Paleo.

Strokingdiction

Bacon is more than just butchering it from the whole animal. Bacon, almost exclusively, is a cured meat. A large slab of meat is cut from the belly, sides or back (usually the belly) and then dry cured. It's process of rubbing the bacon with spices and then letting it refrigerate for a couple of days. A follow up smoking the now cured meat is another common process in a lot of bacon making.

Technically, bacon is always smoked. Cured, but not smoked, pork belly is panchetta.

I always thought of panchetta as a subset of the larger classification that is bacon.

"All panchetta is bacon but not all bacon is panchetta" type of idea. The same way Canadian bacon comes from the back of the pig but is still bacon.

/shrug

I'm no culinary expert but that's just what I've always thought. I think we're just spitting hares now.

parkscs

I can only conclude that I want a diet coke and bacon for dinner.

tigersword

Bacon is more than just butchering it from the whole animal. Bacon, almost exclusively, is a cured meat. A large slab of meat is cut from the belly, sides or back (usually the belly) and then dry cured. It's process of rubbing the bacon with spices and then letting it refrigerate for a couple of days. A follow up smoking the now cured meat is another common process in a lot of bacon making.

Technically, bacon is always smoked. Cured, but not smoked, pork belly is panchetta.

I always thought of panchetta as a subset of the larger classification that is bacon.

"All panchetta is bacon but not all bacon is panchetta" type of idea. The same way Canadian bacon comes from the back of the pig but is still bacon.

/shrug

I'm no culinary expert but that's just what I've always thought. I think we're just spitting hares now.

True, not all bacon is smoked. Not all bacon is cured, either, but we generally just call uncured bacon "pork belly" to differentiate.

Also, paleo means no Reubens, because paleo means no Swiss cheese or Russian dressing... Not sure if corned beef would be allowed, since corned beef is corned with saltpeter.

Also, since we're talking bacon, pastrami is actually smoked corned beef. It's beef bacon!

Strokingdiction

Bacon is more than just butchering it from the whole animal. Bacon, almost exclusively, is a cured meat. A large slab of meat is cut from the belly, sides or back (usually the belly) and then dry cured. It's process of rubbing the bacon with spices and then letting it refrigerate for a couple of days. A follow up smoking the now cured meat is another common process in a lot of bacon making.

Technically, bacon is always smoked. Cured, but not smoked, pork belly is panchetta.

I always thought of panchetta as a subset of the larger classification that is bacon.

"All panchetta is bacon but not all bacon is panchetta" type of idea. The same way Canadian bacon comes from the back of the pig but is still bacon.

/shrug

I'm no culinary expert but that's just what I've always thought. I think we're just spitting hares now.

True, not all bacon is smoked. Not all bacon is cured, either, but we generally just call uncured bacon "pork belly" to differentiate.

Also, paleo means no Reubens, because paleo means no Swiss cheese or Russian dressing... Not sure if corned beef would be allowed, since corned beef is corned with saltpeter.

Also, since we're talking bacon, pastrami is actually smoked corned beef. It's beef bacon!

I'm with you on the bacon definitions.

And now I'm putting pastrami on my phone's shopping list right after right I press 'post reply".

bcattoes

Bacon is more than just butchering it from the whole animal. Bacon, almost exclusively, is a cured meat. A large slab of meat is cut from the belly, sides or back (usually the belly) and then dry cured. It's process of rubbing the bacon with spices and then letting it refrigerate for a couple of days. A follow up smoking the now cured meat is another common process in a lot of bacon making.

Technically, bacon is always smoked. Cured, but not smoked, pork belly is panchetta.

I always thought of panchetta as a subset of the larger classification that is bacon.

"All panchetta is bacon but not all bacon is panchetta" type of idea. The same way Canadian bacon comes from the back of the pig but is still bacon.

/shrug

I'm no culinary expert but that's just what I've always thought. I think we're just spitting hares now.

True, not all bacon is smoked. Not all bacon is cured, either, but we generally just call uncured bacon "pork belly" to differentiate.

Also, paleo means no Reubens, because paleo means no Swiss cheese or Russian dressing... Not sure if corned beef would be allowed, since corned beef is corned with saltpeter.

Also, since we're talking bacon, pastrami is actually smoked corned beef. It's beef bacon!

I'm with you on the bacon definitions.

And now I'm putting pastrami on my phone's shopping list right after right I press 'post reply".

Every dictionary I've ever seen defines bacon as smoked, cured, pig.

WendyTerry420

I'm just trying to understand your train of thought. I've made my own cola and my own root beer. It's easy and fun. We did it back when we were homeschooling. It was part of our Colonial America unit. I've never made my own bacon, but it sounds harder to me, based on the number of steps and length of time. But it sounds like you have an entirely different basis, which is fine.

When you made it, were you making it by combining purchased already-processed ingredients or did you start with the basics like non-carbonated water, sugar, etc.? I'd be pretty surprised (and impressed) if the latter. On the other hand, a brining mixture, a cut of pork belly and some smoke is much simpler and closer to the natural sources in my mind. That said, it's probably an unfair comparison, because I'm sure there's a more natural version of cola than diet coke that one could make and I'm positive there are bacon products out there with additives/preservatives/etc. that aren't simply brined and smoked.

And, by sugar, you mean honey, I suppose. Because what other non-processed sugar is there? And these spices, they are all in there natural state as berries, leaves, and such? Or they are dried and ground by man?

And where in the heck do I find apple cider vinegar in the wild?

And even "raw, organic" honey needs to be processed, at least somewhat.

You can't just eat it right out of the hive?

Only if you're a Bee Whisperer

WendyTerry420

1. It I nothing like how actually paleolithic people ate.
2. It is not some magical fat loss solution.
3. too restrictive for me.
4. There are about 1000 different versions of it, which I am still trying to figure out why. If Paleo is so great why not do it 100% of the time.
5. If you want to do it, great. Just realize, the previous four items that I posted still hold true.

I have bacon cooked in butter on whole wheat bread smothered in cheese.
If that's paleo then I am in.

It's not. I don't know how bacon could even be considered Paleo since it is a man-made food.

I'm sure that they had bacon animals back in the day.

but then wouldn't it be processed and bad for you? If you slaughter a pig and make bacon out of it, it is then processed, right?

Ok, so I am late to this party but does this mean no corned beef? No delicious Ruben Sammies? Then I'm out!

But on a serious note: Cutting bacon from the pig means separating it from the source. When will someone define what the heck that means? Is this part of Paleo or vegetarianism? It seems everyone here has their own definition. Maybe I'n not considering Paleo cuz I'm friggin' confused!!!

/rant

There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.

Nuh uh! ...faux food

Only Barbie dolls can eat pretend sammies. :laugh:

Strokingdiction

Bacon is more than just butchering it from the whole animal. Bacon, almost exclusively, is a cured meat. A large slab of meat is cut from the belly, sides or back (usually the belly) and then dry cured. It's process of rubbing the bacon with spices and then letting it refrigerate for a couple of days. A follow up smoking the now cured meat is another common process in a lot of bacon making.

Technically, bacon is always smoked. Cured, but not smoked, pork belly is panchetta.

I always thought of panchetta as a subset of the larger classification that is bacon.

"All panchetta is bacon but not all bacon is panchetta" type of idea. The same way Canadian bacon comes from the back of the pig but is still bacon.

/shrug

I'm no culinary expert but that's just what I've always thought. I think we're just spitting hares now.

True, not all bacon is smoked. Not all bacon is cured, either, but we generally just call uncured bacon "pork belly" to differentiate.

Also, paleo means no Reubens, because paleo means no Swiss cheese or Russian dressing... Not sure if corned beef would be allowed, since corned beef is corned with saltpeter.

Also, since we're talking bacon, pastrami is actually smoked corned beef. It's beef bacon!

I'm with you on the bacon definitions.

And now I'm putting pastrami on my phone's shopping list right after right I press 'post reply".

Every dictionary I've ever seen defines bacon as smoked, cured, pig.

This is the first time I've ever looked it up in the dictionary and I quick used dictionary.com.

ba·con
[bey-kuhn]
noun
1.
the back and sides of the hog, salted and dried or smoked, usually sliced thin and fried for food.

The keyword being 'or' in that definition.

Strokingdiction

I'm just trying to understand your train of thought. I've made my own cola and my own root beer. It's easy and fun. We did it back when we were homeschooling. It was part of our Colonial America unit. I've never made my own bacon, but it sounds harder to me, based on the number of steps and length of time. But it sounds like you have an entirely different basis, which is fine.

When you made it, were you making it by combining purchased already-processed ingredients or did you start with the basics like non-carbonated water, sugar, etc.? I'd be pretty surprised (and impressed) if the latter. On the other hand, a brining mixture, a cut of pork belly and some smoke is much simpler and closer to the natural sources in my mind. That said, it's probably an unfair comparison, because I'm sure there's a more natural version of cola than diet coke that one could make and I'm positive there are bacon products out there with additives/preservatives/etc. that aren't simply brined and smoked.

And, by sugar, you mean honey, I suppose. Because what other non-processed sugar is there? And these spices, they are all in there natural state as berries, leaves, and such? Or they are dried and ground by man?

And where in the heck do I find apple cider vinegar in the wild?

And even "raw, organic" honey needs to be processed, at least somewhat.

You can't just eat it right out of the hive?

Only if you're a Bee Whisperer

YOu only have to smoke them and you can do almost anything to them if you move slowly. I learned this from my summer working for an apiarist and her 300 hives when I was a kid. We only wore hoods and gloves and I was only stung twice. Once from sitting on one getting back in the truck and once because that bee really didn't care about smoke.

Several times I ate honey directly from the hive when some of the combs would break off from the frame or when the bees would go crazy and form some of their combs on the side of the hive that had to be scraped off.

It was delicious.

FXOjafar

There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.

I make "bread" from flax meal. Works a charm

_John_

There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.

I make "bread" from flax meal. Works a charm

but you just processed that...not allowed...

Fullsterkur_woman

I'm just trying to understand your train of thought. I've made my own cola and my own root beer. It's easy and fun. We did it back when we were homeschooling. It was part of our Colonial America unit. I've never made my own bacon, but it sounds harder to me, based on the number of steps and length of time. But it sounds like you have an entirely different basis, which is fine.

When you made it, were you making it by combining purchased already-processed ingredients or did you start with the basics like non-carbonated water, sugar, etc.? I'd be pretty surprised (and impressed) if the latter. On the other hand, a brining mixture, a cut of pork belly and some smoke is much simpler and closer to the natural sources in my mind. That said, it's probably an unfair comparison, because I'm sure there's a more natural version of cola than diet coke that one could make and I'm positive there are bacon products out there with additives/preservatives/etc. that aren't simply brined and smoked.

And, by sugar, you mean honey, I suppose. Because what other non-processed sugar is there? And these spices, they are all in there natural state as berries, leaves, and such? Or they are dried and ground by man?

And where in the heck do I find apple cider vinegar in the wild?

And even "raw, organic" honey needs to be processed, at least somewhat.

You can't just eat it right out of the hive?

Only if you're a Bee Whisperer

Of course you can. I have some sitting in a tub on top of my microwave here at work that's straight outta the hive. And you don't have to eat the larvae. The queen will tend to lay her eggs in a spherical pattern to maximize temperature homeostasis of the brood nest, and the workers will place the pollen and nectar around the perimeter. If you have a queen excluder, the queen won't even be able to get up into the top frames and the workers will use that exclusively for honey storage, leaving you with bee-baby-free sweet goodness!

And you can just eat the comb and all. All-natural, organic food grade wax, the purest there is!

WendyTerry420

I'm just trying to understand your train of thought. I've made my own cola and my own root beer. It's easy and fun. We did it back when we were homeschooling. It was part of our Colonial America unit. I've never made my own bacon, but it sounds harder to me, based on the number of steps and length of time. But it sounds like you have an entirely different basis, which is fine.

When you made it, were you making it by combining purchased already-processed ingredients or did you start with the basics like non-carbonated water, sugar, etc.? I'd be pretty surprised (and impressed) if the latter. On the other hand, a brining mixture, a cut of pork belly and some smoke is much simpler and closer to the natural sources in my mind. That said, it's probably an unfair comparison, because I'm sure there's a more natural version of cola than diet coke that one could make and I'm positive there are bacon products out there with additives/preservatives/etc. that aren't simply brined and smoked.

And, by sugar, you mean honey, I suppose. Because what other non-processed sugar is there? And these spices, they are all in there natural state as berries, leaves, and such? Or they are dried and ground by man?

And where in the heck do I find apple cider vinegar in the wild?

And even "raw, organic" honey needs to be processed, at least somewhat.

You can't just eat it right out of the hive?

Only if you're a Bee Whisperer

YOu only have to smoke them and you can do almost anything to them if you move slowly. I learned this from my summer working for an apiarist and her 300 hives when I was a kid. We only wore hoods and gloves and I was only stung twice. Once from sitting on one getting back in the truck and once because that bee really didn't care about smoke.

Several times I ate honey directly from the hive when some of the combs would break off from the frame or when the bees would go crazy and form some of their combs on the side of the hive that had to be scraped off.

It was delicious.

All I know is which aisle of my grocery store sells it. The brand I buy is harvested locally, but the aisle 4 is all I know. And I like it that way.

WendyTerry420

There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.

I make "bread" from flax meal. Works a charm

It doesn't sound very charming. Pepperidge Farms on the other hand....

Fullsterkur_woman

YOu only have to smoke them and you can do almost anything to them if you move slowly. I learned this from my summer working for an apiarist and her 300 hives when I was a kid. We only wore hoods and gloves and I was only stung twice.

Then you weren't in Texas! :laugh: Our bees, like every other wild thing in Texas, have to be a little bit ornerier to survive the harshness of Texas. Most feral bees here are at least partially Africanized, so they're a little more defensive and cantankerous than the average "sweet" Italian honeybee or other mild-mannered variety.

Jbarbo01

It just depends on the person. More important than anything else is inflammation on a diet. I think if you gain water weight with certain foods, dont eat them. That usually means they dont work well for you. I gain water weight with dairy and wheat like crazy, but not rice or oats. I learned this through trying the paleo diet. So I think giving it a shot is fun and lets you learn which foods work for your body and which dont but some people can tolerate more carbs/grains/legumes than others.

ValeriePlz

I am new to the message boards, but if there is one topic that people could easily search for instead of starting a new thread every time, it's this topic.

tennisdude2004

Giving up legumes is stupid. Better advice is "eat more legumes"

Legumes aren't essential to human health, so giving them up or not giving them up isn't even worth thinking about.

? What do you get from legumes that you cannot get from alternative sources?

What do you get from broccoli that you cannot get from alternative sources? What do you get from coconut oil that you cannot get from alternative sources? What do you get from <insert ANY food here> that you cannot get from alternative sources?

Why would a general recommendation to eat more of something require that it be the only source of something?

Though I would not be surprised if you could not find another single food that contained as good a mix of fiber, protein and micronutrients as some legumes.

Nothing, but I'm not claiming any of the above are essential for human health. At the end of the diet dietary carbs are strictly essential for human health.

tennisdude2004

1. It I nothing like how actually paleolithic people ate.
2. It is not some magical fat loss solution.
3. too restrictive for me.
4. There are about 1000 different versions of it, which I am still trying to figure out why. If Paleo is so great why not do it 100% of the time.
5. If you want to do it, great. Just realize, the previous four items that I posted still hold true.

I have bacon cooked in butter on whole wheat bread smothered in cheese.
If that's paleo then I am in.

It's not. I don't know how bacon could even be considered Paleo since it is a man-made food.

I'm sure that they had bacon animals back in the day.

but then wouldn't it be processed and bad for you? If you slaughter a pig and make bacon out of it, it is then processed, right?

Ok, so I am late to this party but does this mean no corned beef? No delicious Ruben Sammies? Then I'm out!

But on a serious note: Cutting bacon from the pig means separating it from the source. When will someone define what the heck that means? Is this part of Paleo or vegetarianism? It seems everyone here has their own definition. Maybe I'n not considering Paleo cuz I'm friggin' confused!!!

/rant

The palaeolithic era is defined by the use of stone tools, and the earliest stone tools were used to butcher animal carcasses. So cutting bits off the animal you're eating is palaeolithic. Although pig isn't, because like sheep and cows, they're domestic animals which are the result of selective breeding. Wild boar is paleo but pig is not. Cooking meat is middle palaeolithic, as the use of fire is generally considered to be one of the major distinctions between lower and middle palaeolithic culture.

That said, paleo dieters have never let any actual real palaeoanthropology or archaeological evidence influence their decisions thus far about what to allow or disallow on their diet, so I don't expect the above information to have any bearing on anything at all. I don't eat paleo, I just love studying palaeoanthropology.

That's because it's a marketing strategy. It makes it more interesting than saying its a low carb high fat diet. It obviously works because 2013 it was the most googled diet and is the most google diet so far on 2014.

However much you hate the fact the are using the name in vein (in your eyes) kudos to them because someone is making plenty of cash from it!

tennisdude2004

Bacon is more than just butchering it from the whole animal. Bacon, almost exclusively, is a cured meat. A large slab of meat is cut from the belly, sides or back (usually the belly) and then dry cured. It's process of rubbing the bacon with spices and then letting it refrigerate for a couple of days. A follow up smoking the now cured meat is another common process in a lot of bacon making.

Technically, bacon is always smoked. Cured, but not smoked, pork belly is panchetta.

In the uk we get smoked and unsmoked bacon.