I refuse to take fitness advice...
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Would you want to learn how to swim from someone that was drowning?
Even strong, professional swimmers have drowned...?
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There is no "NEW" way. Body physiology does not change with the times. What worked 30 years ago, still works today. What worked 100 years ago still works today. When you get advice from someone- consider the source. If they don't look healthy they have no place giving fitness advice.
You say this, yet you also say this:
"The truth is this; the FACTS about exercise, nutrition, metabolism, calories etc. Never change."
So because I'm overweight I'd naturally know nothing about nutrition, exercise or overall health? Ever seen a doctor smoking?0 -
I learned about calorie counting from a morbidly obese man. He was 100% right in everything that he said which has been proven time and time again with more research that comes out (and the majority of what is posted here) he just couldn't follow it or stick to it.
Guess he didn't know a goddamn thing.
A very elderly, overweight, and frail old woman taught me about exercise, and when I followed what she said she was 100% right and I got results very quickly, and when I seen photos of her in her youth she was the most in shape and beautiful modelesque thing I've ever seen, but now? (well, she's dead now, but follow me here) she's just an old little lady who enjoyed comfort foods and let herself go.
Guess she didn't know anything either.0 -
In for the laughs.
MFP is hella amusing today.0 -
Goodness, yes! I have received some of the WORST advice from "certified" trainers who looked amazing.
^This is also a valid pointI'd argue that judging someone's knowledge or expertise from their appearance alone is fallacious.
I wouldn't discount anyone of any size if they presented a well thought out, well sourced and evidence backed argument.
I also learned my lesson about listening to people just because they were in great shape.
Also, I was not overweight at all most of my life and when I did gain, successfully took it off and kept it off until I switched birth control. I know how to lose and I know how to maintain a loss. My body these days is in rebellion, but that doesn't mean I don't know HOW.0 -
I'm chubby - but I find it hard to agree that I have nothing to add of worth to someone asking for advice.
Just my opinion, of course...0 -
I love Tom Hiddleston...That is all...0 -
from people who are more out of shape than me...
In today's; "I read it on the internet so it must be right" trend, everyone is a fitness expert and I get sick of people that don't even work out (or do so once in a while) trying to tell me what's best for my workout or physical appearance.
The truth is this; the FACTS about exercise, nutrition, metabolism, calories etc. Never change. The fads are based purely on misinformation and are intended more on commercialism than health. I have been exercising regularly since I was 14. I've seen trends come and go and they are all the same: "This is the NEW way to lose weight, get healthy, eat right etc."
There is no "NEW" way. Body physiology does not change with the times. What worked 30 years ago, still works today. What worked 100 years ago still works today. When you get advice from someone- consider the source. If they don't look healthy they have no place giving fitness advice.
And if you get your "facts" from the internet, back them up with at least 3 other sources. You will often find that the article you read is very one-sided and is not based on anything but anecdotal evidence- which is always flawed.
I have no idea what kind of shape you're in but I do know what kind of shape I'm in. Carry on...0 -
Your guess is wrong and you have (perhaps willfully?) missed the point.0
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Back in to respond to the original post.
My trainer at the gym carries more fat than I do - in fact, she looks kinda soft, especially given she's half my age.
She can outlift me any day of the week. She could probably bench me.
One of my martial arts instructors is a rounder woman, rather heavy. You, OP, would probably call her fat and out of shape.
She can outperform me in every way - strength, power, endurance, flexibility.
She is the very freaking definition of badass, and my total girl-crush hero.
One of my fellow martial arts students is quite overweight. She wears compression bandages on her knees, skips the push-ups, and substitutes a walking-in-place high-knees thing for jumping jacks in our warmups. You, OP, would probably crack "Walmart" jokes about her.
She is one of the toughest chicks in that class. Her nickname starts with "awesome."
None of these women "look" as "fit" as I do.
Take advice from these women? Hell yes, I do. Gratefully. Every chance I get.0 -
Another thing about your original post that demonstrates a lack I understanding is the remark that old ways are the better ways. Science changes. The understanding of anatomy and the physiological reaction to nutrition and exercise changes. Do you really think modern bodybuilders lift weights the same way Arnold did when he started? Do you think pro cyclists train the same way they did when the Tour de France first began? If so, then maybe you need to put away the ego and pay more attention to what is being said and learned around you. Things change. Personally, I'm always willing to learn something new.
RE: Arnold...YES! I have the book...it's amazing and works. But I get what you are saying, would just leave Arnold out. :laugh:0 -
Sugar Ray Leonard getting fitness advice from the same chubby out of shape guy that Ali got his fitness advice from
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So what you're saying is there can never be any new methods or ways of getting fit and healthy. So going on your theory there are no new things we should have stopped at the wheel and this electricity thing that was a big mistake. So the advances in sports physiology and training methods and nutrition for professional sports over the past 20 years is rubbish. HRMs now what a fad they are hey. How about these kettlebell things. This crossfit thing will never catch on eh .... I do love it when people talk in absolutes..from people who are more out of shape than me...
In today's; "I read it on the internet so it must be right" trend, everyone is a fitness expert and I get sick of people that don't even work out (or do so once in a while) trying to tell me what's best for my workout or physical appearance.
The truth is this; the FACTS about exercise, nutrition, metabolism, calories etc. Never change. The fads are based purely on misinformation and are intended more on commercialism than health. I have been exercising regularly since I was 14. I've seen trends come and go and they are all the same: "This is the NEW way to lose weight, get healthy, eat right etc."
There is no "NEW" way. Body physiology does not change with the times. What worked 30 years ago, still works today. What worked 100 years ago still works today. When you get advice from someone- consider the source. If they don't look healthy they have no place giving fitness advice.
And if you get your "facts" from the internet, back them up with at least 3 other sources. You will often find that the article you read is very one-sided and is not based on anything but anecdotal evidence- which is always flawed.
Hey now, I bought my HRM and kettlebell based on what I read on MFP. You mean that was wrong advice? Out they go :sad:0 -
I'm really overweight and out of shape. Doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing. I have Hashimoto's and haven't been able to lose weight, or much, in 7+ years. Not everyone is full of **** and fat because it's a good time.
I have Hashimotos too. Respectfully I must disagree that it makes losing weight more difficult. I am assuming you are under a doctor's care and are being treated?
As for the OP - DYEL?0 -
Great post thanks.LOL. Well I can't tell from your photos how fit you are. But you can tell by mine. So judge for yourself, but people are here on MFP for fitness advice and support. Not for someone with a poor, arrogant, narcissistic attitude to tell them that their way sucks and you are way better than them since you are more fit. If what worked 30 years ago still works for you, great. That isn't the same for everyone. There was no MFP 30 years ago, so did you only sign up so you can post aggressive, unhelpful opinions for people to laugh at? Clearly you don't need MFP to maintain your god-like fitness.
As if the advances in medical science of the last 3 decades never happened.
I shook my head reading that diatribe...that's a closed mind for you.0 -
You read an awful lot into my post that wasn't there. If you CHOOSE to be offended by what I said, that's your choice. I was merely saying that there are a lot of people that spout fitness advice without knowing a damn thing about it. My guess is, you're one of those touting the "latest and greatest" fitness craze and my comment hit a nerve.
If so, touche'.
Yep, definitely hangry! Smooches :flowerforyou:0 -
Hon I am African they have no more or less starving people than other parts of the world.Agreed! I just had someone get on another employee because they skipped breakfast, saying "you will immediately go into starvation mode and your body will hold onto all the fat and will not lose any weight” and I just sat there I thought to myself, I wander how starving people in Africa aren’t fat then.
Look in your own backyard first...It helps to go beyond the sensational headlines.0 -
I'm really overweight and out of shape. Doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing. I have Hashimoto's and haven't been able to lose weight, or much, in 7+ years. Not everyone is full of **** and fat because it's a good time.
I have Hashimotos too. Respectfully I must disagree that it makes losing weight more difficult. I am assuming you are under a doctor's care and are being treated?
As for the OP - DYEL?
OT here, but that's not fair at all: Any thyroid condition makes losing weight difficult if it's not fully managed (even hyper, for some people!). Because your experience has been smoother than others doesn't mean Hashimotos doesn't make weight loss difficult, especially when unexplained weight gain and/or difficulty losing weight are very common symptoms of the condition.
Of course, GETTING to a certain point of weight can only be attributed so much to the condition, as well.0 -
Would you want to learn how to swim from someone that was drowning?
How can someone who is drowning, teach another to swim? Aren't they dead or about to be?
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Didn't read 5 pages of posts - However I'm pretty sure the Olympic athletes in 1948 would have performed more in line with todays standards if; they'd had the nutritional, scientifically based training programs, oh! & time off work (many only got the day. Or half a day off to compete) that they have today.
Mr Kelloggs was considered a leading forerunner in health & nutrition - some folk won't even touch a bowl of cereal with a barge pole.
Things change times move on.0 -
I agree with a bunch of your statements. Food is definitely not as healthy as it used to be, and advertisers on nutrition labels don't do the best job helping either. I'm a firm believer that going back to the basics is usually the best thing people can do when they struggle; it's consistency with the little things, and I'm glad most people on this thread understand that.0
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I'm really overweight and out of shape. Doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing. I have Hashimoto's and haven't been able to lose weight, or much, in 7+ years. Not everyone is full of **** and fat because it's a good time.
I have Hashimotos too. Respectfully I must disagree that it makes losing weight more difficult. I am assuming you are under a doctor's care and are being treated?
As for the OP - DYEL?
OT here, but that's not fair at all: Any thyroid condition makes losing weight difficult if it's not fully managed (even hyper, for some people!). Because your experience has been smoother than others doesn't mean Hashimotos doesn't make weight loss difficult, especially when unexplained weight gain and/or difficulty losing weight are very common symptoms of the condition.
Of course, GETTING to a certain point of weight can only be attributed so much to the condition, as well.
Did you even read my post? :ohwell:0 -
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I'm really overweight and out of shape. Doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing. I have Hashimoto's and haven't been able to lose weight, or much, in 7+ years. Not everyone is full of **** and fat because it's a good time.
I have Hashimotos too. Respectfully I must disagree that it makes losing weight more difficult. I am assuming you are under a doctor's care and are being treated?
As for the OP - DYEL?
OT here, but that's not fair at all: Any thyroid condition makes losing weight difficult if it's not fully managed (even hyper, for some people!). Because your experience has been smoother than others doesn't mean Hashimotos doesn't make weight loss difficult, especially when unexplained weight gain and/or difficulty losing weight are very common symptoms of the condition.
Of course, GETTING to a certain point of weight can only be attributed so much to the condition, as well.
Did you even read my post? :ohwell:
Yes? :ohwell:
Being under a doctor's care and being treated doesn't mean everything is necessarily in working order :frown:0 -
I'd argue that judging someone's knowledge or expertise from their appearance alone is fallacious.
I wouldn't discount anyone of any size if they presented a well thought out, well sourced and evidence backed argument.
I also learned my lesson about listening to people just because they were in great shape.
Yup. Someone brings up an argument backed up with peer reviewed research? Well, I'm going to have to take a look at their appearance before I can decide whether to take their advice or not.
It's silly and shallow, but not a surprising point of view in this forum.
On an unrelated note, Yagisama, your ticker is AWESOME! The one cheat code that will forever be burned into my brain at any age.
Thanks! It is indeed the most legendary cheat code of all time!
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Thank you! You understand my point precisely.
I refuse to take MFP advice from someone who doesn't know how to use MFP quotes!!0
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