OK Ladies...Be HONEST!!

TheVirgoddess

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

What does one have to do with the other?

Women think Speedo's are gross = an opinion about a piece of clothing that in no way represents the desires/wants/consent of the person wearing it.

Men think women dressing in tight clothing = said woman "wanting the looks" they get, so assigning desires/wants/consent to another person based on their clothing.

See the difference here? You're comparing apples to sheetrock.

I think the differentiation is that women can wear tight clothes without seeing a clear-as-day outline of their genitals. One of the advantages of having our reproductive organs on the inside :glasses:

Not quite true. Nipples, you know.

Right, but my point was that the person I quoted said women who dress in a certain way "wanted" looks/attention. I was merely pointing out the fallacy in his argument. Women aren't passing judgement on a man when they say that Speedo's are unattractive, they are commenting on the piece of clothing, not the motivation or wants of the person wearing said clothing (like he was doing).

rexroars

Also for the love of god, maybe some women enjoy attention for how they dress, but tighter clothes are more goddamn comfortable. Loose clothing rubs against my skin and feels really bad.

Men: women are not thinking about you 100% of the time. Not all of their decisions are about you.

notamoment

Also for the love of god, maybe some women enjoy attention for how they dress, but tighter clothes are more goddamn comfortable. Loose clothing rubs against my skin and feels really bad.

Men: women are not thinking about you 100% of the time. Not all of their decisions are about you.

Your not lieing lol i hate hate HATE baggy sweat pants getting in my way im always pulling them up at the thighs.

likitisplit

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

What does one have to do with the other?

Women think Speedo's are gross = an opinion about a piece of clothing that in no way represents the desires/wants/consent of the person wearing it.

Men think women dressing in tight clothing = said woman "wanting the looks" they get, so assigning desires/wants/consent to another person based on their clothing.

See the difference here? You're comparing apples to sheetrock.

I think the differentiation is that women can wear tight clothes without seeing a clear-as-day outline of their genitals. One of the advantages of having our reproductive organs on the inside :glasses:

Not quite true. Nipples, you know.

Right, but my point was that the person I quoted said women who dress in a certain way "wanted" looks/attention. I was merely pointing out the fallacy in his argument. Women aren't passing judgement on a man when they say that Speedo's are unattractive, they are commenting on the piece of clothing, not the motivation or wants of the person wearing said clothing (like he was doing).

Your point was spot on.

The next post suggested part of the difference was the gender difference in genitalia.

I provided an example that disproved that theory.

But the digression had nothing to do with the fact that saying "deriding a fashion choice" is the same thing as "inferring consent even if the person protests" is ridiculous.

rexroars

Your not lieing lol i hate hate HATE baggy sweat pants getting in my way im always pulling them up at the thighs.

THANK YOU. I sometimes get a rash if my clothes are too loose. Sweat + rubbing fabric is so gross. Also, another thing - to me having sleeves at all is really gross when I'm sweating a ton. It's like just armpit waterfalls.

Tanktops = avoiding armpit sweat ponds. Tanktops DO NOT mean trying to please men.

doyabad86

I don't have a problem if someone is looking as long as they don't try to actually hit on me or follow me around the gym. A good rule of thumb is just don't be a creeper, or if you can't help it and your just naturally creepy, don't get caught lol. I think the thing that bothers me more than guys/girls looking or not looking are the guys/girls that come to the gym for the sole purpose to be looked at. You have all seen the girl that spent more time doing her hair and make-up than actually working out. She is wearing a matching, next-to-nothing, sports bra and boyshort panty, has the outfit down like she's going to go hard on a workout but then hasn't a clue how to lift or operate a machine. If your looking for a man wait outside the gym for one to come out. Don't tie up the machines with your lurking and attention seeking. Some of us here actually wanna workout when we go to the gym!

SassyCalyGirl

I don't pay attention to other people. So unless you're being overtly creepy I wouldn't even notice.

*leer*

Leering is subtle. Nice try.

so you do pay attention!

BusyRaeNOTBusty

Both I'm guessing LOL. Guys don't get nearly as much attention so I'm guessing it wouldn't be a big deal.

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

So if you DO wear a Speedo, are you looking to get more attention? More attention from large men that might have the power and the desire to rape you?

Of course he doesn't want attention. It's all about improving the speed of his laps.

Right. Of course. And if this guy (on the right) shows up to the pool and starts creeping, saying "damn boy" and winking while staring at the grape smuggler and says "he was asking for it by the way he was dressed".....

MireyGal76

Getting off fitness gear, why is it women can wear skirts to the office but men can't wear shorts? Is it more professional to see a woman's legs than a man's?

Probably because it used to be required that women wear skirts in most workplaces and it's just one of those commonly accepted things now.

Interesting point you make.

This is kind of what I was driving at before, perhaps poorly. There's a subtle sexualized component to lots of commonly accepted practices. They're so integrated at this point we don't even question them. I'm sure this is true for workout clothes as much as it is office attire.

Radical feminists are the reason women are even allowed to wear pants, have jobs, own property, or get credit.

I also think you are confusing two things:

On one hand, you keep talking about societal gender norms. I would agree with you that these are a problem. Our concepts of "men" and "women" really disadvantage women and men both in a lot of ways.

On the other hand, you insinuate that women who dress a certain way are wanting attention. This is an epic fail on your part.


AND I'm out!

Like I said earlier. The girl in the sports bra and spandex shorts that are basically panties wants more looks than the girl in sweats and tanktop. The girl at the beach in a thong and ultra tiny top wants more attention then the girl in a two piece. I'm not making a value judgement on them for it just pointing out the obvious.

So, I can ogle the guy in a speedo but not the guy in trunks?

[sarcasm]
not only can you ogle him... but maybe you should go up and grab his *kitten* and wink while you're at it. Or tell him you want to take him home for some real good cardio.
[/sarcasm]

likitisplit

Both I'm guessing LOL. Guys don't get nearly as much attention so I'm guessing it wouldn't be a big deal.

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

So if you DO wear a Speedo, are you looking to get more attention? More attention from large men that might have the power and the desire to rape you?

Of course he doesn't want attention. It's all about improving the speed of his laps.

Right. Of course. And if this guy (on the right) shows up to the pool and starts creeping, saying "damn boy" and winking while staying at the grape smuggler and says "he was asking for it by the way he was dressed".....

Then we will all ask whether he has a picture of his quads or booty on MFP.

likitisplit

Getting off fitness gear, why is it women can wear skirts to the office but men can't wear shorts? Is it more professional to see a woman's legs than a man's?

Probably because it used to be required that women wear skirts in most workplaces and it's just one of those commonly accepted things now.

Interesting point you make.

This is kind of what I was driving at before, perhaps poorly. There's a subtle sexualized component to lots of commonly accepted practices. They're so integrated at this point we don't even question them. I'm sure this is true for workout clothes as much as it is office attire.

Radical feminists are the reason women are even allowed to wear pants, have jobs, own property, or get credit.

I also think you are confusing two things:

On one hand, you keep talking about societal gender norms. I would agree with you that these are a problem. Our concepts of "men" and "women" really disadvantage women and men both in a lot of ways.

On the other hand, you insinuate that women who dress a certain way are wanting attention. This is an epic fail on your part.


AND I'm out!

Like I said earlier. The girl in the sports bra and spandex shorts that are basically panties wants more looks than the girl in sweats and tanktop. The girl at the beach in a thong and ultra tiny top wants more attention then the girl in a two piece. I'm not making a value judgement on them for it just pointing out the obvious.

So, I can ogle the guy in a speedo but not the guy in trunks?

[sarcasm]
not only can you ogle him... but maybe you should go up and grab his *kitten* and wink while you're at it. Or tell him you want to take him home for some real good cardio.
[/sarcasm]

But only if I'm cute enough, right?

Z_I_L_L_A

As for the big dude. Its an animal thing. As Vin Diesel would say.

Edmond_Dantes

True, very true.

Z_I_L_L_A

Most guys in the gym aren't like that. They just wanna workout and dream about winning the olympics or Olympia,lol. I also have a friend that likes body building and he says that women stare non stop at him. So he puts his hoodie on and music in and keeps his head down. He said in the beginning it was okay but now it gets on his nerves.

Me, I just wanna not be bothered and workout.

lol, Z. really? who's not gonna look at the hulk making a comeback? I'm surprised the little wee folk don't go running for the hills when you walk into the gym. The sonic booms from your tire flipping are scary enough, God forbid you flex in front of a dude like the OP, he'd faint.

Gods of lifting don't even notice when they are being spied upon. Usually our massively impressive lifts and workouts are so intimidating the creep's eyeballs will explode out of their head, causing death, and we Gods will only notice the pile of dead bodies after our workouts are done when we have to step over them to exit the gym.

T omg, love you gurl!

MireyGal76

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

What does one have to do with the other?

Women think Speedo's are gross = an opinion about a piece of clothing that in no way represents the desires/wants/consent of the person wearing it.

Men think women dressing in tight clothing = said woman "wanting the looks" they get, so assigning desires/wants/consent to another person based on their clothing.

See the difference here? You're comparing apples to sheetrock.

I think the differentiation is that women can wear tight clothes without seeing a clear-as-day outline of their genitals. One of the advantages of having our reproductive organs on the inside :glasses:

Not quite true. Nipples, you know.

I referred to this earlier. Breasts outlined in tight clothing are acceptable in public, and often expected (based on societal fashion).
Nipples are often hidden by padded bras. I know that I have one bra that does not do a good job hiding them, and I actually noticed a decided increase in the number of times people went out of their way to say something. (I thought it was my lipgloss actually. LOL)

If a man wears an outfit that gives that sort of outline (typically only speedos leave that great an impression) people often say it's gross. And that is WRONG. There is nothing about the male or female body that is GROSS.

But I do imagine that it is a contributing factor as to why men wear compression shorts UNDER their baggy ones to the gym, and not just something similar to a compression short on it's own. Socially it seems to be more of a faux-pas for a man to wear tight shorts outside of "accepted" sports - i.e. cycling for one.

MEN - can you contribute to that theory?

dbmata

I actually exercise in a bra and panties. In my basement.

7pm tonight, and I'll leave the shades open a crack, dbmata.

Sweet, once I'm done making this immersion chiller, i'll get my camera! Wooow.

Actually, no, my hams are not happy after last night. LOL.

TheVirgoddess

Also for the love of god, maybe some women enjoy attention for how they dress, but tighter clothes are more goddamn comfortable. Loose clothing rubs against my skin and feels really bad.

Men: women are not thinking about you 100% of the time. Not all of their decisions are about you.

This is a big part of my point. People should dress how they want to (for attention, for comfort, for style) and not have to worry about assumptions being made about their motives (by men AND by women).

I used to be one of those women who would look at a girl with a short skirt and shake my head. One day I realized what an a*s I was being. If she wanted to rock a short skirt - that's her prerogative and my judgement was a reflection of myself and not her.

People should wear whatever they want to wear and be safe, secure and judgement free. Hopefully one day we'll get there.

AllOutof_Bubblegum

Don't mind it t all. It's actually a huge ego boost, when done appropriately, i.e.: no lewd comments or gestures. but a good once-over is very flattering, and makes me work harder!

BusyRaeNOTBusty

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

What does one have to do with the other?

Women think Speedo's are gross = an opinion about a piece of clothing that in no way represents the desires/wants/consent of the person wearing it.

Men think women dressing in tight clothing = said woman "wanting the looks" they get, so assigning desires/wants/consent to another person based on their clothing.

See the difference here? You're comparing apples to sheetrock.

I think the differentiation is that women can wear tight clothes without seeing a clear-as-day outline of their genitals. One of the advantages of having our reproductive organs on the inside :glasses:

Not quite true. Nipples, you know.

I referred to this earlier. Breasts outlined in tight clothing are acceptable in public, and often expected (based on societal fashion).
Nipples are often hidden by padded bras. I know that I have one bra that does not do a good job hiding them, and I actually noticed a decided increase in the number of times people went out of their way to say something. (I thought it was my lipgloss actually. LOL)

If a man wears an outfit that gives that sort of outline (typically only speedos leave that great an impression) people often say it's gross. And that is WRONG. There is nothing about the male or female body that is GROSS.

But I do imagine that it is a contributing factor as to why men wear compression shorts UNDER their baggy ones to the gym, and not just something similar to a compression short on it's own. Socially it seems to be more of a faux-pas for a man to wear tight shorts outside of "accepted" sports - i.e. cycling for one.

MEN - can you contribute to that theory?

I don't find the bulge of the male genitalia gross at all... Mmmmmm.... John Hamm.... I also think speedos are fine.

dbmata

I think this thread is causing me to think about how I act in the gym.

I'm generally rather surly, but if I see someone with good form, partiularly with squats or deadlifts (where I need better form), I don't care, I'll look so hard they'll think they're being sized up by Hannibal, or they'll think I'm trying to figure out the DTF ratio.

Now, just thinking out loud here, would a woman get upset if someone or all guys just shunned her at the gym? Like actively avoided all looking at her. I wonder if there would be an upset thread about not being looked at? Just a random thought that just came to mind.

MireyGal76

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

What does one have to do with the other?

Women think Speedo's are gross = an opinion about a piece of clothing that in no way represents the desires/wants/consent of the person wearing it.

Men think women dressing in tight clothing = said woman "wanting the looks" they get, so assigning desires/wants/consent to another person based on their clothing.

See the difference here? You're comparing apples to sheetrock.

I think the differentiation is that women can wear tight clothes without seeing a clear-as-day outline of their genitals. One of the advantages of having our reproductive organs on the inside :glasses:

Not quite true. Nipples, you know.

I referred to this earlier. Breasts outlined in tight clothing are acceptable in public, and often expected (based on societal fashion).
Nipples are often hidden by padded bras. I know that I have one bra that does not do a good job hiding them, and I actually noticed a decided increase in the number of times people went out of their way to say something. (I thought it was my lipgloss actually. LOL)

If a man wears an outfit that gives that sort of outline (typically only speedos leave that great an impression) people often say it's gross. And that is WRONG. There is nothing about the male or female body that is GROSS.

But I do imagine that it is a contributing factor as to why men wear compression shorts UNDER their baggy ones to the gym, and not just something similar to a compression short on it's own. Socially it seems to be more of a faux-pas for a man to wear tight shorts outside of "accepted" sports - i.e. cycling for one.

MEN - can you contribute to that theory?

I don't find the bulge of the male genitalia gross at all... Mmmmmm.... John Hamm.... I also think speedos are fine.

Nor do I. It's a sad thing that it seems to have a negative stigma on it.

BinaryPulsar

I don't mind. Obviously, like all things, it's better if taking social skills and cues into account.

If I have the option I do tend to stay in the ladies section, though. As long as it has what I need. I'm looking into switching to a gym that doesn't have that. It's not something I need a gym to have, but I will use it if it's there.

Niecytwentyfive

Well for one thing, I do realize that I'm at the gym where hormones are flying around at full speed. Some looking is to be expected there. I don't mind a little distraction if the guy is cute to me, if he's not, he'll only annoy me. It's that simple for me.

likitisplit

I think this thread is causing me to think about how I act in the gym.

I'm generally rather surly, but if I see someone with good form, partiularly with squats or deadlifts (where I need better form), I don't care, I'll look so hard they'll think they're being sized up by Hannibal, or they'll think I'm trying to figure out the DTF ratio.

Now, just thinking out loud here, would a woman get upset if someone or all guys just shunned her at the gym? Like actively avoided all looking at her. I wonder if there would be an upset thread about not being looked at? Just a random thought that just came to mind.

If I asked to work in and you acted like I smelled bad, I'd be upset. But most people kind of DO avoid looking at each other, you know, give each other that sense of personal space and visual privacy.

I keep thinking about this woman on my Disney cruise that was built. Every muscle in her body was perfect. I couldn't help staring at her, but I feel bad about it now. She probably gets sick of constantly being stared at.

dbmata

But I do imagine that it is a contributing factor as to why men wear compression shorts UNDER their baggy ones to the gym, and not just something similar to a compression short on it's own. Socially it seems to be more of a faux-pas for a man to wear tight shorts outside of "accepted" sports - i.e. cycling for one.

MEN - can you contribute to that theory?

So, I'll be serious here for a few.

When I wear compression shorts its because I want a little more support, or if nothing else, the feeling of more support. When I played baseball as a catcher, I used them. When I lift weights, I either wear them if they're clean, or I'll go commando. When I run, commando. When I ride my road bike, my bike shorts are super padded, but there is definitely a presence in the front to behold.

I think the idea of hiding the wedding tackle is rather silly, but if there is a situation where you need the added support, use the compression shorts for what they're for. Oh, and you don't want your berries flappin' about if you take a fall while alpine climbing. Trust me. Tight shorts there.

TheVirgoddess

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

What does one have to do with the other?

Women think Speedo's are gross = an opinion about a piece of clothing that in no way represents the desires/wants/consent of the person wearing it.

Men think women dressing in tight clothing = said woman "wanting the looks" they get, so assigning desires/wants/consent to another person based on their clothing.

See the difference here? You're comparing apples to sheetrock.

I think the differentiation is that women can wear tight clothes without seeing a clear-as-day outline of their genitals. One of the advantages of having our reproductive organs on the inside :glasses:

Not quite true. Nipples, you know.

I referred to this earlier. Breasts outlined in tight clothing are acceptable in public, and often expected (based on societal fashion).
Nipples are often hidden by padded bras. I know that I have one bra that does not do a good job hiding them, and I actually noticed a decided increase in the number of times people went out of their way to say something. (I thought it was my lipgloss actually. LOL)

If a man wears an outfit that gives that sort of outline (typically only speedos leave that great an impression) people often say it's gross. And that is WRONG. There is nothing about the male or female body that is GROSS.

But I do imagine that it is a contributing factor as to why men wear compression shorts UNDER their baggy ones to the gym, and not just something similar to a compression short on it's own. Socially it seems to be more of a faux-pas for a man to wear tight shorts outside of "accepted" sports - i.e. cycling for one.

MEN - can you contribute to that theory?

I've never heard a woman say about a man "his pants are way too tight, gross!". I'm pretty sure it's about not having your junk out on display, the same reason I don't wear the pants that I love, but give me a distinct camel toe - it's beyond my personal comfort level.

Of course commenting on the appearance of ANY person wearing ANYthing using the word gross is wrong.

likitisplit

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

What does one have to do with the other?

Women think Speedo's are gross = an opinion about a piece of clothing that in no way represents the desires/wants/consent of the person wearing it.

Men think women dressing in tight clothing = said woman "wanting the looks" they get, so assigning desires/wants/consent to another person based on their clothing.

See the difference here? You're comparing apples to sheetrock.

I think the differentiation is that women can wear tight clothes without seeing a clear-as-day outline of their genitals. One of the advantages of having our reproductive organs on the inside :glasses:

Not quite true. Nipples, you know.

I referred to this earlier. Breasts outlined in tight clothing are acceptable in public, and often expected (based on societal fashion).
Nipples are often hidden by padded bras. I know that I have one bra that does not do a good job hiding them, and I actually noticed a decided increase in the number of times people went out of their way to say something. (I thought it was my lipgloss actually. LOL)

If a man wears an outfit that gives that sort of outline (typically only speedos leave that great an impression) people often say it's gross. And that is WRONG. There is nothing about the male or female body that is GROSS.

But I do imagine that it is a contributing factor as to why men wear compression shorts UNDER their baggy ones to the gym, and not just something similar to a compression short on it's own. Socially it seems to be more of a faux-pas for a man to wear tight shorts outside of "accepted" sports - i.e. cycling for one.

MEN - can you contribute to that theory?

I don't find the bulge of the male genitalia gross at all... Mmmmmm.... John Hamm.... I also think speedos are fine.

Nor do I. It's a sad thing that it seems to have a negative stigma on it.

What about Elvis?

conqueringsquidlette

I think this thread is causing me to think about how I act in the gym.

I'm generally rather surly, but if I see someone with good form, partiularly with squats or deadlifts (where I need better form), I don't care, I'll look so hard they'll think they're being sized up by Hannibal, or they'll think I'm trying to figure out the DTF ratio.

Now, just thinking out loud here, would a woman get upset if someone or all guys just shunned her at the gym? Like actively avoided all looking at her. I wonder if there would be an upset thread about not being looked at? Just a random thought that just came to mind.

That would be awesome. Can I sign up for that?

Hmm, that made ME think. Do they still have nunneries? Do those nunneries have weight rooms? Do you think they'd let an atheist in to use them? :-P

dbmata

If I asked to work in and you acted like I smelled bad, I'd be upset. But most people kind of DO avoid looking at each other, you know, give each other that sense of personal space and visual privacy.

I guess it's just the behavior at the margins which is at issue. Just like it would be wrong for me to look at you as you talk and then turn around, it would be equally wrong to just stand there watching your set and drooling.

I'm glad at my gym I'm one of 3 people that knows how to squat or deadlift. I don't have anyone asking to work in. If someone did though, I think I'd be more prone to let a woman work in than a man, simply because I don't need to try to get into a competition with someone, and I know I wouldn't with a woman. (Which I'm sure someone could call that out as sexist, eh? Hmmm.)

likitisplit

EDIT: also, there was a Speedo thread, and I brought this up here, where most of the women agreed men shouldn't wear a Speedo because it wasn't attractive. So women in tight clothes = comfort. Men in tight clothes = gross?

What does one have to do with the other?

Women think Speedo's are gross = an opinion about a piece of clothing that in no way represents the desires/wants/consent of the person wearing it.

Men think women dressing in tight clothing = said woman "wanting the looks" they get, so assigning desires/wants/consent to another person based on their clothing.

See the difference here? You're comparing apples to sheetrock.

I think the differentiation is that women can wear tight clothes without seeing a clear-as-day outline of their genitals. One of the advantages of having our reproductive organs on the inside :glasses:

Not quite true. Nipples, you know.

I referred to this earlier. Breasts outlined in tight clothing are acceptable in public, and often expected (based on societal fashion).
Nipples are often hidden by padded bras. I know that I have one bra that does not do a good job hiding them, and I actually noticed a decided increase in the number of times people went out of their way to say something. (I thought it was my lipgloss actually. LOL)

If a man wears an outfit that gives that sort of outline (typically only speedos leave that great an impression) people often say it's gross. And that is WRONG. There is nothing about the male or female body that is GROSS.

But I do imagine that it is a contributing factor as to why men wear compression shorts UNDER their baggy ones to the gym, and not just something similar to a compression short on it's own. Socially it seems to be more of a faux-pas for a man to wear tight shorts outside of "accepted" sports - i.e. cycling for one.

MEN - can you contribute to that theory?

I've never heard a woman say about a man "his pants are way too tight, gross!". I'm pretty sure it's about not having your junk out on display, the same reason I don't wear the pants that I love, but give me a distinct camel toe - it's beyond my personal comfort level.

Of course commenting on the appearance of ANY person wearing ANYthing using the word gross is wrong.

That made me think of the Prancersize lady. VERY similar commentary there (Gross, etc).