Paleo.
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My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
Yay :flowerforyou: :drinker: someone else who likes palaeoanthropology0 -
Thoughts?
It's a diet that restricts certain food groups for no good reason.
Followers often claim that it's a healthier way to eat but I'm not convinced. In fact I think the opposite, but only time will tell.
My computer guy tried to sell it to me the other day. What a funny conversation that was. :laugh: :laugh:
Here's the great thing Charlotte, you're an adult and you don't have to buy it.
You can just move on by!
Plus not all followers claim it's healthier for everyone, but I am sure they are convinced it is healthier for them (big difference).
What the followers claim, doesn't make what the diet itself claims any less ridiculous. The OP asked for opinions on the diet, not on those that chose to follow it.0 -
but then wouldn't it be processed and bad for you? If you slaughter a pig and make bacon out of it, it is then processed, right?1. It I nothing like how actually paleolithic people ate.
2. It is not some magical fat loss solution.
3. too restrictive for me.
4. There are about 1000 different versions of it, which I am still trying to figure out why. If Paleo is so great why not do it 100% of the time.
5. If you want to do it, great. Just realize, the previous four items that I posted still hold true.
I have bacon cooked in butter on whole wheat bread smothered in cheese.
If that's paleo then I am in.
It's not. I don't know how bacon could even be considered Paleo since it is a man-made food.
I'm sure that they had bacon animals back in the day.
Ok, so I am late to this party but does this mean no corned beef? No delicious Ruben Sammies? Then I'm out!
But on a serious note: Cutting bacon from the pig means separating it from the source. When will someone define what the heck that means? Is this part of Paleo or vegetarianism? It seems everyone here has their own definition. Maybe I'n not considering Paleo cuz I'm friggin' confused!!!
/rant
The palaeolithic era is defined by the use of stone tools, and the earliest stone tools were used to butcher animal carcasses. So cutting bits off the animal you're eating is palaeolithic. Although pig isn't, because like sheep and cows, they're domestic animals which are the result of selective breeding. Wild boar is paleo but pig is not. Cooking meat is middle palaeolithic, as the use of fire is generally considered to be one of the major distinctions between lower and middle palaeolithic culture.
That said, paleo dieters have never let any actual real palaeoanthropology or archaeological evidence influence their decisions thus far about what to allow or disallow on their diet, so I don't expect the above information to have any bearing on anything at all. I don't eat paleo, I just love studying palaeoanthropology.
That's because it's a marketing strategy. It makes it more interesting than saying its a low carb high fat diet. It obviously works because 2013 it was the most googled diet and is the most google diet so far on 2014.
However much you hate the fact the are using the name in vein (in your eyes) kudos to them because someone is making plenty of cash from it!
you're using the name intravenously? How interesting
do you use a drip feed for that? 
Sorry but marketing something using misleading terms usually gets you in trouble with the trade descriptions act. You're from the UK so you should be familiar with that law, and I expect the USA has a similar law.
True but anybody with the claim to the name paleo are long gone! Besides if anybody really cared I'm sure it would have been changed by now.0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.
No, the ideal meal would involve pork ribs.0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
Except that bulls are not paleo because they're the product of selective breeding. The aurochs (ancestor of domestic cattle) is paleo, but they're extinct.
It's like the difference between a wolf and a poodle. One is a wild animal the other is the result of a lot of selective breeding.
I don't get why you paleo people make such a big deal over the fact that modern wheat varieties are the result of selective breeding yet you're happy to eat farm animals that have been subject to at least as much selective breeding as wheat has and have completely different macros to their wild counterparts.
Also, you really truly need to stop calling it "paleo" if it's not about "eating like a caveman" because it's nothing like actual palaeolithic diets and "caveman" isn't a scientific term either.0 -
but then wouldn't it be processed and bad for you? If you slaughter a pig and make bacon out of it, it is then processed, right?1. It I nothing like how actually paleolithic people ate.
2. It is not some magical fat loss solution.
3. too restrictive for me.
4. There are about 1000 different versions of it, which I am still trying to figure out why. If Paleo is so great why not do it 100% of the time.
5. If you want to do it, great. Just realize, the previous four items that I posted still hold true.
I have bacon cooked in butter on whole wheat bread smothered in cheese.
If that's paleo then I am in.
It's not. I don't know how bacon could even be considered Paleo since it is a man-made food.
I'm sure that they had bacon animals back in the day.
Ok, so I am late to this party but does this mean no corned beef? No delicious Ruben Sammies? Then I'm out!
But on a serious note: Cutting bacon from the pig means separating it from the source. When will someone define what the heck that means? Is this part of Paleo or vegetarianism? It seems everyone here has their own definition. Maybe I'n not considering Paleo cuz I'm friggin' confused!!!
/rant
The palaeolithic era is defined by the use of stone tools, and the earliest stone tools were used to butcher animal carcasses. So cutting bits off the animal you're eating is palaeolithic. Although pig isn't, because like sheep and cows, they're domestic animals which are the result of selective breeding. Wild boar is paleo but pig is not. Cooking meat is middle palaeolithic, as the use of fire is generally considered to be one of the major distinctions between lower and middle palaeolithic culture.
That said, paleo dieters have never let any actual real palaeoanthropology or archaeological evidence influence their decisions thus far about what to allow or disallow on their diet, so I don't expect the above information to have any bearing on anything at all. I don't eat paleo, I just love studying palaeoanthropology.
That's because it's a marketing strategy. It makes it more interesting than saying its a low carb high fat diet. It obviously works because 2013 it was the most googled diet and is the most google diet so far on 2014.
However much you hate the fact the are using the name in vein (in your eyes) kudos to them because someone is making plenty of cash from it!
you're using the name intravenously? How interesting do you use a drip feed for that?
Sorry but marketing something using misleading terms usually gets you in trouble with the trade descriptions act. You're from the UK so you should be familiar with that law, and I expect the USA has a similar law.
True but anybody with the claim to the name paleo are long gone! Besides if anybody really cared I'm sure it would have been changed by now.
The diet would be subject to an awful lot less ridicule if it wasn't called paleo. If it was called the "allergy/intolerance avoidance diet" it would probably subject to no ridicule at all.0 -
Thoughts?
It's a diet that restricts certain food groups for no good reason.
Followers often claim that it's a healthier way to eat but I'm not convinced. In fact I think the opposite, but only time will tell.
My computer guy tried to sell it to me the other day. What a funny conversation that was. :laugh: :laugh:
Here's the great thing Charlotte, you're an adult and you don't have to buy it.
You can just move on by!
Plus not all followers claim it's healthier for everyone, but I am sure they are convinced it is healthier for them (big difference).
What the followers claim, doesn't make what the diet itself claims any less ridiculous. The OP asked for opinions on the diet, not on those that chose to follow it.
Yes but I shoukd think that most people embarking on the diet will have the intellegence to understand the claims will work for some and not for others - as most things in life.
Plus my suspion is the thread was posted to generate this kind of debate - which is cool.0 -
After two of my sisters got diagnosed with auto immune diseases, my Internist suggested I go to a Paleo diet because he suspected we are prone to food allergies (my daughter has wheat allergies). I have been following the Paleo diet for a month now and I feel great. I'm not tired, my mood has been terrific and I've lost over 20 pounds. I substitute almond and coconut flour in place of wheat flour and you really can't tell the difference. It's not for everyone, just some of us.0
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but then wouldn't it be processed and bad for you? If you slaughter a pig and make bacon out of it, it is then processed, right?1. It I nothing like how actually paleolithic people ate.
2. It is not some magical fat loss solution.
3. too restrictive for me.
4. There are about 1000 different versions of it, which I am still trying to figure out why. If Paleo is so great why not do it 100% of the time.
5. If you want to do it, great. Just realize, the previous four items that I posted still hold true.
I have bacon cooked in butter on whole wheat bread smothered in cheese.
If that's paleo then I am in.
It's not. I don't know how bacon could even be considered Paleo since it is a man-made food.
I'm sure that they had bacon animals back in the day.
Ok, so I am late to this party but does this mean no corned beef? No delicious Ruben Sammies? Then I'm out!
But on a serious note: Cutting bacon from the pig means separating it from the source. When will someone define what the heck that means? Is this part of Paleo or vegetarianism? It seems everyone here has their own definition. Maybe I'n not considering Paleo cuz I'm friggin' confused!!!
/rant
The palaeolithic era is defined by the use of stone tools, and the earliest stone tools were used to butcher animal carcasses. So cutting bits off the animal you're eating is palaeolithic. Although pig isn't, because like sheep and cows, they're domestic animals which are the result of selective breeding. Wild boar is paleo but pig is not. Cooking meat is middle palaeolithic, as the use of fire is generally considered to be one of the major distinctions between lower and middle palaeolithic culture.
That said, paleo dieters have never let any actual real palaeoanthropology or archaeological evidence influence their decisions thus far about what to allow or disallow on their diet, so I don't expect the above information to have any bearing on anything at all. I don't eat paleo, I just love studying palaeoanthropology.
That's because it's a marketing strategy. It makes it more interesting than saying its a low carb high fat diet. It obviously works because 2013 it was the most googled diet and is the most google diet so far on 2014.
However much you hate the fact the are using the name in vein (in your eyes) kudos to them because someone is making plenty of cash from it!
you're using the name intravenously? How interesting do you use a drip feed for that?
Sorry but marketing something using misleading terms usually gets you in trouble with the trade descriptions act. You're from the UK so you should be familiar with that law, and I expect the USA has a similar law.
True but anybody with the claim to the name paleo are long gone! Besides if anybody really cared I'm sure it would have been changed by now.
The diet would be subject to an awful lot less ridicule if it wasn't called paleo. If it was called the "allergy/intolerance avoidance diet" it would probably subject to no ridicule at all.
Lol probably, but where's the fun in that?0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.
No, the ideal meal would involve pork ribs.
I disagree. I think the ideal meal for humans would involve mammoth ribs and whatever root vegetables grew in Pleistocene Europe, i.e. the middle palaeolithic answer to ribs n chips* at least for those of us with some neanderthal ancestry :drinker:
Maybe the idea homo sapiens meal would be hippo and whatever root root vegetables grew in Africa around that time. And fish. I.e. fish, hippo ribs and chips* :drinker:
*french fries on the other side of the pond
ETA: hippos and mammoths are quite closely related to pigs, so I think they'd taste like pork ribs, only much, much, much bigger0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
Except that bulls are not paleo because they're the product of selective breeding. The aurochs (ancestor of domestic cattle) is paleo, but they're extinct.
It's like the difference between a wolf and a poodle. One is a wild animal the other is the result of a lot of selective breeding.
I don't get why you paleo people make such a big deal over the fact that modern wheat varieties are the result of selective breeding yet you're happy to eat farm animals that have been subject to at least as much selective breeding as wheat has and have completely different macros to their wild counterparts.
Also, you really truly need to stop calling it "paleo" if it's not about "eating like a caveman" because it's nothing like actual palaeolithic diets and "caveman" isn't a scientific term either.
Yes but I follow primal, and we dont claim to eat exactly like cave men anymore - you read the blog!0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.
No, the ideal meal would involve pork ribs.
I disagree. I think the ideal meal for humans would involve mammoth ribs and whatever root vegetables grew in Pleistocene Europe, i.e. the middle palaeolithic answer to ribs n chips* at least for those of us with some neanderthal ancestry :drinker:
Maybe the idea homo sapiens meal would be hippo and whatever root root vegetables grew in Africa around that time. And fish. I.e. fish, hippo ribs and chips* :drinker:
*french fries on the other side of the pond
ETA: hippos and mammoths are quite closely related to pigs, so I think they'd taste like pork ribs, only much, much, much bigger
Or maybe it would to eat whatever moved at the time and somethings that didn't - hey that sounds a bit like IIFYM.0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.
No, the ideal meal would involve pork ribs.
I disagree. I think the ideal meal for humans would involve mammoth ribs and whatever root vegetables grew in Pleistocene Europe, i.e. the middle palaeolithic answer to ribs n chips* at least for those of us with some neanderthal ancestry :drinker:
Maybe the idea homo sapiens meal would be hippo and whatever root root vegetables grew in Africa around that time. And fish. I.e. fish, hippo ribs and chips* :drinker:
*french fries on the other side of the pond
ETA: hippos and mammoths are quite closely related to pigs, so I think they'd taste like pork ribs, only much, much, much bigger
Or maybe it would to eat whatever moved at the time and somethings that didn't - hey that sounds a bit like IIFYM.
well there's archaeological evidence of neanderthals eating mammoths and root vegetables, which they are known to have cooked on open fires. So barbequed ribs and chips sounds very paleo to me.
10/10 would eat
ETA: and of Homo sapiens idaltu (i.e. the earliest Homo sapiens people) eating a lot of hippos.0 -
Nice post!My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
So is a fast food burger with a milk shake and dessert from the same joint. Depends what I'm feeling like.A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
What makes a food 'over processed'.
Hell, can any pro-paleoers even define what makes a food 'processed' which still includes the foods they eat?0 -
Too restrictive for me. I think cutting out the added sugar, processed food and eating whole food including whole grains in moderation is a better bet. Unless you have food allergies or celiac disease I think a healthy whold food diet can and should include whole grains...maybe just not so much as we usually eat. However if you can live without grains I think Paleo would be a totally healthy way to go.
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate. You would be following some basic principles to more closely align yourself with thier diet.0 -
This thread again?
LOVE IT!!!! Love that scene!0 -
Nice post!My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
So is a fast food burger with a milk shake and dessert from the same joint. Depends what I'm feeling like.A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
What makes a food 'over processed'.
Hell, can any pro-paleoers even define what makes a food 'processed' which still includes the foods they eat?
With the meat in the burger aside (because I know you like that), for me personally its the nutrients per calorie ratio.
Plus if anything contains too high a volume of trans fats.
If I've covered my bases for my micro nutrients I will have a burger if I really want one. I will steer clear of the fries because I do not like the oil they fry them in.
Like the new profile pic by the way, looking good - more power to your elbow!0 -
Giving up legumes is stupid. Better advice is "eat more legumes"
I am still unsure as to what a legume is
It's a horrible pea like thing!
Lord....it's a bean. a peanut is a bean, a kidney bean is a bean, it's a BEAN!0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
And boy are they getting rich.0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.
No, the ideal meal would involve pork ribs.
Okay I will admit when I'm beaten.0 -
And this, I think is the big point.If I've covered my bases for my micro nutrients
All of these, including 'clean' eating and so on seem to have the main benefit that you are MORE LIKELY to get appropriate micro nutrients.
Not that you will or you won't - indeed plenty of people seem to end up getting less as they reduce the selection of food they eat and so don't get such a range of them, getting more of a few.
Me, I'd much prefer to be given the facts. I appreciate that many people don't like "complicated" things and do LIKE to be 'sold' a way of life that makes it easy.
A lot of places now go for trans-fat free oils. McDonalds stopped ages ago I believe. Certainly in supermarket stuff they're pretty rare in the UK.
Oh and cheers - photo came out pretty well to be fair, reality probably isn't quite as good - though I meant to take it BETWEEN working out and eating, but I only remembered when I'd devoured most of my first plate of food!0 -
Hi guys! I heard about the Paleo diet a while back because my mother in law has lost a lot of weight and improved her health eating the Paleo/Primal Blueprint. In December I saw that my father in law was ablr to control his diabetes without meds eating Paleo/Blueprint and exercising. He writes down everything he eats and drinks, exersices and blood sugar levels. I saw it with my own eyes it works. He is not overweight!
Anyway I started eating Paleo/Blueprint in January. Overall I feel better. I do sleep better, my acne has become better and I do not get hungry as much. I also do not have bloating or gas anymore and I do not get tired after meals either.
I am supplementing with fish oil, vitamin D3 and magnesium.
I noticed some negative changes as well. One of them is ridges in my nails and I feel like I have some hair loss. Not balled spots but I feel like my hair is slightly thinner. I have been trying to lose weight for a while now but for some reason it is not happening. I consulted a doctor to help me figure out what is going on. I have tried many different things to lose weight. Low fat diet, juice fasting, I had a membership for the gym (which I used for several months) I did the Beachbody workout Insanity for several weeksand followed their nutrition guide and the high calories. I did not lose weight doing this so I restricted my calorie intake with the workout and tried this for several weeks...still no weight loss. I found out I had a very very low Vitamin D level. I started supplementing, my levels are very good now so it can not be the reason for my weight problems. From what I read People lose tons of weight eating Paleo/Blueprint. At first I did not count calories but since I did not lose weight I started tracking my food intake on my fitnesspal. I changed the ratio of fat/carb and carbs to the Paleo guidelines...still no weight loss. 5 weeks ago I started Beachbody T25 eating Paleo/Blueprint and the T25 recommended 1600 calories. It is slowly coming off...or maybe I am just flexuating. It is very frustrating! I got some of my blood work back and my cholesterol level is higher than normal, my glucose is lower than normal......and there are tow other levels which are not normal but I do not remember what thery were one of them is urea something.......I read that it can be normal to have these levels not be in the "normal" range due to the body trying to lose weight. As I understand the body doesnt have to deal with all the carbs therefore it will not convert carbs into fat and will not store fat. It burns your own body fat and you have more colesterol floating around in your blood stream. As you body weight stabilizes your cloesterol levels will get lower as well.
I have been a carb lover all my life and I could not imagine I could live on such little carbs. The truth is it is easier than I thought. My taste buds changed a lot. If I want a treat I allow myself a bowl of berries. Raspberries are my favorite. I whip up some heavy cream and put a tablespoon or two on top and sometimes some mini semi sweet chocolate chips and nuts. Or I have a little all natural chocolate ice cream. Most of my meals are super clean. I am only using good fats to cook like coconut oil or olive oil or butter. No legumens or grains. Every once in a while, maybe once a week I do allow myself a cheat like a hamburger or taccos. I still try to calculate it into my calorie and carb allownace for the day.
I am around 250 lbs with the hight of 5"5. I am 32 year old and a female. I am trying to aim for at 100 grams of Protein and between 50-100g of carbs each day. I am doing T25 5 days a week, at least I am trying.Fitnesspal has been calculating a about 20 lbs weight loss in 5 weeks for many months now.....it is not happening for me.
I am seing a Endocrinologist and nutritionist next months to get some lab work done. I will also see a sleep specialist.
I know this was a long post.....ok here is my thought on Paleo. I think it is bad to eat a lot of carbs due to your body messing with Insulin etc. The whole thought about gluten etc...I am not sure. I have been wondering if our body did not adapt to the modern style of eating. I personally feel like this diet makes me feel better. I stay full much longer. I actually do not feel like I am dieting. Before with low calorie and low carb I was always so hungry. I saw Peoples health improve and I saw people losing lots of weight. Ecen though I am not losing weight I feel that Paleo is a very healthy way of eating. If you think about it mostly everything is from scatch. Preffered is organic and grass fed so you are trying to avoid to feed the body with all sorts of hormones and chemicals. A high protein diet is recommended by almost everybody. Paleo is very similar to Atkins accept that it is natural...what can be wrong about eating healthy foods? The high fat intake obviously does not make people fat!0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
With a side of Spanish rice.0 -
My degree is in Biological Anthropology so I've studied my fair share of palaeo anth - enough to know that a diet calling itself Palaeo is automatically, well, coming out of the wrong end of a bull. But aside from what is actually known about the Palaeolithic era, I truly believe that the beauty of Homo sapiens sapiens is our adaptability. I don't think any (anatomically modern or not) human culture has continued doing something that is destroying it for long enough periods of time or we wouldn't be here to argue about it. I don't think our crazy modern diets are all that effed up, I don't believe a mismatch between our 'evolution' and our 'environment' is possible. I do not believe our diets are killing us. I believe we do what we do, and we eat what we eat, and it is our longevity that is killing us.
As far as I understand the main Paleo ethos (I eat strict Keto), it is not about eating like a caveman, it is about avoiding over processed foods and eating as naturally as possible. Cooking meals yourself from raw ingredients and such. There should be no talk of the wrong end of the Bull with Paleo. Every end of the Bull (nose to tail eating) is the correct end to start.
A nice steak with a salad or veggies is a good way to eat!
So is a bean burrito with a salad.
Noooo not beans.
Thick juicy steak withbthe fat on. Buttered carrots buttered mushrooms and sweet potato. Ideal meal.
No, the ideal meal would involve pork ribs.
^^ with a side of beans...0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
Too late:
http://www.wikihow.com/Live-up-to-30%-Longer-on-the-Viking-Diet-(Scandinavian-Nordic)0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
Too late:
http://www.wikihow.com/Live-up-to-30%-Longer-on-the-Viking-Diet-(Scandinavian-Nordic)
:laugh: oh the gimmicks will never end..........
but I think that diet is probably based on actual historical evidence. not that i know enough about viking history to say for sure. all i know is that they hunted wild boar sometimes and also farmed. A bit like Asterix.0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
Too late:
http://www.wikihow.com/Live-up-to-30%-Longer-on-the-Viking-Diet-(Scandinavian-Nordic)
:laugh: oh the gimmicks will never end..........
but I think that diet is probably based on actual historical evidence. not that i know enough about viking history to say for sure. all i know is that they hunted wild boar sometimes and also farmed. A bit like Asterix.
Ok, then they get a pass, I guess. I didn't read it, just found it on a Google search. :laugh:0 -
I also think that people get too caught up in the name "Paleo." It's just a buzzword...of course you wouldn't be eating exactly as pre-historic man ate.
If someone was promoting the "Viking diet" and it bore no resemblence to what vikings actually ate, then people would object to that. So why is it okay to call the diet paleo and then say it's not about trying to eat like palaeolithic people....
seems to me it was made up by internet gurus with no background in palaeoanthropology based on whatever incorrect ideas they had about palaeolithic diets, or whatever they happened to dream up, or even from watching the Flintstones or whatever... they they marketed it.... then everyone who knows anything about palaeoanthropology pointed out that it doesn't bear any resemblence to actual palaeolithic diets, then they did a major backtrack by saying "it's not supposed to imitate the diets of palaeolithic people, it's just some blah blah blah (add excuse/backtrack thing here)" because they don't want people to stop buying their books or visiting their websites. That's what seems to be going on to me.....
Too late:
http://www.wikihow.com/Live-up-to-30%-Longer-on-the-Viking-Diet-(Scandinavian-Nordic)
:laugh: oh the gimmicks will never end..........
but I think that diet is probably based on actual historical evidence. not that i know enough about viking history to say for sure. all i know is that they hunted wild boar sometimes and also farmed. A bit like Asterix.
No I probably think on some parallel forum there's a Viking historian moaning about the fact that a diet had taken its name from a historical period and the content of the diet is factually incorrect.
They probably have been asked about the paleo diet and have responded that they don't know much about that period but it's diet is probably based on actual historical evidence - unlike the Valhalla diet.0 -
Hi guys! I heard about the Paleo diet a while back because my mother in law has lost a lot of weight and improved her health eating the Paleo/Primal Blueprint. In December I saw that my father in law was ablr to control his diabetes without meds eating Paleo/Blueprint and exercising. He writes down everything he eats and drinks, exersices and blood sugar levels. I saw it with my own eyes it works. He is not overweight!
Anyway I started eating Paleo/Blueprint in January. Overall I feel better. I do sleep better, my acne has become better and I do not get hungry as much. I also do not have bloating or gas anymore and I do not get tired after meals either.
I am supplementing with fish oil, vitamin D3 and magnesium.
I noticed some negative changes as well. One of them is ridges in my nails and I feel like I have some hair loss. Not balled spots but I feel like my hair is slightly thinner. I have been trying to lose weight for a while now but for some reason it is not happening. I consulted a doctor to help me figure out what is going on. I have tried many different things to lose weight. Low fat diet, juice fasting, I had a membership for the gym (which I used for several months) I did the Beachbody workout Insanity for several weeksand followed their nutrition guide and the high calories. I did not lose weight doing this so I restricted my calorie intake with the workout and tried this for several weeks...still no weight loss. I found out I had a very very low Vitamin D level. I started supplementing, my levels are very good now so it can not be the reason for my weight problems. From what I read People lose tons of weight eating Paleo/Blueprint. At first I did not count calories but since I did not lose weight I started tracking my food intake on my fitnesspal. I changed the ratio of fat/carb and carbs to the Paleo guidelines...still no weight loss. 5 weeks ago I started Beachbody T25 eating Paleo/Blueprint and the T25 recommended 1600 calories. It is slowly coming off...or maybe I am just flexuating. It is very frustrating! I got some of my blood work back and my cholesterol level is higher than normal, my glucose is lower than normal......and there are tow other levels which are not normal but I do not remember what thery were one of them is urea something.......I read that it can be normal to have these levels not be in the "normal" range due to the body trying to lose weight. As I understand the body doesnt have to deal with all the carbs therefore it will not convert carbs into fat and will not store fat. It burns your own body fat and you have more colesterol floating around in your blood stream. As you body weight stabilizes your cloesterol levels will get lower as well.
I have been a carb lover all my life and I could not imagine I could live on such little carbs. The truth is it is easier than I thought. My taste buds changed a lot. If I want a treat I allow myself a bowl of berries. Raspberries are my favorite. I whip up some heavy cream and put a tablespoon or two on top and sometimes some mini semi sweet chocolate chips and nuts. Or I have a little all natural chocolate ice cream. Most of my meals are super clean. I am only using good fats to cook like coconut oil or olive oil or butter. No legumens or grains. Every once in a while, maybe once a week I do allow myself a cheat like a hamburger or taccos. I still try to calculate it into my calorie and carb allownace for the day.
I am around 250 lbs with the hight of 5"5. I am 32 year old and a female. I am trying to aim for at 100 grams of Protein and between 50-100g of carbs each day. I am doing T25 5 days a week, at least I am trying.Fitnesspal has been calculating a about 20 lbs weight loss in 5 weeks for many months now.....it is not happening for me.
I am seing a Endocrinologist and nutritionist next months to get some lab work done. I will also see a sleep specialist.
I know this was a long post.....ok here is my thought on Paleo. I think it is bad to eat a lot of carbs due to your body messing with Insulin etc. The whole thought about gluten etc...I am not sure. I have been wondering if our body did not adapt to the modern style of eating. I personally feel like this diet makes me feel better. I stay full much longer. I actually do not feel like I am dieting. Before with low calorie and low carb I was always so hungry. I saw Peoples health improve and I saw people losing lots of weight. Ecen though I am not losing weight I feel that Paleo is a very healthy way of eating. If you think about it mostly everything is from scatch. Preffered is organic and grass fed so you are trying to avoid to feed the body with all sorts of hormones and chemicals. A high protein diet is recommended by almost everybody. Paleo is very similar to Atkins accept that it is natural...what can be wrong about eating healthy foods? The high fat intake obviously does not make people fat!
Paleo is not the only way to control diabetes with diet, I eat 50% carbs daily and have my diabetes completely under control without medication. I may be wrong but if I understand paleo correctly you should just eat until satisfied and not track calories, I am curious if you weight all the food you eat and accurately estimate the calories burned from working out. Weight loss is simply move more eat less, calories in/calories out. If you are working as hard as you say you are then the math is wrong somewhere, eating more than you think it likely the issue.
My thoughts on Paleo - I have read that it does well for endurance athletes as well as people with gluten sensitivity, I tried it for three weeks a few months ago and couldn't give up my oatmeal, and didn't see a reason to give up something I enjoy eating for the sake of following a plan that I really didn't need to follow. If people like to follow the plan, all the power to them but carbs are a much needed source of energy that I am not willing to go without.0
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