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My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.
No, the ideal meal would involve pork ribs.
Okay I will admit when I'm beaten.0 -
And this, I think is the big point.If I've covered my bases for my micro nutrients
All of these, including 'clean' eating and so on seem to have the main benefit that you are MORE LIKELY to get appropriate micro nutrients.
Not that you will or you won't - indeed plenty of people seem to end up getting less as they reduce the selection of food they eat and so don't get such a range of them, getting more of a few.
Me, I'd much prefer to be given the facts. I appreciate that many people don't like "complicated" things and do LIKE to be 'sold' a way of life that makes it easy.
A lot of places now go for trans-fat free oils. McDonalds stopped ages ago I believe. Certainly in supermarket stuff they're pretty rare in the UK.
Oh and cheers - photo came out pretty well to be fair, reality probably isn't quite as good - though I meant to take it BETWEEN working out and eating, but I only remembered when I'd devoured most of my first plate of food!0 -
Hi guys! I heard about the Paleo diet a while back because my mother in law has lost a lot of weight and improved her health eating the Paleo/Primal Blueprint. In December I saw that my father in law was ablr to control his diabetes without meds eating Paleo/Blueprint and exercising. He writes down everything he eats and drinks, exersices and blood sugar levels. I saw it with my own eyes it works. He is not overweight!
Anyway I started eating Paleo/Blueprint in January. Overall I feel better. I do sleep better, my acne has become better and I do not get hungry as much. I also do not have bloating or gas anymore and I do not get tired after meals either.
I am supplementing with fish oil, vitamin D3 and magnesium.
I noticed some negative changes as well. One of them is ridges in my nails and I feel like I have some hair loss. Not balled spots but I feel like my hair is slightly thinner. I have been trying to lose weight for a while now but for some reason it is not happening. I consulted a doctor to help me figure out what is going on. I have tried many different things to lose weight. Low fat diet, juice fasting, I had a membership for the gym (which I used for several months) I did the Beachbody workout Insanity for several weeksand followed their nutrition guide and the high calories. I did not lose weight doing this so I restricted my calorie intake with the workout and tried this for several weeks...still no weight loss. I found out I had a very very low Vitamin D level. I started supplementing, my levels are very good now so it can not be the reason for my weight problems. From what I read People lose tons of weight eating Paleo/Blueprint. At first I did not count calories but since I did not lose weight I started tracking my food intake on my fitnesspal. I changed the ratio of fat/carb and carbs to the Paleo guidelines...still no weight loss. 5 weeks ago I started Beachbody T25 eating Paleo/Blueprint and the T25 recommended 1600 calories. It is slowly coming off...or maybe I am just flexuating. It is very frustrating! I got some of my blood work back and my cholesterol level is higher than normal, my glucose is lower than normal......and there are tow other levels which are not normal but I do not remember what thery were one of them is urea something.......I read that it can be normal to have these levels not be in the "normal" range due to the body trying to lose weight. As I understand the body doesnt have to deal with all the carbs therefore it will not convert carbs into fat and will not store fat. It burns your own body fat and you have more colesterol floating around in your blood stream. As you body weight stabilizes your cloesterol levels will get lower as well.
I have been a carb lover all my life and I could not imagine I could live on such little carbs. The truth is it is easier than I thought. My taste buds changed a lot. If I want a treat I allow myself a bowl of berries. Raspberries are my favorite. I whip up some heavy cream and put a tablespoon or two on top and sometimes some mini semi sweet chocolate chips and nuts. Or I have a little all natural chocolate ice cream. Most of my meals are super clean. I am only using good fats to cook like coconut oil or olive oil or butter. No legumens or grains. Every once in a while, maybe once a week I do allow myself a cheat like a hamburger or taccos. I still try to calculate it into my calorie and carb allownace for the day.
I am around 250 lbs with the hight of 5"5. I am 32 year old and a female. I am trying to aim for at 100 grams of Protein and between 50-100g of carbs each day. I am doing T25 5 days a week, at least I am trying.Fitnesspal has been calculating a about 20 lbs weight loss in 5 weeks for many months now.....it is not happening for me.
I am seing a Endocrinologist and nutritionist next months to get some lab work done. I will also see a sleep specialist.
I know this was a long post.....ok here is my thought on Paleo. I think it is bad to eat a lot of carbs due to your body messing with Insulin etc. The whole thought about gluten etc...I am not sure. I have been wondering if our body did not adapt to the modern style of eating. I personally feel like this diet makes me feel better. I stay full much longer. I actually do not feel like I am dieting. Before with low calorie and low carb I was always so hungry. I saw Peoples health improve and I saw people losing lots of weight. Ecen though I am not losing weight I feel that Paleo is a very healthy way of eating. If you think about it mostly everything is from scatch. Preffered is organic and grass fed so you are trying to avoid to feed the body with all sorts of hormones and chemicals. A high protein diet is recommended by almost everybody. Paleo is very similar to Atkins accept that it is natural...what can be wrong about eating healthy foods? The high fat intake obviously does not make people fat!0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
With a side of Spanish rice.0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.
No, the ideal meal would involve pork ribs.
^^ with a side of beans...0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
Too late:
http://www.wikihow.com/Live-up-to-30%-Longer-on-the-Viking-Diet-(Scandinavian-Nordic)0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
Too late:
http://www.wikihow.com/Live-up-to-30%-Longer-on-the-Viking-Diet-(Scandinavian-Nordic)
:laugh: oh the gimmicks will never end..........
but I think that diet is probably based on actual historical evidence. not that i know enough about viking history to say for sure. all i know is that they hunted wild boar sometimes and also farmed. A bit like Asterix.0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
Too late:
http://www.wikihow.com/Live-up-to-30%-Longer-on-the-Viking-Diet-(Scandinavian-Nordic)
:laugh: oh the gimmicks will never end..........
but I think that diet is probably based on actual historical evidence. not that i know enough about viking history to say for sure. all i know is that they hunted wild boar sometimes and also farmed. A bit like Asterix.
Ok, then they get a pass, I guess. I didn't read it, just found it on a Google search. :laugh:0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
Too late:
http://www.wikihow.com/Live-up-to-30%-Longer-on-the-Viking-Diet-(Scandinavian-Nordic)
:laugh: oh the gimmicks will never end..........
but I think that diet is probably based on actual historical evidence. not that i know enough about viking history to say for sure. all i know is that they hunted wild boar sometimes and also farmed. A bit like Asterix.
No I probably think on some parallel forum there's a Viking historian moaning about the fact that a diet had taken its name from a historical period and the content of the diet is factually incorrect.
They probably have been asked about the paleo diet and have responded that they don't know much about that period but it's diet is probably based on actual historical evidence - unlike the Valhalla diet.0 -
Hi guys! I heard about the Paleo diet a while back because my mother in law has lost a lot of weight and improved her health eating the Paleo/Primal Blueprint. In December I saw that my father in law was ablr to control his diabetes without meds eating Paleo/Blueprint and exercising. He writes down everything he eats and drinks, exersices and blood sugar levels. I saw it with my own eyes it works. He is not overweight!
Anyway I started eating Paleo/Blueprint in January. Overall I feel better. I do sleep better, my acne has become better and I do not get hungry as much. I also do not have bloating or gas anymore and I do not get tired after meals either.
I am supplementing with fish oil, vitamin D3 and magnesium.
I noticed some negative changes as well. One of them is ridges in my nails and I feel like I have some hair loss. Not balled spots but I feel like my hair is slightly thinner. I have been trying to lose weight for a while now but for some reason it is not happening. I consulted a doctor to help me figure out what is going on. I have tried many different things to lose weight. Low fat diet, juice fasting, I had a membership for the gym (which I used for several months) I did the Beachbody workout Insanity for several weeksand followed their nutrition guide and the high calories. I did not lose weight doing this so I restricted my calorie intake with the workout and tried this for several weeks...still no weight loss. I found out I had a very very low Vitamin D level. I started supplementing, my levels are very good now so it can not be the reason for my weight problems. From what I read People lose tons of weight eating Paleo/Blueprint. At first I did not count calories but since I did not lose weight I started tracking my food intake on my fitnesspal. I changed the ratio of fat/carb and carbs to the Paleo guidelines...still no weight loss. 5 weeks ago I started Beachbody T25 eating Paleo/Blueprint and the T25 recommended 1600 calories. It is slowly coming off...or maybe I am just flexuating. It is very frustrating! I got some of my blood work back and my cholesterol level is higher than normal, my glucose is lower than normal......and there are tow other levels which are not normal but I do not remember what thery were one of them is urea something.......I read that it can be normal to have these levels not be in the "normal" range due to the body trying to lose weight. As I understand the body doesnt have to deal with all the carbs therefore it will not convert carbs into fat and will not store fat. It burns your own body fat and you have more colesterol floating around in your blood stream. As you body weight stabilizes your cloesterol levels will get lower as well.
I have been a carb lover all my life and I could not imagine I could live on such little carbs. The truth is it is easier than I thought. My taste buds changed a lot. If I want a treat I allow myself a bowl of berries. Raspberries are my favorite. I whip up some heavy cream and put a tablespoon or two on top and sometimes some mini semi sweet chocolate chips and nuts. Or I have a little all natural chocolate ice cream. Most of my meals are super clean. I am only using good fats to cook like coconut oil or olive oil or butter. No legumens or grains. Every once in a while, maybe once a week I do allow myself a cheat like a hamburger or taccos. I still try to calculate it into my calorie and carb allownace for the day.
I am around 250 lbs with the hight of 5"5. I am 32 year old and a female. I am trying to aim for at 100 grams of Protein and between 50-100g of carbs each day. I am doing T25 5 days a week, at least I am trying.Fitnesspal has been calculating a about 20 lbs weight loss in 5 weeks for many months now.....it is not happening for me.
I am seing a Endocrinologist and nutritionist next months to get some lab work done. I will also see a sleep specialist.
I know this was a long post.....ok here is my thought on Paleo. I think it is bad to eat a lot of carbs due to your body messing with Insulin etc. The whole thought about gluten etc...I am not sure. I have been wondering if our body did not adapt to the modern style of eating. I personally feel like this diet makes me feel better. I stay full much longer. I actually do not feel like I am dieting. Before with low calorie and low carb I was always so hungry. I saw Peoples health improve and I saw people losing lots of weight. Ecen though I am not losing weight I feel that Paleo is a very healthy way of eating. If you think about it mostly everything is from scatch. Preffered is organic and grass fed so you are trying to avoid to feed the body with all sorts of hormones and chemicals. A high protein diet is recommended by almost everybody. Paleo is very similar to Atkins accept that it is natural...what can be wrong about eating healthy foods? The high fat intake obviously does not make people fat!
Paleo is not the only way to control diabetes with diet, I eat 50% carbs daily and have my diabetes completely under control without medication. I may be wrong but if I understand paleo correctly you should just eat until satisfied and not track calories, I am curious if you weight all the food you eat and accurately estimate the calories burned from working out. Weight loss is simply move more eat less, calories in/calories out. If you are working as hard as you say you are then the math is wrong somewhere, eating more than you think it likely the issue.
My thoughts on Paleo - I have read that it does well for endurance athletes as well as people with gluten sensitivity, I tried it for three weeks a few months ago and couldn't give up my oatmeal, and didn't see a reason to give up something I enjoy eating for the sake of following a plan that I really didn't need to follow. If people like to follow the plan, all the power to them but carbs are a much needed source of energy that I am not willing to go without.0 -
I don't think I got stuck on the name Palaeo, I got stuck on the idea that you can't eat something because - because why exactly? Because it's not natural? Because you didn't pluck it from the ground slash grocery store and process it yourself?
Firstly, carbs have always, and will always, be a thing that people eat. Have you seen the teeth on cavemen? Meat, veggies and an absence of Colgate alone don't cause cavities THAT bad. And you can mill your own flour at home. All you need is wheat and two stones. Wheat wasn't invented by a pharmaceutical company in 10,000 BC. So I already eat like a caveman - opportunistically, ritualistically, and at my leisure.
I've read this whole thread so far, and beyond medical reasons (intolerances, etc), I have yet to see a convincing reason that certain foods should be eliminated from our diet. Plus my whole thing about believing modern food is fine and how we are all, as a predominantly western, internet-connected group of people, are more likely to die of old age than a bread or cake related incident.0 -
Indeed.
An interesting one, maybe more on the 'clean eaters', but possibly paleo too...
I buy a Cottage Pie ready meal from the budget range at the local supermarket.
Is this 'Paleo'? I doubt many would include it so.
I go to the kitchen and make some boiled potatoes and beef, a few herb and spices; grav.y from the meat.
Pretty sure that's paleo?
Now, I mash the potatoes and mince the beef first.
Still paleo?
What if my girlfriend makes it and leaves it for me to heat up and eat the next day.
Still paleo?
What if it was made by someone I didn't know for me to heat up and eat the next day?
Of course, we're right back at the start, because the budget 'processed ready meal' is advertised as "being made from kitchen cupboard ingredients'.
Yet for many, this final step seems to mean it's automatically terrible for you, even if it were exactly the same thing.0 -
Indeed.
An interesting one, maybe more on the 'clean eaters', but possibly paleo too...
I buy a Cottage Pie ready meal from the budget range at the local supermarket.
Is this 'Paleo'? I doubt many would include it so.
I go to the kitchen and make some boiled potatoes and beef, a few herb and spices; grav.y from the meat.
Pretty sure that's paleo?
Now, I mash the potatoes and mince the beef first.
Still paleo?
What if my girlfriend makes it and leaves it for me to heat up and eat the next day.
Still paleo?
What if it was made by someone I didn't know for me to heat up and eat the next day?
Of course, we're right back at the start, because the budget 'processed ready meal' is advertised as "being made from kitchen cupboard ingredients'.
Yet for many, this final step seems to mean it's automatically terrible for you, even if it were exactly the same thing.
You're clearly stressing too much about what people eating paleo consider acceptable or not.
I doubt most people eating the diet strictly would have cottage pie!0 -
Not sure how you got signs of 'stress' from that.
"Amused" and "avoiding doing useful work by posting on mfp" would be more accurate conclusions
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Of course, I'm questioning the arbitrary nature of the whole thing; segmenting food in to 'good' and 'bad' groups.
Unless of course said people do believe taking a fork to mash the potatoes and a grinder for the meat would change it significantly as far as nutrition goes.0 -
Not sure how you got signs of 'stress' from that.
"Amused" and "avoiding doing useful work by posting on mfp" would be more accurate conclusions.
Of course, I'm questioning the arbitrary nature of the whole thing; segmenting food in to 'good' and 'bad' groups.
Unless of course said people do believe taking a fork to mash the potatoes and a grinder for the meat would change it significantly as far as nutrition goes.
Not sure that anyone would believe that mashing potato will change its nutrient value.
In regards to things being good and bad, I thing people use these terms to categorise things that fit into their diet and things that don't.
It doesn't necessarily mean the things they are avoiding are actual bad for everyone.
I suppose it's like TV programmes, I would say that Eastenders is bad TV and 8 out of 10 cats is good TV.0 -
And I would expect you use that to decide on what you watch.I suppose it's like TV programmes, I would say that Eastenders is bad TV and 8 out of 10 cats is good TV.
In the same way, I don't see any logical reasons to exclude foods from your 'diet' unless you believe them to be 'bad'.0 -
And I would expect you use that to decide on what you watch.I suppose it's like TV programmes, I would say that Eastenders is bad TV and 8 out of 10 cats is good TV.
In the same way, I don't see any logical reasons to exclude foods from your 'diet' unless you believe them to be 'bad'.
For me I suppose bad (if I used the term) = less beneficial (in taste and nutrient per calorie).
As we all have different tastes and needs that would sit well with some and not for others.0 -
Of course, I believe you've suggested elsewhere that you do appreciate you don't need ALL food to be nutrient dense, merely enough to fulfil your nutrient requirements.
Which brings us back to "there is no bad food" - just a case of making it fit within an overall plan to meet objectives
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I don't think I got stuck on the name Palaeo, I got stuck on the idea that you can't eat something because - because why exactly? Because it's not natural? Because you didn't pluck it from the ground slash grocery store and process it yourself?
Firstly, carbs have always, and will always, be a thing that people eat. Have you seen the teeth on cavemen? Meat, veggies and an absence of Colgate alone don't cause cavities THAT bad. And you can mill your own flour at home. All you need is wheat and two stones. Wheat wasn't invented by a pharmaceutical company in 10,000 BC. So I already eat like a caveman - opportunistically, ritualistically, and at my leisure.
I've read this whole thread so far, and beyond medical reasons (intolerances, etc), I have yet to see a convincing reason that certain foods should be eliminated from our diet. Plus my whole thing about believing modern food is fine and how we are all, as a predominantly western, internet-connected group of people, are more likely to die of old age than a bread or cake related incident.
palaeolithic people's teeth were not that bad. A dental abscess can be fatal without medical intervention, should the infection spread beyond the infected tooth/root, so would represent a serious threat to survival. They probably didn't mill flour - that's more neolithic and neolithic people's teeth were in a worse state than palaeolithic peoples' although the likely culprit wasn't so much flour, it was the narrow range of the diet... palaeolithic people ate a little of whatever they could get when it was in season (including wild grains and legumes), while neolithic people relied on large quantities of dietary staples that came from their crops, so had a narrower diet and were more at risk of vitamin and mineral deficiency, which likely led to weaker bones and teeth.
anyway, I don't eat paleo (honey with bee larvae still in it isn't my thing), I just like to try to insert a little bit of science into these threads here and there :laugh:0 -
Of course, I believe you've suggested elsewhere that you do appreciate you don't need ALL food to be nutrient dense, merely enough to fulfil your nutrient requirements.
Which brings us back to "there is no bad food" - just a case of making it fit within an overall plan to meet objectives.
Agreed, but I think my point was that for some people certain foods are less attractive than others and that they refer to these ( rightly, or wrongly) as bad food.
Some people refer to broad beans as good food, I don't care what plant/universe their from they're just plain wrong. I don't even refer to broad beans as a food.0
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