KATIE COURIC'S PERILS OF FOOD POLICS
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not what i said. im talking ADDED sugar (which comes from cane correct?), which is what is often over consumed because its added in high amounts.
i agree, we're talking about added sugar from cane here. you can get all you need from other sources
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
Ah, so cane sugar is the culprit?
There goes my rum.
So sugar DOES have nutritional value except when it comes from cane. OK.
So you are ok with high fructose CORN syrup?
How is added sugar, independent of source bad for you, if consumed in moderation.
My father doesn't calorie count, he is generally at a normal weight or under weight. He likes ice cream. Should I tell him to not eat the pint he has because somehow it is "bad" for him. If so, HOW? (Hint - it's over consumption of food that is the issue - not sugar)0 -
So Couric's show should only be about topics she is an expert on? That's never been a requirement for documentaries before, not sure why it would be now.
I'll watch this because it's a topic that's of interest to me and I have an open mind to see the various viewpoints presented.
Absolutely. Here however, at lovely MFP it's a total split if you talk about sugar-you're either for it or against it, love it or hate it, won't kill you or slowly kills you bit by bit. That seems to be the only view points (or so some would have it portrayed that way) and I'm sure this thread will turn into another ridiculous "good vs bad" issue when in reality your right, it's just a documentary.
Okay how about this.
Sugar, in moderation - it's not good and it's not bad!
In fact some might say it's our neutral buddy!
Well cut my legs off and call me Shorty! I agree with.....dat gum it......tennisdude. It is what makes my morning coffee sweeter and it is about as far as I need to go with sugar. Oh and it is in the fruit I eat. Beyond these things , and the hype, it is consumed in reasonable quantities by most folks.0 -
oh god, I saw her on O'reily last night ….this sounds like scaremongering bunch of Bs and just because Katie Couric is doing it everyone is going to think it is legit. She said on the factor that "calories in vs calories out" does not work for people and it about "quality" of calories and to avoid "added" sugar….I almost threw my remove through the TV. …
not at all shocked that Joanne is now endorsing this lunacy …
but in for more sugar fear mongering...
So, Katie, when people eat anything they want, in any quantity they want as long as it contains no sugar and gain weight, what crap will you then try and sell them? Calories in and calories out do and always will matter. I'm amazed that the main stream media is complicit in selling this snake oil to people. This "documentary" is no better than whatever fad diet others are shilling. There is no MAGIC BULLET. It's just a matter of creating a calorie deficit. A diet that does not do that will not work regardless of sugar content.0 -
oh god, I saw her on O'reily last night ….this sounds like scaremongering bunch of Bs and just because Katie Couric is doing it everyone is going to think it is legit. She said on the factor that "calories in vs calories out" does not work for people and it about "quality" of calories and to avoid "added" sugar….I almost threw my remove through the TV. …
not at all shocked that Joanne is now endorsing this lunacy …
but in for more sugar fear mongering...
So, Katie, when people eat anything they want, in any quantity they want as long as it contains no sugar and gain weight, what crap will you then try and sell them? Calories in and calories out do and always will matter. I'm amazed that the main stream media is complicit in selling this snake oil to people. This "documentary" is no better than whatever fad diet others are shilling. There is no MAGIC BULLET. It's just a matter of creating a calorie deficit. A diet that does not do that will not work regardless of sugar content.
Well then they come to MFP and go "I eat whole food, I cut out sugar and carbs, I work out, BUT I CAN'T LOSE WEIGHT!!! What am I doing wrong?"0 -
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
You can certainly survive without dietary sugar - in fact you can survive without dietary carbs of any source. It's may not be optimal but its certainly possible.
Most likely for a small set part of the population trying to survive without carbs would be very unhealthy given the displacement diet towards highly saturated fats. The American Heart Association, UK Stroke, German General Health have all outlined that no-carb diets are not a good idea because of this.
One might be able to survive without it, but carbs and sugar do have nutritional value. It's incorrect to state otherwise. They provide energy within the Krebs cycle.
What's wrong with a diet high in saturated fats?
Agreed carbs do have nutritional value - simple sugar though does not! However those nutrients are available from other sources, but like I said it not optimal and I am certainly not advocating it - just pointing out that your initial statement was a little incorrect.
To a large extent, nothing is wrong. However, there are two comments - given a general population not observing total energy balance, it I likely to result in calorie excess - the point is that the issue is not one food type or another but total consumption.
Second comment is that for a small part of the population lipid transport is such that it does result in increases in plasma cholesterol levels - hence the qualifier in my sentence "for a small part of the pop.."0 -
IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here
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C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)0 -
my point is that sugar is over consumed because producers add it to too many foods, when it is unnecessary, causing over consumption in many cases. a pint of ice cream in itself is not bad, that point has been established.
not what i said. im talking ADDED sugar (which comes from cane correct?), which is what is often over consumed because its added in high amounts.
i agree, we're talking about added sugar from cane here. you can get all you need from other sources
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
Ah, so cane sugar is the culprit?
There goes my rum.
So sugar DOES have nutritional value except when it comes from cane. OK.
So you are ok with high fructose CORN syrup?
How is added sugar, independent of source bad for you, if consumed in moderation.
My father doesn't calorie count, he is generally at a normal weight or under weight. He likes ice cream. Should I tell him to not eat the pint he has because somehow it is "bad" for him. If so, HOW? (Hint - it's over consumption of food that is the issue - not sugar)
i dont know enough about high fructose corn syrup to comment much, but the same principles apply0 -
oh god, I saw her on O'reily last night ….this sounds like scaremongering bunch of Bs and just because Katie Couric is doing it everyone is going to think it is legit. She said on the factor that "calories in vs calories out" does not work for people and it about "quality" of calories and to avoid "added" sugar….I almost threw my remove through the TV. …
not at all shocked that Joanne is now endorsing this lunacy …
but in for more sugar fear mongering...
So, Katie, when people eat anything they want, in any quantity they want as long as it contains no sugar and gain weight, what crap will you then try and sell them? Calories in and calories out do and always will matter. I'm amazed that the main stream media is complicit in selling this snake oil to people. This "documentary" is no better than whatever fad diet others are shilling. There is no MAGIC BULLET. It's just a matter of creating a calorie deficit. A diet that does not do that will not work regardless of sugar content.
Well then they come to MFP and go "I eat whole food, I cut out sugar and carbs, I work out, BUT I CAN'T LOSE WEIGHT!!! What am I doing wrong?"
So sad and yet so true!0 -
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
Well, except for the simple fact that one can't survive without sugars of some sort. Gluconeogenesis, it's a thing.
You can certainly survive without dietary sugar - in fact you can survive without dietary carbs of any source. It's may not be optimal but its certainly possible.
Most likely for a small set part of the population trying to survive without carbs would be very unhealthy given the displacement diet towards highly saturated fats. The American Heart Association, UK Stroke, German General Health have all outlined that no-carb diets are not a good idea because of this.
One might be able to survive without it, but carbs and sugar do have nutritional value. It's incorrect to state otherwise. They provide energy within the Krebs cycle.
What's wrong with a diet high in saturated fats?
Agreed carbs do have nutritional value - simple sugar though does not! However those nutrients are available from other sources, but like I said it not optimal and I am certainly not advocating it - just pointing out that your initial statement was a little incorrect.
To a large extent, nothing is wrong. However, there are two comments - given a general population not observing total energy balance, it I likely to result in calorie excess - the point is that the issue is not one food type or another but total consumption.
Second comment is that for a small part of the population lipid transport is such that it does result in increases in plasma cholesterol levels - hence the qualifier in my sentence "for a small part of the pop.."
A diet with limited carbs would probably lead to under consumption than over consumption IMO and my own general experience.
Additionally a diet high in sat fat and low in carbs has been shown to reduce levels of triglycerides and increase particle sizes of LDL's - so has a positive affect on overall cholesterol, how that would translate to the small part of the pop you mention - not sure?
Again IMO a healthy carb quantity for me is 50 - 150g daily - mainly from veg. I wouldn't advocate or try my self a no carb diet, but if I met someone that did, I would be suggesting they rush to complete their bucket list. lol0 -
This has been very entertaining, but now I have to go to work. I'll see y'all on my lunch hour.
Oh, and now I want to watch the documentary for some reason. I wouldn't have paid any attention to it but for this lively debate.0 -
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In the four pages of comments, did we ever figure out what polics are?
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what i said about sugar applies to everything. but you dont see producers adding in fats to their products, they add sugar
fat is necessary for us and has nutritional value, sugar does very little for us in a positive manner
i definitely agree, its just sugar is so easy to hide in almost anything without being noticed by the average person, and the fact that it can be addicting makes it easy to over consumei think the mfp community doesnt realize that for us, sugar may not be "bad" because we count calories and account for it in our daily totals, whereas someone who doesnt count calories doesnt necessarily know what is going into their bodies calorie wise, so a bit of sugar can make a large difference for them. this i believe is the main reason for the demonizing of sugar, if producers and institutions (schools ect.) cut back on the sugar output then I'm sure we would see a decrease in obesity rates.
though i definitely agree moderation should be the emphasis of any nutritional based documentary
This applies to everything. A bit of fat can make a huge difference. A bit of protein can make a difference. Excess carbs will make a difference.
I can easily take down a 10-12ounce steak and if I did that constantly I'd put on weight and yet I don't see documentaries about how steak is making me a fatass. (Or at least not one people take seriously. :indifferent: )
Yeah mean like fat?
That means it's not easy to hide in everything, isn't easy to over consume, and isn't so damn tasty that people add it to everything? Or are you just throwing out other stuff to take away from the fact that what you said about sugar also applies to fats?
There's a reason for that. Years ago, fat, particularly saturated fat, was demonized as being the thing that caused obesity and heart disease. Food producers who wanted to stay in business were forced to find a way to eliminate or reduce fat while still making their foods palatable. Enter sugar and sodium. That's why it happened.0 -
he wont, but i will, due to boredomIMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
1. i agree scare tactics can be the best way to motivate people, lies and manipulation aside sugar isnt the greatest for you
2. they never said overweight people are dumb. alot of people are confused about why they are overweight due to lack of knowledge about nutrition
3. sugar (among other foods) can trigger a dopeamine release in the brain (the same hormone release during sex, and yes, consumption of drugs) which gives the feeling of pleasure, which can be addicitive
4. this one i wont touch, i think they were referring to corporations in general
5. dont know much about monsanto, but they were referring to the genetic modification and chemical enhancement of seeds for crops that does occur. just look at corn stalks, before humans tampered with them they yielded 1 cob per stalk, now we can get upwards of 4
if you want people to respond, dont act like an asshat0 -
IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)0 -
I still find it hilarious that the "reasoning"and "arguments" to demonize sugar are identical to the ones used to demonize fat in the 70s. All it takes is a little critical thinking to realize that this whole concept is simply scare mongering to make profit. Look at the people interviewed in this documentary. Taubes, Lustig, etc. They all stand to make money off of this, because they've already monetized this viewpoint, and now Katie Couric's documentary will boost their profits higher.
Just like the "low fat" craze from the 80s wasn't based in real science, but was instead based on the massive amounts of money people could make pushing "low fat" products, now we have people making a killing off of "low carb" diets, books, paleo diets, and hundreds of other ways they can profit off of fear.0 -
if you want people to respond, dont act like an asshat
This works really well too ;-)0 -
The government doesn't produce food. Please explain how the government adds sugar to food it doesn't produce. You talked about "research" earlier in your post. If this is the conclusion you reached, then you may need to learn how to actually conduct research. Also, a major study was recently released proving once and for all that sugar is not addictive. Biased research leads to biased conclusions.IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)0 -
i for one would like to see this study, because by the mere definition of the word addictive, anything can be addictive
The government doesn't produce food. Please explain how the government adds sugar to food it doesn't produce. You talked about "research" earlier in your post. If this is the conclusion you reached, then you may need to learn how to actually conduct research. Also, a major study was recently released proving once and for all that sugar is not addictive. Biased research leads to biased conclusions.IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)0 -
The government doesn't produce food. Please explain how the government adds sugar to food it doesn't produce. You talked about "research" earlier in your post. If this is the conclusion you reached, then you may need to learn how to actually conduct research. Also, a major study was recently released proving once and for all that sugar is not addictive. Biased research leads to biased conclusions.IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)
I work for the united states goverment goverment at a research facility. I make food. I grow things in petri dishes that end up in MREs and feed our military personel. So, I guess you can say that the goverment produces food.
Not sure what reserach you are refencing... again, I said IN MY OPINION sugar is addictive to ME, personally. Look up the definition of addictive - thats what sugar was for me. Not sure why so many people are having a hard time understanding this...it has nothing to do with any one other than me, though i would argue there's probably someone else on this planet that has found themselves in the same situation I was in.0 -
i for one would like to see this study, because by the mere definition of the word addictive, anything can be addictive
The government doesn't produce food. Please explain how the government adds sugar to food it doesn't produce. You talked about "research" earlier in your post. If this is the conclusion you reached, then you may need to learn how to actually conduct research. Also, a major study was recently released proving once and for all that sugar is not addictive. Biased research leads to biased conclusions.IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)
Please post the study I would like to see that one as well. 0 -
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i for one would like to see this study, because by the mere definition of the word addictive, anything can be addictive
The government doesn't produce food. Please explain how the government adds sugar to food it doesn't produce. You talked about "research" earlier in your post. If this is the conclusion you reached, then you may need to learn how to actually conduct research. Also, a major study was recently released proving once and for all that sugar is not addictive. Biased research leads to biased conclusions.IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)
And thus the word is meaningless.0 -
So Couric's show should only be about topics she is an expert on? That's never been a requirement for documentaries before, not sure why it would be now.
I'll watch this because it's a topic that's of interest to me and I have an open mind to see the various viewpoints presented.
Absolutely. Here however, at lovely MFP it's a total split if you talk about sugar-you're either for it or against it, love it or hate it, won't kill you or slowly kills you bit by bit. That seems to be the only view points (or so some would have it portrayed that way) and I'm sure this thread will turn into another ridiculous "good vs bad" issue when in reality your right, it's just a documentary.
Well there are some of us that don't give sugar much thought...well at least one.
I rarely am over on my sugar unless I eat watermelon!
I don't avoid sugar...I just tend not to eat high sugar items.0 -
how so? its a descriptor. by your logic meaningless is a useless word because anything can be meaningless
i for one would like to see this study, because by the mere definition of the word addictive, anything can be addictive
The government doesn't produce food. Please explain how the government adds sugar to food it doesn't produce. You talked about "research" earlier in your post. If this is the conclusion you reached, then you may need to learn how to actually conduct research. Also, a major study was recently released proving once and for all that sugar is not addictive. Biased research leads to biased conclusions.IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)
And thus the word is meaningless.0 -
Oh I'm so sorry... An "Unhealthy Dependence" is much better
:huh:
And this back and forth is getting just a bit annoying, don't you think? As I said before, agree to disagree. I'm out. Enjoy your blizzards :drinker:
I had one Sunday afternoon....Chocolate Xtreme, it was fantastic. :drinker:0 -
you havent backed up any of your claims either i see. what she said has alot more merit to it than anything you have said.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)
Why should I personally message you? You made your statements here, do you not want to discuss them here? Personally I prefer educating people who might read your post as to how inaccurate it is, so others don't fall for the same lies you have.
Again, the government does not add sugar to food. Private companies make and sell food. This is a fact, it's not up for debate. You're just wrong.
I am a happy, non-miserable person. I called your beliefs dumb, because they are. Same as I would to someone who thinks the Earth is flat. You being wrong about something does not make me an unhappy, mean person.
All the name calling in the world won't make what you said right. And while I may not have held your hand and said, "Aw honey, it's ok. You go right on believing any false thing that makes you happy!" that doesn't make me mean. If anything you could probably use more people in your life who are straight and honest with you, as opposed to feeling that manipulating the facts is ok so long as it inspires some kind of change in your life.
Learn more, believe facts.
and calling someones thoughts and opinions dumb is different than being straight and honest with someone. telling someone calmly and cooly that they have been misinformed isnt babying them. thats why people think you are miserable, because the way you treat others reflects upon your own personal life0 -
I just realized that the route from my new gym to the grocery store has a DQ on the way...
Oh I'm so sorry... An "Unhealthy Dependence" is much better
:huh:
And this back and forth is getting just a bit annoying, don't you think? As I said before, agree to disagree. I'm out. Enjoy your blizzards :drinker:
I had one Sunday afternoon....Chocolate Xtreme, it was fantastic. :drinker:
I eat sugar in moderation and when it fits into my calories (mostly). It has not hindered my loss in any way.
Yes, excess sugar can be bad, as can excess complex carbs, excess fat, and excess protein. I think the biggest reason that people become obese is that they are not consciously aware of what they are putting in their mouths, how many calories it contains, and if it has the correct macro breakdown to sustain satiety and prevent overconsumption at a later time (when they're hungry again in 2 hours).0 -
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)
Why should I personally message you? You made your statements here, do you not want to discuss them here? Personally I prefer educating people who might read your post as to how inaccurate it is, so others don't fall for the same lies you have.
Again, the government does not add sugar to food. Private companies make and sell food. This is a fact, it's not up for debate. You're just wrong.
I am a happy, non-miserable person. I called your beliefs dumb, because they are. Same as I would to someone who thinks the Earth is flat. You being wrong about something does not make me an unhappy, mean person.
All the name calling in the world won't make what you said right. And while I may not have held your hand and said, "Aw honey, it's ok. You go right on believing any false thing that makes you happy!" that doesn't make me mean. If anything you could probably use more people in your life who are straight and honest with you, as opposed to feeling that manipulating the facts is ok so long as it inspires some kind of change in your life.
Learn more, believe facts.
I got to go have a meeting with the research leader - apparently my job here doesn't actually exist! All this time... I've been driving all the way here and going through the motions for nothing - I must have been dreaming this entire time - this entire government facility is a facade, a huge holgrame, a figment of my imagination?? Who knows, Im just glad there are so many better educated people out there than I who can point out that what i do for a living is actually just a scene from the god damned movie the matrix. Im going to go eat a candy bar and see if i can fly.0 -
The government doesn't produce food. Please explain how the government adds sugar to food it doesn't produce. You talked about "research" earlier in your post. If this is the conclusion you reached, then you may need to learn how to actually conduct research. Also, a major study was recently released proving once and for all that sugar is not addictive. Biased research leads to biased conclusions.IMO - just watched the trailer and I like it.
A. its a "documentary", the only way to get a good portion of people to actualyl WATCH something is by using scare tactics (see "any news station" for an example)
B: I'll generalize here and say that a good portion of people who are obese have no idea how they got that way, and they might need to be "scared" a little to make a change... it's a learning process, change is the first step, they will learn more and more about truths as they go (just like all of us on here )
C. I, personally, think sugar is addictive, if you look up the definition of addictive - IMO
D. The trailer I watched opened to discuss that a good amount of foods have "added sugar" - I didn't feel it was attacking sugar AT ALL, but more attacking the goverment for "adding sugar' where its not necessary - I totally, 100% agree - the government does a lot of F-ed up *kitten* to get us to consume, Im not a a parent, but if I was, I think I would feel ashamed if the only way I could get my kid to drink milk was by adding nestle strawberry syrup to it.... sugar is good, sugar is great, kids can have sugar - but theres something to be said when it becomes NECESSARY to add it to foods just to get kids to eat it.... again, IMO
E. I hate, hate, hate, Monsanto and wish I knew a lot less about what's happening to our seeds than I do - these two items are unrelated, but, I like to think that this news documentary is just setting a table to get people talking about bigger issues... I mean thay have to start somewhere - why not sugar - its something everyone, regarless of "class" can relate to and everyone can afford... if that makes sence, it does in my head, not to go all conspiracy theory, but i hope Im on to something here...
To sum up your views:
1. You need to scare people to get them to pay attention. If this involves lies or deceitful manipulation that's alright.
2. You think overweight people are dumb and don't know why they're overweight. (so somehow blaming things that aren't the reason for them being overweight will help them...something)
3. You put sugar in the same category as drugs and alcohol.
4. You think the government adds sugar to the foods produced and sold by private businesses. Because... honestly I got nothing for that one. That's just really dumb.
5. Monsanto's bad, because seeds. So the government needs to stop putting sugar in the food we buy.
You desperately need to educate yourself beyond propaganda. It's made you believe in complete nonsense.
Sure buddy, thats your opinion of my views - I don't agree with your "summation", and I find your comments rude and false, but you are totally entiteled to believe what ever crap about me that you want! Smile more! Be miserable less :-)
So nothing about how government adds sugar to the foods we eat? I mean you said it, it's right there.
Nothing about obese people not being smart enough to know that eating too much has made them obese?
If you can't be bothered to defend your views, don't state them in the first place.
Is there anything more cowardly then putting forth your view on things and when challenged on them saying, "Smile more!" I'm not miserable. It's dishonest of you to infer that because unlike you I understand how food works.
"You're rude" = I can't back up the outlandish claims I make.
Maybe you should send me a personal message if you have issue? I didnt make outlandish claims, i expressed m,y opinion - and yes, I felt you were rude because of the personal attack, not because i couldnt "back up outlandish claims" as you put it
I was obese - and I didnt know how i got that way, neither did many of my obbese friends. We werent dumb, we werent stupid, we just didnt understand. I didnt call us, obese people, dumb.
The goverment adds sugar to food, yes, ok....so...what more do you want? I don't know what "private businesses" you are talking about??? i dont really care though so there that...
yes, i place, for me personally, sugar in the same catagorie as drugs and alcohol - sure - however you see addictive, like i said, if you look up the definition of addictive, thats how i feel about sugar, for me, personally, IMO.
Your comment about Monsanto makes no sence to me so Im not sure how to respond.... I dont know what you want me to defend. Its my opinion, like i said over and over.... I work in a lab and alter food, so, its just something of interest to me because its essentially my life...
And obviously scaring people gets their attention otherwise they wouldnt do it - this is how the news works, its a bunch of bull **** - all you have to do it watch it to see that.
Smile more - be less miserable :-)
I work for the united states goverment goverment at a research facility. I make food. I grow things in petri dishes that end up in MREs and feed our military personel. So, I guess you can say that the goverment produces food.
Not sure what reserach you are refencing... again, I said IN MY OPINION sugar is addictive to ME, personally. Look up the definition of addictive - thats what sugar was for me. Not sure why so many people are having a hard time understanding this...it has nothing to do with any one other than me, though i would argue there's probably someone else on this planet that has found themselves in the same situation I was in.
MREs aren't food. Anyone who has eaten one could tell you that.0
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