Sugar and processed food good or bad?
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Do you mean that if one doesn't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations that one is looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources? Or did you mean Lindsey in particular? Because I don't know that you can necessarily make that claim unless you happen to know her background.If you don't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations, you probably wouldn't understand the point she is trying to make. Even with additives, preservatives, processing, and restaurants, the foods can still be a better option. You're looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources.
I don't disagree with your general point, I just wanted to remind people to be careful of their assumptions. Just because someone has advanced degrees doesn't mean they haven't ever had to stand in line for government cheese or habitually eat food out of a garbage truck at some point in their life.
I was speaking to Lindsay in particular, as she only seems to approach the issue from a nutritional standpoint without considering other factors, which someone who doesn't have experience with it would tend to do. She also suggested encouraging people to make better choices when it comes to ingredients, which is a nice idea but disregards the reality of their living situations. It wasn't meant to be an insult, I was simply basing my response on her comments. I would think someone who has experienced this sort of thing would have been able to discern the nuances the issue a bit more, rather than having a laser-like focus on nutrition as the only determining factor of good vs. bad.
I do see what you're saying though, which is why I qualified my statement with "if." I try not to generalize or assume anything about people.
And, I was talking about it from a nutritional perspective because we weren't discussing socioeconomic factors or otherwise. I agree that people make choices taking into account a wide range of factors -- cost, time expenditure, effort expenditure, etc. But, that wasn't the basis for many of the counterarguments until Dame Piglet specifically brought it up -- which I agreed with to some degree.0 -
OK, not everybody finds beekeeping exciting as I do, but still. Wax... processed sugar... seemed on-topic to me.
*yawn*Raw honey comb has wax in it... it's nature's food-grade wax. And it's pretty friggin' awesome.0 -
I can has PhD.
Our lab once did a measurement of aflatoxin in various styles and brands of peanut butter. The rotation student who did the study only used like 2 tbls of each.
After the experiment, I ate all the peanut butters. Jif tastes the best followed by Reese's then one of the natural ones made of Valencia peanuts. Every peanut butter had measurable aflatoxin b1.0 -
Fair enough -- my mistake on the restaurants -- I thought that came up.
And, yes, they aren't inherently worse all the time. But do you really think frozen processed dinners are, as a general rule, on par with home cooked meals? And if the home cooked meals are worse in nutrient level, would you recommend eating processed frozen dinners rather than making changes in the ingredients for the home cooked meals?
Neither is inherently better than the other.
Your repeated attempts to get people to say home cooked meals are better are tiring and silly.
Fine. If you think frozen processed meals are the same as home cooked meals as a general rule, that's your right to do so. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Nice attempt at a cheap rhetorical trick, intentionally misstating your opponent's argument.
I've said all along that there is no general rule.
That's where we disagree as well then. I think there is a general rule and you don't. On that too, we'll have to agree to disagree.
What's the general rule? Be specific.
So I guess there's a general rule, but you don't want to tell us wha tit is?0 -
This is a simple question open to all response:
Do you personally think that added sugar products and processed food are good to eat or bad to eat (in any level).
Thanks.
Yes! there are no bad categories of food but there are plenty of bad foods. Food companies make food (if that is what you want to call some of it) for money... That is there #1 goal to make money.0 -
Still waiting for clarification of 'processed' and of 'added sugar', so we all know exactly what is being discussedAnyway I wasn't actually looking for arguments from this thread but to get a clearer picture of people's view if eating processed or added sugar was okay in their opinion.
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Do you really think there is a big misunderstanding on general principles? Because I see this a lot and there seems to be serious red herrings all over the place.
I think there is, yes. Absolutely.
Where do you think all this "good food/bad food" nonsense comes from? Where do you think this "cheesecake is automatically unhealthy" bs comes from?
It comes from fundamental lack of understanding of the basic principles of human nutrition.0 -
This is a simple question open to all response:
Do you personally think that added sugar products and processed food are good to eat or bad to eat (in any level).
Thanks.
Yes! there are no bad categories of food but there are plenty of bad foods. Food companies make food (if that is what you want to call some of it) for money... That is there #1 goal to make money.
And I go to work to make money.
Have you found that volunteer work pays the bills?0 -
This is a simple question open to all response:
Do you personally think that added sugar products and processed food are good to eat or bad to eat (in any level).
Thanks.
Yes! there are no bad categories of food but there are plenty of bad foods. Food companies make food (if that is what you want to call some of it) for money... That is there #1 goal to make money.
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But... NO! Because... clean!I can has PhD.
Our lab once did a measurement of aflatoxin in various styles and brands of peanut butter. The rotation student who did the study only used like 2 tbls of each.
After the experiment, I ate all the peanut butters. Jif tastes the best followed by Reese's then one of the natural ones made of Valencia peanuts. Every peanut butter had measurable aflatoxin b1.
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Late to the party as usual, lol.
I eat everything in moderation.
In the end we die anyways, why not enjoy life now.0 -
nope, not an outlier.I just believe that you'll get to your nutrient intake with less empty calories and unnecessary, potentially harmfully additives opting for "better ingredients" in home cooked meals than with a bunch of highly processed foods -- at least as a general rule.
Now this all came from the MFP Databases...
Delmonte Canned Green Beans
Calories 20
Sodium 10
Potassium 95
Carbs 4
Fiber 2
Sugars 2
Protein 1
Fresh Green Beans
Calories 17
Sodium 4
Potassium 115
Carbs 4
Fiber 2
Sugar 2
Protein 1
Honestly, not much difference.
But, do most processed foods contain just the fruit/vegetable, salt and water? I think it is likely a significant outlier.
Abstract: The first of a two-part review of the recent and classical literature reveals that loss of nutrients in fresh products during storage and cooking may be more substantial than commonly perceived. Depending on the commodity, freezing and canning processes may preserve nutrient value
Rickman JC, Barrett DM, and Bruhn CM (2007). Nutritional comparison of fresh, frozen and canned fruits and vegetables. Part I. Vitamins C and B and phenolic compounds. Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture, 87, 930-944.
Rickman JC, Barrett DM, and Bruhn CM (2007). Nutritional comparison of fresh, frozen and canned fruits and vegetables. Part II. Vitamin A and carotenoids, vitamin E, minerals and fiber. Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture, 87, 1185-1196.
Agreed. I think people need to do a bit more research about processed foods, particularly fruit and veggies, if they think this is an outlier. I regularly purchase store brand frozen veggies (Wegmans). They have a "rainbow blend" of green beans, red bell peppers, yellow carrots, and orange carrots. The ingredient list per the package: "Green beans, orange carrots, yellow carrots, red bell pepper." That's it. Straight up frozen veggies, no additives or preservatives. Costs $0.99 a package. I couldn't purchase those fresh veggies for that price, nor do they even carry yellow carrots in the store. Takes a few minutes to heat and serve. We rarely eat out, but even cooking at home I don't have time to cut up all those veggies and steam them in the evenings. Removing those extra steps is often the difference between having veggies with dinner or not in our house. So I do agree that canned/frozen foods can be a healthy choice and can also help people enjoy a variety of fruits and veggies they would not otherwise be able to find fresh where they live or even know how to prepare if they did have access to them.
I agree with you on the frozen veggies in particular. Canned I'm not so sure about -- I'd have to look into it more. It was my understanding that a lot of canned veggies and fruits had extra additives and often sugar (especially fruits) -- but I may be very off on this.
But, the original statement went beyond just canned veggies and fruits -- to processed frozen dinners (which I do believe have a lot of additives), processed foods (ditto) and eating at restaurants (additives -- maybe, maybe not depending on where you are -- but often extremely large portions if you find a place that doesn't use the additives) versus just making home-cooked meals with better nutrient values.
Home-cooked does not always mean better nutrient values. That's the point that DamePiglet was trying to make. If you don't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations, you probably wouldn't understand the point she is trying to make. Even with additives, preservatives, processing, and restaurants, the foods can still be a better option. You're looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources.
The populations she is referring to are limited not only by education and finances, but location and living conditions. Not everyone has tons of space to store fresh foods in their home, nor do they live in a place with lots of variety. Canned foods can be stored damn near anywhere in a home and don't need to be eaten right away. They also go on sale and have coupons for them, unlike fresh foods. Telling people to incorporate more fresh foods into their home-cooking is all well and good but if they cannot afford the foods, have no place to put them, and have limited access, it doesn't do them much good. Canned and frozen are better than no fruits and veggies at all.
I live in the wealthiest county in the nation, and I send prepackaged foods into school with my daughter for kids in her class who have either forgotten their snack or who have food insecurity and don't always have a snack to bring. I always send something that has servings of fruits and/or veggies in it. I would hate to think that someone somewhere is getting their back up about me giving kids who would otherwise not have something to eat "bad" foods because simply because it's processed. The issue is not as black and white as people here like to make it out to be.
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Do you mean that if one doesn't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations that one is looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources? Or did you mean Lindsey in particular? Because I don't know that you can necessarily make that claim unless you happen to know her background.If you don't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations, you probably wouldn't understand the point she is trying to make. Even with additives, preservatives, processing, and restaurants, the foods can still be a better option. You're looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources.
I don't disagree with your general point, I just wanted to remind people to be careful of their assumptions. Just because someone has advanced degrees doesn't mean they haven't ever had to stand in line for government cheese or habitually eat food out of a garbage truck at some point in their life.
I was speaking to Lindsay in particular, as she only seems to approach the issue from a nutritional standpoint without considering other factors, which someone who doesn't have experience with it would tend to do. She also suggested encouraging people to make better choices when it comes to ingredients, which is a nice idea but disregards the reality of their living situations. It wasn't meant to be an insult, I was simply basing my response on her comments. I would think someone who has experienced this sort of thing would have been able to discern the nuances the issue a bit more, rather than having a laser-like focus on nutrition as the only determining factor of good vs. bad.
I do see what you're saying though, which is why I qualified my statement with "if." I try not to generalize or assume anything about people.
And, I was talking about it from a nutritional perspective because we weren't discussing socioeconomic factors or otherwise. I agree that people make choices taking into account a wide range of factors -- cost, time expenditure, effort expenditure, etc. But, that wasn't the basis for many of the counterarguments until Dame Piglet specifically brought it up -- which I agreed with to some degree.
Look, I'm not getting into an argument about this tonight. I've just noticed when it's a discussion about whether a calorie is a calorie, you get upset when people do not temper their responses to include medical conditions and other factors that would be incongruent with the generalization that a calorie is a calorie. Yet here in this discussion, you've twice referenced paid food corp reps and questioned the intelligence of those who disagree with you, because you're assuming that everyone is approaching the issue from the same nutritional standpoint and not taking into account that each of our individual experiences and situations will play a role in how we view processed foods.
As Jonnythan said on page 1, no one says that processed foods and whole foods are exactly the same. But it's also not a good/bad dichotomy where whole foods are awesome and processed foods lead to poor nutrition and disease. For some of us, those foods people are preaching against as being bad were (or still are) the best possible choice. I hate threads like this because they serve no real purpose other than being another argument about diet superiority and making people feel like crap for not being able to meet some standard dictated by people who have more options when it comes to food.
If buying canned or frozen veggies gets someone who previously wasn't eating veggies to eat them, then it is a win. If it means a busy single parent will be able to hit the recommended 5 a day, it's a win. If it helps people get variety in their diets, it's a win. As you said earlier, this is a fitness site, and none of the healthy, fit, active people on this site got there overnight. It's a process, and for a lot of people, it's a slow one with a lot of baby steps in making changes. If people don't want to eat a certain food for whatever reason, don't eat it. The sweeping generalizations and good/bad labels are unnecessary, because what may be a bad food choice in your mind could actually be an improvement for someone else in making changes for their health.0 -
Do you mean that if one doesn't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations that one is looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources? Or did you mean Lindsey in particular? Because I don't know that you can necessarily make that claim unless you happen to know her background.If you don't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations, you probably wouldn't understand the point she is trying to make. Even with additives, preservatives, processing, and restaurants, the foods can still be a better option. You're looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources.
I don't disagree with your general point, I just wanted to remind people to be careful of their assumptions. Just because someone has advanced degrees doesn't mean they haven't ever had to stand in line for government cheese or habitually eat food out of a garbage truck at some point in their life.
I was speaking to Lindsay in particular, as she only seems to approach the issue from a nutritional standpoint without considering other factors, which someone who doesn't have experience with it would tend to do. She also suggested encouraging people to make better choices when it comes to ingredients, which is a nice idea but disregards the reality of their living situations. It wasn't meant to be an insult, I was simply basing my response on her comments. I would think someone who has experienced this sort of thing would have been able to discern the nuances the issue a bit more, rather than having a laser-like focus on nutrition as the only determining factor of good vs. bad.
I do see what you're saying though, which is why I qualified my statement with "if." I try not to generalize or assume anything about people.
And, I was talking about it from a nutritional perspective because we weren't discussing socioeconomic factors or otherwise. I agree that people make choices taking into account a wide range of factors -- cost, time expenditure, effort expenditure, etc. But, that wasn't the basis for many of the counterarguments until Dame Piglet specifically brought it up -- which I agreed with to some degree.
Look, I'm not getting into an argument about this tonight. I've just noticed when it's a discussion about whether a calorie is a calorie, you get upset when people do not temper their responses to include medical conditions and other factors that would be incongruent with the generalization that a calorie is a calorie. Yet here in this discussion, you've twice referenced paid food corp reps and questioned the intelligence of those who disagree with you, because you're assuming that everyone is approaching the issue from the same nutritional standpoint and not taking into account that each of our individual experiences and situations will play a role in how we view processed foods.
As Jonnythan said on page 1, no one says that processed foods and whole foods are exactly the same. But it's also not a good/bad dichotomy where whole foods are awesome and processed foods lead to poor nutrition and disease. For some of us, those foods people are preaching against as being bad were (or still are) the best possible choice. I hate threads like this because they serve no real purpose other than being another argument about diet superiority and making people feel like crap for not being able to meet some standard dictated by people who have more options when it comes to food.
If buying canned or frozen veggies gets someone who previously wasn't eating veggies to eat them, then it is a win. If it means a busy single parent will be able to hit the recommended 5 a day, it's a win. If it helps people get variety in their diets, it's a win. As you said earlier, this is a fitness site, and none of the healthy, fit, active people on this site got there overnight. It's a process, and for a lot of people, it's a slow one with a lot of baby steps in making changes. If people don't want to eat a certain food for whatever reason, don't eat it. The sweeping generalizations and good/bad labels are unnecessary, because what may be a bad food choice in your mind could actually be an improvement for someone else in making changes for their health.
You get this, too.
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Do you mean that if one doesn't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations that one is looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources? Or did you mean Lindsey in particular? Because I don't know that you can necessarily make that claim unless you happen to know her background.If you don't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations, you probably wouldn't understand the point she is trying to make. Even with additives, preservatives, processing, and restaurants, the foods can still be a better option. You're looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources.
I don't disagree with your general point, I just wanted to remind people to be careful of their assumptions. Just because someone has advanced degrees doesn't mean they haven't ever had to stand in line for government cheese or habitually eat food out of a garbage truck at some point in their life.
I was speaking to Lindsay in particular, as she only seems to approach the issue from a nutritional standpoint without considering other factors, which someone who doesn't have experience with it would tend to do. She also suggested encouraging people to make better choices when it comes to ingredients, which is a nice idea but disregards the reality of their living situations. It wasn't meant to be an insult, I was simply basing my response on her comments. I would think someone who has experienced this sort of thing would have been able to discern the nuances the issue a bit more, rather than having a laser-like focus on nutrition as the only determining factor of good vs. bad.
I do see what you're saying though, which is why I qualified my statement with "if." I try not to generalize or assume anything about people.
And, I was talking about it from a nutritional perspective because we weren't discussing socioeconomic factors or otherwise. I agree that people make choices taking into account a wide range of factors -- cost, time expenditure, effort expenditure, etc. But, that wasn't the basis for many of the counterarguments until Dame Piglet specifically brought it up -- which I agreed with to some degree.
Look, I'm not getting into an argument about this tonight. I've just noticed when it's a discussion about whether a calorie is a calorie, you get upset when people do not temper their responses to include medical conditions and other factors that would be incongruent with the generalization that a calorie is a calorie. Yet here in this discussion, you've twice referenced paid food corp reps and questioned the intelligence of those who disagree with you, because you're assuming that everyone is approaching the issue from the same nutritional standpoint and not taking into account that each of our individual experiences and situations will play a role in how we view processed foods.
As Jonnythan said on page 1, no one says that processed foods and whole foods are exactly the same. But it's also not a good/bad dichotomy where whole foods are awesome and processed foods lead to poor nutrition and disease. For some of us, those foods people are preaching against as being bad were (or still are) the best possible choice. I hate threads like this because they serve no real purpose other than being another argument about diet superiority and making people feel like crap for not being able to meet some standard dictated by people who have more options when it comes to food.
If buying canned or frozen veggies gets someone who previously wasn't eating veggies to eat them, then it is a win. If it means a busy single parent will be able to hit the recommended 5 a day, it's a win. If it helps people get variety in their diets, it's a win. As you said earlier, this is a fitness site, and none of the healthy, fit, active people on this site got there overnight. It's a process, and for a lot of people, it's a slow one with a lot of baby steps in making changes. If people don't want to eat a certain food for whatever reason, don't eat it. The sweeping generalizations and good/bad labels are unnecessary, because what may be a bad food choice in your mind could actually be an improvement for someone else in making changes for their health.
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Seriously OP, you haven't learned this yet?
It came about from another thread. I've found a shocking amount of people, on a fitness website nonetheless, who talk about how everything is fine. It's all the same. There are no differences with processed food, added sugar, chemicals, etc. Just eat in moderation.
Although I agree with the moderation approach as being a good rule of thumb for many, I've been just shocked by some folks that say it's all the same. I'm starting to agree with some other users that such people are not true MFP users, but paid food corp. reps as I can't imagine how such outlandish claims otherwise make any sense.
Yep, just got my check from General Mills today. The check from Frito-lays comes on the 1st of the month. BTW, I'm trying to get on with Coca-Cola - I hear they pay the big bucks.
you got your checks already??? Those *kitten* shorted me again!0 -
Seriously OP, you haven't learned this yet?
It came about from another thread. I've found a shocking amount of people, on a fitness website nonetheless, who talk about how everything is fine. It's all the same. There are no differences with processed food, added sugar, chemicals, etc. Just eat in moderation.
Although I agree with the moderation approach as being a good rule of thumb for many, I've been just shocked by some folks that say it's all the same. I'm starting to agree with some other users that such people are not true MFP users, but paid food corp. reps as I can't imagine how such outlandish claims otherwise make any sense.
Yep, just got my check from General Mills today. The check from Frito-lays comes on the 1st of the month. BTW, I'm trying to get on with Coca-Cola - I hear they pay the big bucks.
you got your checks already??? Those *kitten* shorted me again!
I just did direct deposit. It's great.
I get paid based on number of posts. For every 100 posts, I get $0. So far I've gotten a total of $0 for 9,900 posts.0 -
Do you mean that if one doesn't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations that one is looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources? Or did you mean Lindsey in particular? Because I don't know that you can necessarily make that claim unless you happen to know her background.If you don't have a lot of experience with food deserts and underserved populations, you probably wouldn't understand the point she is trying to make. Even with additives, preservatives, processing, and restaurants, the foods can still be a better option. You're looking at this from the standpoint of someone who has had lots of advantages in life, including educational and financial resources.
I don't disagree with your general point, I just wanted to remind people to be careful of their assumptions. Just because someone has advanced degrees doesn't mean they haven't ever had to stand in line for government cheese or habitually eat food out of a garbage truck at some point in their life.
I was speaking to Lindsay in particular, as she only seems to approach the issue from a nutritional standpoint without considering other factors, which someone who doesn't have experience with it would tend to do. She also suggested encouraging people to make better choices when it comes to ingredients, which is a nice idea but disregards the reality of their living situations. It wasn't meant to be an insult, I was simply basing my response on her comments. I would think someone who has experienced this sort of thing would have been able to discern the nuances the issue a bit more, rather than having a laser-like focus on nutrition as the only determining factor of good vs. bad.
I do see what you're saying though, which is why I qualified my statement with "if." I try not to generalize or assume anything about people.
And, I was talking about it from a nutritional perspective because we weren't discussing socioeconomic factors or otherwise. I agree that people make choices taking into account a wide range of factors -- cost, time expenditure, effort expenditure, etc. But, that wasn't the basis for many of the counterarguments until Dame Piglet specifically brought it up -- which I agreed with to some degree.
Look, I'm not getting into an argument about this tonight. I've just noticed when it's a discussion about whether a calorie is a calorie, you get upset when people do not temper their responses to include medical conditions and other factors that would be incongruent with the generalization that a calorie is a calorie. Yet here in this discussion, you've twice referenced paid food corp reps and questioned the intelligence of those who disagree with you, because you're assuming that everyone is approaching the issue from the same nutritional standpoint and not taking into account that each of our individual experiences and situations will play a role in how we view processed foods.
As Jonnythan said on page 1, no one says that processed foods and whole foods are exactly the same. But it's also not a good/bad dichotomy where whole foods are awesome and processed foods lead to poor nutrition and disease. For some of us, those foods people are preaching against as being bad were (or still are) the best possible choice. I hate threads like this because they serve no real purpose other than being another argument about diet superiority and making people feel like crap for not being able to meet some standard dictated by people who have more options when it comes to food.
If buying canned or frozen veggies gets someone who previously wasn't eating veggies to eat them, then it is a win. If it means a busy single parent will be able to hit the recommended 5 a day, it's a win. If it helps people get variety in their diets, it's a win. As you said earlier, this is a fitness site, and none of the healthy, fit, active people on this site got there overnight. It's a process, and for a lot of people, it's a slow one with a lot of baby steps in making changes. If people don't want to eat a certain food for whatever reason, don't eat it. The sweeping generalizations and good/bad labels are unnecessary, because what may be a bad food choice in your mind could actually be an improvement for someone else in making changes for their health.
lindz is acting superior to everyone else…never!!!
bahahahahahaha
reading through this thread is like a walk through memory lane…same tired argument from the same person ...0 -
Seriously OP, you haven't learned this yet?
It came about from another thread. I've found a shocking amount of people, on a fitness website nonetheless, who talk about how everything is fine. It's all the same. There are no differences with processed food, added sugar, chemicals, etc. Just eat in moderation.
Although I agree with the moderation approach as being a good rule of thumb for many, I've been just shocked by some folks that say it's all the same. I'm starting to agree with some other users that such people are not true MFP users, but paid food corp. reps as I can't imagine how such outlandish claims otherwise make any sense.
Yep, just got my check from General Mills today. The check from Frito-lays comes on the 1st of the month. BTW, I'm trying to get on with Coca-Cola - I hear they pay the big bucks.
you got your checks already??? Those *kitten* shorted me again!
I just did direct deposit. It's great.
I get paid based on number of posts. For every 100 posts, I get $0. So far I've gotten a total of $0 for 9,900 posts.
whaaaaat ….?????? I am totally getting screwed over…I am calling the VP of Food Propaganda at Coca Cola first thing in the morning….0 -
Seriously OP, you haven't learned this yet?
It came about from another thread. I've found a shocking amount of people, on a fitness website nonetheless, who talk about how everything is fine. It's all the same. There are no differences with processed food, added sugar, chemicals, etc. Just eat in moderation.
Although I agree with the moderation approach as being a good rule of thumb for many, I've been just shocked by some folks that say it's all the same. I'm starting to agree with some other users that such people are not true MFP users, but paid food corp. reps as I can't imagine how such outlandish claims otherwise make any sense.
I don't think anyone at all says that everything is fine or that it's all the same. Literally no one says that.
Are you serious?? People say everything is fine a LOT. They even say that if you don't think everything is fine then you have an unhealthy relationship with food.
I haven't seen anyone say "it's all the same" but I have seen people say sugar and an apple are the same. I once had someone tell me that a McD hamburger was healthy becuase there studies showing carbs, protein and fat were healthy.
People say all kinds of crazy things on these forums.
First yes I pulled this from page 1. The reason was the comment about an Apple vs sugar, this remeinded me of the time my daughter's pediatrician explained to me that for a toddler Apple juice 100% and koolaid were the same nutritionally, he said the only difference was the color additives because nutritionally speaking Apple juice is sugar water, the same as koolaid. When told this I was confused, I never gave my kids anything but juice...never koolaid. So I asked my doctor, she then said that he was right.
Now for the main topic, when it comes to units of energy a calorie is a calorie, calories are units of energy and with regards to weight loss a calorie is a calorie. I have never seen anyone on mfp say all calories are nutritionally equal and Jonnythan is on my fl. Nutrition and the math of energy expenditure are completely different. The key to all of life is moderation, denying oneself simple pleasures sets one up for failure and it actually shows the opposite of will power, real will power would be able to handle moderation. Just for knowledge, I am not a big packaged food eater...but there are no BAD food. I do also believe chemicals and hormones can effect our food, but so can the air I breathe. So once again moderation is the key to everything.0 -
Seriously OP, you haven't learned this yet?
It came about from another thread. I've found a shocking amount of people, on a fitness website nonetheless, who talk about how everything is fine. It's all the same. There are no differences with processed food, added sugar, chemicals, etc. Just eat in moderation.
Although I agree with the moderation approach as being a good rule of thumb for many, I've been just shocked by some folks that say it's all the same. I'm starting to agree with some other users that such people are not true MFP users, but paid food corp. reps as I can't imagine how such outlandish claims otherwise make any sense.
Yep, just got my check from General Mills today. The check from Frito-lays comes on the 1st of the month. BTW, I'm trying to get on with Coca-Cola - I hear they pay the big bucks.
you got your checks already??? Those *kitten* shorted me again!
I just did direct deposit. It's great.
I get paid based on number of posts. For every 100 posts, I get $0. So far I've gotten a total of $0 for 9,900 posts.
I know you guys are lying because Big Foodz Corp only hires soulless narcissists.
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Seriously OP, you haven't learned this yet?
It came about from another thread. I've found a shocking amount of people, on a fitness website nonetheless, who talk about how everything is fine. It's all the same. There are no differences with processed food, added sugar, chemicals, etc. Just eat in moderation.
Although I agree with the moderation approach as being a good rule of thumb for many, I've been just shocked by some folks that say it's all the same. I'm starting to agree with some other users that such people are not true MFP users, but paid food corp. reps as I can't imagine how such outlandish claims otherwise make any sense.
I don't think anyone at all says that everything is fine or that it's all the same. Literally no one says that.
Are you serious?? People say everything is fine a LOT. They even say that if you don't think everything is fine then you have an unhealthy relationship with food.
I haven't seen anyone say "it's all the same" but I have seen people say sugar and an apple are the same. I once had someone tell me that a McD hamburger was healthy becuase there studies showing carbs, protein and fat were healthy.
People say all kinds of crazy things on these forums.
First yes I pulled this from page 1. The reason was the comment about an Apple vs sugar, this remeinded me of the time my daughter's pediatrician explained to me that for a toddler Apple juice 100% and koolaid were the same nutritionally, he said the only difference was the color additives because nutritionally speaking Apple juice is sugar water, the same as koolaid. When told this I was confused, I never gave my kids anything but juice...never koolaid. So I asked my doctor, she then said that he was right.
Now for the main topic, when it comes to units of energy a calorie is a calorie, calories are units of energy and with regards to weight loss a calorie is a calorie. I have never seen anyone on mfp say all calories are nutritionally equal. And Jonnythan on my fl. Nutrition and the math of energy expenditure are completely different. The key to all of life is moderation, denying oneself simple pleasures sets one up for failure and it actually shows the opposite of will power, real will power would be able to handle moderation. Just for knowledge, I am not a big packaged food eater...but there are no BAD food.
Pffffft. Logic. Is that all you got? :laugh:
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Seriously OP, you haven't learned this yet?
It came about from another thread. I've found a shocking amount of people, on a fitness website nonetheless, who talk about how everything is fine. It's all the same. There are no differences with processed food, added sugar, chemicals, etc. Just eat in moderation.
Although I agree with the moderation approach as being a good rule of thumb for many, I've been just shocked by some folks that say it's all the same. I'm starting to agree with some other users that such people are not true MFP users, but paid food corp. reps as I can't imagine how such outlandish claims otherwise make any sense.
Yep, just got my check from General Mills today. The check from Frito-lays comes on the 1st of the month. BTW, I'm trying to get on with Coca-Cola - I hear they pay the big bucks.
you got your checks already??? Those *kitten* shorted me again!
I just did direct deposit. It's great.
I get paid based on number of posts. For every 100 posts, I get $0. So far I've gotten a total of $0 for 9,900 posts.
I know you guys are lying because Big Foodz Corp only hires soulless narcissists.
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Seriously OP, you haven't learned this yet?
It came about from another thread. I've found a shocking amount of people, on a fitness website nonetheless, who talk about how everything is fine. It's all the same. There are no differences with processed food, added sugar, chemicals, etc. Just eat in moderation.
Although I agree with the moderation approach as being a good rule of thumb for many, I've been just shocked by some folks that say it's all the same. I'm starting to agree with some other users that such people are not true MFP users, but paid food corp. reps as I can't imagine how such outlandish claims otherwise make any sense.
Yep, just got my check from General Mills today. The check from Frito-lays comes on the 1st of the month. BTW, I'm trying to get on with Coca-Cola - I hear they pay the big bucks.
you got your checks already??? Those *kitten* shorted me again!
I just did direct deposit. It's great.
I get paid based on number of posts. For every 100 posts, I get $0. So far I've gotten a total of $0 for 9,900 posts.
I know you guys are lying because Big Foodz Corp only hires soulless narcissists.
hey, those are my homies!0 -
oh, and becuae I am late:
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What I find bad is the human propensity for trying to fit all conditions of life in to only two categories. Dichotomies only exist in your head.
And I started with the best of intentions, how the hell did I get dragged in again?!0 -
The less processed foods in your diet, the healthier you will be. Eat your food as close to the way God made it as possible. When food is cut up, nutrients at the surface deteriorate. The more it's processed, the more nutrients you lose, making foods that have been pulverized (like flour and sugar) pretty dead, especially if it's been sitting in a warehouse, a truck and then a store for who knows how long before you actually eat it. To counteract this, companies replace the nutrients that were lost with synthetic versions that your body does not know what to do with because they're not real food.
Sometimes our bodies don't know what to do with "real food".
Like my best friend, for example.
She is trying out "clean eating" and ate I don't know how many raw vegetables yesterday.
Last night, I had a serving of chicken and broccoli Chinese take-out. Followed it up with 1/2 a Ben & Jerry's ice cream bar.
My friend spent the night on the toilet with volcanic diarrhea.
Me? Nope. Not one rumble in my tummy.
But hey, whatever floats your ark.
Well, we'll have to sink that ark...lol.
Your friend did not get diarrhea because she ate raw vegetables, she got diarrhea because she was not used to them. You did not get diarrhea from Chinese take-out and ice cream, because you most likely are ( used to it ).
If I were to eat Chinese take-out from just any place and top it off with an ice cream bar, I would most likely also get diarrhea and indigestion. Not because I think those foods are bad and therefore don't eat them, but because just like your friend is not used to raw veggies, I am not used to food I do not cook myself. You were comparing apples and bananas.....0 -
The less processed foods in your diet, the healthier you will be. Eat your food as close to the way God made it as possible. When food is cut up, nutrients at the surface deteriorate. The more it's processed, the more nutrients you lose, making foods that have been pulverized (like flour and sugar) pretty dead, especially if it's been sitting in a warehouse, a truck and then a store for who knows how long before you actually eat it. To counteract this, companies replace the nutrients that were lost with synthetic versions that your body does not know what to do with because they're not real food.
Sometimes our bodies don't know what to do with "real food".
Like my best friend, for example.
She is trying out "clean eating" and ate I don't know how many raw vegetables yesterday.
Last night, I had a serving of chicken and broccoli Chinese take-out. Followed it up with 1/2 a Ben & Jerry's ice cream bar.
My friend spent the night on the toilet with volcanic diarrhea.
Me? Nope. Not one rumble in my tummy.
But hey, whatever floats your ark.
Well, we'll have to sink that ark...lol.
Your friend did not get diarrhea because she ate raw vegetables, she got diarrhea because she was not used to them. You did not get diarrhea from Chinese take-out and ice cream, because you most likely are ( used to it ).
If I were to eat Chinese take-out from just any place and top it off with an ice cream bar, I would most likely also get diarrhea and indigestion. Not because I think those foods are bad and therefore don't eat them, but because just like your friend is not used to raw veggies, I am not used to food I do not cook myself. You were comparing apples and bananas.....
That was the point. None of this stuff is inherently good and bad, and one person having a bad reaction to a given type of food is evidence of nothing.0 -
Processed food is generally speaking high calorie low nutrition. Foods with sugar added create cravings for some people and make it extremely difficult to eat in moderation.
There's nothing wrong with having sugar or processed food occasionally it won't kill you. The problem comes into play where you can't stop at 1 piece. I am right now literally staring at my son Easter candy and it's taking all my will power to not eat it. If I do eat it I know my headache will go away only to come back even worse in a day or two. If I don't eat it it will go away tomorrow or maybe the next day and be gone for good. the only processed foods I eat regularly, when I'm being good with my food anyway, is protein bar and protein powder. the bars are bad but I get the low/no sugar protein powder.
Besides all that sugar is wholly unnecessary in many of the things it is added too. Sugar is completely unnecessary in diced tomatoes, pasta sauce, canned beans and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. All it does is slightly sweeten the taste to make it more appealing to most Americans. Because we all have a sweet tooth to one degree or another.0 -
If I do eat it I know my headache will go away.
.... Then I would suggest you eat it. That's a no-brainer right?0 -
If I do eat it I know my headache will go away.
.... Then I would suggest you eat it. That's a no-brainer right?
I edited my statement since I left half the sentence out...
"only to come back worse tomorrow"0
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