Why do people seem to bash "healthy"eating?
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If he thinks it's "bad", do ask him to explain WHY, while he's at it.Actually, my husband IS a dietitian, and the sports nutritionist for the university. I would have to double check with him to be sure, but I can almost guarantee you McDonalds hasn't been on any of his diet plans.
As above, I don't see any reason to avoid it in a diet where you make it fit your micro/macro nutrient goals.
In moderation I think there are very few foods (if any) that are actual bad - but that doesn't mean they are healthy.
I try and keep it simple and look at food as nutritionally high (compared to calorie cost) = healthy
Or nutritionally low (compared to calorie cost) = junk food (or just food).
I think the problem is people assume it's healthy and unhealthy, which in most cases it's either healthy or neutral (but not unhealthy).0 -
Having an opinion is fine. Insisting your opinion is right and trying to use science to support it, when the actual science shows the exact opposite, is not fine. You keep appealing to authority to justify yourself. The simple fact is that most registered dietitians have no problem with processed foods. They focus on a patient's macronutrients and micronutrients, and tell them to avoid foods that may trigger specific intolerance or allergic reactions the patient might have. I have never talked to a single registered dietitian that makes blanket recommendations of eliminating any food for no specific reason. It probably has something to do with the fact that they are doctors and scientists, and they actually understand how biology works.I'm not going to get into scientific debates with anyone, I'm not a scientist or nutritionist. I'll leave that to them. I just don't agree that processed foods are great and "we get fat cuz we're all in offices now". If you contact doctor's who specialize in health and nutrition, do they tell you "eat at mcdonald's? or hey, it's ok, you can be healthy there, doubtful you'll find one. I never said you can't lose weight eating those things. I just think making your food intake with simpler, more wholesome foods other than processed foods is healthier for your body. I did say it was my opinion also, and if you don't like my opinion, your welcome to ignore it, instead of lashing out at it or me.I don't eat clean, but like I said, I'm trying to change my lifelong habits of eating processed foods and easy choices into better for me foods and cooking more at home. I'm learning, and pushing forward and trying. That's all.
Actually, my husband IS a dietitian, and the sports nutritionist for the university. I would have to double check with him to be sure, but I can almost guarantee you McDonalds hasn't been on any of his diet plans.
Most reasonable folk would agree that fast food isn't part of a diet plan BUT here it is ok to eat all the McD's food you want and still lose weight. I suppose if one is interested in just the weight loss rather than health and fitness it can happen. I suspect there will be a few challenging your hubby for his radical diet plans that don't include McD's :bigsmile:
Congratulations.
You very convincingly destroyed that strawman.0 -
I believe elsewhere you've already agreed that what's important is to have a varied diet and that there's no particular benefit to having more foods with the same micronutrients when you already have enough of them.
At that point, I'd suggest the so called 'healthy' food falls in to your 'junk' category - it offers nothing of use bar the macros.0 -
I believe elsewhere you've already agreed that what's important is to have a varied diet and that there's no particular benefit to having more foods with the same micronutrients when you already have enough of them.
At that point, I'd suggest the so called 'healthy' food falls in to your 'junk' category - it offers nothing of use bar the macros.
I think that all depends on how much you are eating. I do allow a certain amount of what I would class as junk into my diet (white rice for example) or dark chocolate (although the chocolate does offer beneficial anti oxidants to my diet).
The main think for me is I eat when I am hungry and understand the benefit / or lack of that I get from the calories I eat.0 -
There are so many misconceptions as far as what "healthy" eating is. Some people tend to believe it's all about eating smaller portions, and others think it's eating nothing but organic foods and staying away from any kind of supplements. My thing is find what works for you. If it doesn't work, try something else. Some people are just comfortable where they are, even if they're not getting the results they want, and they are afraid to step out of their own comfort zone. Some people are afraid to try the organic foods out of fear of bad taste. Some people afraid of trying nutrition programs like Herbalife because of either the cost, or the misconception of being on a "liquid diet" (which is not true at all...I would know). They tend to think what they are eating is fine, so their belief is to be smaller portions, which does not work. In all cases, it's just really the fear of the unknown. As I always say, you don't know until you give it a try.0
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No one bashes healthy eating. They just define it differently than you do. The definitions looks so different because some define based on science, and others on information they get from documentaries, and daytime television, and the like.
But they do bash healthy eating. Sometimes those who are eating clean, eating healthy, eating Paleo or eating vegetarian get tired of the bashing. I have not seen the 'preaching' that this is the only way to eat that anyone not buying into the 'eat whatever you want' are accused of here but I have seen the bashing of anyone who even remotely mentions they don't want to or don't eat a particular food. I don't get it. I'm on the clean eating spectrum and certainly don't push my dietary choices on others yet others feel the need to bash as soon as I or anyone else eating anything but the SAD comments on any of these types of threads. I'm sure there are many members here not eating the SAD and really don't care what others eat. In my opinion, it is none of my business what anyone else eats and I'm not responsible for what they eat. It's too bad the bashing happens but it does.
i would like to know who this "they" is …
the only problem comes up when people say "you have to eat 'clean' to lose body fat", or "I calorie deficit does not work for me, but then i switch to paleo and the weight started coming off" which we both know that both of these are not true ..if you want to do Paleo and lose weight great, but don't tell me "calorie deficit does not work for you, but paleo does, or you have to eat clean if you want to lose body fat…
This is what I think people think is bashing healthy eaters. Of course it isn't. Talking about being fit or talking about losing weight are two different things. No you probably can't get fit eating only fast food, but there is only one way to lose weight consume less calories then you spend. A calorie is a calorie, it doesn't know healthy or unhealthy. So healthy eaters aren't being bashed, people are only being corrected when they talk about weight loss.0 -
Having an opinion is fine. Insisting your opinion is right and trying to use science to support it, when the actual science shows the exact opposite, is not fine. You keep appealing to authority to justify yourself. The simple fact is that most registered dietitians have no problem with processed foods. They focus on a patient's macronutrients and micronutrients, and tell them to avoid foods that may trigger specific intolerance or allergic reactions the patient might have. I have never talked to a single registered dietitian that makes blanket recommendations of eliminating any food for no specific reason. It probably has something to do with the fact that they are doctors and scientists, and they actually understand how biology works.I'm not going to get into scientific debates with anyone, I'm not a scientist or nutritionist. I'll leave that to them. I just don't agree that processed foods are great and "we get fat cuz we're all in offices now". If you contact doctor's who specialize in health and nutrition, do they tell you "eat at mcdonald's? or hey, it's ok, you can be healthy there, doubtful you'll find one. I never said you can't lose weight eating those things. I just think making your food intake with simpler, more wholesome foods other than processed foods is healthier for your body. I did say it was my opinion also, and if you don't like my opinion, your welcome to ignore it, instead of lashing out at it or me.I don't eat clean, but like I said, I'm trying to change my lifelong habits of eating processed foods and easy choices into better for me foods and cooking more at home. I'm learning, and pushing forward and trying. That's all.
Actually, my husband IS a dietitian, and the sports nutritionist for the university. I would have to double check with him to be sure, but I can almost guarantee you McDonalds hasn't been on any of his diet plans.
Most reasonable folk would agree that fast food isn't part of a diet plan BUT here it is ok to eat all the McD's food you want and still lose weight. I suppose if one is interested in just the weight loss rather than health and fitness it can happen. I suspect there will be a few challenging your hubby for his radical diet plans that don't include McD's :bigsmile:
i would like to know the person, thread, etc on MFP that is recommending eating 100% of your calories from McD's?0 -
I kind of agree with you on one aspect, that if someone wishes to cut something out of their diet for whatever reason then so be it. I would actually give advice on things that may help them achieve their goal. That said, I also always make sure to mention that they really don't have to. People who ask usually just don't know better. They think weight loss means 800 calories of lettuce and kale. If they genuinely just want to cut off certain foods for some actual reason that they are convinced by (rightfully so or not) then they would appreciate a helpful answer that addresses their issue. If they just want to cut something out "because so and so told them so", they would appreciate a helpful answer that shows them it may not be the best strategy.0
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No one bashes healthy eating. They just define it differently than you do. The definitions looks so different because some define based on science, and others on information they get from documentaries, and daytime television, and the like.
But they do bash healthy eating. Sometimes those who are eating clean, eating healthy, eating Paleo or eating vegetarian get tired of the bashing. I have not seen the 'preaching' that this is the only way to eat that anyone not buying into the 'eat whatever you want' are accused of here but I have seen the bashing of anyone who even remotely mentions they don't want to or don't eat a particular food. I don't get it. I'm on the clean eating spectrum and certainly don't push my dietary choices on others yet others feel the need to bash as soon as I or anyone else eating anything but the SAD comments on any of these types of threads. I'm sure there are many members here not eating the SAD and really don't care what others eat. In my opinion, it is none of my business what anyone else eats and I'm not responsible for what they eat. It's too bad the bashing happens but it does.
i would like to know who this "they" is …
the only problem comes up when people say "you have to eat 'clean' to lose body fat", or "I calorie deficit does not work for me, but then i switch to paleo and the weight started coming off" which we both know that both of these are not true ..if you want to do Paleo and lose weight great, but don't tell me "calorie deficit does not work for you, but paleo does, or you have to eat clean if you want to lose body fat…
This is what I think people think is bashing healthy eaters. Of course it isn't. Talking about being fit or talking about losing weight are two different things. No you probably can't get fit eating only fast food, but there is only one way to lose weight consume less calories then you spend. A calorie is a calorie, it doesn't know healthy or unhealthy. So healthy eaters aren't being bashed, people are only being corrected when they talk about weight loss.
No, the bashing is worse than this. Just search the forums to see what I mean. At any rate, I'm not sure why they do it. Perhaps, it is simply a form of entertainment to get some type of reaction. I don't know. I'm just carrying on with the way I've eaten for over 30 years. I comment on the healthy eating and clean threads but in no way imply that everyone has to eat my way or they are wrong. Now where is that gif the IIFYM folks love to post. I think it needs a bit of Photoshop :bigsmile:
As far as a calorie is a calorie, perhaps BUT it has been reported by many that the concept does not ring true for them with respect to weight loss. Slightly reducing carb calories does seem to be effective for many women and there is evidence that those eating low carb lose weight faster. In my case I reduced my carbs from the default 50% to 40% which gave excellent results. It has been shown that carbs specifically sugar causes water retention and sugar can trigger cravings that cause one to unintentionally over eat. So, a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to weight loss and it certainly does not ring true when it comes to health and fitness.0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?0 -
No one bashes healthy eating. They just define it differently than you do. The definitions looks so different because some define based on science, and others on information they get from documentaries, and daytime television, and the like.
But they do bash healthy eating. Sometimes those who are eating clean, eating healthy, eating Paleo or eating vegetarian get tired of the bashing. I have not seen the 'preaching' that this is the only way to eat that anyone not buying into the 'eat whatever you want' are accused of here but I have seen the bashing of anyone who even remotely mentions they don't want to or don't eat a particular food. I don't get it. I'm on the clean eating spectrum and certainly don't push my dietary choices on others yet others feel the need to bash as soon as I or anyone else eating anything but the SAD comments on any of these types of threads. I'm sure there are many members here not eating the SAD and really don't care what others eat. In my opinion, it is none of my business what anyone else eats and I'm not responsible for what they eat. It's too bad the bashing happens but it does.
i would like to know who this "they" is …
the only problem comes up when people say "you have to eat 'clean' to lose body fat", or "I calorie deficit does not work for me, but then i switch to paleo and the weight started coming off" which we both know that both of these are not true ..if you want to do Paleo and lose weight great, but don't tell me "calorie deficit does not work for you, but paleo does, or you have to eat clean if you want to lose body fat…
This is what I think people think is bashing healthy eaters. Of course it isn't. Talking about being fit or talking about losing weight are two different things. No you probably can't get fit eating only fast food, but there is only one way to lose weight consume less calories then you spend. A calorie is a calorie, it doesn't know healthy or unhealthy. So healthy eaters aren't being bashed, people are only being corrected when they talk about weight loss.
No, the bashing is worse than this. Just search the forums to see what I mean. At any rate, I'm not sure why they do it. Perhaps, it is simply a form of entertainment to get some type of reaction. I don't know. I'm just carrying on with the way I've eaten for over 30 years. I comment on the healthy eating and clean threads but in no way imply that everyone has to eat my way or they are wrong. Now where is that gif the IIFYM folks love to post. I think it needs a bit of Photoshop :bigsmile:
As far as a calorie is a calorie, perhaps BUT it has been reported by many that the concept does not ring true for them with respect to weight loss. Slightly reducing carb calories does seem to be effective for many women and there is evidence that those eating low carb lose weight faster. In my case I reduced my carbs from the default 50% to 40% which gave excellent results. It has been shown that carbs specifically sugar causes water retention and sugar can trigger cravings that cause one to unintentionally over eat. So, a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to weight loss and it certainly does not ring true when it comes to health and fitness.
I often wonder the same...
...except the "they" in my scenario differs from yours.0 -
Go on, humour me - what IS the specific benefits with anti-oxidants in chocolate.I think that all depends on how much you are eating. I do allow a certain amount of what I would class as junk into my diet (white rice for example) or dark chocolate (although the chocolate does offer beneficial anti oxidants to my diet).
The main think for me is I eat when I am hungry and understand the benefit / or lack of that I get from the calories I eat.
I've read quite a lot of stuff about 'anti oxidants', but not find any decent figures on whether making a point of getting certain amounts is really useful, or in reality is just a way to sell magazines.0 -
No one bashes healthy eating. They just define it differently than you do. The definitions looks so different because some define based on science, and others on information they get from documentaries, and daytime television, and the like.
But they do bash healthy eating. Sometimes those who are eating clean, eating healthy, eating Paleo or eating vegetarian get tired of the bashing. I have not seen the 'preaching' that this is the only way to eat that anyone not buying into the 'eat whatever you want' are accused of here but I have seen the bashing of anyone who even remotely mentions they don't want to or don't eat a particular food. I don't get it. I'm on the clean eating spectrum and certainly don't push my dietary choices on others yet others feel the need to bash as soon as I or anyone else eating anything but the SAD comments on any of these types of threads. I'm sure there are many members here not eating the SAD and really don't care what others eat. In my opinion, it is none of my business what anyone else eats and I'm not responsible for what they eat. It's too bad the bashing happens but it does.
i would like to know who this "they" is …
the only problem comes up when people say "you have to eat 'clean' to lose body fat", or "I calorie deficit does not work for me, but then i switch to paleo and the weight started coming off" which we both know that both of these are not true ..if you want to do Paleo and lose weight great, but don't tell me "calorie deficit does not work for you, but paleo does, or you have to eat clean if you want to lose body fat…
This is what I think people think is bashing healthy eaters. Of course it isn't. Talking about being fit or talking about losing weight are two different things. No you probably can't get fit eating only fast food, but there is only one way to lose weight consume less calories then you spend. A calorie is a calorie, it doesn't know healthy or unhealthy. So healthy eaters aren't being bashed, people are only being corrected when they talk about weight loss.
No, the bashing is worse than this. Just search the forums to see what I mean. At any rate, I'm not sure why they do it. Perhaps, it is simply a form of entertainment to get some type of reaction. I don't know. I'm just carrying on with the way I've eaten for over 30 years. I comment on the healthy eating and clean threads but in no way imply that everyone has to eat my way or they are wrong. Now where is that gif the IIFYM folks love to post. I think it needs a bit of Photoshop :bigsmile:
As far as a calorie is a calorie, perhaps BUT it has been reported by many that the concept does not ring true for them with respect to weight loss. Slightly reducing carb calories does seem to be effective for many women and there is evidence that those eating low carb lose weight faster. In my case I reduced my carbs from the default 50% to 40% which gave excellent results. It has been shown that carbs specifically sugar causes water retention and sugar can trigger cravings that cause one to unintentionally over eat. So, a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to weight loss and it certainly does not ring true when it comes to health and fitness.
interesting, you are painting a broad brush with this constant "they" that is supposedly bashing every other diet and recommending eating 100% of calories from Mcdonald's and you do not even have one example????
and lets not even derail into the calorie is not a calories only when it is a calorie argument…if you are not losing weight, you are not in a calorie deficit, period. Unless you have some medical condition, and even then you are going to need a negative energy balance...0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?
how would it be unsustainable? And what then is "sustainable" eliminating a whole group of foods because they are "bad"….0 -
Go on, humour me - what IS the specific benefits with anti-oxidants in chocolate.I think that all depends on how much you are eating. I do allow a certain amount of what I would class as junk into my diet (white rice for example) or dark chocolate (although the chocolate does offer beneficial anti oxidants to my diet).
The main think for me is I eat when I am hungry and understand the benefit / or lack of that I get from the calories I eat.
I've read quite a lot of stuff about 'anti oxidants', but not find any decent figures on whether making a point of getting certain amounts is really useful, or in reality is just a way to sell magazines.
The less oxidation of my LDL cholesterol the better. From my understanding a diet high in anti oxidants helps (how much I'm not sure) - I hope so otherwise I've been drinking all this red wine for nothing.0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?
how would it be unsustainable? And what then is "sustainable" eliminating a whole group of foods because they are "bad"….
It's that statement right there that pretty much cements my view of certain members on this forum!
Counting calories works, cutting food groups I.e LCHF works.
Some will find calorie counting unsustainable, some will find cutting food groups unsustainable - do you really not get it or was your post supposed to be tongue in cheek (I really hope it's the latter).0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?
how would it be unsustainable? And what then is "sustainable" eliminating a whole group of foods because they are "bad"….
It's that statement right there that pretty much cements my view of certain members on this forum!
Counting calories works, cutting food groups I.e LCHF works.
Some will find calorie counting unsustainable, some will find cutting food groups unsustainable - do you really not get it or was your post supposed to be tongue in cheek (I really hope it's the latter).
I never said one worked better then the other..my question is what is sustainable then? In my personal opinion, it is easier to track calories rather then avoid a whole food group because it has been deemed "bad." Using the phone app takes me about five minutes to log all my food for the day ..I do not see how five minutes of my time to log calories is not "sustainable"..0 -
Oh well, I was genuinely hoping you'd have the answer, as it's something I've looked at myself.(how much I'm not sure)
Without that, I have to file it not too far away from Acai ketones and so on.
While I'm here, I should note that this is does, however, rather contradict the claim that you understand the benefit or lack of from the calories you eat
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I have to admit I don't as much as I would like to in similar situations.0 -
Go on, humour me - what IS the specific benefits with anti-oxidants in chocolate.I think that all depends on how much you are eating. I do allow a certain amount of what I would class as junk into my diet (white rice for example) or dark chocolate (although the chocolate does offer beneficial anti oxidants to my diet).
The main think for me is I eat when I am hungry and understand the benefit / or lack of that I get from the calories I eat.
I've read quite a lot of stuff about 'anti oxidants', but not find any decent figures on whether making a point of getting certain amounts is really useful, or in reality is just a way to sell magazines.
Here are two links for the benefits of the anti-oxidants in dark chocolate but there are a lot more.
https://www.med.umich.edu/umim/food-pyramid/dark_chocolate.htm
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/prevention/nutrition/food-choices/benefits-of-chocolate.aspx0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?
To anyone wondering the same thing, Open diary, Create post.0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?
how would it be unsustainable? And what then is "sustainable" eliminating a whole group of foods because they are "bad"….
It's that statement right there that pretty much cements my view of certain members on this forum!
Counting calories works, cutting food groups I.e LCHF works.
Some will find calorie counting unsustainable, some will find cutting food groups unsustainable - do you really not get it or was your post supposed to be tongue in cheek (I really hope it's the latter).
I never said one worked better then the other..my question is what is sustainable then? In my personal opinion, it is easier to track calories rather then avoid a whole food group because it has been deemed "bad." Using the phone app takes me about five minutes to log all my food for the day ..I do not see how five minutes of my time to log calories is not "sustainable"..
I answered in a post earlier. When eating the same foods that I tended to over eat on, when trying to eat the same food in smaller portions I always felt hungry when I hit my calorie target for the day. Not very pleasant.
Now however my appetite is under control - I don't ever eat until afternoon (which is when I am hungry for the first time of the day).
I have constant energy, and at weekends I can do a 12 mile hike, or 20 mile bike ride on a Sunday morning on a cup of coffee.
Different people find different things easy and hard - you say that you would struggle on cutting out grain and wheat - for me it's easy, don't miss it, don't crave it. LCHF has been a breeze.
I've so far lost 8 inches off my waist, 25lbs in weight and I've not logged I gram of food.0 -
Unfortunately the second link does cite references, nor does it contain *useful* information.Here are two links for the benefits of the anti-oxidants in dark chocolate but there are a lot more.
https://www.med.umich.edu/umim/food-pyramid/dark_chocolate.htm
http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/prevention/nutrition/food-choices/benefits-of-chocolate.aspx
The first link DOES have links to some resources that are more useful, however, cheers.
I can see, for instance, that apparently 50g of dark chocolate has similar amounts of flavinoid to 6 onions.
Sounds pretty good - that's a lot of grams of onion.
BUT, that's also 260 calories. 6 onions likely be similar and have made a delicious filling soup or similar - or if considering taking it on a weakly basis, the sort of number of onions I'll often eat in a week anyway. Especially when you consider other foods that contain them.
Unfortunately the abstracts etc of the studies I've just read don't go into enough detail on their methods - were the participants restricted from eating other foods high in these, for instance?
Is it specifically ones in chocolate, or in reality will your person eating a varied diet likely get plenty of them as it is?0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?
how would it be unsustainable? And what then is "sustainable" eliminating a whole group of foods because they are "bad"….
It's that statement right there that pretty much cements my view of certain members on this forum!
Counting calories works, cutting food groups I.e LCHF works.
Some will find calorie counting unsustainable, some will find cutting food groups unsustainable - do you really not get it or was your post supposed to be tongue in cheek (I really hope it's the latter).
I never said one worked better then the other..my question is what is sustainable then? In my personal opinion, it is easier to track calories rather then avoid a whole food group because it has been deemed "bad." Using the phone app takes me about five minutes to log all my food for the day ..I do not see how five minutes of my time to log calories is not "sustainable"..
I answered in a post earlier. When eating the same foods that I tended to over eat on, when trying to eat the same food in smaller portions I always felt hungry when I hit my calorie target for the day. Not very pleasant.
Now however my appetite is under control - I don't ever eat until afternoon (which is when I am hungry for the first time of the day).
I have constant energy, and at weekends I can do a 12 mile hike, or 20 mile bike ride on a Sunday morning on a cup of coffee.
Different people find different things easy and hard - you say that you would struggle on cutting out grain and wheat - for me it's easy, don't miss it, don't crave it. LCHF has been a breeze.
I've so far lost 8 inches off my waist, 25lbs in weight and I've not logged I gram of food.
I find it interesting how many people are MFP members but don't use the primary tool of MFP. If I wasn't tracking calories, no way would I be here since the entire premise of this site is centered around tracking calories. (Note, I'm not saying that tracking calories is essential, but it's a key component...and I'm also not saying that people *shouldn't* be here if they aren't tracking, I just find it interesting.)0 -
Oh well, I was genuinely hoping you'd have the answer, as it's something I've looked at myself.(how much I'm not sure)
Without that, I have to file it not too far away from Acai ketones and so on.
While I'm here, I should note that this is does, however, rather contradict the claim that you understand the benefit or lack of from the calories you eat.
I have to admit I don't as much as I would like to in similar situations.
You want too much.
There have been studies done to show that anti oxidants can help the effectiveness of chemotherapy and radiotherapy.
Basically anti oxidants block free radicals which we all have in us and are molecules that alter the structure of other molecules (in many instances oxidising them)
That much I know. In regards to specific studies I don't have any to send you.
I know what antioxidants do and I believe they are beneficial - that's good enough for me.0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?
how would it be unsustainable? And what then is "sustainable" eliminating a whole group of foods because they are "bad"….
It's that statement right there that pretty much cements my view of certain members on this forum!
Counting calories works, cutting food groups I.e LCHF works.
Some will find calorie counting unsustainable, some will find cutting food groups unsustainable - do you really not get it or was your post supposed to be tongue in cheek (I really hope it's the latter).
I never said one worked better then the other..my question is what is sustainable then? In my personal opinion, it is easier to track calories rather then avoid a whole food group because it has been deemed "bad." Using the phone app takes me about five minutes to log all my food for the day ..I do not see how five minutes of my time to log calories is not "sustainable"..
I answered in a post earlier. When eating the same foods that I tended to over eat on, when trying to eat the same food in smaller portions I always felt hungry when I hit my calorie target for the day. Not very pleasant.
Now however my appetite is under control - I don't ever eat until afternoon (which is when I am hungry for the first time of the day).
I have constant energy, and at weekends I can do a 12 mile hike, or 20 mile bike ride on a Sunday morning on a cup of coffee.
Different people find different things easy and hard - you say that you would struggle on cutting out grain and wheat - for me it's easy, don't miss it, don't crave it. LCHF has been a breeze.
I've so far lost 8 inches off my waist, 25lbs in weight and I've not logged I gram of food.
I find it interesting how many people are MFP members but don't use the primary tool of MFP. If I wasn't tracking calories, no way would I be here since the entire premise of this site is centered around tracking calories. (Note, I'm not saying that tracking calories is essential, but it's a key component...and I'm also not saying that people *shouldn't* be here if they aren't tracking, I just find it interesting.)
For me tracking calories is a ball ache.
MFP is so much more than just a calorie counter.
If you only use it for that then great at least you're getting benefit from it.0 -
While I would agree this as a failure of 'everything in moderation' for you (the concept doesn't really work for me), I don't see it as a failure of 'calorie counting' - you could as well have adjusted your diet to provide foods that kept you fuller and so on on while still counting calories.I answered in a post earlier. When eating the same foods that I tended to over eat on, when trying to eat the same food in smaller portions I always felt hungry when I hit my calorie target for the day. Not very pleasant.
Now however my appetite is under control - I don't ever eat until afternoon (which is when I am hungry for the first time of the day).
There's certainly some foods (like full fat cheese) that I DO have to remove completely.0 -
To anyone wondering the same thing, Open diary, Create post.
I'm afraid. While I assume you're being facetious, here are some other options, again for anyone wondering:
Post a quick topic on your News feed. MFPals can be incredibly supportive and know just what to say! I know I look in my FL diaries all the time but do not offer any opinions unless specifically asked (I'm useless, I know)
Another option is to search MyFitnessPal.com old posts. Personally I don't much care for the website's search feature so I use Google. Example, in google search, type (without quotes):
"I can't stop eating site:MyFitnessPal.com"
I even created a shortcut on my phone to be able to type site:MyFitnessPal.com easily. Honestly , the fact that so many MFP members step up to say, "NO, this information is wrong" has been incredibly helpful to me and helps me trust the info on this site more, and has enabled me to come up with my own individual plan that I find sustainable. It seems people want to be able to give advice like no carbs after 2 PM and don't eat after 7 PM or cut out this food or that food, without being challenged. THANKFULLY, this is the wrong site for any and all of that!!0 -
For me, wanting to know if it's a fringe benefit that doesn't apply to me (or could even be detrimental) versus good evidence it is worth me doing certainly isn't "wanting too much".I know what antioxidants do and I believe they are beneficial - that's good enough for me.
To me that's a "sensible decision making process".
Now, if the situation regarding misinformation in this field was different, I might accept the point of "wanting too much".
Unfortunately, as it is, not only is there a massive amount of distracting and badly used 'information' out there, but a lot of people try and make money for abusing said information to get people viewing their media - which is usually done by significantly overplaying the like benefits or detriments on a particular food or activity.0 -
If I weren't a moderately ardent atheist*, I'd offer up an 'Amen'Honestly , the fact that so many MFP members step up to say, "NO, this information is wrong" has been incredibly helpful to me and helps me trust the info on this site more, and has enabled me to come up with my own individual plan that I find sustainable. It seems people want to be able to give advice like no carbs after 2 PM and don't eat after 7 PM or cut out this food or that food, without being challenged. THANKFULLY, this is the wrong site for any and all of that!!.
* back to that whole 'needing evidence' thing!0 -
No one is bashing healthy eating. What's mainly being said is moderation, stay away from extremes.
But what if you find moderation and calorie counting unsustainabl! What do you do then?
how would it be unsustainable? And what then is "sustainable" eliminating a whole group of foods because they are "bad"….
It's that statement right there that pretty much cements my view of certain members on this forum!
Counting calories works, cutting food groups I.e LCHF works.
Some will find calorie counting unsustainable, some will find cutting food groups unsustainable - do you really not get it or was your post supposed to be tongue in cheek (I really hope it's the latter).
I never said one worked better then the other..my question is what is sustainable then? In my personal opinion, it is easier to track calories rather then avoid a whole food group because it has been deemed "bad." Using the phone app takes me about five minutes to log all my food for the day ..I do not see how five minutes of my time to log calories is not "sustainable"..
I answered in a post earlier. When eating the same foods that I tended to over eat on, when trying to eat the same food in smaller portions I always felt hungry when I hit my calorie target for the day. Not very pleasant.
Now however my appetite is under control - I don't ever eat until afternoon (which is when I am hungry for the first time of the day).
I have constant energy, and at weekends I can do a 12 mile hike, or 20 mile bike ride on a Sunday morning on a cup of coffee.
Different people find different things easy and hard - you say that you would struggle on cutting out grain and wheat - for me it's easy, don't miss it, don't crave it. LCHF has been a breeze.
I've so far lost 8 inches off my waist, 25lbs in weight and I've not logged I gram of food.
I find it interesting how many people are MFP members but don't use the primary tool of MFP. If I wasn't tracking calories, no way would I be here since the entire premise of this site is centered around tracking calories. (Note, I'm not saying that tracking calories is essential, but it's a key component...and I'm also not saying that people *shouldn't* be here if they aren't tracking, I just find it interesting.)
For me tracking calories is a ball ache.
MFP is so much more than just a calorie counter.
If you only use it for that then great at least you're getting benefit from it.
It's more than that, and yet it's still centered around that. The forums assume that others are using that particular tool...so the advice in the forums reflect that fact. The other members to be on your FL to provide all those motivations and supports? Most of them track calories. It's a reasonable assumption that any topic will be in the context of tracking calories.
Like I said, I just find it interesting.0
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