Oh Dear MFP suppots Detox and cleanses

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  • VBnotbitter
    VBnotbitter Posts: 820 Member
    Her credentials are that she lives in Brooklyn and has a kitchen. A kitchen, people. If there's a mandolin slicer and a sous vide circulator in there they might give her the whole damn site.

    I live in Australia and I have a kitchen ( don't most abodes??)

    Anyway I'm sure this must make me an expert in......


    Well, in something. :wink:

    Kangaroos
  • weather_nerd
    weather_nerd Posts: 93
    I really hope MFP floats my idea for a featured blog.

    I would like to discuss how a cold beer on a hot day is the greatest thing in the world. However, I'm sure Part-Time Jennifer would have something to say about this. Oh well, if it's so terrible for me I suppose I could just do her detox/cleanse/vegan/ diets. But only part-time, of course.
  • DebbieLyn63
    DebbieLyn63 Posts: 2,654 Member
    Okay... so this blogger is a member of the MFP community. She probably volunteered to write this blog for MFP, and they haven't bothered vetting the information she is providing.

    You say that as if you believe that MFP TPTB disagree with anything that she has written in her blog so far.

    I'm less than convinced.

    Yeah, and MFP is the one who automatically sets the protein level at only 15%, thus giving more room for vegan carbs. I have wondered about why they did that from the beginning. The 40/30/30 split has long been recommended as a base for most people.

    Now it makes sense.
  • jmv7117
    jmv7117 Posts: 891 Member
    Juicing is a very powerful way to increase vitamins, minerals, and fiber to your body in a quick way. You also have to really know what you are doing, as some already mentioned about parsley. Kale when juiced, also should be taken in moderation because it contains huge amounts of vitamin K, which is a natural blood thinner. If someone is about to have surgery or already on blood thinners, they could not juice large amounts of Kale.

    Someone stated that parsley does not remove heavy metals. Actually, studies have been done on cilantro and found that it does indeed remove heavy metals. Here are the links that explain more about it:
    http://phys.org/news/2013-09-cilantro-favorite-salsa-ingredient-purifies.html
    http://www.green-talk.com/cilantro-removes-toxic-heavy-metals-from-water-says-study/
    http://www.worldofchemicals.com/media/academy/cilantro-may-remove-toxic-heavy-metals-from-water-finds-new-study/6381.html
    http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/cilantro-chelation-therapy-heavy-metal-detox.html
    http://www.jashbotanicals.com/articles/cilantro-heavy-metals.html

    One of the studies stated "Cilantro's secret may lie in the structure of the outer walls of the microscopic cells that make up the plant. They have an architecture ideal for sorption of heavy metals. Other plants, including cilantro's cousins, parsley and culantro, have similar features and could potentially work as biosorbents"

    For all the science lovers out there, its really interesting.

    I think some people go to the other extreme and say they can eat what they want because their kidneys and liver will cleanse their bodies. While this is true, we cannot abuse our bodies and think our organs will not suffer the consequences. Alcoholics cause damage to their livers, many developing fatty liver disease, and there is also a form of Non-Alcoholics fatty liver disease, which may may be contributed to through eating excessive amounts of fatty foods.

    Are you by any chance the owner of "Jash Botanicals"?

    I hope not. A person selling herbal medicines should know that Vitamin K makes your blood clot more easily; it's not a blood thinner.

    Wow. First of all, I don't sell anything, and yes, you are right, vitamin K helps the blood clot, I mistakenly put that it thins the blood, but people on blood thinners need to be careful because it works against the medicine they are on.

    Herbs whether consumed fresh or as teas or dietary supplements can have negative side effects and/or interactions with other drugs including other dietary supplements. A spoonful of parsley isn't going to cause much in the way of side effects but 2 cups of it certainly has the potential to cause a lot of nasty side effects. If someone is going to use herbs for medicinal purposes, they need to do the research, be aware of the side effects and be constantly diligent with respect to any negative effects.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    Juicing is a very powerful way to increase vitamins, minerals, and fiber to your body in a quick way. You also have to really know what you are doing, as some already mentioned about parsley. Kale when juiced, also should be taken in moderation because it contains huge amounts of vitamin K, which is a natural blood thinner. If someone is about to have surgery or already on blood thinners, they could not juice large amounts of Kale.

    Someone stated that parsley does not remove heavy metals. Actually, studies have been done on cilantro and found that it does indeed remove heavy metals. Here are the links that explain more about it:
    http://phys.org/news/2013-09-cilantro-favorite-salsa-ingredient-purifies.html
    http://www.green-talk.com/cilantro-removes-toxic-heavy-metals-from-water-says-study/
    http://www.worldofchemicals.com/media/academy/cilantro-may-remove-toxic-heavy-metals-from-water-finds-new-study/6381.html
    http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/cilantro-chelation-therapy-heavy-metal-detox.html
    http://www.jashbotanicals.com/articles/cilantro-heavy-metals.html

    One of the studies stated "Cilantro's secret may lie in the structure of the outer walls of the microscopic cells that make up the plant. They have an architecture ideal for sorption of heavy metals. Other plants, including cilantro's cousins, parsley and culantro, have similar features and could potentially work as biosorbents"

    For all the science lovers out there, its really interesting.

    I think some people go to the other extreme and say they can eat what they want because their kidneys and liver will cleanse their bodies. While this is true, we cannot abuse our bodies and think our organs will not suffer the consequences. Alcoholics cause damage to their livers, many developing fatty liver disease, and there is also a form of Non-Alcoholics fatty liver disease, which may may be contributed to through eating excessive amounts of fatty foods.

    *May remove heavy metals from water* being the key words in those links. If any of those show it removing heavy metals from actual people (or even rats) pls let me know. Thxs.
  • Yagisama
    Yagisama Posts: 595 Member
    I just did a quick google search and found what I thought to be some very interesting research being done on the subject. I posted links that showed some actual studies being done. Didn't even notice what or if any site was selling anything.
    this in and of itself is a problem...people google something, read the names of the articles, and then post them to a forum as evidence of something without actually fully reading the content and vetting the sites. and the misinformation spreads. sigh.

    Yup. And when someone says provide research, they mean peer reviewed research that is published in a peer reviewed science journal like Nature or the New England journal of medicine Not a link to someone's blog that says cilantro removes toxic heavy metals.

    Pubmed search:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

    Point well taken. I did further research and found this article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8686573

    Would love to know what others think of this study.
    good try, small study (11 people) no listed peer review, and a hypothesis posted..... a long way to go before there is solid science. and it's in relation to a specific set of circumstances.

    Mom Science and Bro Science is far more fun than the real thing though because it breeds threads like this one ;)

    Exactly. At best, this paper's conclusion can be used to formulate a null hypothesis and the findings regarded Hg were by chance and not part of the main focus of the study.

    An actual study with a control group would then have to be done in order to verify the hypothesis.
  • DebbieLyn63
    DebbieLyn63 Posts: 2,654 Member

    I think some people go to the other extreme and say they can eat what they want because their kidneys and liver will cleanse their bodies. While this is true, we cannot abuse our bodies and think our organs will not suffer the consequences. Alcoholics cause damage to their livers, many developing fatty liver disease, and there is also a form of Non-Alcoholics fatty liver disease, which may may be contributed to through eating excessive amounts of fatty foods.

    NAFLD has not been linked to fatty foods specifically, but has been linked to uncontrolled glucose levels. People who are Type 2 diabetics, or have pre-diabetes are at a higher risk of developing NAFLD. So it is high levels of carbs, NOT dietary fats, that increase this risk.
  • Zumaria1
    Zumaria1 Posts: 225 Member
    I just did a quick google search and found what I thought to be some very interesting research being done on the subject. I posted links that showed some actual studies being done. Didn't even notice what or if any site was selling anything.
    this in and of itself is a problem...people google something, read the names of the articles, and then post them to a forum as evidence of something without actually fully reading the content and vetting the sites. and the misinformation spreads. sigh.

    Yup. And when someone says provide research, they mean peer reviewed research that is published in a peer reviewed science journal like Nature or the New England journal of medicine Not a link to someone's blog that says cilantro removes toxic heavy metals.

    Pubmed search:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

    Point well taken. I did further research and found this article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8686573

    Would love to know what others think of this study.

    Very good. Now, besides having the word parsley in the title of the article, what can you tell me about this paper. What are the conclusions of this paper and why did you find it relevant to this discussion.

    If you're going to link to a research paper, at the very least you should have some thing to say about it.

    Edit- Interestingly enough I did some research on Cytomegalovirus for my immunology class back in college.

    So, correct me if I'm wrong. Hg deposits were formed as a result of the decay of radioactive Thallium 201 that was injected for cardiac SPECT in the organs of the author of the paper. And by chance he ate some Vietnamese soup, which contained cilantro, and this was found to eliminate the Hg deposits.

    Is the takeaway that if you inject radioactive Thallium into yourself, you will have Hg deposits and will need cilantro to eliminate these deposits?

    No actually, reading through the study, you will see that they after they saw the success with him eating the soup, they actually found a pharmaceutical company to make Chinese parsley tablets to distribute to the patients, and saw drastic improvements in expelling the mercury out in their urine.
  • Zumaria1
    Zumaria1 Posts: 225 Member
    Juicing is a very powerful way to increase vitamins, minerals, and fiber to your body in a quick way. You also have to really know what you are doing, as some already mentioned about parsley. Kale when juiced, also should be taken in moderation because it contains huge amounts of vitamin K, which is a natural blood thinner. If someone is about to have surgery or already on blood thinners, they could not juice large amounts of Kale.

    Someone stated that parsley does not remove heavy metals. Actually, studies have been done on cilantro and found that it does indeed remove heavy metals. Here are the links that explain more about it:
    http://phys.org/news/2013-09-cilantro-favorite-salsa-ingredient-purifies.html
    http://www.green-talk.com/cilantro-removes-toxic-heavy-metals-from-water-says-study/
    http://www.worldofchemicals.com/media/academy/cilantro-may-remove-toxic-heavy-metals-from-water-finds-new-study/6381.html
    http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/cilantro-chelation-therapy-heavy-metal-detox.html
    http://www.jashbotanicals.com/articles/cilantro-heavy-metals.html

    One of the studies stated "Cilantro's secret may lie in the structure of the outer walls of the microscopic cells that make up the plant. They have an architecture ideal for sorption of heavy metals. Other plants, including cilantro's cousins, parsley and culantro, have similar features and could potentially work as biosorbents"

    For all the science lovers out there, its really interesting.

    I think some people go to the other extreme and say they can eat what they want because their kidneys and liver will cleanse their bodies. While this is true, we cannot abuse our bodies and think our organs will not suffer the consequences. Alcoholics cause damage to their livers, many developing fatty liver disease, and there is also a form of Non-Alcoholics fatty liver disease, which may may be contributed to through eating excessive amounts of fatty foods.

    *May remove heavy metals from water* being the key words in those links. If any of those show it removing heavy metals from actual people (or even rats) pls let me know. Thxs.

    Hello! Yes, I have actually found some studies since yesterday evening that I found to be quite fascinating, and which some here would probably find very interesting as well. I went into Google Scholar to look for more peer reviewed studies, and they have been doing studies with Chinese parsley and mice, one was dealing with the degenerative effects of aluminum chloride in mice and the regenerative effects of Chinese parsley, here is the link to that one:
    http://www.sciencepub.net/nature/ns0811/27_4062ns0811_202_213.pdf

    Also found another study regarding the protective role of Chinese parsley( using the seed and its extract) in lead-induced oxidative stress in rat liver and kidney. Here is that link: http://www.indianjournals.com/ijor.aspx?target=ijor:ctbp&volume=7&issue=2&article=008
  • FlaxMilk
    FlaxMilk Posts: 3,452 Member
    I am putting in another vote for not seeing the problem. After reading, the smoothie is not named the MFP smoothie and specifies that this particular smoothie was not all she drank in her actual cleanse, the writer does not list qualifications and even implies that she doesn't have education on this but just went along with a coworker, and states that it "could" be the right answer for someone but that each person has to make decisions based on the best interest of their health.

    I don't see the difference between a private business wanting to make money and ... a private business want to make money. No matter what food companies do, including striving for the "bliss factor," we defend it as fair business practices and the consumer's responsibility. We say they provide it, because that's what the consumer wants.

    The absolute only flaw I see is that I couldn't find their standard disclaimer about MFP info not being medical advice.
  • tedrickp
    tedrickp Posts: 1,229 Member
    the writer does not list qualifications and even implies that she doesn't have education on this but just went along with a coworker,

    So that is the standard we should hold MFP to?

    It has a massive audience that includes people with little to no understanding of nutrition, and promoting a blog post from someone with "no qualifications and no education on the subject" is not a flaw?
  • FlaxMilk
    FlaxMilk Posts: 3,452 Member

    So that is the standard we should hold MFP to?

    It has a massive audience that includes people with little to no understanding of nutrition, and promoting a blog post from someone with "no qualifications and no education on the subject" is not a flaw?

    For a free website who doesn't advertise that they will live your life for you and all of their information is unbiased and scientifically flawless, it meets my standards. The majority don't want to read scientific journals and like to read about new ideas, just like most people like fast food and don't want to eat broccoli every day.

    Complaining about a website's quality while actively using it seems like staging a protest against fast food while using the McD's restrooms. (Suggestions are different, bashing or acting like it's a problem that a business wants money are another animal.)

    Is McDonald's offering big soft drinks to an audience who has many who don't know much about nutrition and have no clue about what IIFYM means a flaw?
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    It would seem that they have edited that blog since they published on Monday. The words "detox" and "cleanse" have been removed from the post, however "cleanse" remains in the title.

    It is now a MyFitnessPal Green Breakfast Smoothie.
  • dayone987
    dayone987 Posts: 645 Member
    It would seem that they have edited that blog since they published on Monday. The words "detox" and "cleanse" have been removed from the post, however "cleanse" remains in the title.

    It is now a MyFitnessPal Green Breakfast Smoothie.

    Cleanse is still in the title ".Is a vegan cleanse right for you?"

    In the article:
    "I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body—and, oh boy, did I ever!"


    In the author's comments:

    Olympia1000
    Here are some of the health benefits: It’s packed with fiber and protein and loaded with calcium. While fiber content does help “clean you out” (to put it nicely), the main detoxifying ingredient is parsley. It promotes urinary tract health, balance blood sugars, fights bloating, bad breath and free radicals, and detox heavy metals out of your system – to name a few.
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    It would seem that they have edited that blog since they published on Monday. The words "detox" and "cleanse" have been removed from the post, however "cleanse" remains in the title.

    It is now a MyFitnessPal Green Breakfast Smoothie.

    Cleanse is still in the title ".Is a vegan cleanse right for you?"

    In the article:
    "I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body—and, oh boy, did I ever!"


    In the author's comments:

    Olympia1000
    Here are some of the health benefits: It’s packed with fiber and protein and loaded with calcium. While fiber content does help “clean you out” (to put it nicely), the main detoxifying ingredient is parsley. It promotes urinary tract health, balance blood sugars, fights bloating, bad breath and free radicals, and detox heavy metals out of your system – to name a few.

    Admittedly I only skimmed it this second time. My bad...

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