trying to be paleo for two months now though I often find myself failing." That seems way more honest though it might interfer with a person's ability to tell other people how awesome it is while maintaining a straight face.

    Or is it based on a percentage? If you eat according to the diet 90% of the time, you can still claim the title and use it to tell people how much better you are than your friends because you're taking part in a way of eating that requires a name and specific guidelines with specifically claimed health benefits?

    I think you should be all or none and you have to go all the way for at least a year before you are allowed mention how amazing it is to a single person without being specifically asked about it first. I would prefer never but I suppose if you stick to it for a year you might as well get something out of it (honestly, this goes for any diet, no matter it's name or conditions).
  • Charlottesometimes23
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    I would say a big pro of eating "paleo" is it cuts out inflammatory foods (grains, refined sugar) which is beneficial because inflammation in our bodies is the cause of autoimmune diseases, cancer, alzheimer's, parkinsons', etc etc over time. Legumes are avoided because of phytic acid, I believe? and dairy because lactose and casein are common irritants (although a lot of people can handle dairy just fine). But mostly I think the avoidance of grains and sugar is what makes it a healthy choice.

    So, if I eat Paleo, I'm less likely to get cancer etc.? Wow, that IS a bold statement.
  • Strokingdiction
    Strokingdiction Posts: 1,164 Member
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    I would say a big pro of eating "paleo" is it cuts out inflammatory foods (grains, refined sugar) which is beneficial because inflammation in our bodies is the cause of autoimmune diseases, cancer, alzheimer's, parkinsons', etc etc over time. Legumes are avoided because of phytic acid, I believe? and dairy because lactose and casein are common irritants (although a lot of people can handle dairy just fine). But mostly I think the avoidance of grains and sugar is what makes it a healthy choice.

    So, if I eat Paleo, I'm less likely to get cancer etc.? Wow, that IS a bold statement.

    No, this is a bold statement.
  • Charlottesometimes23
    Charlottesometimes23 Posts: 687 Member
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    I would say a big pro of eating "paleo" is it cuts out inflammatory foods (grains, refined sugar) which is beneficial because inflammation in our bodies is the cause of autoimmune diseases, cancer, alzheimer's, parkinsons', etc etc over time. Legumes are avoided because of phytic acid, I believe? and dairy because lactose and casein are common irritants (although a lot of people can handle dairy just fine). But mostly I think the avoidance of grains and sugar is what makes it a healthy choice.

    So, if I eat Paleo, I'm less likely to get cancer etc.? Wow, that IS a bold statement.

    No, this is a bold statement.
    :laugh:
  • neanderthin
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    it cuts out inflammatory foods (grains, refined sugar) which is beneficial because inflammation in our bodies is the cause of autoimmune diseases, cancer, alzheimer's, parkinsons

    That is a bold statement...
    It's chronic inflammation that's problematic and really doesn't have much to do with eating moderate amounts of what some people refer to as inflammatory foods......

    It really depends on the person. For some people, there certainly are certain foods that exacerbate the inflammation. So, once they eliminate them from their diet, they gain considerable relief.
    Yes, very true and those people would be better off. I suspect a very, very small percentage of people will actually have a sensitivity with most nightshades considering the active ingredient solanine is in the leaves and stems and a person would also need to have a sensitivity to it............most people don't, so it's basically just dogma for the masses and makes for a good story........much like legumes........who eats them raw........people need to believe I guess.

    I can see it with nightshades, and even perhaps legumes. For me that's not a big deal because I just don't care for most legumes anyway and don't eat much nightshades either. The one exception is probably tomatoes, which I do eat from time to time.

    But, a lot of people do seem to notice issues with grains (often gluten and wheat in particular) and dairy (likely casein or lactose). And when they take those out of their diet, they're amazed by how much better they feel. I personally was able to add dairy back in as I had no issues with it, but that's not the case for everyone.
    Sure, if someone has issues they should find alternatives. I don't. Personally I find the grain argument has merit but not with the sensitivity issue, personally I think that is overblown to a large extent, but in the dosages as a percentage of total calories that people have traditionally consumed in North America, which would included the refined grain vegetable oils. The delta 6 desaturase competing pathway with omega 3's is where the problem lays when too much grain is consumed.
  • jenn26point2
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    Alright, I've been a little afraid to post this because I heard it will start "forum flame wars," but I've just heard different things about it and I was wondering exactly what it is and why it may be good/bad for you. What are the pros/cons? Have any of you tried it?

    Sorry in advance for any arguments this thread may cause....

    Pros - Get to join the cult of paleo, may also be accepted to the cult of crossfit

    Cons- Unnecessary for weightloss and health (medical reasons not withstanding), wheat, legumes and dairy are pretty tasty
    This is literally no joke. Paleo and Crossfit go hand in hand with their holier than thou preachings. People that follow them literally get washed into thinking their way is the only way and if you're not doing them then you're wrong. More harmful than helpful to the fitness industry IMO.

    Please don't generalize. Not all people that eat in a paleo manner have a holier than thou attitude.

    What she said.
  • tennisdude2004
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    Hmm... I think Jesus did paleo, and he was *ripped*.

    No. He ate bread.
    and drank wine...

    Wines allowed on primal.

    I have a feeling given enough time so will bread...

    What sort of bread? Maybe when they discover it's amazing nutritional properties they will let it in! Lol

    It's most valuable nutrient is pleasure... and make no mistake, pleasure is a nutrient.

    Sorry but it doesn't ring my bell, Now a big bowl of chilli, that the most nutrient rich food for me (that's if pleasure is the nutrient of choice). Lol

    Yep... as long as there are beans in there and I have a nice piece of italien bread to sop up all the juice ;)

    How about smoked salmon, goat cheese on two slices of sprouted whole wheat bread.... oh yeah!

    Goats cheese is probably one of my favourite cheeses. I probably would eat some wheat bread if the payoff was smoked salmon and goats cheese. Mmmmmm
  • EvgeniZyntx
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    Hi, [Nutrition student at UC Davis, currently taking 4 different nutrition classes taught by doctors who specialize in fields like 'fad diets'. United States medical and nutrition journals have shown the paleo diet to be a success in individual's weight loss goals, however it is not sustainable and should be monitored very carefully. It's also important to understand how the paleo diet works physiologically. If you are consuming (in general, varies by person due to genetic variation) less than 130g of carbohydrates a day (carbohydrates are fruits, vegetables, grains and legumes) in 4-7 days your body will become ketonic and you may experience dizziness, loss of appetite and weight loss. So what is ketonic and why are you losing weight? - Carbohydrates are broken down into thousands of glucose units and stored at 'glycogen' in your muscles. Glycogen is a huge energy source for your body and is used during physical activity. Glycogen is also stored with water. So when you go on a paleo diet your body starts to become depleted of its glycogen stores and because glycogen is stored with water you also lose lots of water weight - which can be anywhere from 5-10lbs of water. Your brain NEEDS glucose for energy, glucose is the ONLY energy that the brain uses and the recommended 130g of carbohydrates a day is based off of what your brain uses per day (again varies person to person). So if this diet is prolonged your body will start to become ketonic - which means that because you have no stores of glycogen, and limited blood glucose available as fuel, your body will start to break down proteins - you will feel lethargic, have bad breath, offensive flatulence, ect. Again these results MAY vary from person to person, however the research is solid on how you body deals with under consuming carbohydrates. Which is why any nutritionist, dietician would not recommend a diet, but rather a mixed diet. If you are however a professional athlete or competitor, doing the paleo or the now popular high fat diet may be advised to you by your athletic coaches.

    you should ask for a refund

    ^Agreed

    Drive by silliness, she never came back to argue her position on how all those doing paleo are brain dead. <130 g of carbs you go crazy. Srs?
  • lindsey1979
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    I can see it with nightshades, and even perhaps legumes. For me that's not a big deal because I just don't care for most legumes anyway and don't eat much nightshades either. The one exception is probably tomatoes, which I do eat from time to time.

    But, a lot of people do seem to notice issues with grains (often gluten and wheat in particular) and dairy (likely casein or lactose). And when they take those out of their diet, they're amazed by how much better they feel. I personally was able to add dairy back in as I had no issues with it, but that's not the case for everyone.
    Sure, if someone has issues they should find alternatives. I don't. Personally I find the grain argument has merit but not with the sensitivity issue, personally I think that is overblown to a large extent, but in the dosages as a percentage of total calories that people have traditionally consumed in North America, which would included the refined grain vegetable oils. The delta 6 desaturase competing pathway with omega 3's is where the problem lays when too much grain is consumed.

    I can only tell you that I've known a lot of people that felt better once they cut out grains, myself and my fiance included -- and we didn't have any known major digestive issues at the time. And both of us were pretty shocked by it. I know that is not an uncommon experience for a lot of people that try Paleo/Primal and the reason why many stick with it -- because they feel better, see improvement in performance, etc.

    Is the reason hypothesized for these results correct? I don't know. It seems plausible to me. And, more importantly, the results are confirmed in my life.

    For others, they notice no difference. I think those folks are super lucky. I wish I could feel the exact same eating grains, sweets and lots of carbs. I just don't. But, man o man, do I wish I could eat all the pastries, desserts, breads, etc. so long as I stayed within my calorie goals --- but, it just doesn't work for me nearly as well.

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