KATIE COURIC'S PERILS OF FOOD POLICS
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Not a fan, not interested in what she has to say...sorry.
I felt bad for her when her husband died of cancer, that was really sad.0 -
You mean like fat?
Except demonizing fat isn't trendy anymore, of course.
Because Fat is NOT fattening per se ...... TOO much fat is (true for carbs, sugars.. etc.. etc....)
Nothing is fattening until eaten in excess, of course. I eat tons of fat (Something like 70-80 grams a day, and I think I've hit over 100 grams on occasion.)
I'm just saying fat is just as easy, if not easier, to over consume as sugar.0 -
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Agreed with this statement.
I'm not suggesting that people eliminate sugar totally from their diet - just if they did there would be no negative impact on their health and depending on the quantity they were eliminating from, there could be significant positive affects on their health.
If somebody has already limited there intake of sugar then cutting it out totally would probably not give them much of a positive benefit to make it worth while.
Most of the well respected nutritionist do suggest limiting an dietary intake of sugar, surely we all agree on that one.0 -
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I'm not suggesting that people eliminate sugar totally from their diet - just if they did there would be no negative impact on their health and depending on the quantity they were eliminating from, there could be significant positive affects on their health.
If somebody has already limited there intake of sugar then cutting it out totally would probably not give them much of a positive benefit to make it worth while.
Most of the well respected nutritionist do suggest limiting an dietary intake of sugar, surely we all agree on that one.
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Edit: tried to quote the guy above me, didn't work0
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thank you, this was the point i was trying to get across
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Agreed with this statement.
I'm not suggesting that people eliminate sugar totally from their diet - just if they did there would be no negative impact on their health and depending on the quantity they were eliminating from, there could be significant positive affects on their health.
If somebody has already limited there intake of sugar then cutting it out totally would probably not give them much of a positive benefit to make it worth while.
Most of the well respected nutritionist do suggest limiting an dietary intake of sugar, surely we all agree on that one.0 -
what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
:huh:
Are you serious? Fast food (the only thing more demonized than sugar these days) isn't laden with fat? It's sugar adding all those calories to my burgers and fries? Is it sugar adding calories to my chips? Fat isn't just as predominate in baked goods and treats as sugar? Fried food isn't eaten to excess just like cookies and candy?0 -
Although I didn't watch the video, I don't see why you should eliminate sugar unless you have blood sugar or yeast issues. Why would you need to?0
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those fats are present from the frying process of those foods, mcdonalds doesnt just inject lard into their burgers, in fact most fast producers are trying hard to reduce the amount of fats in their foods, the same cannot be said about most candy producers
what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
:huh:
Are you serious? Fast food (the only thing more demonized than sugar these days) isn't laden with fat? It's sugar adding all those calories to my burgers and fries? Is it sugar adding calories to my chips? Fat isn't just as predominate in baked goods and treats as sugar? Fried food isn't eaten to excess just like cookies and candy?0 -
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fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.0 -
those fats are present from the frying process of those foods, mcdonalds doesnt just inject lard into their burgers, in fact most fast producers are trying hard to reduce the amount of fats in their foods, the same cannot be said about most candy producers
what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
:huh:
Are you serious? Fast food (the only thing more demonized than sugar these days) isn't laden with fat? It's sugar adding all those calories to my burgers and fries? Is it sugar adding calories to my chips? Fat isn't just as predominate in baked goods and treats as sugar? Fried food isn't eaten to excess just like cookies and candy?
So the difference is that while fat is added it's added because that's what it takes to make those products (frying process) sugar is added to candy...to make those products?
Alright then.0 -
i agree, we're talking about added sugar from cane here. you can get all you need from other sources
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.0 -
IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here
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C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...0 -
No need to get all upset. My opinion on a message board in reply to your opinion on a message board are no reasons to feel like I'm jumping on you. My point exactly, up in arms when it's simply your choice what you put into your body and it's simply my choice what goes into mine. I apologize if you feel I put words into your mouth, I honestly felt that was what you were getting at. Anyways I'm not the only one who thinks all the extra sugar in the American diet is not good-
Not upset at all.
But I refuse to sit by while random people imply I said something I didn't.
If I was getting at it I would have stated it in black and white...I don't talk code.
no you aren't the only one but doesn't mean you are all right either, just like excess fat was the reason in the 80's, then excess carbs (ie white bread/rice)
Proof is in the results of people who count calories...the reason for obesity in the world not just the US is excess calories...which can come from anywhere...not just sugar.
Ok that's fine you can totally ignore the study I quoted.
Agree to disagree.
I didn't ignore it just the snip you chose to post as it was only part of it...I was reading the study.....Food is not ordinarily like a substance of abuse, but intermittent bingeing and deprivation changes that. Based on the observed behavioral and neurochemical similarities between the effects of intermittent sugar access and drugs of abuse, we suggest that sugar, as common as it is, nonetheless meets the criteria for a substance of abuse and may be “addictive” for some individuals when consumed in a “binge-like” manner.
the conclusion sheds more light on itFrom an evolutionary perspective, it is in the best interest of humans to have an inherent desire for food for survival. However, this desire may go awry, and certain people, including some obese and bulimic patients in particular, may develop an unhealthy dependence on palatable food that interferes with well-being. The concept of “food addiction” materialized in the diet industry on the basis of subjective reports, clinical accounts and case studies described in self-help books. The rise in obesity, coupled with the emergence of scientific findings of parallels between drugs of abuse and palatable foods has given credibility to this idea. The reviewed evidence supports the theory that, in some circumstances, intermittent access to sugar can lead to behavior and neurochemical changes that resemble the effects of a substance of abuse. According to the evidence in rats, intermittent access to sugar and chow is capable of producing a “dependency”. This was operationally defined by tests for bingeing, withdrawal, craving and cross-sensitization to amphetamine and alcohol. The correspondence to some people with binge eating disorder or bulimia is striking, but whether or not it is a good idea to call this a “food addiction” in people is both a scientific and societal question that has yet to be answered. What this review demonstrates is that rats with intermittent access to food and a sugar solution can show both a constellation of behaviors and parallel brain changes that are characteristic of rats that voluntarily self-administer addictive drugs. In the aggregrate, this is evidence that sugar can be addictive.
This is the conclusion which to me basically indicates that sugar is not evil but given certian predisposition to addiction a certian rats may react to it differently...given the chance to binge on sugar...then withdraw it from them completely...
how about they try moderation in the next study and see if the rats behave the same...
but even in the study conclusion they do not say humans get addicted to sugar...the quote is "unhealthy dependence"0 -
those fats are present from the frying process of those foods, mcdonalds doesnt just inject lard into their burgers, in fact most fast producers are trying hard to reduce the amount of fats in their foods, the same cannot be said about most candy producers
what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
:huh:
Are you serious? Fast food (the only thing more demonized than sugar these days) isn't laden with fat? It's sugar adding all those calories to my burgers and fries? Is it sugar adding calories to my chips? Fat isn't just as predominate in baked goods and treats as sugar? Fried food isn't eaten to excess just like cookies and candy?
You're right. Most candy producers are not trying to limit the amount of sugar in their products.
In other news the sun came up this morning.
It's candy! It's made from sugar! You're not supposed to live on it and then say, "Hey! What do you mean this isn't healthy?"
Well now we're back to personal responsibility and we all know how that ends up.
"Sugar is addicting, I can't stop myself!"
"So stop eating it."
"But other people should limit it too!"
"Why?"
"Because it's bad for you!"
"In excess."
"But it's addicting so people can't stop! Those damn companies add it to everything!"
"I'm fine with sugar, actually."
"NO!"0 -
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
You can certainly survive without dietary sugar - in fact you can survive without dietary carbs of any source. It's may not be optimal but its certainly possible.0 -
i agree, we're talking about added sugar from cane here. you can get all you need from other sources
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
Ah, so cane sugar is the culprit?
There goes my rum.
So sugar DOES have nutritional value except when it comes from cane. OK.0 -
those fats are present from the frying process of those foods, mcdonalds doesnt just inject lard into their burgers, in fact most fast producers are trying hard to reduce the amount of fats in their foods, the same cannot be said about most candy producers
what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
:huh:
Are you serious? Fast food (the only thing more demonized than sugar these days) isn't laden with fat? It's sugar adding all those calories to my burgers and fries? Is it sugar adding calories to my chips? Fat isn't just as predominate in baked goods and treats as sugar? Fried food isn't eaten to excess just like cookies and candy?
So the difference is that while fat is added it's added because that's what it takes to make those products (frying process) sugar is added to candy...to make those products?
Alright then.
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you can make candy without sugar... you cant make french fries without the grease (at least not practically in a fast food restaurant)
those fats are present from the frying process of those foods, mcdonalds doesnt just inject lard into their burgers, in fact most fast producers are trying hard to reduce the amount of fats in their foods, the same cannot be said about most candy producers
what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
:huh:
Are you serious? Fast food (the only thing more demonized than sugar these days) isn't laden with fat? It's sugar adding all those calories to my burgers and fries? Is it sugar adding calories to my chips? Fat isn't just as predominate in baked goods and treats as sugar? Fried food isn't eaten to excess just like cookies and candy?
So the difference is that while fat is added it's added because that's what it takes to make those products (frying process) sugar is added to candy...to make those products?
Alright then.
this argument is getting a little redundant, most of what ive said applies to fast food as well, as ive said before.0 -
My opinion: No one persuades anyone...you persuade yourself.
This is an interesting movie made by someone in the mainstream (as opposed to someone on the fringe).
It is worth at least considering beyond a trailer and an ad.0 -
Oh - here we go - perfect summation of why this documentary is awesome
Q - Where does the responsibility for educating people lie? Is it simply a personal responsibility, or a social one?
A - "It can be at the top, with an examination of how we are marketing to our kids. Maybe we should consider not having the USDA promote American agriculture and come up with our dietary guidelines, because it is such an inherent conflict of interest. I think there are things we can do at the highest level of government; there are also things we can do at a local level when it comes to our food and what our kids are being served every day on our school cafeteria. When you're sitting at the kitchen table, have a conversation about what you're eating, what we are buying and cooking. " (Replied by Katie Couric)0 -
Yep all sugars fault and not the fact that people ride their office chairs for 8-12 hours a day then come home and ride the couch the rest of the night, people hire landscapers or use a riding mower to mow their less than .25 acre yard, people drive their car to go 1 block down the street etc..........where is that documentary.
Also state schools over the past several decades have cut back on PE lessons. The technology age is upon us and too many kids sit in front of TV or games consoles.
I have actually seen a nice trend in my town. I often walk outside with my husband and in the last two weeks we have seen tonnes of kids outside playing...I was shocked really when I head the kids on the next street over counting...they were playing hide and seek...then we see
street hockey I bet there were 20 boys
biking
skate boarding
basketball etc
Which is not the norm here...it's been great to see.
Ah the good old day!
We had a tag/hiding seek game called forty - forty!0 -
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you can make candy without sugar... you cant make french fries without the grease (at least not practically in a fast food restaurant)
those fats are present from the frying process of those foods, mcdonalds doesnt just inject lard into their burgers, in fact most fast producers are trying hard to reduce the amount of fats in their foods, the same cannot be said about most candy producers
what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
:huh:
Are you serious? Fast food (the only thing more demonized than sugar these days) isn't laden with fat? It's sugar adding all those calories to my burgers and fries? Is it sugar adding calories to my chips? Fat isn't just as predominate in baked goods and treats as sugar? Fried food isn't eaten to excess just like cookies and candy?
So the difference is that while fat is added it's added because that's what it takes to make those products (frying process) sugar is added to candy...to make those products?
Alright then.
this argument is getting a little redundant, most of what ive said applies to fast food as well, as ive said before.
I'm willing to admit this argument is a bit silly, but probably not for the reasons you think it is.0 -
No need to get all upset. My opinion on a message board in reply to your opinion on a message board are no reasons to feel like I'm jumping on you. My point exactly, up in arms when it's simply your choice what you put into your body and it's simply my choice what goes into mine. I apologize if you feel I put words into your mouth, I honestly felt that was what you were getting at. Anyways I'm not the only one who thinks all the extra sugar in the American diet is not good-
Not upset at all.
But I refuse to sit by while random people imply I said something I didn't.
If I was getting at it I would have stated it in black and white...I don't talk code.
no you aren't the only one but doesn't mean you are all right either, just like excess fat was the reason in the 80's, then excess carbs (ie white bread/rice)
Proof is in the results of people who count calories...the reason for obesity in the world not just the US is excess calories...which can come from anywhere...not just sugar.
Ok that's fine you can totally ignore the study I quoted.
Agree to disagree.
I didn't ignore it just the snip you chose to post as it was only part of it...I was reading the study.....Food is not ordinarily like a substance of abuse, but intermittent bingeing and deprivation changes that. Based on the observed behavioral and neurochemical similarities between the effects of intermittent sugar access and drugs of abuse, we suggest that sugar, as common as it is, nonetheless meets the criteria for a substance of abuse and may be “addictive” for some individuals when consumed in a “binge-like” manner.
the conclusion sheds more light on itFrom an evolutionary perspective, it is in the best interest of humans to have an inherent desire for food for survival. However, this desire may go awry, and certain people, including some obese and bulimic patients in particular, may develop an unhealthy dependence on palatable food that interferes with well-being. The concept of “food addiction” materialized in the diet industry on the basis of subjective reports, clinical accounts and case studies described in self-help books. The rise in obesity, coupled with the emergence of scientific findings of parallels between drugs of abuse and palatable foods has given credibility to this idea. The reviewed evidence supports the theory that, in some circumstances, intermittent access to sugar can lead to behavior and neurochemical changes that resemble the effects of a substance of abuse. According to the evidence in rats, intermittent access to sugar and chow is capable of producing a “dependency”. This was operationally defined by tests for bingeing, withdrawal, craving and cross-sensitization to amphetamine and alcohol. The correspondence to some people with binge eating disorder or bulimia is striking, but whether or not it is a good idea to call this a “food addiction” in people is both a scientific and societal question that has yet to be answered. What this review demonstrates is that rats with intermittent access to food and a sugar solution can show both a constellation of behaviors and parallel brain changes that are characteristic of rats that voluntarily self-administer addictive drugs. In the aggregrate, this is evidence that sugar can be addictive.
This is the conclusion which to me basically indicates that sugar is not evil but given certian predisposition to addiction a certian rats may react to it differently...given the chance to binge on sugar...then withdraw it from them completely...
how about they try moderation in the next study and see if the rats behave the same...
but even in the study conclusion they do not say humans get addicted to sugar...the quote is "unhealthy dependence"
Oh I'm so sorry... An "Unhealthy Dependence" is much better
:huh:
And this back and forth is getting just a bit annoying, don't you think? As I said before, agree to disagree. I'm out. Enjoy your blizzards :drinker:0 -
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
You can certainly survive without dietary sugar - in fact you can survive without dietary carbs of any source. It's may not be optimal but its certainly possible.
Most likely for a small set part of the population trying to survive without carbs would be very unhealthy given the displacement diet towards highly saturated fats. The American Heart Association, UK Stroke, German General Health have all outlined that no-carb diets are not a good idea because of this.
One might be able to survive without it, but carbs and sugar do have nutritional value. It's incorrect to state otherwise. They provide energy within the Krebs cycle.0 -
not what i said. im talking ADDED sugar (which comes from cane correct?), which is what is often over consumed because its added in high amounts.
i agree, we're talking about added sugar from cane here. you can get all you need from other sources
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
Ah, so cane sugar is the culprit?
There goes my rum.
So sugar DOES have nutritional value except when it comes from cane. OK.
and i said little, not none0 -
agree to disagree it is
you can make candy without sugar... you cant make french fries without the grease (at least not practically in a fast food restaurant)
those fats are present from the frying process of those foods, mcdonalds doesnt just inject lard into their burgers, in fact most fast producers are trying hard to reduce the amount of fats in their foods, the same cannot be said about most candy producers
what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
:huh:
Are you serious? Fast food (the only thing more demonized than sugar these days) isn't laden with fat? It's sugar adding all those calories to my burgers and fries? Is it sugar adding calories to my chips? Fat isn't just as predominate in baked goods and treats as sugar? Fried food isn't eaten to excess just like cookies and candy?
So the difference is that while fat is added it's added because that's what it takes to make those products (frying process) sugar is added to candy...to make those products?
Alright then.
this argument is getting a little redundant, most of what ive said applies to fast food as well, as ive said before.
I'm willing to admit this argument is a bit silly, but probably not for the reasons you think it is.0 -
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
You can certainly survive without dietary sugar - in fact you can survive without dietary carbs of any source. It's may not be optimal but its certainly possible.
Most likely for a small set part of the population trying to survive without carbs would be very unhealthy given the displacement diet towards highly saturated fats. The American Heart Association, UK Stroke, German General Health have all outlined that no-carb diets are not a good idea because of this.
One might be able to survive without it, but carbs and sugar do have nutritional value. It's incorrect to state otherwise. They provide energy within the Krebs cycle.
What's wrong with a diet high in saturated fats?
Agreed carbs do have nutritional value - simple sugar though does not! However those nutrients are available from other sources, but like I said it not optimal and I am certainly not advocating it - just pointing out that your initial statement was a little incorrect.
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