Oh Dear MFP suppots Detox and cleanses
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Oh dear I really question that MFP as a site should include this on their blog as by posting it is they are supporting such ideas. Luckily my liver and kidneys work very well and I've just come from the toilet (TMI) so as with everyone else my body is perfectly capable of cleansing itself
http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/2014/06/veg-out-is-a-vegan-cleanse-right-for-you/
N>B Excuse the spelling in the title
And there you be! This won't go well.0 -
Okay... so this blogger is a member of the MFP community. She probably volunteered to write this blog for MFP, and they haven't bothered vetting the information she is providing.
You say that as if you believe that MFP TPTB disagree with anything that she has written in her blog so far.
I'm less than convinced.0 -
I have toxins?! Omg, omg, omg, how much vegan juice do I drink to GET RID OF THEM?!?!? Please help, I can feel the toxins in my BODY!!!! Blehhhhhhhh (that's me dying from the toxins), blehhhhhhhhh, ahhhhhhrrg. (Don't worry, I'm just acting!)
But seriously, how much vegan juice do I need?!?!0 -
I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
You really will defend anything if the majority are against it :noway:
If it was just extra liquid - why doesn't she say just drink more water - why the need for a magical pre-made smoothie detox - probably available via her blog.
I suspect you are missing the point on purpose.
If there is a point, other than the words "detox" and/or "cleans" automatically make everything "unhealthy" and "against MFP rules", then yes I have missed it, though I don't really know how to miss something on purpose. Wouldn't that require first seeing it, and then missing it? Which would really just be pretending to miss it.
And I don't know what you mean by defending something. I've never been much of a 'Everyone's bashing this, so I should too" type person, but I just asked if all the fuss was about her word choice.
If you don't fit the groupthink you will be called names. Assimilate or shut up. ; ) Here's some hints:
Cleanse = bad
Detox = bad
Kettlebells = useless
Quest bars = good
IIFYM = good
Eating < BMR = bad
Lifting heavy = good
Any other lifting = cardio
Having a TDEE below 2000 = lazy
Muscle does not weigh more than fat
Got it?
You're right - lets forget science and just believe in magic fairy dust and unicorn farts :noway:
And vegan juice detox cleanses.0 -
Considering there is so much misinformation out there, I am glad to see the MyFitnessPal community calling into question the scientific validity of the blogger's claim about removing toxins.
I had just read the blog and my first thought was wondering how drinking fruit and vegetables with some protein powder in it specifically removes toxins from the body. I can understand how reducing processed sugar might lead to withdrawal symptoms followed by one feeling better. Or feeling better from lessoning the amount of bulk matter in the digestive tract. Or from something like reducing the amount of salt she is consuming. And even feeling better because she is getting needed vitamins, nutrients, and water from a diet rich in fruits and vegetables.
The blogger may be indeed getting benefit from making healthier choices compared to what she had been eating, but according to the numerous nutrition and physiology courses I have taken, she is stretching it when she claims that a vegan cleanse smoothie is specifically removing toxins from her system. The effects she is feeling are more likely coming from consuming healthier food items compared to what she had been eating.
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I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
You really will defend anything if the majority are against it :noway:
If it was just extra liquid - why doesn't she say just drink more water - why the need for a magical pre-made smoothie detox - probably available via her blog.
I suspect you are missing the point on purpose.
If there is a point, other than the words "detox" and/or "cleans" automatically make everything "unhealthy" and "against MFP rules", then yes I have missed it, though I don't really know how to miss something on purpose. Wouldn't that require first seeing it, and then missing it? Which would really just be pretending to miss it.
And I don't know what you mean by defending something. I've never been much of a 'Everyone's bashing this, so I should too" type person, but I just asked if all the fuss was about her word choice.
It's the meaning behind the word choice. If she simply presented this as a green smoothie that she has enjoyed, no one would say a thing, but the term "detox" and "cleanse" gives the impression that this recipe is somehow made better as a smoothie than if these ingredients were merely cooked together and served whole.
That was my point. It's personal offense and inference at the words, rather than what was actually written. She never actually wrote that the food offered different benefits than if eaten whole.
Honestly, the only questionable thing I saw was: "Is a vegan cleanse right for you? If you’re not looking for a weight-loss quick fix, and you’re willing to forgo most solid food for a few days, then the answer could be yes". Especailly coming right after she said she didn't know if she lost any weight.
Did you read the blog?
Here,
and here,But I felt better physically and mentally, and it got me on the right track with healthy eating and exercise again.Since the cleanse, I’ve been enjoying a Green Detox Smoothie for breakfast almost every morning. It’s packed with fiber and protein, which helps me start the day feeling full and energized.
Both of these statements, paired with her choice words "detox" and "cleanse," implies that there is an added benefit to this recipe as opposed to eating these foods whole.
I'm sorry, but I really did not infer that from the blog or those specific sentences. She was "lethargic and embarrassed" from stress and holiday overeating and wanted to get her "health and weight back on track". So she drank a smoothie of healthy foods and felt better. That doesn't sound magical to me.
But I don't tend to get bent out of shape over word choice. Tone, detox, cleanse, bad carbs, good fats, etc., none of that verbiage, that seems to make others see red, bothers me as long as I can get the gist of what is being said.0 -
I have toxins?! Omg, omg, omg, how much vegan juice do I drink to GET RID OF THEM?!?!? Please help, I can feel the toxins in my BODY!!!! Blehhhhhhhh (that's me dying from the toxins), blehhhhhhhhh, ahhhhhhrrg. (Don't worry, I'm just acting!)
But seriously, how much vegan juice do I need?!?!
The toxins? I'm not sure I understand... Are you talking about TEH TOXINZ??0 -
Oh yeah, this comes from the part-time vegan. I remember now! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Part time vegan? What the? How the? I can't.
For the lulz.
http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/2014/05/veg-out-why-i-became-a-part-time-vegan-plus-blueberry-basil-grilled-cheese-recipe/
ETA: The comments below the blog are the best.
OMG wow. I've been a vegetarian for 24 years, because that's right for me. To call oneself a part time vegan just makes me want to throat punch her.0 -
I'd also like to point out that Ca from spinach is poorly absorbed. Kale would be a better choice in the recipe if Ca availability is desired.0
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I have a hard time believing that she is an actual lawyer. I would expect her statements to be backed up with more real data/facts.0
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Best of all, somebody is actively deleting the comments that call the scientific validity of the post in to question.
By silencing the critics, you only confirm that you have no valid evidence to back up the claims.0 -
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I have toxins?! Omg, omg, omg, how much vegan juice do I drink to GET RID OF THEM?!?!? Please help, I can feel the toxins in my BODY!!!! Blehhhhhhhh (that's me dying from the toxins), blehhhhhhhhh, ahhhhhhrrg. (Don't worry, I'm just acting!)
But seriously, how much vegan juice do I need?!?!
The toxins? I'm not sure I understand... Are you talking about TEH TOXINZ??
YES! tEh ToXiNz!!!! HALP MEH PLERZ!!!!0 -
If you don't fit the groupthink you will be called names. Assimilate or shut up. ; ) Here's some hints:
Cleanse = bad
Detox = bad
Kettlebells = useless
Quest bars = good
IIFYM = good
Eating < BMR = bad
Lifting heavy = good
Any other lifting = cardio
Having a TDEE below 2000 = lazy
Muscle does not weigh more than fat
Got it?
This upsets me.
These things are not just randomly chosen. Heavy lifting, not eating below your BMR, muscle not weighing more than fat (by volume)... these are facts. This is solid and proven advice. This is how you learn.
I know you want to live in a world where everyone's opinion is equal. Where it's not evidenced based results that matter, but the way something makes you feel that's important.
Well you can **** off to it. Because you may feel nice and squisy in the cockles of your heart, but you won't lose a damned pound.
The longtime MFP user who's changed their lives, lost the weight and kept it off, is 100000x a better source of knowledge than the lady who signed up last week, isn't sure how things work, but read half an article in Vogue once a few years ago.
You know what you can't argue with? Results. I listened to all that "dumb advice" you chose to list (well, of course not all of it, never been much of a kettelbell man myself) and it worked. I got in shape.
Combating bad advice is not fostering some mindless group think. It's helping people.
Oohhhh wait, do you have shakes you're trying to sell? Because that would make a lot of sense.
QFT!!!!0 -
Okay... so this blogger is a member of the MFP community. She probably volunteered to write this blog for MFP, and they haven't bothered vetting the information she is providing.
You say that as if you believe that MFP TPTB disagree with anything that she has written in her blog so far.
I'm less than convinced.
I don't believe MFP is in support of anything other than healthy and safe diet and fitness practices. This doesn't neccessarily qualify as unhealthy or unsafe. Just misleading.0 -
Best of all, somebody is actively deleting the comments that call the scientific validity of the post in to question.
By silencing the critics, you only confirm that you have no valid evidence to back up the claims.
And if you're persistent in your questioning of the information provided, they'll block your disqus account from commenting at all...
...for the betterment of society as a whole or something, I suppose.0 -
I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body -This misinformation - utter nonsense.
First, you feel "bad" at first because you have diarrhea and most likely are dehydrated, that's not normal unless you eat something with "toxins" in it or have IBS and still your body is doing it's normal job. So the cleanse is still not detoxing anything out of your body, your body is.
What happened to the use of logic in this world? That's a rhetorical question.
I have to agree, you feel horrible and weak because everything is moving faster than your body can absorb the nutrients...and...TMI...it huts your backend
Sigh...I used to be someone who for whatever reason thought that blending and juicing was a magic fix, I totally admit it. I still love my Vitamix and enjoy a smoothie maybe twice a week or so on average but liquifying foods does not make the food more nutritious...0 -
TIL that parsley detoxes heavy metals. :noway:0
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People probably feel energized and cleansed after these things because they get so tired of cutting up produce and then cleaning their blender, they just eat less. Plus all the added fiber has cleansing effects, and they're feeling virtuous for having the willpower. Plus if they have any issues with grains or dairy or other avoided food groups, those will be eliminated.
I don't do these things but it doesn't make me mad that others do, or that they blog about them or MFP posts it.
MFP also cries 'starvation mode'. Consider the source.0 -
Okay... so this blogger is a member of the MFP community. She probably volunteered to write this blog for MFP, and they haven't bothered vetting the information she is providing.
You say that as if you believe that MFP TPTB disagree with anything that she has written in her blog so far.
I'm less than convinced.
I don't believe MFP is in support of anything other than healthy and safe diet and fitness practices. This doesn't neccessarily qualify as unhealthy or unsafe. Just misleading.
I guess I just see through their consistent actions to discern what I believe they support and don't support.
A good example would be to see whose comments have been stricken from the previous blog comments. It isn't the blog author who has that power, that's an MFP person. Their justice has been swift...
...and seemingly very one-sided.0 -
She says she never ate less than 1200 calories. Quick, someone tell her to open her diary on MFP!!!0
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" I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body—and, oh boy, did I ever!"
This was my favorite part... no, it was probably just your body wanting to know what in the hell it did to deserve this? !?!0 -
"We are unable to post your comment because you have been blocked by MyFitnessPal Blog."
Wow! You ticked off the wrong person somewhere :bigsmile:0 -
But I don't tend to get bent out of shape over word choice. Tone, detox, cleanse, bad carbs, good fats, etc., none of that verbiage, that seems to make others see red, bothers me as long as I can get the gist of what is being said.
Whereas I tend to actually believe that the words that people choose to use in "professional" writing are carefully chosen. If this person writes that she felt the "toxins" were gone, I would challenge to know the toxins. Word choice matters.0 -
I think you missed the sarcasm, and the point.If you don't fit the groupthink you will be called names. Assimilate or shut up. ; ) Here's some hints:
Cleanse = bad
Detox = bad
Kettlebells = useless
Quest bars = good
IIFYM = good
Eating < BMR = bad
Lifting heavy = good
Any other lifting = cardio
Having a TDEE below 2000 = lazy
Muscle does not weigh more than fat
Got it?
This upsets me.
These things are not just randomly chosen. Heavy lifting, not eating below your BMR, muscle not weighing more than fat (by volume)... these are facts. This is solid and proven advice. This is how you learn.
I know you want to live in a world where everyone's opinion is equal. Where it's not evidenced based results that matter, but the way something makes you feel that's important.
Well you can **** off to it. Because you may feel nice and squisy in the cockles of your heart, but you won't lose a damned pound.
The longtime MFP user who's changed their lives, lost the weight and kept it off, is 100000x a better source of knowledge than the lady who signed up last week, isn't sure how things work, but read half an article in Vogue once a few years ago.
You know what you can't argue with? Results. I listened to all that "dumb advice" you chose to list (well, of course not all of it, never been much of a kettelbell man myself) and it worked. I got in shape.
Combating bad advice is not fostering some mindless group think. It's helping people.
Oohhhh wait, do you have shakes you're trying to sell? Because that would make a lot of sense.0 -
" I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body—and, oh boy, did I ever!"
This was my favorite part... no, it was probably just your body wanting to know what in the hell it did to deserve this? !?!
No no, that was the heavy metals leaving her system thanks to the parsley.0 -
REALLY MFP???
I'm just going to sit here and watch this. Love me some Colin Ferguson.
For real! I'm hearing it in my head him saying "seriously"... Now I'm going to go read the nonsense blog posting and see if she does apple cider vinegar too... or essential oils...0 -
hese things are not just randomly chosen. Heavy lifting, not eating below your BMR, muscle not weighing more than fat (by volume)... these are facts. This is solid and proven advice. This is how you learn.
I know you want to live in a world where everyone's opinion is equal. Where it's not evidenced based results that matter, but the way something makes you feel that's important.
Well you can **** off to it. Because you may feel nice and squisy in the cockles of your heart, but you won't lose a damned pound.
The longtime MFP user who's changed their lives, lost the weight and kept it off, is 100000x a better source of knowledge than the lady who signed up last week, isn't sure how things work, but read half an article in Vogue once a few years ago.
You know what you can't argue with? Results. I listened to all that "dumb advice" you chose to list (well, of course not all of it, never been much of a kettelbell man myself) and it worked. I got in shape.
Combating bad advice is not fostering some mindless group think. It's helping people.
Oohhhh wait, do you have shakes you're trying to sell? Because that would make a lot of sense.
Actually eating below your BMR leading to negative consequences is a myth, at least with respect to the conclusion that eating below your BMR will necessarily cause muscle loss/health problems for every person. Do your research on muscle loss and you'll realize it's much more correlated to how much fat you have on your body than whether or not you eat below your BMR. For that matter, some people can go drastically under their BMR and not see any significant increase in the loss of LBM, provided they're getting adequate protein and their deficit is supportable from their fat stores.
If you're going to slam someone for not getting the "facts" right, at least get your own facts right. And for that matter, very little when it comes to exercise and nutrition science can be considered "fact" once you move beyond the most basic principles. Suggesting that "eating below your BMR = bad" is in any way, shape or form a "fact" is just laughable. It entirely depends on the person and the circumstances.I think you missed the sarcasm, and the point.
I found your post pretty humorous, and while I wouldn't use the term "bad", I'd say that terms like detox and cleanse (as well as clean eating) are too nebulous to be useful to anyone. To the extent a "cleanse" helps you break bad habits and begin to focus on eating healthy it can be helpful, but you aren't really "cleansing" anything or removing any "toxins" from your system.0 -
"We are unable to post your comment because you have been blocked by MyFitnessPal Blog."
Wow! You ticked off the wrong person somewhere :bigsmile:
If I had known, I would have saved a copy of the comments. While they were admittedly confrontational (insofar as they challenged the assertions of the author), they were also valid observations that were apparently easier to silence than to defend against.
Hmmm, I wonder if disqus keeps a log...0 -
I think you missed the sarcasm, and the point.If you don't fit the groupthink you will be called names. Assimilate or shut up. ; ) Here's some hints:
Cleanse = bad
Detox = bad
Kettlebells = useless
Quest bars = good
IIFYM = good
Eating < BMR = bad
Lifting heavy = good
Any other lifting = cardio
Having a TDEE below 2000 = lazy
Muscle does not weigh more than fat
Got it?
This upsets me.
These things are not just randomly chosen. Heavy lifting, not eating below your BMR, muscle not weighing more than fat (by volume)... these are facts. This is solid and proven advice. This is how you learn.
I know you want to live in a world where everyone's opinion is equal. Where it's not evidenced based results that matter, but the way something makes you feel that's important.
Well you can **** off to it. Because you may feel nice and squisy in the cockles of your heart, but you won't lose a damned pound.
The longtime MFP user who's changed their lives, lost the weight and kept it off, is 100000x a better source of knowledge than the lady who signed up last week, isn't sure how things work, but read half an article in Vogue once a few years ago.
You know what you can't argue with? Results. I listened to all that "dumb advice" you chose to list (well, of course not all of it, never been much of a kettelbell man myself) and it worked. I got in shape.
Combating bad advice is not fostering some mindless group think. It's helping people.
Oohhhh wait, do you have shakes you're trying to sell? Because that would make a lot of sense.
I think there was no sarcasm...
...and he absolutely nailed the point.0
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