Help! hurtful comment from partner
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No offense there Sam, but it's a mind game(being polite). Today it's the weight, tomorrow it's something else. In my opinion, you should dig down, get some self respect, and move the f--- on. You're only here for a short time, quit wasting it.
My brother (who I no longer talk to going on four years) continuously does this, and openly has a good laugh about how they(women) keep coming back for more. He's a dirt bag, and so is your guy. So quit deluding yourself and start smelling the bull sh-t, or just keep on eating it. The choice is yours.
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I don't see how this is different to refusing to marry a heavy smoker or alcoholic. A marriage is a long term commitment to eachother, and you're young - I don't blame him for having reservations about someone leading an unhealthy lifestyle, because in the end it won't just be you it affects if you marry him.
My concern is this: it's been four years, and she implied that her weight has been an ongoing problem. While it's certainly possible she will lose all this weight and never gain weight again, the chances are much better that this will be an issue again. The two of them need to have a conversation about what would happen in that scenario, before they agree to marry each other. It's just a very realistic possibility. What if they get married, she gains weight, and struggles to lose it for four years? Does that mean divorce, withholding affection, or is it just that he wants her to know that he will be honest with her and tell her he is more attracted to her slender? Is she equipped to deal with each of those scenarios? We don't know.
If someone told a heavy smoker or an alcoholic, "I'll marry you when you get sober," the same conversation would need to be had. Many though not all people relapse or have setbacks.
To me, this isn't about blame, it's about figuring out whether you can live with each other's conditions. If she can't live with someone who won't marry her until she is thin, that's ok. If he can't marry someone until she's thin, that's ok. But after four years, someone needs to mention that nothing has changed and neither is getting what they want.
(I can't make positive or negative judgments about why he does what he does with his career and her schooling. We don't know the answer to that. He could be treasuring her and valuing her so much that he sacrifices his needs to help her meet her's, and it could also be self-serving. Control, her feeling indebted to him, getting two weeks away from home that can't be questioned because he is doing it for her. It could be somewhere in the middle, where he sees her as the more likely of the two to have a steady career and feels that investing in her career is a decision that benefits them both ... there's no way for any of us to decide he's a selfish b or a selfless saint based on that information.)0 -
Excuses, excuses, excuses. He is never going to marry you. And why would you want to marry someone who thinks you are too fat to marry, but not too fat to "be with?"0
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Now I haven't been in this relationship with you, nor has anyone else replying. But what you need to know and realize is there is no such thing as a marriage between a human and another human's weight. If you two are going to get married he won't be marrying your weight, he'll be marrying YOU.
Regardless of how you feel about your weight, the numbers on the scale DO NOT DEFINE YOU AS A PERSON. The way you treat your body does, but your weight does not. There should never be a second where you shame your body. I know you love him and have been through a lot with him but your experience with crying while working out and 'not feeling like you'll ever be enough' are HARD CORE RED FLAGS.
If he cared about your HEALTH he would help you improve your health lovingly. I know you've been struggling with your weight but WEIGHT is not an issue. Your HEALTH is and the only way to may improvements is to go about doing so in a positive and loving way. Not in a way that diminishes your self worth.
Good luck. Hope the best for you. If you ever need to talk about this, please feel free to message me. I'm a Nutrition major and am actively involved in counseling services related to mental health and nutrition (not saying you need counseling but if you need professionals to help you get your mind straight on this subject, I know who you could talk to.)0 -
I asked why he hasn't left me if this is how he feels and he says he loves me and i'm perfect otherwise.
Oh my - this is the part that made me double cringe. The 'you are perfect otherwise' part. Others have said this. You are not perfect and you will not always be perfect. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but you need to beat it out of there and fast. Marriage is for better or worse, sickness and health. Sounds from your side of this that he has no desire for the worse or sickness part of that deal...
Lose the weight for you and move on with your life. It will hurt like hell but you will find someone who deserves you, ALL OF YOU! Good luck!0 -
That's why I said your love for them would be changed. It would, most likely, no longer be a romantic love, no? I specified romantic relationships, because that's what I was talking about.
Anyway, it was a side point that is only vaguely connected to the OP, so it's probably pointless to argue about it
When you are deeply in love, it is not fickle, and it lasts through good and bad times, and grows stronger as the years pass. I have had a wonderful 22 years with my husband who loves me unconditionally. He loved me through good and bad and I Ioved him the same way, and I love him even more than I did 22 years ago.
I feel like you're intentionally missing my point. It's not "my kind of love", it's my opinion of the reality of love - if my husband did something I considered unforgivable, I would no longer love him in a romantic way. My definition of unforgivable is different from yours, and contrary to your belief of me, gaining weight is not on that list. NO WHERE in this thread did I say anything about divorce over weight being "okay". Please stop putting words into my mouth.
Every relationship is and will be based on different expectations. My husband doesn't give two s*its about my weight. He loves me as I am - and he supports me in my fitness goals because it's what I want. But, in another relationship that might not be the case - there might be AGREED upon limitations. I don't think it's fair to point fingers and call other people who approach relationships differently than you shallow OR fickle. There could (and seem to be) underlying issues contributing to how he feels.
For instance, I don't understand seeking relationship support on a website. It would be a violation of trust in my marriage if I posted a thread complaining about how my husband treats me. I am not, however, going to judge the OP for having differing standards in her relationship.
I also don't think it's fair to label this guy a jerk, or shallow, or abusive (!) because we see a very thin (one-sided) slice of a single situation.
I need some sort of pop up warning me next time I try to read any sort of relationship posts on here to just not bother.
OP, best of luck to you. I hope whatever happens, you're happy and at peace with yourself.0 -
i disagree, i love my girlfriend, her personality is amazing and she's beautiful...but if she were to weigh 200 pounds, then that means she's nolonger the same person, it means her eating isn't good, she isn't living healthy and physically nobody looks good overweight, my attractiveness to her would lessen, you can't be with someone you're not attracted to.
For the same reasons i didn't want to be 285 and morbidly obese, is the same reasons i couldn't have a girlfriend that's obese. It's not vanity, it's not shallow, and i think it's ridiculous that people are like "oh it's all love forever". Love is mental and physical, could you love your partner if they weighed 600 pounds? That's an extreme, but for those that say size don't matter, i highly doubt you would. If my girlfriend got a disease or pregnant, etc..then that's different, but if it's a result of something they can control, then i don't get it, at this point in my life, i couldn't even date someone that routinely ate fast food.
and besides, losing weight isn't that hard.0 -
I just want to say that I do think sometimes people may "come down a little more harsh" on relationships in which the couple is thinking about marriage, but not married yet, just because of the rates of unhappy marriages and divorce.0
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It seems to be mostly women responding on this thread. I'm a woman too, but I've always been fascinated by this issue.
Try doing a google search for 'wife gaining weight' to start out. I think the book 'his needs her needs' is another great read.
To put it bluntly men want a hot wife. What that means is different to every man. For plenty of men that means they want a thin wife. There are also plenty of men our there that are attracted that a heavier weight.
Love is all well and good, but love in a marriage is not like love for your children. It is not unconditional. A loss of attraction is a good reason to end a marriage. I went through this a few years ago, and yes it was heartrending. My husband was still attracted to me, but not the way he was before. He also wouldn't be as attracted to me if I went around in ratty sweatpants with my hair a mess all day. When his friends come over he wants me dressed nicely.
For women saying "will he love you during/after pregnancy" this is nonsense. Pregnancy does not "ruin" your body, and gaining 30lbs while pregnant is and looks very different than gaining 30lbs while not pregnant. My husband thinks 30lb+ pregnant lady me is still hot, and I think most men do.
Duh, you'll have some stretch marks, and I'm quite proud of my mine. Of course my belly is bigger since having our first child, and will probably be bigger after I deliver our second. I wanted to lose 20lbs before my pregnancy so I would be back at our 'first date weight', but that didn't happen. I have a bit more weight around my hips/butt/thighs, but I have always been pear shaped and this is more due to the extra 20lbs I'm packing than pregnancy. And to blame everything on pregnancy is ridiculous. I gained 10-15lb AFTER I lost the baby weight due to my own lifestyle choices.
My husband wants for me to take care of myself and for my family, and I expect the same out of him. He wants for us BOTH to set a good example for our children in healthy lifestyles, which isn't just things like eating habits and exercise. Its also ethics, morals, how to best use free time, developing yourself as a whole human being, etc. If either one of us didn't live up to these expectations there would be a problem. Do you and your boyfriend mesh on these others issues?
Think of it. Would you want to be with a man you weren't attracted to? What if you were attracted to him, and he began to do things that caused you to not be so attracted to him? Would your unconditional love live out if he stopped taking care of his hygiene?
One of my best friends is going through this now and I can see that its horrible for her. She has always struggled with her weight. I think she would have been better off marrying a man who is attracted to larger women. She is always asking her husband if she looks hot/cute, and he wanted for her to lose weight about a 100lbs ago. If he says yes she'll keep badgering him, and if he says no its a fight.
Have you asked him straight out if he is still attracted to you at this weight? If he's not what are you willing to do about this? In general what are you willing to compromise for a relationship? Marriage takes a lot of sweat, blood, and tears to make it work. You at least need to decide on a good foundation, and attractiveness and what that takes needs to be discussed upfront.
^ A very good dose of reality. Honestly, this is one of the best responses I've read to one of these posts. There is a real world out there with real relationships, and real relationship problems. Cliches and platitudes sound good on the internet but they don't solve real world problems.
I completely agree with the above comments. I think unfortunately he told you something you don't want to hear and it hurts. You already said before that you are not happy at this weight also. Maybe it is not just weight that is bothering him, maybe you are not as confident as you used to be and he misses that. I agree that many men (and women!) have fears that once you get married the passion and excitement goes away and you let yourself go. He is probably scared that you being overweight now and in his mind not doing enough about it is foreshadowing into that type of a future with you. You being at a healthy weight would probably ease those fears for him and in return you would feel so good about yourself. There is the possibility that he is a selfish jerk but from the sounds of things that doesn't seem to be the case.
I have been dating my bf for 3 years and have gained about 40-50 lbs over the last few years since going back to a desk job. It has been bothering me and affecting my confidence. I don't dress the way I would like to anymore and I simply don't have the swagger that I had when we first started dating. While my bf still tells me how beautiful he thinks I am daily, he recently mentioned that my weight gain does bother him and he wishes I would make getting back to where I want to be a priority for the both of us. It hurt a little to hear but I love him for his honesty. It has given me the motivation to really put my health and fitness first. I simply am not happy like this and it shows.
I personally wouldn't want my bf to pat me on the back and tell me its ok if I want to give up on myself and not be the best I can be. He knows my potential and wants more for me. My bf is active and in amazing shape and its ok for him to want a partner who takes good care of herself too. I can be honest with myself and say that if the situation were reversed it would bother me as well. It doesn't mean I don't truly love him. If you want to maintain a passionate relationship and healthy sex life, physical attraction is important. I have enough friends. I don't want my relationship to feel like just another friendship.
To sum up, maybe the way he addressed his feeling wasn't the most tactful but I wouldn't write off the relationship just yet. I think you need to have an honest conversation about both of your feelings and try not to take his comments too personally. I think he feels this is the best to maintain a healthy relationship with you, where you both feel you are getting what you want out of it.0 -
/www.womenarehungry.com/ Is about a woman struggling with the numbers on a scale and her journey-very inspirational, my fitness pal shared today and i think it fits the topic.0
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So what. Lose the weight. You're boyfriend makes an honest point.
I'll say that no one here will probably agree with me.... BUT ..... I think that you need to realize that weight does matter in his attraction to you, which is a viable part of the relationship. Its not going to be fair to him to be married to someone who lets themselves go/ is overweight/ ect... for the rest of his life. He deserves the best, right? You should want to impress him. It sounds honestly like you have become too comfortable with him and you've forgotten that you need to keep up with your personal appearance if you want this man to spend the rest of his life with you. The exact same should go for him as well.
I'm not saying that you aren't beautiful and pretty as is, but if you want to be with him and he has a problem with you, either fix the problem or ditch him.
Love this answer. I wish I had been as concise with my response. Lol.0 -
Why would you want to marry a guy like this, but if you love him - keep him as your partner but begin to meditate that he is your partner until someone better comes along.someone who loves you for you. Realizing you will live longer than him, he should be very careful not to offend you.0
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If he wasn't using your weight as an excuse, it would be something else. BTDT. Thank goodness I got rid of that guy.0
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you should lose all the weight and then leave him, find someone who will love you and want to be with you no matter what.0
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If you're "perfect otherwise"…. then he absolutely doesn't deserve you! Tell him to *@%! off and dump his sorry @$$! There is NO excuse for that kind of behavior. The hard truth is… if he really loved you… you'd be the most sexy woman on the planet to him. And you deserve someone who sees you that way.0
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I don't think you need this man in your life and consider it a lesson shall we. First think beyonce's lyrics- if you liked it then you (emphasize next word) SHOULDAH put a ring on it. Like one lady said you need to walk out and get the juiciest burger you can find and then start an awesome weightloss journey where no one is breathing over your shoulders checking on you. He probably already scoped the fish tank for other fishes by now. So get in shape at your pace then when the time is right and suggest to wait a decade before you start dating. If you find someone that is actually respectful then don't make marriage a second priority but first priority and get married sooner than later. keep up your weightloss and this time don't let go. I kinda went through this but not like this and entirely different setting and used it as my lesson and i have that guy who will love me at any weight( i know because he constantly reminds me of how beautiful i was when i had love handles=D) So do this for yourself. I If you do this do not look back. separate all communication from this guy and as the others say- you should stand up on your two feet and get this done the right way next time. I have a feeling you will get this right the next round….i had been abused before and even with the one man who accepts me entirely, I still feel the past hurt even now but its gotten significantly better with healthier lifestyle choices that i make and the love and support i get. I ultimately feel you must find someone else that deserves you at who you are and only you can want that lifestyle change for yourself not to get a marriage. a marriage should be a result of love not you earning it…i pray you strength and wisdom dear0
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Here's a reading from my wedding: “I want to love you without clutching, appreciate you without judging, join you without invading, invite you without demanding, leave you without guilt, criticize you without blaming, and help you without insulting. If I can have the same from you, then we can truly meet and enrich each other.”
There are so many things your post triggered for me. Including how my father had us gang up on my mother about her weight gainwhen we were kids. Interestingly, he was chubby. And yes, I loved him. My mother, loved him best. I don't think I could have done what she did. She took those vows seriously. I respect her for that.
Peace,0 -
I have been with my partner for around 4 years and known him for 9 years.
We have broached the subject of marriage many times but he has pushed it off as "it'll happen when it does" etc
I have always struggled with my weight and currently (not at my heaviest) 84kgs / 162cm.
Last week the topic of marriage come up again, and finally my partner told me "I would've proposed to you last year but I cant at your current weight. He went on to mention that he has dropped hints for a while now about me losing weight but he has given up. He doesn't know how I can "disrespect" myself or him for not taking care of myself. He says he loves me but cant marry me and this weight. I wouldn't like to have a wedding at my current weight, but I don't think it should be in the way of a proposal...
Now, normally this guy isn't a jerk and I think this has come from concern but I don't know where to from here. I drop in and out of hating him for not loving me unconditionally and wanting to prove him wrong. I find myself crying when I exercise thinking, I'll never be enough. Yet on the other hand, I want weight loss for me just as much as he does.
I am a very caring person and come from a family that loves you no matter your faults.
Should I accept this "hurt" from him or is it a case of if you cant say something, who can?
I'll start by saying I haven't read most of this thread. I saw a lot of comments talking about how if he can't love you unconditionally, then leave him. But I'm going to go the opposite and more realistic (and hopefully optimistic) route here.
About a week and a half ago, I had a huge battle with my fiance. We've been together for three years, and engaged for two years out of that. We don't have a date set for our wedding, but we love each other tremendously. There have been things we've had to work out... as all couples do. We generally just have discussions about how we're feeling and it's very civil. This fight was about my confidence. He had basically had enough of me not loving myself. He missed seeing me wear a nice outfit because I felt embarrassed about my body. He said that he doesn't care how I look, but my attitude was bringing his mood down. My own self-loathing was taking a toll on our relationship and I was too selfish to realize it. And trust me (a thousand times over, trust me)... I was devastated to hear him say he felt less attracted to me. I cried for hours and tried to pity myself... but was I acting like the person he fell in love with? Hell no! I had let myself get to my heaviest and sat and felt sorry for myself over it. (I do not resent him over what he said and I simply will not tolerate people who say that you should leave someone for expressing concern for your well-being.)
So that day, I sat and thought VERY critically about what I wanted from life. Did I want to keep my spare tire around my stomach and mope about out of my own stupid pride and lose the person whom I consider my partner and best friend? Or did I want to calm down, take action, and improve my fitness level and learn to love my body? I've struggled with an ED for almost a decade (and he knows that). But at a certain point, you have to take charge of your body and your own happiness. Maybe that means seeing a therapist, maybe that just means adding exercise to your lifestyle. Whatever works for you.
I'm saying this stuff out of love. It's only taken me a week and a half to feel happier, more energetic, and to *ahem* rekindle a little of the ol' fire. I probably sound way too stern, but I wish someone had said something like this to me months ago.
So I think that if you can say with honesty that he's a good person and a good partner, think about why he's saying this to you. He obviously loves you. People can always leave a relationship. But I don't think it's unrealistic to say that he's picked up on your discomfort with your weight struggles. I'd sit down and talk to him about exactly what YOU want for yourself and for him. If a fitness plan is part of that, great! If you need time to think, that's also great and you absolutely deserve time for yourself. And if you decide that you want out of a relationship that isn't "unconditional", remember that you control your own happiness.
Eliminating toxic people, toxic behavior, and toxic environments from your life is not an act of selfishness. It is an act of self-care. But self-care can also mean making realizations about yourself that are difficult to make. Whatever happens, I hope you find a happy solution that makes you a more whole individual. I truly apologize if my words were hard to read, but I just want people to find a path in life that is their own.
Love from Ohio.0 -
. I drop in and out of hating him for not loving me unconditionally and wanting to prove him wrong. I find myself crying when I exercise thinking, I'll never be enough. Yet on the other hand, I want weight loss for me just as much as he does.
I am a very caring person and come from a family that loves you no matter your faults.
Should I accept this "hurt" from him or is it a case of if you cant say something, who can?
He sees your weight as a fault
You see his insensitive comments as a fault
If you really believe in unconditional love then he should accept you for who you are, even if you don't match his ideal
But likewise, shouldn't you accept him for who he is, with his views on your weight, even if he doesn't match your ideal?0 -
. I drop in and out of hating him for not loving me unconditionally and wanting to prove him wrong. I find myself crying when I exercise thinking, I'll never be enough. Yet on the other hand, I want weight loss for me just as much as he does.
I am a very caring person and come from a family that loves you no matter your faults.
Should I accept this "hurt" from him or is it a case of if you cant say something, who can?
He sees your weight as a fault
You see his insensitive comments as a fault
If you really believe in unconditional love then he should accept you for who you are, even if you don't match his ideal
But likewise, shouldn't you accept him for who he is, with his views on your weight, even if he doesn't match your ideal?
You said quite concisely what I was thinking. Every relationship has its limits. That's healthy and human. But realizing when to compromise is key to something healthy.0 -
Run.
Run away fast.0 -
Wow...I'm so sorry....if it was ME, I'd lose the weight that I wanted to lose for ME, and WITHOUT him! If he can't enjoy you at your current weight, he doesn't deserve to enjoy you at a lesser weight! Think long and hard about this and follow your gut feelings -- is HE really the type of man that you want to spend your life with?? Be honest with yourself about your gut feelings.0
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Lose the loser, and then lose the weight. DO NOT marry this man. He'll always find an excuse to manipulate you, and after 9 years, you should know this by now. Men are perfectly clear as to what they are. We just choose not to listen. Trust me, I know.0
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Nine years is a long time to give to someone. My personal belief is that people would have happier marriages if they didn't shack up before they got married, but our current culture encourages this. Anyway, you're an adult; you can do as you wish.
I would suggest that you finish your degree but make sure that you don't get pregnant in the meantime. Once you're done, leave him and start a fresh life. He doesn't want to marry you or anyone else. This is a good situation for you both right now; you both have someone to have sex with, you have someone to hang out with, and you can get your degree finished. (Does that last part sound shallow? Well, who cares - do it.)
Then find someone who loves you completely. Absolutely. Someone who's eyes light up when you enter the room, and who can't wait to hear your voice or to see your smile every day. You are absolutely beautiful, intelligent, and loving. You deserve the same thing.0 -
Honey you do not want to marry that man. No way in hell.0
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Tell him to read this thread so he can be fully aware of how much of a manipulative jerk he is being. Then leave. Pack your stuff and get out. He has paid for enough of your wasted time.0
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Well, you've certainly received some excellent advice and I can only lend my voice to those who tell you to seriously consider moving on. I was married to man who also voiced the same concern. In fact, at age 20 when we married he asked me to promise never to get fat. I thought at the time that it was funny and my reply to him was, was "Sure, I promise to never get fat if you promise to never get bald." Fast forward 12 years and I was pregnant with our first child and I won't bore you with the details, but I got fat and he became so emotionally abusive that it broke my heart. And yes, he was also growing bald. Bottom line is that he could not deal with my changing body and as I aged he was increasingly cold, dismissive and well finally left Your current partner is actually warning you as to his future behavior if you gain more weight due to pregnancy or just over time. You're not that over weight now but can you live with this man knowing how conditional his "love" is? I now am married to a man, a wonderful loving man, who has loved me at 340 pounds and loves me still as I work to lose weight. His support is unwavering despite my disability and his devotion is complete. There is such a man for you as well, but to find him you must never settle for less than the respect that you deserve as a human being, fat or thin.0
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The problem is that marriage is for life. Life can be tough. People can get sick, they can have accidents, they can decide to do difficult things and need support.
The thing is, if he's falling at the first hurdle - i.e. he can't propose until you're at the right weight for him to be properly attracted by your body - what happens in life? Yes, there are many good things, but if you're with someone whose affection is that conditional - I will not marry you unless you are x weight - then maybe it's good to find a way to be financially independent, cut your losses and leave.
If he thinks that he's entitled to get a particular size woman for the money he's spending on you, then he's not really the loving type. Sure, men are visual. But if he's not liking what he's seeing now (you're beautiful, by the way, unless that's somebody else in your profile pic!) then he's going to be a terrible person to grow old with.
There are men who can love someone for their mind. Maybe the majority can't, but there are definitely (at least some?) men out there who can love another human being as more than a sex object. Better to marry one of them... At least this one's being honest about being shallow.0 -
I'm so sorry that you've been hurt like this. It's unacceptable for him to say such a thing, no matter what he does for you. I agree with everyone else that if he has conditions, that is not true love, and it is certainly not marriage material. You deserve better, to have someone who thinks you are beautiful and everything he wants just as you are! Good luck. Just remember, there is someone out there who will adore you as is!!!0
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I don't understand why so many people are saying to OP "Don't marry this man."
He's been "partnered" with her for 4 years (probably doing everything married people do with each other in every sense of the spirit of things) and hasn't proposed marriage.
And the guy already flat out said he doesn't want to marry her.
Also, and I'm pretty sure it was mentioned earlier in this very long thread, but OP joined MFP in 2010 and her first post is in this thread of hers dated 6/9/14?
She speaks about her fatness in this thread of hers, but her photo features a tiny little blond weighing maybe 100 lbs?
And her first post is a new topic, thought up by her, with a very fetching title "Help! hurtful comment from partner" designed to elicit sympathetic responses rife with personal information from the heartfelt respondees?
How 'bout that
Now I do adore and respect a good little trickster. And if this *is* one, bless her. She got us all together to discuss this touchy topic in a surprisingly civil manner. Mostly.
But still. Lil_Sam28. I think she's a lover of internet fun :smokin:
That is me in the pic when I joined in 2010. I am now 15kgs heavier. And it's where I am going to get back to. I've had no reason to post and I mostly do not over share on the internet. Your comments have been very unhelpful and silly in a plethora of what turned out to be a very large thread.
To everyone else,
Thank you everyone for taking the time out to reply with your stories and advice.
It has confirmed my emotions are valid and I'm not over reacting. I'm going to work on me and when that's in progress maybe I'll find out what I really want from him.0
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