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There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.
I make "bread" from flax meal. Works a charm
but you just processed that...not allowed...0 -
Of course you can. I have some sitting in a tub on top of my microwave here at work that's straight outta the hive. And you don't have to eat the larvae. The queen will tend to lay her eggs in a spherical pattern to maximize temperature homeostasis of the brood nest, and the workers will place the pollen and nectar around the perimeter. If you have a queen excluder, the queen won't even be able to get up into the top frames and the workers will use that exclusively for honey storage, leaving you with bee-baby-free sweet goodness!I'm just trying to understand your train of thought. I've made my own cola and my own root beer. It's easy and fun. We did it back when we were homeschooling. It was part of our Colonial America unit. I've never made my own bacon, but it sounds harder to me, based on the number of steps and length of time. But it sounds like you have an entirely different basis, which is fine.
When you made it, were you making it by combining purchased already-processed ingredients or did you start with the basics like non-carbonated water, sugar, etc.? I'd be pretty surprised (and impressed) if the latter. On the other hand, a brining mixture, a cut of pork belly and some smoke is much simpler and closer to the natural sources in my mind. That said, it's probably an unfair comparison, because I'm sure there's a more natural version of cola than diet coke that one could make and I'm positive there are bacon products out there with additives/preservatives/etc. that aren't simply brined and smoked.
And, by sugar, you mean honey, I suppose. Because what other non-processed sugar is there? And these spices, they are all in there natural state as berries, leaves, and such? Or they are dried and ground by man?
And where in the heck do I find apple cider vinegar in the wild?
And even "raw, organic" honey needs to be processed, at least somewhat.
You can't just eat it right out of the hive?
Only if you're a Bee Whisperer
And you can just eat the comb and all. All-natural, organic food grade wax, the purest there is!0 -
I'm just trying to understand your train of thought. I've made my own cola and my own root beer. It's easy and fun. We did it back when we were homeschooling. It was part of our Colonial America unit. I've never made my own bacon, but it sounds harder to me, based on the number of steps and length of time. But it sounds like you have an entirely different basis, which is fine.
When you made it, were you making it by combining purchased already-processed ingredients or did you start with the basics like non-carbonated water, sugar, etc.? I'd be pretty surprised (and impressed) if the latter. On the other hand, a brining mixture, a cut of pork belly and some smoke is much simpler and closer to the natural sources in my mind. That said, it's probably an unfair comparison, because I'm sure there's a more natural version of cola than diet coke that one could make and I'm positive there are bacon products out there with additives/preservatives/etc. that aren't simply brined and smoked.
And, by sugar, you mean honey, I suppose. Because what other non-processed sugar is there? And these spices, they are all in there natural state as berries, leaves, and such? Or they are dried and ground by man?
And where in the heck do I find apple cider vinegar in the wild?
And even "raw, organic" honey needs to be processed, at least somewhat.
You can't just eat it right out of the hive?
Only if you're a Bee Whisperer
YOu only have to smoke them and you can do almost anything to them if you move slowly. I learned this from my summer working for an apiarist and her 300 hives when I was a kid. We only wore hoods and gloves and I was only stung twice. Once from sitting on one getting back in the truck and once because that bee really didn't care about smoke.
Several times I ate honey directly from the hive when some of the combs would break off from the frame or when the bees would go crazy and form some of their combs on the side of the hive that had to be scraped off.
It was delicious.
All I know is which aisle of my grocery store sells it. The brand I buy is harvested locally, but the aisle 4 is all I know. And I like it that way.
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There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.
I make "bread" from flax meal. Works a charm
It doesn't sound very charming. Pepperidge Farms on the other hand....0 -
Then you weren't in Texas! :laugh: Our bees, like every other wild thing in Texas, have to be a little bit ornerier to survive the harshness of Texas. Most feral bees here are at least partially Africanized, so they're a little more defensive and cantankerous than the average "sweet" Italian honeybee or other mild-mannered variety.YOu only have to smoke them and you can do almost anything to them if you move slowly. I learned this from my summer working for an apiarist and her 300 hives when I was a kid. We only wore hoods and gloves and I was only stung twice.0 -
It just depends on the person. More important than anything else is inflammation on a diet. I think if you gain water weight with certain foods, dont eat them. That usually means they dont work well for you. I gain water weight with dairy and wheat like crazy, but not rice or oats. I learned this through trying the paleo diet. So I think giving it a shot is fun and lets you learn which foods work for your body and which dont but some people can tolerate more carbs/grains/legumes than others.0
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I am new to the message boards, but if there is one topic that people could easily search for instead of starting a new thread every time, it's this topic.0
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Giving up legumes is stupid. Better advice is "eat more legumes"
Legumes aren't essential to human health, so giving them up or not giving them up isn't even worth thinking about.
? What do you get from legumes that you cannot get from alternative sources?
What do you get from broccoli that you cannot get from alternative sources? What do you get from coconut oil that you cannot get from alternative sources? What do you get from <insert ANY food here> that you cannot get from alternative sources?
Why would a general recommendation to eat more of something require that it be the only source of something?
Though I would not be surprised if you could not find another single food that contained as good a mix of fiber, protein and micronutrients as some legumes.
Nothing, but I'm not claiming any of the above are essential for human health. At the end of the diet dietary carbs are strictly essential for human health.0 -
but then wouldn't it be processed and bad for you? If you slaughter a pig and make bacon out of it, it is then processed, right?1. It I nothing like how actually paleolithic people ate.
2. It is not some magical fat loss solution.
3. too restrictive for me.
4. There are about 1000 different versions of it, which I am still trying to figure out why. If Paleo is so great why not do it 100% of the time.
5. If you want to do it, great. Just realize, the previous four items that I posted still hold true.
I have bacon cooked in butter on whole wheat bread smothered in cheese.
If that's paleo then I am in.
It's not. I don't know how bacon could even be considered Paleo since it is a man-made food.
I'm sure that they had bacon animals back in the day.
Ok, so I am late to this party but does this mean no corned beef? No delicious Ruben Sammies? Then I'm out!
But on a serious note: Cutting bacon from the pig means separating it from the source. When will someone define what the heck that means? Is this part of Paleo or vegetarianism? It seems everyone here has their own definition. Maybe I'n not considering Paleo cuz I'm friggin' confused!!!
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The palaeolithic era is defined by the use of stone tools, and the earliest stone tools were used to butcher animal carcasses. So cutting bits off the animal you're eating is palaeolithic. Although pig isn't, because like sheep and cows, they're domestic animals which are the result of selective breeding. Wild boar is paleo but pig is not. Cooking meat is middle palaeolithic, as the use of fire is generally considered to be one of the major distinctions between lower and middle palaeolithic culture.
That said, paleo dieters have never let any actual real palaeoanthropology or archaeological evidence influence their decisions thus far about what to allow or disallow on their diet, so I don't expect the above information to have any bearing on anything at all. I don't eat paleo, I just love studying palaeoanthropology.
That's because it's a marketing strategy. It makes it more interesting than saying its a low carb high fat diet. It obviously works because 2013 it was the most googled diet and is the most google diet so far on 2014.
However much you hate the fact the are using the name in vein (in your eyes) kudos to them because someone is making plenty of cash from it!0 -
Bacon is more than just butchering it from the whole animal. Bacon, almost exclusively, is a cured meat. A large slab of meat is cut from the belly, sides or back (usually the belly) and then dry cured. It's process of rubbing the bacon with spices and then letting it refrigerate for a couple of days. A follow up smoking the now cured meat is another common process in a lot of bacon making.
Technically, bacon is always smoked. Cured, but not smoked, pork belly is panchetta.
In the uk we get smoked and unsmoked bacon.0 -
My first post ever on MFP. Thank you all for providing the entertainment for a long, boring afternoon at work. This thread has been a delight.
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Then you weren't in Texas! :laugh: Our bees, like every other wild thing in Texas, have to be a little bit ornerier to survive the harshness of Texas. Most feral bees here are at least partially Africanized, so they're a little more defensive and cantankerous than the average "sweet" Italian honeybee or other mild-mannered variety.You only have to smoke them and you can do almost anything to them if you move slowly. I learned this from my summer working for an apiarist and her 300 hives when I was a kid. We only wore hoods and gloves and I was only stung twice.
It was when I was a kid so the Africanization hadn't made it out of Mexico yet. Though you're right, I wasn't in Texas. I don't think the area I worked has had this problem, too far north for those heat loving, poor honey producing interlopers.
Maybe they didn't sting be because, like them, I am of Italian descent. Gotta stick together!0 -
Thoughts?
It's a diet that restricts certain food groups for no good reason.
Followers often claim that it's a healthier way to eat but I'm not convinced. In fact I think the opposite, but only time will tell.
My computer guy tried to sell it to me the other day. What a funny conversation that was. :laugh: :laugh:0 -
Thoughts?
It's a diet that restricts certain food groups for no good reason.
Followers often claim that it's a healthier way to eat but I'm not convinced. In fact I think the opposite, but only time will tell.
My computer guy tried to sell it to me the other day. What a funny conversation that was. :laugh: :laugh:
Here's the great thing Charlotte, you're an adult and you don't have to buy it.
You can just move on by!
Plus not all followers claim it's healthier for everyone, but I am sure they are convinced it is healthier for them (big difference).
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new to the message boards, but if there is one topic that people could easily searctr instead of starting a new thread every time, it's this topic.
Why should I? I want to know what people think now not yesterday. Also its the discussion not just the contentthat interests me. You don't have to comment if you have an issue with.0 -
My first post ever on MFP. Thank you all for providing the entertainment for a long, boring afternoon at work. This thread has been a delight.
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You are most welcome!0 -
new to the message boards, but if there is one topic that people could easily searctr instead of starting a new thread every time, it's this topic.
Why should I? I want to know what people think now not yesterday. Also its the discussion not just the contentthat interests me. You don't have to comment if you have an issue with.
Each one of these threads get more fun each time. Long may they continue in my opinion.0 -
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Of course you can. I have some sitting in a tub on top of my microwave here at work that's straight outta the hive. And you don't have to eat the larvae. The queen will tend to lay her eggs in a spherical pattern to maximize temperature homeostasis of the brood nest, and the workers will place the pollen and nectar around the perimeter. If you have a queen excluder, the queen won't even be able to get up into the top frames and the workers will use that exclusively for honey storage, leaving you with bee-baby-free sweet goodness!I'm just trying to understand your train of thought. I've made my own cola and my own root beer. It's easy and fun. We did it back when we were homeschooling. It was part of our Colonial America unit. I've never made my own bacon, but it sounds harder to me, based on the number of steps and length of time. But it sounds like you have an entirely different basis, which is fine.
When you made it, were you making it by combining purchased already-processed ingredients or did you start with the basics like non-carbonated water, sugar, etc.? I'd be pretty surprised (and impressed) if the latter. On the other hand, a brining mixture, a cut of pork belly and some smoke is much simpler and closer to the natural sources in my mind. That said, it's probably an unfair comparison, because I'm sure there's a more natural version of cola than diet coke that one could make and I'm positive there are bacon products out there with additives/preservatives/etc. that aren't simply brined and smoked.
And, by sugar, you mean honey, I suppose. Because what other non-processed sugar is there? And these spices, they are all in there natural state as berries, leaves, and such? Or they are dried and ground by man?
And where in the heck do I find apple cider vinegar in the wild?
And even "raw, organic" honey needs to be processed, at least somewhat.
You can't just eat it right out of the hive?
Only if you're a Bee Whisperer
And you can just eat the comb and all. All-natural, organic food grade wax, the purest there is!
Cool. I'll keep getting mine from aisle 4 and let those nice people down in Peculiar, MO, deal with the bees.
http://cooperhoney.com/
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new to the message boards, but if there is one topic that people could easily searctr instead of starting a new thread every time, it's this topic.
Why should I? I want to know what people think now not yesterday. Also its the discussion not just the contentthat interests me. You don't have to comment if you have an issue with.
I doubt a single person on MFP has ever changed their mind in one of these threads. :laugh:0 -
There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.
I make "bread" from flax meal. Works a charm
but you just processed that...not allowed...
^^^This! Seriously decide what is or is not allowed! Maybe you Paleo people should have a meeting to come up with official guidelines.
But more importantly: Your suggestion of "slapping my reuben sammy" on lettuce truly makes me sad
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There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.
I make "bread" from flax meal. Works a charm
but you just processed that...not allowed...
^^^This! Seriously decide what is or is not allowed! Maybe you Paleo people should have a meeting to come up with official guidelines.
But more importantly: Your suggestion of "slapping my reuben sammy" on lettuce truly makes me sad :noway:
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There are no sammies at all on the Paleo Diet because you can't have grains. You can slap meat between two pieces of lettuce and pretend it's a sandwich though.
I make "bread" from flax meal. Works a charm
but you just processed that...not allowed...
^^^This! Seriously decide what is or is not allowed! Maybe you Paleo people should have a meeting to come up with official guidelines.
But more importantly: Your suggestion of "slapping my reuben sammy" on lettuce truly makes me sad :noway:
Sorry but if I invite you, I'd have to share my sammy and that is not happening!
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My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.0
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My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!0 -
Thoughts?
It's a diet that restricts certain food groups for no good reason.
Followers often claim that it's a healthier way to eat but I'm not convinced. In fact I think the opposite, but only time will tell.
My computer guy tried to sell it to me the other day. What a funny conversation that was. :laugh: :laugh:
Here's the great thing Charlotte, you're an adult and you don't have to buy it.
You can just move on by!
Plus not all followers claim it's healthier for everyone, but I am sure they are convinced it is healthier for them (big difference).
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My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
^^ Only if you don't forget the potato with sour cream!0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.0 -
but then wouldn't it be processed and bad for you? If you slaughter a pig and make bacon out of it, it is then processed, right?1. It I nothing like how actually paleolithic people ate.
2. It is not some magical fat loss solution.
3. too restrictive for me.
4. There are about 1000 different versions of it, which I am still trying to figure out why. If Paleo is so great why not do it 100% of the time.
5. If you want to do it, great. Just realize, the previous four items that I posted still hold true.
I have bacon cooked in butter on whole wheat bread smothered in cheese.
If that's paleo then I am in.
It's not. I don't know how bacon could even be considered Paleo since it is a man-made food.
I'm sure that they had bacon animals back in the day.
Ok, so I am late to this party but does this mean no corned beef? No delicious Ruben Sammies? Then I'm out!
But on a serious note: Cutting bacon from the pig means separating it from the source. When will someone define what the heck that means? Is this part of Paleo or vegetarianism? It seems everyone here has their own definition. Maybe I'n not considering Paleo cuz I'm friggin' confused!!!
/rant
The palaeolithic era is defined by the use of stone tools, and the earliest stone tools were used to butcher animal carcasses. So cutting bits off the animal you're eating is palaeolithic. Although pig isn't, because like sheep and cows, they're domestic animals which are the result of selective breeding. Wild boar is paleo but pig is not. Cooking meat is middle palaeolithic, as the use of fire is generally considered to be one of the major distinctions between lower and middle palaeolithic culture.
That said, paleo dieters have never let any actual real palaeoanthropology or archaeological evidence influence their decisions thus far about what to allow or disallow on their diet, so I don't expect the above information to have any bearing on anything at all. I don't eat paleo, I just love studying palaeoanthropology.
That's because it's a marketing strategy. It makes it more interesting than saying its a low carb high fat diet. It obviously works because 2013 it was the most googled diet and is the most google diet so far on 2014.
However much you hate the fact the are using the name in vein (in your eyes) kudos to them because someone is making plenty of cash from it!
you're using the name intravenously? How interesting
do you use a drip feed for that? 
Sorry but marketing something using misleading terms usually gets you in trouble with the trade descriptions act. You're from the UK so you should be familiar with that law, and I expect the USA has a similar law.0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.0
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