Sugar Detox
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and the people who have been here for years with nothing to show for it who somehow think they know whats up in everything nutriton related.
Oh! I get it... only people with rockin' bodies can give advise or could possibly know the answers. Check!
I don't feel like I'm "All knowing" when it comes to diet and fitness.. I'm sure I'm far from expert level. But that doesn't mean I haven't gone through what someone else has gone through and can share advise with my experience. I guess I feel like a lot of the time, someone who has succeed in their weight loss (such as yourself) feel that their path is the only correct one. I applaud the work you put in and am glad you achieved your goals. But there are many paths to the end result and just because someone hasn't gotten there yet doesn't mean they don't have valid input into a conversation.
Great Post.
Considering that I am one that has been all over the place for years and years when it comes to dieting doesn't mean I'm not an expert. After years of research, meeting with various people, from dieticians, doctors, therapist, I am actually highly educated in the ins and outs of losing weight. But that doesn't mean I have practiced it. Having an unhealthy relationship with certain foods and going down different paths to see what works for the individual doesn't mean that food is demonized. Hey, I love sugar...L O V E it. I will eat a sweet and smile, savor it, taste every part of it, BUT then I eat another, and another and then I crash. And feel crappy and then what do I reach for because I've crashed? Another sweet treat. Because it taste so dang good and makes me happy. Restricting particular foods is not a bad thing. I'm not saying ENTIRE food groups. But a person needs to find out what works for them. For some, weight loss is simply less calories in than burned. BAM. It's easy. But for others, it is a major lifestyle overhaul. And there is NO straight path to a person changing their lifestyle. We are all different in many ways (psychosocial speaking) and different approaches work for different folks. I don't think it's wrong that people eat twinkies, or a bit of ice cream every day. Just like I don't think it's wrong that I choose to not eat those foods every day. I ate dinner last night, wanted something sweet, and had an orange. To me, that is learning to have a healthy relationship with food.
The thing is food restriction is rarely discussed in a "this worked for me kind of way," but more often in an absolute.
For example, I can either say, "Some people deal with binges by restricting a food. Try avoiding cake for a month. See how you feel, physically and mentally, and see how it affects your weight."
Or, I can say, "You shouldn't eat cake. It has sugar, which is toxic and addictive and will make you obese."
HUGE difference. I can support the former, but the latter is just flat out incorrect.
Sorry both stances are a big no no on these forum. It is unforgivable to cut back or reduce anything - ever!
And it's apparently a big no no to listen to medically trained experts advice to cut back, reduce, or cut out too! Who knew?!0 -
and the people who have been here for years with nothing to show for it who somehow think they know whats up in everything nutriton related.
Oh! I get it... only people with rockin' bodies can give advise or could possibly know the answers. Check!
I don't feel like I'm "All knowing" when it comes to diet and fitness.. I'm sure I'm far from expert level. But that doesn't mean I haven't gone through what someone else has gone through and can share advise with my experience. I guess I feel like a lot of the time, someone who has succeed in their weight loss (such as yourself) feel that their path is the only correct one. I applaud the work you put in and am glad you achieved your goals. But there are many paths to the end result and just because someone hasn't gotten there yet doesn't mean they don't have valid input into a conversation.
Great Post.
Considering that I am one that has been all over the place for years and years when it comes to dieting doesn't mean I'm not an expert. After years of research, meeting with various people, from dieticians, doctors, therapist, I am actually highly educated in the ins and outs of losing weight. But that doesn't mean I have practiced it. Having an unhealthy relationship with certain foods and going down different paths to see what works for the individual doesn't mean that food is demonized. Hey, I love sugar...L O V E it. I will eat a sweet and smile, savor it, taste every part of it, BUT then I eat another, and another and then I crash. And feel crappy and then what do I reach for because I've crashed? Another sweet treat. Because it taste so dang good and makes me happy. Restricting particular foods is not a bad thing. I'm not saying ENTIRE food groups. But a person needs to find out what works for them. For some, weight loss is simply less calories in than burned. BAM. It's easy. But for others, it is a major lifestyle overhaul. And there is NO straight path to a person changing their lifestyle. We are all different in many ways (psychosocial speaking) and different approaches work for different folks. I don't think it's wrong that people eat twinkies, or a bit of ice cream every day. Just like I don't think it's wrong that I choose to not eat those foods every day. I ate dinner last night, wanted something sweet, and had an orange. To me, that is learning to have a healthy relationship with food.
The thing is food restriction is rarely discussed in a "this worked for me kind of way," but more often in an absolute.
For example, I can either say, "Some people deal with binges by restricting a food. Try avoiding cake for a month. See how you feel, physically and mentally, and see how it affects your weight."
Or, I can say, "You shouldn't eat cake. It has sugar, which is toxic and addictive and will make you obese."
HUGE difference. I can support the former, but the latter is just flat out incorrect.
Sorry both stances are a big no no on these forum. It is unforgivable to cut back or reduce anything - ever!
And it's apparently a big no no to listen to medically trained experts advice to cut back, reduce, or cut out too! Who knew?!
What kind of "medical training". Are we talking GP's here?0 -
and the people who have been here for years with nothing to show for it who somehow think they know whats up in everything nutriton related.
Oh! I get it... only people with rockin' bodies can give advise or could possibly know the answers. Check!
I don't feel like I'm "All knowing" when it comes to diet and fitness.. I'm sure I'm far from expert level. But that doesn't mean I haven't gone through what someone else has gone through and can share advise with my experience. I guess I feel like a lot of the time, someone who has succeed in their weight loss (such as yourself) feel that their path is the only correct one. I applaud the work you put in and am glad you achieved your goals. But there are many paths to the end result and just because someone hasn't gotten there yet doesn't mean they don't have valid input into a conversation.
Great Post.
Considering that I am one that has been all over the place for years and years when it comes to dieting doesn't mean I'm not an expert. After years of research, meeting with various people, from dieticians, doctors, therapist, I am actually highly educated in the ins and outs of losing weight. But that doesn't mean I have practiced it. Having an unhealthy relationship with certain foods and going down different paths to see what works for the individual doesn't mean that food is demonized. Hey, I love sugar...L O V E it. I will eat a sweet and smile, savor it, taste every part of it, BUT then I eat another, and another and then I crash. And feel crappy and then what do I reach for because I've crashed? Another sweet treat. Because it taste so dang good and makes me happy. Restricting particular foods is not a bad thing. I'm not saying ENTIRE food groups. But a person needs to find out what works for them. For some, weight loss is simply less calories in than burned. BAM. It's easy. But for others, it is a major lifestyle overhaul. And there is NO straight path to a person changing their lifestyle. We are all different in many ways (psychosocial speaking) and different approaches work for different folks. I don't think it's wrong that people eat twinkies, or a bit of ice cream every day. Just like I don't think it's wrong that I choose to not eat those foods every day. I ate dinner last night, wanted something sweet, and had an orange. To me, that is learning to have a healthy relationship with food.
The thing is food restriction is rarely discussed in a "this worked for me kind of way," but more often in an absolute.
For example, I can either say, "Some people deal with binges by restricting a food. Try avoiding cake for a month. See how you feel, physically and mentally, and see how it affects your weight."
Or, I can say, "You shouldn't eat cake. It has sugar, which is toxic and addictive and will make you obese."
HUGE difference. I can support the former, but the latter is just flat out incorrect.
Sorry both stances are a big no no on these forum. It is unforgivable to cut back or reduce anything - ever!
And it's apparently a big no no to listen to medically trained experts advice to cut back, reduce, or cut out too! Who knew?!
I wouldn't listen to my doctor about fitness or nutrition. I probably know more about it than she does.0 -
and the people who have been here for years with nothing to show for it who somehow think they know whats up in everything nutriton related.
Oh! I get it... only people with rockin' bodies can give advise or could possibly know the answers. Check!
I don't feel like I'm "All knowing" when it comes to diet and fitness.. I'm sure I'm far from expert level. But that doesn't mean I haven't gone through what someone else has gone through and can share advise with my experience. I guess I feel like a lot of the time, someone who has succeed in their weight loss (such as yourself) feel that their path is the only correct one. I applaud the work you put in and am glad you achieved your goals. But there are many paths to the end result and just because someone hasn't gotten there yet doesn't mean they don't have valid input into a conversation.
Great Post.
Considering that I am one that has been all over the place for years and years when it comes to dieting doesn't mean I'm not an expert. After years of research, meeting with various people, from dieticians, doctors, therapist, I am actually highly educated in the ins and outs of losing weight. But that doesn't mean I have practiced it. Having an unhealthy relationship with certain foods and going down different paths to see what works for the individual doesn't mean that food is demonized. Hey, I love sugar...L O V E it. I will eat a sweet and smile, savor it, taste every part of it, BUT then I eat another, and another and then I crash. And feel crappy and then what do I reach for because I've crashed? Another sweet treat. Because it taste so dang good and makes me happy. Restricting particular foods is not a bad thing. I'm not saying ENTIRE food groups. But a person needs to find out what works for them. For some, weight loss is simply less calories in than burned. BAM. It's easy. But for others, it is a major lifestyle overhaul. And there is NO straight path to a person changing their lifestyle. We are all different in many ways (psychosocial speaking) and different approaches work for different folks. I don't think it's wrong that people eat twinkies, or a bit of ice cream every day. Just like I don't think it's wrong that I choose to not eat those foods every day. I ate dinner last night, wanted something sweet, and had an orange. To me, that is learning to have a healthy relationship with food.
The thing is food restriction is rarely discussed in a "this worked for me kind of way," but more often in an absolute.
For example, I can either say, "Some people deal with binges by restricting a food. Try avoiding cake for a month. See how you feel, physically and mentally, and see how it affects your weight."
Or, I can say, "You shouldn't eat cake. It has sugar, which is toxic and addictive and will make you obese."
HUGE difference. I can support the former, but the latter is just flat out incorrect.
Sorry both stances are a big no no on these forum. It is unforgivable to cut back or reduce anything - ever!
And it's apparently a big no no to listen to medically trained experts advice to cut back, reduce, or cut out too! Who knew?!
Dr Oz, Dr Mercola and many other quacks are medically trained. So what exactly is your point?0 -
Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.0 -
and the people who have been here for years with nothing to show for it who somehow think they know whats up in everything nutriton related.
Oh! I get it... only people with rockin' bodies can give advise or could possibly know the answers. Check!
I don't feel like I'm "All knowing" when it comes to diet and fitness.. I'm sure I'm far from expert level. But that doesn't mean I haven't gone through what someone else has gone through and can share advise with my experience. I guess I feel like a lot of the time, someone who has succeed in their weight loss (such as yourself) feel that their path is the only correct one. I applaud the work you put in and am glad you achieved your goals. But there are many paths to the end result and just because someone hasn't gotten there yet doesn't mean they don't have valid input into a conversation.
Great Post.
Considering that I am one that has been all over the place for years and years when it comes to dieting doesn't mean I'm not an expert. After years of research, meeting with various people, from dieticians, doctors, therapist, I am actually highly educated in the ins and outs of losing weight. But that doesn't mean I have practiced it. Having an unhealthy relationship with certain foods and going down different paths to see what works for the individual doesn't mean that food is demonized. Hey, I love sugar...L O V E it. I will eat a sweet and smile, savor it, taste every part of it, BUT then I eat another, and another and then I crash. And feel crappy and then what do I reach for because I've crashed? Another sweet treat. Because it taste so dang good and makes me happy. Restricting particular foods is not a bad thing. I'm not saying ENTIRE food groups. But a person needs to find out what works for them. For some, weight loss is simply less calories in than burned. BAM. It's easy. But for others, it is a major lifestyle overhaul. And there is NO straight path to a person changing their lifestyle. We are all different in many ways (psychosocial speaking) and different approaches work for different folks. I don't think it's wrong that people eat twinkies, or a bit of ice cream every day. Just like I don't think it's wrong that I choose to not eat those foods every day. I ate dinner last night, wanted something sweet, and had an orange. To me, that is learning to have a healthy relationship with food.
The thing is food restriction is rarely discussed in a "this worked for me kind of way," but more often in an absolute.
For example, I can either say, "Some people deal with binges by restricting a food. Try avoiding cake for a month. See how you feel, physically and mentally, and see how it affects your weight."
Or, I can say, "You shouldn't eat cake. It has sugar, which is toxic and addictive and will make you obese."
HUGE difference. I can support the former, but the latter is just flat out incorrect.
Sorry both stances are a big no no on these forum. It is unforgivable to cut back or reduce anything - ever!
And it's apparently a big no no to listen to medically trained experts advice to cut back, reduce, or cut out too! Who knew?!
Except their "medical training" is not "nutritional training". Your argument is laughable considering you dont even understand the points you are making and can only appeal to what your "medically trained experts" are telling you.
Anything, depending on dosage, is toxic.0 -
and the people who have been here for years with nothing to show for it who somehow think they know whats up in everything nutriton related.
Oh! I get it... only people with rockin' bodies can give advise or could possibly know the answers. Check!
I don't feel like I'm "All knowing" when it comes to diet and fitness.. I'm sure I'm far from expert level. But that doesn't mean I haven't gone through what someone else has gone through and can share advise with my experience. I guess I feel like a lot of the time, someone who has succeed in their weight loss (such as yourself) feel that their path is the only correct one. I applaud the work you put in and am glad you achieved your goals. But there are many paths to the end result and just because someone hasn't gotten there yet doesn't mean they don't have valid input into a conversation.
Great Post.
Considering that I am one that has been all over the place for years and years when it comes to dieting doesn't mean I'm not an expert. After years of research, meeting with various people, from dieticians, doctors, therapist, I am actually highly educated in the ins and outs of losing weight. But that doesn't mean I have practiced it. Having an unhealthy relationship with certain foods and going down different paths to see what works for the individual doesn't mean that food is demonized. Hey, I love sugar...L O V E it. I will eat a sweet and smile, savor it, taste every part of it, BUT then I eat another, and another and then I crash. And feel crappy and then what do I reach for because I've crashed? Another sweet treat. Because it taste so dang good and makes me happy. Restricting particular foods is not a bad thing. I'm not saying ENTIRE food groups. But a person needs to find out what works for them. For some, weight loss is simply less calories in than burned. BAM. It's easy. But for others, it is a major lifestyle overhaul. And there is NO straight path to a person changing their lifestyle. We are all different in many ways (psychosocial speaking) and different approaches work for different folks. I don't think it's wrong that people eat twinkies, or a bit of ice cream every day. Just like I don't think it's wrong that I choose to not eat those foods every day. I ate dinner last night, wanted something sweet, and had an orange. To me, that is learning to have a healthy relationship with food.
The thing is food restriction is rarely discussed in a "this worked for me kind of way," but more often in an absolute.
For example, I can either say, "Some people deal with binges by restricting a food. Try avoiding cake for a month. See how you feel, physically and mentally, and see how it affects your weight."
Or, I can say, "You shouldn't eat cake. It has sugar, which is toxic and addictive and will make you obese."
HUGE difference. I can support the former, but the latter is just flat out incorrect.
So I guess when I personally have had multiple people, such as doctors, trainers, a therapist, who knows my full history tell me in similar words "You shouldn't eat cake. It has sugar, which is toxic and addictive and will make you obese." I should tell them they are all wrong? Because I'm going to go with the former.
Now, if you saying that perhaps posters should put a little more explanation then just making one or the other statement, I completely agree.
Yes, always listen to them, because doctors and therapists can never, ever be wrong about anything ever.0 -
Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Now sugar is toxic until you have self control?
Lmao.0 -
Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...0 -
I don't know that I ever watched an entire Dr. Oz, I have no clue who Dr. Mercola is. But we will all have to agree to disagree when it comes to my going with advice of the highly trained experts I have in my world and what works best for ME.0
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I get my plumbing advice from electricians because they both work on houses.0
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What do you believe is the chemical difference in the sugar found in those foods you do eat, versus the sugar found in 'sweet treats?' On a biochemical level, what makes the sugars found in peanut butter acceptable, while the sugars found in - for example - a Hershey's bar are unacceptable for you?Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.0 -
to sugar detox I am a sugar freak no so much sweets but in can goods, lunch meat etc. I use truvia to sweeten coffee and tea I am having a problem with to much sodium my ankles are swollen all the time. but back to you feeling gittery in the morning sounds like low sugar or low thyroid have you had a gloclose test0
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Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...
You're right. Totally what I'm doing. Arguing. Trying to give a different perspective that perhaps everyone doesn't fit into the same mold as everyone else and telling people they should NOT listen to their doctors and other experts in their lives when trying to make changes, they should just listen to internet forums....shame on me....seriously...shame on me for having a different perspective on things.0 -
Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...
You're right. Totally what I'm doing. Arguing. Trying to give a different perspective that perhaps everyone doesn't fit into the same mold as everyone else and telling people they should NOT listen to their doctors and other experts in their lives when trying to make changes, they should just listen to internet forums....shame on me....seriously...shame on me for having a different perspective on things.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield, expert on vaccines cause he's medically trained.0 -
What do you believe is the chemical difference in the sugar found in those foods you do eat, versus the sugar found in 'sweet treats?' On a biochemical level, what makes the sugars found in peanut butter acceptable, while the sugars found in - for example - a Hershey's bar are unacceptable for you?Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Obviously you haven't read older posts in this extremely long thread. I, myself, am not abstaining from sugar. Just certain sugar filled foods like chocolate, ice cream, cookies and cakes, as I try to gain some healthier habits and self control so I don't eat massive amounts of these foods.
EDIT: I don't believe it is a biochemical thing for me so much as an emotional and mental thing. Others, I'm sure are different.0 -
Is it your belief that we should simply nod and 'agree to disagree' when folks insist the world is flat, or claim that the world is run by a secret shadow organization?Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...
You're right. Totally what I'm doing. Arguing. Trying to give a different perspective that perhaps everyone doesn't fit into the same mold as everyone else and telling people they should NOT listen to their doctors and other experts in their lives when trying to make changes, they should just listen to internet forums....shame on me....seriously...shame on me for having a different perspective on things.0 -
Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...
You're right. Totally what I'm doing. Arguing. Trying to give a different perspective that perhaps everyone doesn't fit into the same mold as everyone else and telling people they should NOT listen to their doctors and other experts in their lives when trying to make changes, they should just listen to internet forums....shame on me....seriously...shame on me for having a different perspective on things.
If a doctor told me to detox from sugar, I'd find a different doctor. Seriously, you act like doctors are gods or something. Have you ever sought a second opinion on something because what they said didn't sound right?0 -
Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Now sugar is toxic until you have self control?
Lmao.
Read my post dude...I never said sugar was toxic.0 -
I did read them. I'm not understanding - at all - what you're thinking you'll accomplish by selectively abstaining from specific foods. I'm also not understanding - at all - how your response actually answered the question I put to you; could you clarify?
What do you believe is the chemical difference in the sugar found in those foods you do eat, versus the sugar found in 'sweet treats?' On a biochemical level, what makes the sugars found in peanut butter acceptable, while the sugars found in - for example - a Hershey's bar are unacceptable for you?Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Obviously you haven't read older posts in this extremely long thread. I, myself, am not abstaining from sugar. Just certain sugar filled foods like chocolate, ice cream, cookies and cakes, as I try to gain some healthier habits and self control so I don't eat massive amounts of these foods.
EDIT: I don't believe it is a biochemical thing for me so much as an emotional and mental thing. Others, I'm sure are different.0 -
Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...
You're right. Totally what I'm doing. Arguing. Trying to give a different perspective that perhaps everyone doesn't fit into the same mold as everyone else and telling people they should NOT listen to their doctors and other experts in their lives when trying to make changes, they should just listen to internet forums....shame on me....seriously...shame on me for having a different perspective on things.
If a doctor told me to detox from sugar, I'd find a different doctor. Seriously, you act like doctors are gods or something. Have you ever sought a second opinion on something because what they said didn't sound right?
Once again, I was quoting that directly from someone else. I've never had a doctor, or anyone, tell me sugar is a toxin. I've had doctors tell me to refrain from what some of my trigger foods are....all containing sugar, with chocolate and caramel, and on and on...0 -
Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...
You're right. Totally what I'm doing. Arguing. Trying to give a different perspective that perhaps everyone doesn't fit into the same mold as everyone else and telling people they should NOT listen to their doctors and other experts in their lives when trying to make changes, they should just listen to internet forums....shame on me....seriously...shame on me for having a different perspective on things.
If a doctor told me to detox from sugar, I'd find a different doctor. Seriously, you act like doctors are gods or something. Have you ever sought a second opinion on something because what they said didn't sound right?
Once again, I was quoting that directly from someone else. I've never had a doctor, or anyone, tell me sugar is a toxin. I've had doctors tell me to refrain from what some of my trigger foods are....all containing sugar, with chocolate and caramel, and on and on...
But you defended that position like it was your words. I guess I just don't understand what you were trying to accomplish by pulling the whole doctor bit.0 -
I did read them. I'm not understanding - at all - what you're thinking you'll accomplish by selectively abstaining from specific foods. I'm also not understanding - at all - how your response actually answered the question I put to you; could you clarify?
What do you believe is the chemical difference in the sugar found in those foods you do eat, versus the sugar found in 'sweet treats?' On a biochemical level, what makes the sugars found in peanut butter acceptable, while the sugars found in - for example - a Hershey's bar are unacceptable for you?Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Obviously you haven't read older posts in this extremely long thread. I, myself, am not abstaining from sugar. Just certain sugar filled foods like chocolate, ice cream, cookies and cakes, as I try to gain some healthier habits and self control so I don't eat massive amounts of these foods.
EDIT: I don't believe it is a biochemical thing for me so much as an emotional and mental thing. Others, I'm sure are different.
I believe I did answer it. I completely understand that sugar is sugar. I get it. But for me, I can have a bag of oranges in my kitchen, eat one, and have no desire to eat the entire bag. However, if I have a bag of candy, I will have one and another and another. Makes total sense to me, to maybe refrain from candy or treats, until I can get a healthy relationship right???0 -
I recently wanted to try this but then I realized there's just too much sugar in the house. I'm thinking about getting the poison skull labels and putting them on EVERYTHING with added sugars, and then gradually replace them with better foods.0
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Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...
You're right. Totally what I'm doing. Arguing. Trying to give a different perspective that perhaps everyone doesn't fit into the same mold as everyone else and telling people they should NOT listen to their doctors and other experts in their lives when trying to make changes, they should just listen to internet forums....shame on me....seriously...shame on me for having a different perspective on things.
Look, you gotta find what works for you and do it. And you've found what works for you. And that's great! Way to go! No sarcasm!
That still doesn't make the sentence "sugar is toxic and addictive and will make you obese" true. I don't care if Jesus came to you in a dream and said it; it's not true.
Inability to control oneself around a food is not the same as addiction. And too much food, not sugar itself, will make you obese.0 -
I know there are some people on MFP that are against cutting out something, but for myself, I have no self control and truly believe in sugar addiction. I love sweets. And I can't eat just one cookie here and there. I want to eat it all. I will skip meals to eat sweets. I would also feel the need to eat sweets daily.
**Let me edit and add: when I say refined sugars I mean desserts, sweets, white sugar in my coffee, cokes, ice creams, etc. A bag of chips can sit in my pantry untouched but a bag of m&ms will be gone in a heartbeat. If I eat one sweet thing, I'll immediately want another.
We are very similar in this regard.
As I've gotten to know so many people on this wonderful site, I've come to learn that there are generally three kinds of people when it comes to the refined, processed, sugary stuff: 1.) Those who don't particularly like it and just ignore it by default; 2.) Those who have eaten too much of it in the past but just need to learn to moderate with it, and when they do they have no trouble keeping it at reasonable levels; 3.) Those who have tried to eat at moderate levels for years but find themselves voraciously attacking an entire bag of m&ms if given the opportunity.
With salty snacks, fried foods, and cheesy stuff I fall into category #2.
With the sweets (and I'd add white bread and pasta), I fall into category #3.
This is a hugely unpopular thing to say on these boards, but the solution I found for MYSELF (and I will quickly qualify this by saying this is not for everyone and is a highly personal choice), was to abstain completely from the sweet foods that triggered *me* into overeating. I'm not talking about all sugar - I still ate fruit, honey, maple syrup, jams, and even a little artificial sweetener in yogurt for example. But I stopped eating cookies, cake, cupcakes, ice cream, chocolate bars, sourdough bread, pasta, and many other foods that I just could not control myself with.
I did this in January of 2012 and I continue to do so. For me, it was probably the single most important thing I did in terms of finally losing my 65 lbs and regaining my sanity. I don't miss it one bit. The only time I feel a little squeeze is during the holidays. But I'd much rather forego some pumpkin pie to keep my inner peace.
I have found that some people get very offended when I tell them I did this. I think they believe that if I would just be "stronger", "not so lazy", "more self controlled", and so forth, then I wouldn't have this problem. I disagree. As someone who is on her 801st day of logging every single bite that goes into her mouth, and built up a running regimen from a couch potato to doing 4 miles at almost 7mph now, I am ANYTHING but lazy and not self-controlled. It was a chemical and emotional issue and I dealt with it the way that worked for me.
I mention this because there may be others who have the same problem as me, and I wanted to share my story in case it inspired them to consider it as well. But again - it is NOT a solution for everyone and shouldn't be taken lightly. It's a big sacrifice.
THIS^^^^ All of it. Unless you are a #3, one simply cannot understand. Thank you for speaking up for us 'lazy' and I'll add, 'weak' folks! :flowerforyou:
You are so welcome! There are a few of us 3's out there... I keep stumbling across them on here, and always feel better I'm not alone!
Definitely not alone... I fall under this category (for me it's more the sweet/salty foods, but occasionally it's the sweets). I appreciate your heartfelt post. I just wish people would understand that there is no one "right way" to diet/lose weight/be healthy. What works for me for me most likely won't work for anyone else on this site. Why? Because everyone is different. People need to read, research, and apply and see what works for them. If it doesn't work, tweak it until it does.
Over the years I've gone from a person that ate crap, but as long as I was within my calorie goal I would lose weight. When that stopped working, I started replacing the crap with healthier foods. Then I added exercise. And in the last year I've made the personal decision to reduce the amount of processed foods I ate. And in the last month, I cut back on the grains and starchy foods. Would I recommend this to everyone? No. This is what has worked and is working for me.0 -
What you are going through is totally normal, and in the end a good thing. Your body is releasing all the toxins that build up from sugar. Once you get past the initial phase you will feel great. I would suggest eating more good fats to help you get through. They will help you feel satiated and easy the shakiness. While you are detoxing you should consider cutting out all fruit as well...any source of fructose, which is really what your body is detoxing from. Once you get through a number of weeks without any fructose you could add some fruit back in. If you have a serious sugar addiction tread lightly, though, and try lower fructose fruites like grapefruits, blueberries and kiwi. Good luck! We could all use a sugar detox and a lifetime of less of it...we're all sweet enough already :flowerforyou:0
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I went to the doctor some time ago. My triglycerides were high. He whipped out his pad and wrote a prescription for some pill. Now, I asked my doctor, who I really like, what about diet and exercise for this? He looked at me like I was a zombie, handed me the script and walked out. I never took the pills and my triglycerides are fine now, controlled with diet and exercise. So, no, if your doctor actually said "sugar is toxic and will make you obese" don't listen to him because common sense says he is wrong, I don't have to.0
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Man, I guess I need to give my entire medical history here huh? I never said myself sugar is a toxin. I took that sentence directly out of someone else's post who I quoted and said that I have had doctors tell me similar information such as it would be good for someone like you, with your history to try and abstain from sugar treats until the time comes you feel you can make healthy decisions.
I myself get sugar. I get it in fruits and veggies and carbs like whole grains and peanut butter. For myself, I'm talking about sweet treats.
Well you're the one wanting to argue about it...
You're right. Totally what I'm doing. Arguing. Trying to give a different perspective that perhaps everyone doesn't fit into the same mold as everyone else and telling people they should NOT listen to their doctors and other experts in their lives when trying to make changes, they should just listen to internet forums....shame on me....seriously...shame on me for having a different perspective on things.
If a doctor told me to detox from sugar, I'd find a different doctor. Seriously, you act like doctors are gods or something. Have you ever sought a second opinion on something because what they said didn't sound right?
Once again, I was quoting that directly from someone else. I've never had a doctor, or anyone, tell me sugar is a toxin. I've had doctors tell me to refrain from what some of my trigger foods are....all containing sugar, with chocolate and caramel, and on and on...
But you defended that position like it was your words. I guess I just don't understand what you were trying to accomplish by pulling the whole doctor bit.
Only that I PERSONALLY think that I will follow doctors advice when it comes to trying different things with myself. That's it. That's all I'm trying to say. And that I think it isn't right to tell people to not listen to their doctors. But that's my opinion.0 -
What you are going through is totally normal, and in the end a good thing. Your body is releasing all the toxins that build up from sugar. Once you get past the initial phase you will feel great. I would suggest eating more good fats to help you get through. They will help you feel satiated and easy the shakiness. While you are detoxing you should consider cutting out all fruit as well...any source of fructose, which is really what your body is detoxing from. Once you get through a number of weeks without any fructose you could add some fruit back in. If you have a serious sugar addiction tread lightly, though, and try lower fructose fruites like grapefruits, blueberries and kiwi. Good luck! We could all use a sugar detox and a lifetime of less of it...we're all sweet enough already :flowerforyou:
Releasing all the toxins?????? What toxins??????? Please name just one toxin?0
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