Oh Dear MFP suppots Detox and cleanses

Slacker16

They probably don't mind a little controversy if the end result is more page hits to the blog.

You might be onto something. I use MFP to track macros and tro... I mean, post on the forums. I never even realized MFP had an official blog until the forums went simianfeces about it.

As for the "cleanse", she do what she do and I does what I does. When I want advice, I ask for it.

mojohowitz

leggup

I posted this as a response at 2:29 pm. Let's see how long it takes to be deleted from the comments:

"She quickly explained we’d be doing a vegan cleanse, in which we would eat 3 large smoothies a day, and snack on fruits, vegetables, and raw nuts, too. And, if I was really hungry, I could eat more fruits and veggies at dinnertime." How is this fad, VLCD, 'detox,' crash diet in any way promoted by a site that allegedly supports healthy, long term lifestyle changes? Shame on you, MyFitnessPal, for promoting a blogger with no nutritional expertise to disseminate pinterest-worthy misinformation.

#notbannedyet

UsedToBeHusky

Okay... so this blogger is a member of the MFP community. She probably volunteered to write this blog for MFP, and they haven't bothered vetting the information she is providing.

You say that as if you believe that MFP TPTB disagree with anything that she has written in her blog so far.

I'm less than convinced.

I don't believe MFP is in support of anything other than healthy and safe diet and fitness practices. This doesn't neccessarily qualify as unhealthy or unsafe. Just misleading.

I guess I just see through their consistent actions to discern what I believe they support and don't support.

A good example would be to see whose comments have been stricken from the previous blog comments. It isn't the blog author who has that power, that's an MFP person. Their justice has been swift...

...and seemingly very one-sided.

Hmmm... well I was thinking in terms of what Mike supports... it's possible that he is unaware of what is going on with the this new "official blog" component of his website. MFP is big business these days, you know.

SugaryLynx

" I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body—and, oh boy, did I ever!"

This was my favorite part... no, it was probably just your body wanting to know what in the hell it did to deserve this? !?!

No no, that was the heavy metals leaving her system thanks to the parsley.

Well, damn. I never want heavy metal to leave my system

QueenBishOTUniverse

I posted this as a response at 2:29 pm. Let's see how long it takes to be deleted from the comments:

"She quickly explained we’d be doing a vegan cleanse, in which we would eat 3 large smoothies a day, and snack on fruits, vegetables, and raw nuts, too. And, if I was really hungry, I could eat more fruits and veggies at dinnertime." How is this fad, VLCD, 'detox,' crash diet in any way promoted by a site that allegedly supports healthy, long term lifestyle changes? Shame on you, MyFitnessPal, for promoting a blogger with no nutritional expertise to disseminate pinterest-worthy misinformation.

#notbannedyet

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nilbogger

This is one of the areas where SparkPeople does a much better job.

EvgeniZyntx

This is one of the areas where SparkPeople does a much better job.

A whole load of other site do this better.

bcattoes

I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.

Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?

nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.

their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.

What misinformation?

"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"

if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.

"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.

It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.

i must have had my sarcasm font off. sorry.

she didnt say detox to mean she's laying pipe.
she said it because its a hot-topic buzzword, and knows full-well that the less informed will take it as gospel.

read the blog. read her replies to those questioning her.
then read how silly you sound trying to white knight this garbage.

I don't know what you mean by "white knight" the blog, but I also do not feel the need to bash anyone because they used an unpopular buzzword.

I've read the blog several times now, but on your suggestion I read the comments and her responses. Her responses seem quite adult and restrained, given the nature of the most of the comments. I didn't see anything in there about magical properties.

jofjltncb6

This is one of the areas where SparkPeople does a much better job.

A whole load of other site do this better.

By "this", do you mean an overall awareness of and consistency in their core beliefs throughout all "official" communications?

bcattoes

But I don't tend to get bent out of shape over word choice. Tone, detox, cleanse, bad carbs, good fats, etc., none of that verbiage, that seems to make others see red, bothers me as long as I can get the gist of what is being said.

Whereas I tend to actually believe that the words that people choose to use in "professional" writing are carefully chosen. If this person writes that she felt the "toxins" were gone, I would challenge to know the toxins. Word choice matters.

You want her to list the toxins? Why? We all ingest toxins.

ironanimal

But I don't tend to get bent out of shape over word choice. Tone, detox, cleanse, bad carbs, good fats, etc., none of that verbiage, that seems to make others see red, bothers me as long as I can get the gist of what is being said.

Whereas I tend to actually believe that the words that people choose to use in "professional" writing are carefully chosen. If this person writes that she felt the "toxins" were gone, I would challenge to know the toxins. Word choice matters.

You want her to list the toxins? Why? We all ingest toxins.

Which are processed by the liver and kidneys, and do not require the ingestion of a homemade laxative.

Holly_Roman_Empire

Somebody should tell her that for her recipe, it would have been beneficial for her to weigh her ingredients. Wtf is a cup of parsley? Or how do I log 6 medium strawberries?! smh

leggup

Somebody should tell her that for her recipe, it would have been beneficial for her to weigh her ingredients. Wtf is a cup of parsley? Or how do I log 6 medium strawberries?! smh

Hahahaha. I didn't even look at the units of measure. That is fantastic.

dayone987

But I don't tend to get bent out of shape over word choice. Tone, detox, cleanse, bad carbs, good fats, etc., none of that verbiage, that seems to make others see red, bothers me as long as I can get the gist of what is being said.

Whereas I tend to actually believe that the words that people choose to use in "professional" writing are carefully chosen. If this person writes that she felt the "toxins" were gone, I would challenge to know the toxins. Word choice matters.

You want her to list the toxins? Why? We all ingest toxins.

Which are processed by the liver and kidneys, and do not require the ingestion of a homemade laxative.

And the toxins the liver and kidneys can't handle are not going to be removed by parsley.

parkscs

My facts were fine. You didn't prove that eating below your BMR is beneficial. You just state, without supporting evidence, that it might not be the worst thing in the world for a certain subset of the population. So to call my post "laughable" is a real stretch.

You said it's a "fact" that you shouldn't eat below your BMR and that's not only a fact, but it's simply nonsense. For many people, eating below their BMR is perfectly fine in the sense that it may not lead to any significant increase in LBM loss and it leads to faster weight loss which may be exactly what they need. To have a blanket rule that says it's always "bad" to eat below your BMR is about as much broscience as saying you can "cleanse out the toxins" by drinking vegan smoothies. Other than in some incredibly lean people (and only there as a matter of coincidence), your BMR is not the threshold at which your body begins burning LBM for energy.

Edit: I'll add that if you do your research, you'll see studies suggesting your body can maintain a deficit of on average 31 kcal/lb of fat/day without any significantly increased loss of LBM caused by your body resorting to burning muscle for energy, and more recent studies suggesting that there's a ton of variability from person to person as to where that threshold really is. While some people are able to support 50+ kcal/lb of fat/day of deficit with no significant increase in the loss of LBM, other people are able to support only a much smaller caloric deficit before seeing a significant increase in LBM loss. While there's no universal bright line formula at present for calculating the maximum caloric deficit your body can support, what's 100% clear is that the threshold is not your BMR.

jofjltncb6

But I don't tend to get bent out of shape over word choice. Tone, detox, cleanse, bad carbs, good fats, etc., none of that verbiage, that seems to make others see red, bothers me as long as I can get the gist of what is being said.

Whereas I tend to actually believe that the words that people choose to use in "professional" writing are carefully chosen. If this person writes that she felt the "toxins" were gone, I would challenge to know the toxins. Word choice matters.

You want her to list the toxins? Why? We all ingest toxins.

Please name even ONE that is eliminated by drinking a homemade smoothie that wouldn't otherwise be eliminated by the body while eating a normal diet.

Since you referred to more than one (because "toxins"), surely this won't be hard to do. Just the name of even ONE, please.

Please?

nilbogger

This is one of the areas where SparkPeople does a much better job.

A whole load of other site do this better.

By "this", do you mean an overall awareness of and consistency in their core beliefs throughout all "official" communications?

What I meant by "this" is simply providing sane, logical advice on the latest fads. But, yes, I would say SparkPeople is a bit more consistent in its core values and beliefs.