How do you feel about fat pride?

MrTolerable

Was staying out of it until the statement about soldiers offing themselves being weak.

Just like you were/are in the military and take offense to certain statements, I work in suicide prevention, specifically with soldiers, and I take offense to your ignorant statement.

Far from ignorant and quite informed, suicide prevention is part of our trainning (quarterly) when active duty. I made it clear that it was in my oppinion. You can like my oppinion or lump it, it matters not to me but back up when you call me something like ignorant. I am ignorant of a lot of things. I have been suicidal myself. Yes I can still be that callous after that. Because I learned that when you kill yourself you kill your family your friends and every wonderful memory you where involved in. So yes I call it weak minded, because I have been there and done that. Those soldiers are a damn site stronger thay you obviously give them credit for. So take your label/ accusation of ignorance and shove it! (Now I'm angry)

I personally think that suicide and suicide prevention are also very worthy topics, they happen to be close to my heart, but what the heck do they have to do with fat acceptance? I think we are in full thread derail mode at this point.

The topic got derailed a long time ago when wars were brought up :laugh:

War is the continuation of fat acceptance by other means

^yeah what the smarter guy said!

@ribqah -
1st off brah ... I'm a diehard libertarian - I'm not promoting legislating anything lolzzz

2nd.. Obesity is repulsive bro?! smells bad, its unhealthy, it looks disgusting... I'm blunt about hating it because I hate it.. its absolutely nasty.. the individual that is in a cycle of pain and hurt living like that? - I feel empathy for them!


"If someone else wants to embrace his/her weight and say "I don't want to change," so what?! It's none of my business -- just like it's not my business to try to deflate the ego of some guy spending his time on a forum talking about his clothes, his 28" waist, his self-flirtation in the mirror, and his belief that his physique rivals Michelangelo's David. His self-opinion may not match my opinion of him, but if he wants to love himself a lot as he is, it's not my job to point out what I perceive as personal deficiencies in order to try to make his self-opinion match mine. I say, let him love himself. His self-esteem is not a threat to me. "

:frown:
you don't think I could be the next rival to Michelangelo's David?


- LOLZ I'm just flattered you listened to me ramble on about my love for myself.

:drinker:

Read on I'm sure your in for more treats!

I feel almost like you should be grounded for life or something...I'm speechless. :noway:

IDK..about being grounded..

now if you would have said spanked...

TheVirgoddess

I feel almost like you should be grounded for life or something...I'm speechless. :noway:

Don't mind him - he's still trying to learn how to be a decent human being.

blondageh

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

MrTolerable

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

no one I think would argue with you on that.

@TheVirgoddess: i'm trying!:flowerforyou:

daviddjhonna

IDK..about being grounded..

now if you would have said spanked...

:noway: You have got to be kidding me.......:laugh: Now how am I supposed to stay on topic. I cant stop laughing.

TheVirgoddess

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

daviddjhonna

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

no one I think would argue with you on that.

@TheVirgoddess: i'm trying!:flowerforyou:

No, someone is bound to have an opposing opinion about it. :laugh:

salembambi

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

daviddjhonna

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

You just gave me an ahah momment. Until you pointed it out (society: be yourself, Society: no not like that) , I just accepted the push and shove like the rest of the masses. So twisted.

TheVirgoddess

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

I didn't say that reflected my opinion - I was saying that's what was going on in this thread.

If you read any of my posts in this forum, you'll see I'm firmly in the "be exactly who you are and rock the crap out of it" camp.

daviddjhonna

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

I didn't say that reflected my opinion - I was saying that's what was going on in this thread.

If you read any of my posts in this forum, you'll see I'm firmly in the "be exactly who you are and rock the crap out of it" camp.

I dont think she meant you specifically. I think it was just a statement. Because when you really look at it. Society is that way

MrTolerable

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

If someone wants to be proud of their fat... *thinks back to when I was 185 lbs and wonders why someone would want to be proud about being overweight* ... then sure they can be proud of that, I think it would be artificial...

I think what they were arguing though is being proud in themselves *despite being fat.

and people can't allow others to love themselves?! Only the individual can love themselves...

society society.. culture culture... collective grouping much?


Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control

SunofaBeach14

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

I think one can take pride in who he/she is as a person and love him/herself while simultaneously taking a realistic assessment of his/her unhealthy habits. I think that the movement is relying on a false dichotomy between obesity promotion and fat shaming.

daviddjhonna

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

If someone wants to be proud of their fat... *thinks back to when I was 185 lbs and wonders why someone would want to be proud about being overweight* ... then sure they can be proud of that, I think it would be artificial...

I think what they were arguing though is being proud in themselves *despite being fat.

and people can't allow others to love themselves?! Only the individual can love themselves...

society society.. culture culture... collective grouping much?


Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control

HEY Im 188 and I am proud of this body! I like to think Im the new Mae West.
As for collective grouping, think of advertisement companies as the society/ culture everyone talks about. In all honest, it is the media that dictates what we believe is beautiful, and worthy of admiration. We as a society have abandoned our own common sense. As the saying goes, "Common sense isnt too common".

daviddjhonna

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

I think one can take pride in who he/she is as a person and love him/herself while simultaneously taking a realistic assessment of his/her unhealthy habits. I think that the movement is relying on a false dichotomy between obesity promotion and fat shaming.

Its possible, but when you vilify the individual for being in that current state. Despite working to improve it, then there is a problem.

TheVirgoddess

Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control

Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.

You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.

This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.

You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.

SunofaBeach14

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

I think one can take pride in who he/she is as a person and love him/herself while simultaneously taking a realistic assessment of his/her unhealthy habits. I think that the movement is relying on a false dichotomy between obesity promotion and fat shaming.

Its possible, but when you vilify the individual for being in that current state. Despite working to improve it, then there is a problem.

Again, I think that's a false dichotomy. I'm certainly not vilifying anyone, quite the opposite, but I don't think that obesity promotion is something I can support.

MrTolerable

I didn't read the 16 pages.. but this is what jumped out at me in the story:

"Fat acceptance is the radical notion that fat people are human beings and deserve respect,"

WHY is this so radical?

That is sad that seeing fat people as human beings that deserve respect is considered "radical". :frown:

Because people are interpreting it as "proud of being fat" rather than "not letting the label fat define you".

what is wrong with someone who feels proud of their body & its fat? why is it okay for other body types to be proud of their body but not fat people of their fattness? all this concern trolling health stuff is old and tired ...people need to allow others to love themselves as they are not constantly screaming "you can like you but you need to change you to really like you " .

society : be yourself
society: no not like that

If someone wants to be proud of their fat... *thinks back to when I was 185 lbs and wonders why someone would want to be proud about being overweight* ... then sure they can be proud of that, I think it would be artificial...

I think what they were arguing though is being proud in themselves *despite being fat.

and people can't allow others to love themselves?! Only the individual can love themselves...

society society.. culture culture... collective grouping much?


Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control

HEY Im 188 and I am proud of this body! I like to think Im the new Mae West.
As for collective grouping, think of advertisement companies as the society/ culture everyone talks about. In all honest, it is the media that dictates what we believe is beautiful, and worthy of admiration. We as a society have abandoned our own common sense. As the saying goes, "Common sense isnt too common".

Having a degree in marketing :smokin: ,lolz - not going to delve deeper into that though due to the trumping of a fellow SOB up in here ... but I will say that big pharma and these binge food places have done a remarkable job of not making it clear what is beautiful and worthy of admiration... rather they have made people feel complacent and apathetic with their appearance where they are willing to accept themselves having tons of pills and food consumed on the daily and think healthy people are "too skinny" ..and eating fast food and taking prescription drugs is normal.

the new "curves is cool culture" ... not that curves are not cool, its just that we call fat curves now!

daviddjhonna

Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control

Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.

You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.

This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.

You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.

Just remember he is young. Stay amused by some of those notions and you will never get irritated.
Its very true that some medical situations can cause obesity. Anywhere from lack of hormones due to hysterectomy to thyroid issues, to epileptic medications. The list goes on and on. None of them are the results of being lazy, over indulgence, emotional eating (which I have never understood), or lack of self control. There are health problems due to obesity and then there are those that cause the obesity.

TheVirgoddess

Oh I'm not irritated at Scottie - I know he's learning. I'm actively trying to teach him how not to be a jerk (you should have seen some of his past posts/threads). We have a weird sort of friendship going on.

MrTolerable

Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control

Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.

You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.

This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.

You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.

You know how I became a drug addict? I was treating a symptom of my body as well - sleep deprivation!

Plagued with a case of insomnia that was unworldly, forced to drink and use daily just to pass out at night.. I actually started a thread on sleeping just today.

MrTolerable

Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control

Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.

You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.

This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.

You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.

Just remember he is young. Stay amused by some of those notions and you will never get irritated.
Its very true that some medical situations can cause obesity. Anywhere from lack of hormones due to hysterectomy to thyroid issues, to epileptic medications. The list goes on and on. None of them are the results of being lazy, over indulgence, emotional eating (which I have never understood), or lack of self control. There are health problems due to obesity and then there are those that cause the obesity.

^however this is true.

*as I was*
:embarassed:

MrTolerable

Oh I'm not irritated at Scottie - I know he's learning. I'm actively trying to teach him how not to be a jerk (you should have seen some of his past posts/threads). We have a weird sort of friendship going on.

:smooched:

daviddjhonna

Having a degree in marketing :smokin: ,lolz - not going to delve deeper into that though due to the trumping of a fellow SOB up in hear ... but I will say that big pharma and these binge food places have done a remarkable job of not making it clear what is beautiful and worthy of admiration... rather they have made people feel complacent and apathetic with their appearance where they are willing to accept themselves having tons of pills and food consumed on the daily and think healthy people are "too skinny" ..and eating fast food and taking prescription drugs is normal.

the new "curves is cool culture" ... not that curves are not cool, its just that we call fat curves now!

As long as you remain healthy in your activities, understand moderation, and eat healthy, you being overweight is not something to be ashamed of or to be shamed by others about. I am what my husband calls thick, definition, just this side of fat to be sexy. Now this is a matter of opinion, and like the saying goes, "opinions are like bootys, everybody has one". You may see my size and think its disgusting (not that I give a damn). Then see a woman just a bit smaller and think she is the bees knees. Your statement is a reflection of opinoin (the last part). I wont denigh that all you can eat joints and big pharma are trying to say ignore the issue of unhealthy obesity but you should also know that there are those that are obese that are healthy.

toutmonpossible

I believe in fat tolerance but not fat pride. The fat acceptance people I encounter, usually on the Internet or on TV, believe that they're healthy and will remain so even though that is patently not true. They think the solution is for government and private establishments to install bigger subway, train, and airline seats instead of dealing with themselves. I particularly worry about the habits that they are passing on to their children.

We live in a culture in which it's easy to become overweight. People should get help from public and private programs. But it starts with individual responsibility.

TheVirgoddess

Where I have a problem is if they want to be proud of being obese... it would be like a dope fiend acting like he is proud of his track marks in his arm... smh.. makes no sense.. the fat itself is just a symptom of a major problem... that ONLY can be rectified with self-control

Being obese is in no way equal to drug addiction.

You want to know how I got fat? Sleep deprivation - in the severe category (formally diagnosed by my physician). My brain was never actually resting, which greatly screws your hormones (among other things). It also caused me to become severely depressed and moderately to severely anxious.

This wasn't a matter of me stuffing my face every day without a care in the world. I've never been an over-eater, or an emotional eater or a lazy person. And it wasn't a matter of self control.

You have a lot of preconceived notions about people and why they are the way they are. Not everyone is going to fit into a little box like you'd like them to. Your life will be infinitely easier when you accept that everyone has a story that's worth considering and snap judgements are usually wrong.

You know how I became a drug addict? I was treating a symptom of my body as well - sleep deprivation!

Plagued with a case of insomnia that was unworldly, forced to drink and use daily just to pass out at night.. I actually started a thread on sleeping just today.

Mine is a direct result from a brain condition I have called Chiari Malformation (my skull is malformed, so it's squishing my brain stem, which screws up stuff for me like swallowing (lol), headaches, falling, speech issues, etc). We didn't have medical insurance, so I couldn't get anything to waylay the pain or side effects. It sucks that lack of insurance led to me being overweight, but there ya go. S*it happens. Now I just have to work hard to get even hotter than I already am (if that's even possible )

daviddjhonna

Oh I'm not irritated at Scottie - I know he's learning. I'm actively trying to teach him how not to be a jerk (you should have seen some of his past posts/threads). We have a weird sort of friendship going on.

Good we can teach together-:bigsmile:

lewispwest

I believe in fat tolerance but not fat pride.

This.

If you're happy with being fat, good for you. If you're actively trying to promote obesity as a desirable lifestyle then it's ridiculous.

Obviously each to their own.

samanthaxb

Being fat isn't always the same as being unhealthy. Being thin isn't always healthy.

Fat pride seems to be about tying self esteem to something BESIDES your weight just as Black Pride isn't about black supremacy and Gay Pride isn't about an anti-straight agenda.

I think its healthy and, if anything, can be far more motivating when it comes to healthy behavior than fat shaming.

YES

toutmonpossible

Having a degree in marketing :smokin: ,lolz - not going to delve deeper into that though due to the trumping of a fellow SOB up in hear ... but I will say that big pharma and these binge food places have done a remarkable job of not making it clear what is beautiful and worthy of admiration... rather they have made people feel complacent and apathetic with their appearance where they are willing to accept themselves having tons of pills and food consumed on the daily and think healthy people are "too skinny" ..and eating fast food and taking prescription drugs is normal.

the new "curves is cool culture" ... not that curves are not cool, its just that we call fat curves now!

As long as you remain healthy in your activities, understand moderation, and eat healthy, you being overweight is not something to be ashamed of or to be shamed by others about. I am what my husband calls thick, definition, just this side of fat to be sexy. Now this is a matter of opinion, and like the saying goes, "opinions are like bootys, everybody has one". You may see my size and think its disgusting (not that I give a damn). Then see a woman just a bit smaller and think she is the bees knees. Your statement is a reflection of opinoin (the last part). I wont denigh that all you can eat joints and big pharma are trying to say ignore the issue of unhealthy obesity but you should also know that there are those that are obese that are healthy.

What constitutes a medically healthy weight is a not a matter of mere opinion. It is based on observing people who are overweight and noting what the excess weight does to their bodies: Their joints, hormonal systems, vascular system, etc.