Oh Dear MFP suppots Detox and cleanses
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But I don't tend to get bent out of shape over word choice. Tone, detox, cleanse, bad carbs, good fats, etc., none of that verbiage, that seems to make others see red, bothers me as long as I can get the gist of what is being said.
Whereas I tend to actually believe that the words that people choose to use in "professional" writing are carefully chosen. If this person writes that she felt the "toxins" were gone, I would challenge to know the toxins. Word choice matters.
And anyone who doesn't think that word choice matters, I invite to walk up to a Hell's Angel and ask where his b*tch is. After he punches your lights out, you can politely explain that you were only wondering after his female dog.0 -
I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
i must have had my sarcasm font off. sorry.
she didnt say detox to mean she's laying pipe.
she said it because its a hot-topic buzzword, and knows full-well that the less informed will take it as gospel.
read the blog. read her replies to those questioning her.
then read how silly you sound trying to white knight this garbage.
I don't know what you mean by "white knight" the blog, but I also do not feel the need to bash anyone because they used an unpopular buzzword.
I've read the blog several times now, but on your suggestion I read the comments and her responses. Her responses seem quite adult and restrained, given the nature of the most of the comments. I didn't see anything in there about magical properties.
oh my goodness...you HAD to have been awarded "most persistent" in high school.
by white knight, i mean to say that you have ridden into the fray to defend this poor helpless creature from the armies of those with common sense. well done.
you justify her use of the unpopular buzzword, but by using it she is attempting to get people to jump on board, and buy into this baseless crap.
she was very mature and kept cool in her responses. i never questioned her tone...i was lookfor, ya know...more of an answer. a concrete one. on supported by science and research.
youre no stranger to me in these forums, but surprisingly, it took me until today to really be sure that you just like to argue.
you missed your calling...you coulda been a mediocre lawyer.
I will not deny that I like to argue, though most of my "arguing" (which, btw, takes more than one person) has been responses to questions.. I just haven't seen anyone post any evidence that this blog is harmful in any way. Just a lot of opinion on a general dislike of her word choice, and a few charges of misinformation because she (the blogger) did not provide scientific backup for some statements, without providing any to refute it.
I don't care about buzzwords or popularity. I don't say something is untrue if I don't know for sure it is. I did not see where she was selling anything or asking anyone to jump on board. Sure, she wants people to read her blog. Everyone that blogs wants people to read it. Otherwise they'd keep a private journal.
So, the blogger likes buzzwords that get people to read her blog. I concede that point. I like to argue, again, I concede that point. You do not like to argue, but I suppose are responding only to point out my arguing for the good of the MFP community.
im arguing to point out youre arguing with the rest of the arguers.
this is like inception. lol
at this point, i honestly dont know if youre trolling me or if you just want the last word (which i will give to you, i promise.)
is the blog OP posting outright harmful information? no, maybe not. she's not suggesting microwaving aerosol cans or babies or anything...but what she is doing, is claiming that this smoothie cleansed and detoxed her.
sure she mentions the extra water she drank, but credits the vegan detox smoothie with removing toxins...she even went on to say that she felt horrible during the start of it...but no worries...that's just the toxins being flushed from her body.
she also says this cleanse got her on the right track to eating healthy. cmon.
im not angry at the OP...we have plenty of those people here at MFP. what chaps my *kitten* is the MFP endorsement. why would they support that trendy unscientific heresay?
if they support a blog all about a donut and meat orgy fueled by IIFYM, then i'll call it a wash.
ETA: and with that, bctacos, the floor is yours for the final word.0 -
Assimilate or shut up
seems to be a popular stance by most in authority...
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Run, SS. Run.0 -
Tagging.
Run, SS. Run.
but, but, his gains...0 -
You know what gets me...
the first seven paragraphs talk about her issues, and her pre made cleanse, and how she felt better... and the LAST paragraph is actually unrelated. It's an... oh, I drink this smoothie three times a day. It's kind of like the cleanse one I was having.
The cleanse shake she had was pre-made. This one is her own devising. Does she even KNOW what went into the premade one? How did she decide on which ingredients to put in her own (did she even research parsley and what it does in large volumes) - and how are they tied to the cleanse one she was doing?
What WAS the actual purpose of the blog? Was it to sell the detox idea (the first 7 paragraphs), or was it to promote her "cool magic detox" smoothie (paragraph 8).0 -
Ok I do not see this as advice or info but a experience she is sharing. I know I am smart enough not to listen to others experience and use them a a example to follow. Like with everything on the internet you can not believe most of the info.0
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You know what gets me...
the first seven paragraphs talk about her issues, and her pre made cleanse, and how she felt better... and the LAST paragraph is actually unrelated. It's an... oh, I drink this smoothie three times a day. It's kind of like the cleanse one I was having.
The cleanse shake she had was pre-made. This one is her own devising. Does she even KNOW what went into the premade one? How did she decide on which ingredients to put in her own (did she even research parsley and what it does in large volumes) - and how are they tied to the cleanse one she was doing?
What WAS the actual purpose of the blog? Was it to sell the detox idea (the first 7 paragraphs), or was it to promote her "cool magic detox" smoothie (paragraph 8).
The sooner you stop trying to figure things like this out, the happier you will be.
Now here...take these pills to help calm you down and look at the pretty flowers.0 -
You know what gets me...
the first seven paragraphs talk about her issues, and her pre made cleanse, and how she felt better... and the LAST paragraph is actually unrelated. It's an... oh, I drink this smoothie three times a day. It's kind of like the cleanse one I was having.
The cleanse shake she had was pre-made. This one is her own devising. Does she even KNOW what went into the premade one? How did she decide on which ingredients to put in her own (did she even research parsley and what it does in large volumes) - and how are they tied to the cleanse one she was doing?
What WAS the actual purpose of the blog? Was it to sell the detox idea (the first 7 paragraphs), or was it to promote her "cool magic detox" smoothie (paragraph 8).
The sooner you stop trying to figure things like this out, the happier you will be.
Now here...take these pills to help calm you down and look at the pretty flowers.
shhhhhh,... you can't hand out pills here. You get the strikes.0 -
Ok I do not see this as advice or info but a experience she is sharing. I know I am smart enough not to listen to others experience and use them a a example to follow. Like with everything on the internet you can not believe most of the info.
If this was a user's blog, then sure...personal experience and all that...
...but this is a *MFP SANCTIONED/PROMOTED ARTICLE*! This means that they at the very least they do not have an issue with the message.
*sigh*
Those who are going to get it already do...
...and those who don't, won't.0 -
Tagging.
Run, SS. Run.
but, but, his gains...
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You know what gets me...
the first seven paragraphs talk about her issues, and her pre made cleanse, and how she felt better... and the LAST paragraph is actually unrelated. It's an... oh, I drink this smoothie three times a day. It's kind of like the cleanse one I was having.
The cleanse shake she had was pre-made. This one is her own devising. Does she even KNOW what went into the premade one? How did she decide on which ingredients to put in her own (did she even research parsley and what it does in large volumes) - and how are they tied to the cleanse one she was doing?
What WAS the actual purpose of the blog? Was it to sell the detox idea (the first 7 paragraphs), or was it to promote her "cool magic detox" smoothie (paragraph 8).
The sooner you stop trying to figure things like this out, the happier you will be.
Now here...take these pills to help calm you down and look at the pretty flowers.
Look at the flowers, Lizzie.0 -
Ok I do not see this as advice or info but a experience she is sharing. I know I am smart enough not to listen to others experience and use them a a example to follow. Like with everything on the internet you can not believe most of the info.
If this was a user's blog, then sure...personal experience and all that...
...but this is a *MFP SANCTIONED/PROMOTED ARTICLE*! This means that they at the very least they do not have an issue with the message.
*sigh*
Those who are going to get it already do...
...and those who don't, won't.
Maybe you aren't flexitarian enough.0 -
can't I just eat a variety of foods getting all required nutrition from food while eating a reasonable amount of calories for my weight loss/gain goals?Ok I do not see this as advice or info but a experience she is sharing. I know I am smart enough not to listen to others experience and use them a a example to follow. Like with everything on the internet you can not believe most of the info.
If this was a user's blog, then sure...personal experience and all that...
...but this is a *MFP SANCTIONED/PROMOTED ARTICLE*! This means that they at the very least they do not have an issue with the message.
*sigh*
Those who are going to get it already do...
...and those who don't, won't.
Maybe you aren't flexitarian enough.0 -
can't I just eat a variety of foods getting all required nutrition from food while eating a reasonable amount of calories for my weight loss/gain goals?Ok I do not see this as advice or info but a experience she is sharing. I know I am smart enough not to listen to others experience and use them a a example to follow. Like with everything on the internet you can not believe most of the info.
If this was a user's blog, then sure...personal experience and all that...
...but this is a *MFP SANCTIONED/PROMOTED ARTICLE*! This means that they at the very least they do not have an issue with the message.
*sigh*
Those who are going to get it already do...
...and those who don't, won't.
Maybe you aren't flexitarian enough.
Is that Atkins?0 -
Is that Atkins?
well, it doesn't inherently exclude Atkins...0 -
You know what gets me...
the first seven paragraphs talk about her issues, and her pre made cleanse, and how she felt better... and the LAST paragraph is actually unrelated. It's an... oh, I drink this smoothie three times a day. It's kind of like the cleanse one I was having.
The cleanse shake she had was pre-made. This one is her own devising. Does she even KNOW what went into the premade one? How did she decide on which ingredients to put in her own (did she even research parsley and what it does in large volumes) - and how are they tied to the cleanse one she was doing?
What WAS the actual purpose of the blog? Was it to sell the detox idea (the first 7 paragraphs), or was it to promote her "cool magic detox" smoothie (paragraph 8).
The sooner you stop trying to figure things like this out, the happier you will be.
Now here...take these pills to help calm you down and look at the pretty flowers.
Look at the flowers, Lizzie.
*dying* :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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