Oh Dear MFP suppots Detox and cleanses
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REALLY MFP???
I'm just going to sit here and watch this. Love me some Colin Ferguson.0 -
Okay... so this blogger is a member of the MFP community. She probably volunteered to write this blog for MFP, and they haven't bothered vetting the information she is providing.0
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You say "Juice Clense?"... I say "No thanks hippie. I'll get the squirts from drinking beer and eating wings like a true American".
You are a true Patriot. :drinker:0 -
Okay... so this blogger is a member of the MFP community. She probably volunteered to write this blog for MFP, and they haven't bothered vetting the information she is providing.
Then more fool them - especially after her last blog got flamed.0 -
WEBMD: http://www.webmd.com/diet/detox-dietsThe Truth About Detox Diets
The Promise
They're popular, but they aren't proven to do what they say they'll do: flush toxins out of your system. In fact, they may be risky and even backfire.
Still thinking about it? You should know this first.
Do They Work?
You might lose weight on a detox diet, because they're usually very low in calories.
But the idea that your body needs help getting rid of toxins has "no basis in human biology," says Frank Sacks, MD, of the Harvard School of Public Health. Your organs and immune system handle those duties, no matter what you eat.
Plus, you're likely to lose weight and gain it back when you go off any extreme diet.
Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/consumer-health/expert-answers/colon-cleansing/faq-20058435Is colon cleansing a good way to eliminate toxins from your body?
Answers from Michael F. Picco, M.D.
Although doctors prescribe colon cleansing as preparation for medical procedures such as colonoscopy, most don't recommend colon cleansing for detoxification. Their reasoning is simple: Your digestive system and bowel naturally eliminate waste material and bacteria — your body doesn't need colon cleansing to do this.
Proponents of colon cleansing, on the other hand, believe that toxins from your gastrointestinal tract can cause a variety of health problems, such as arthritis, allergies and asthma. They believe that colon cleansing — also called a colonic or a colonic irrigation — improves health by removing toxins, promoting healthy intestinal bacteria, boosting your energy and enhancing your immune system. However, there's little evidence that colon cleansing produces these effects.
In fact, colon cleansing can sometimes be harmful. Colon cleansing can cause side effects, such as cramping, bloating, nausea and vomiting. More serious concerns with colon cleansing are that it can:
Increase your risk of dehydration
Lead to bowel perforations
Increase the risk of infection
Cause changes in your electrolytes, which can be dangerous if you have kidney disease or other health problems0 -
They probably don't mind a little controversy if the end result is more page hits to the blog.0
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I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body -This misinformation - utter nonsense.
First, you feel "bad" at first because you have diarrhea and most likely are dehydrated, that's not normal unless you eat something with "toxins" in it or have IBS and still your body is doing it's normal job. So the cleanse is still not detoxing anything out of your body, your body is.
What happened to the use of logic in this world? That's a rhetorical question.0 -
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^This.WEBMD: http://www.webmd.com/diet/detox-dietsThe Truth About Detox Diets
The Promise
They're popular, but they aren't proven to do what they say they'll do: flush toxins out of your system. In fact, they may be risky and even backfire.
Still thinking about it? You should know this first.
Do They Work?
You might lose weight on a detox diet, because they're usually very low in calories.
But the idea that your body needs help getting rid of toxins has "no basis in human biology," says Frank Sacks, MD, of the Harvard School of Public Health. Your organs and immune system handle those duties, no matter what you eat.
Plus, you're likely to lose weight and gain it back when you go off any extreme diet.
Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/consumer-health/expert-answers/colon-cleansing/faq-20058435Is colon cleansing a good way to eliminate toxins from your body?
Answers from Michael F. Picco, M.D.
Although doctors prescribe colon cleansing as preparation for medical procedures such as colonoscopy, most don't recommend colon cleansing for detoxification. Their reasoning is simple: Your digestive system and bowel naturally eliminate waste material and bacteria — your body doesn't need colon cleansing to do this.
Proponents of colon cleansing, on the other hand, believe that toxins from your gastrointestinal tract can cause a variety of health problems, such as arthritis, allergies and asthma. They believe that colon cleansing — also called a colonic or a colonic irrigation — improves health by removing toxins, promoting healthy intestinal bacteria, boosting your energy and enhancing your immune system. However, there's little evidence that colon cleansing produces these effects.
In fact, colon cleansing can sometimes be harmful. Colon cleansing can cause side effects, such as cramping, bloating, nausea and vomiting. More serious concerns with colon cleansing are that it can:
Increase your risk of dehydration
Lead to bowel perforations
Increase the risk of infection
Cause changes in your electrolytes, which can be dangerous if you have kidney disease or other health problems
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herp derp toxinz derp derp cleanze...vegan.0
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I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body -This misinformation - utter nonsense.
First, you feel "bad" at first because you have diarrhea and most likely are dehydrated, that's not normal unless you eat something with "toxins" in it or have IBS and still your body is doing it's normal job. So the cleanse is still not detoxing anything out of your body, your body is.
What happened to the use of logic in this world? That's a rhetorical question.
the logic was cleansed by the smoothie too.0 -
I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
You really will defend anything if the majority are against it :noway:
If it was just extra liquid - why doesn't she say just drink more water - why the need for a magical pre-made smoothie detox - probably available via her blog.
I suspect you are missing the point on purpose.
If there is a point, other than the words "detox" and/or "cleans" automatically make everything "unhealthy" and "against MFP rules", then yes I have missed it, though I don't really know how to miss something on purpose. Wouldn't that require first seeing it, and then missing it? Which would really just be pretending to miss it.
And I don't know what you mean by defending something. I've never been much of a 'Everyone's bashing this, so I should too" type person, but I just asked if all the fuss was about her word choice.
If you don't fit the groupthink you will be called names. Assimilate or shut up. ; ) Here's some hints:
Cleanse = bad
Detox = bad
Kettlebells = useless
Quest bars = good
IIFYM = good
Eating < BMR = bad
Lifting heavy = good
Any other lifting = cardio
Having a TDEE below 2000 = lazy
Muscle does not weigh more than fat
Got it?0 -
I soon learned that it’s normal to feel “bad” during the first phase of a cleanse as toxins are flushed out of your body -This misinformation - utter nonsense.
First, you feel "bad" at first because you have diarrhea and most likely are dehydrated, that's not normal unless you eat something with "toxins" in it or have IBS and still your body is doing it's normal job. So the cleanse is still not detoxing anything out of your body, your body is.
What happened to the use of logic in this world? That's a rhetorical question.
Yeah - I'm sure the feeling bad has nothing to do with drinking most of your food :noway:0 -
I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
You really will defend anything if the majority are against it :noway:
If it was just extra liquid - why doesn't she say just drink more water - why the need for a magical pre-made smoothie detox - probably available via her blog.
I suspect you are missing the point on purpose.
If there is a point, other than the words "detox" and/or "cleans" automatically make everything "unhealthy" and "against MFP rules", then yes I have missed it, though I don't really know how to miss something on purpose. Wouldn't that require first seeing it, and then missing it? Which would really just be pretending to miss it.
And I don't know what you mean by defending something. I've never been much of a 'Everyone's bashing this, so I should too" type person, but I just asked if all the fuss was about her word choice.
It's the meaning behind the word choice. If she simply presented this as a green smoothie that she has enjoyed, no one would say a thing, but the term "detox" and "cleanse" gives the impression that this recipe is somehow made better as a smoothie than if these ingredients were merely cooked together and served whole.
That was my point. It's personal offense and inference at the words, rather than what was actually written. She never actually wrote that the food offered different benefits than if eaten whole.
Honestly, the only questionable thing I saw was: "Is a vegan cleanse right for you? If you’re not looking for a weight-loss quick fix, and you’re willing to forgo most solid food for a few days, then the answer could be yes". Especailly coming right after she said she didn't know if she lost any weight.0 -
I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
You really will defend anything if the majority are against it :noway:
If it was just extra liquid - why doesn't she say just drink more water - why the need for a magical pre-made smoothie detox - probably available via her blog.
I suspect you are missing the point on purpose.
If there is a point, other than the words "detox" and/or "cleans" automatically make everything "unhealthy" and "against MFP rules", then yes I have missed it, though I don't really know how to miss something on purpose. Wouldn't that require first seeing it, and then missing it? Which would really just be pretending to miss it.
And I don't know what you mean by defending something. I've never been much of a 'Everyone's bashing this, so I should too" type person, but I just asked if all the fuss was about her word choice.
If you don't fit the groupthink you will be called names. Assimilate or shut up. ; ) Here's some hints:
Cleanse = bad
Detox = bad
Kettlebells = useless
Quest bars = good
IIFYM = good
Eating < BMR = bad
Lifting heavy = good
Any other lifting = cardio
Having a TDEE below 2000 = lazy
Muscle does not weigh more than fat
Got it?
science based reasoning = group think.0 -
I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
You really will defend anything if the majority are against it :noway:
If it was just extra liquid - why doesn't she say just drink more water - why the need for a magical pre-made smoothie detox - probably available via her blog.
I suspect you are missing the point on purpose.
If there is a point, other than the words "detox" and/or "cleans" automatically make everything "unhealthy" and "against MFP rules", then yes I have missed it, though I don't really know how to miss something on purpose. Wouldn't that require first seeing it, and then missing it? Which would really just be pretending to miss it.
And I don't know what you mean by defending something. I've never been much of a 'Everyone's bashing this, so I should too" type person, but I just asked if all the fuss was about her word choice.
If you don't fit the groupthink you will be called names. Assimilate or shut up. ; ) Here's some hints:
Cleanse = bad
Detox = bad
Kettlebells = useless
Quest bars = good
IIFYM = good
Eating < BMR = bad
Lifting heavy = good
Any other lifting = cardio
Having a TDEE below 2000 = lazy
Muscle does not weigh more than fat
Got it?
You're right - lets forget science and just believe in magic fairy dust and unicorn farts :noway:0 -
But grinding your food up in a machine gives it magical properties. MFP says so.
I just told a co-worker I would continue to try to get my daily veggie/fruit needs through actual fruits and veggies after she mentioned her new "green smoothie toxin eliminator drink." She was not impressed.0 -
But grinding your food up in a machine gives it magical properties. MFP says so.
I just told a co-worker I would continue to try to get my daily veggie/fruit needs through actual fruits and veggies after she mentioned her new "green smoothie toxin eliminator drink." She was not impressed.
Actually EATING fruits and veggies? Is that even POSSIBLE? O.o
(Also in for the gifs.
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I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
You really will defend anything if the majority are against it :noway:
If it was just extra liquid - why doesn't she say just drink more water - why the need for a magical pre-made smoothie detox - probably available via her blog.
I suspect you are missing the point on purpose.
If there is a point, other than the words "detox" and/or "cleans" automatically make everything "unhealthy" and "against MFP rules", then yes I have missed it, though I don't really know how to miss something on purpose. Wouldn't that require first seeing it, and then missing it? Which would really just be pretending to miss it.
And I don't know what you mean by defending something. I've never been much of a 'Everyone's bashing this, so I should too" type person, but I just asked if all the fuss was about her word choice.
It's the meaning behind the word choice. If she simply presented this as a green smoothie that she has enjoyed, no one would say a thing, but the term "detox" and "cleanse" gives the impression that this recipe is somehow made better as a smoothie than if these ingredients were merely cooked together and served whole.
That was my point. It's personal offense and inference at the words, rather than what was actually written. She never actually wrote that the food offered different benefits than if eaten whole.
Honestly, the only questionable thing I saw was: "Is a vegan cleanse right for you? If you’re not looking for a weight-loss quick fix, and you’re willing to forgo most solid food for a few days, then the answer could be yes". Especailly coming right after she said she didn't know if she lost any weight.
Did you read the blog?
Here,
and here,But I felt better physically and mentally, and it got me on the right track with healthy eating and exercise again.Since the cleanse, I’ve been enjoying a Green Detox Smoothie for breakfast almost every morning. It’s packed with fiber and protein, which helps me start the day feeling full and energized.
Both of these statements, paired with her choice words "detox" and "cleanse," implies that there is an added benefit to this recipe as opposed to eating these foods whole.0 -
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But grinding your food up in a machine gives it magical properties. MFP says so.
I just told a co-worker I would continue to try to get my daily veggie/fruit needs through actual fruits and veggies after she mentioned her new "green smoothie toxin eliminator drink." She was not impressed.
Using your teeth to grind your food is so primitive. You must process it in a machine to make it non processed and imbue it with healing powers.0 -
doh."We are unable to post your comment because you have been blocked by MyFitnessPal Blog."0 -
:sad:"We are unable to post your comment because you have been blocked by MyFitnessPal Blog."
cause you're all sensible and sciencey and stuff? I can see where that might be a problem for them :smokin:0 -
You say "Juice Clense?"... I say "No thanks hippie. I'll get the squirts from drinking beer and eating wings like a true American".
this! :drinker: 0 -
Of course, she doesn't mention what toxins are eliminated.
She posted another blog on MFP a few months ago that was was debatable on facts regarding harmful effects of animal protein.
I challenged some of her assertions in that one...engaged in a discussion with other commenters...and this was the result:
"We are unable to post your comment because you have been blocked by MyFitnessPal Blog."
So I guess her side won.0 -
I don't see anything unhealthy about the detox recipe or the 'cleanse' described. Are they necessary? No. But then a lot of things touted on MFP are not necessary. Does not being necessary make something bad? Again, no.
Is it simply the words "detox" and "cleanse" that causes all this uproar?
nothing inherently "unhealthy", but its just more misinformation that will be spread.
and with MFP promoting this blog, it implies that MFP buys into this malarky.
their credibility is getting flushed down the crapper, just...like....toxinz.
What misinformation?
"All the extra liquid helped cleanse and detox my system, and left me feeling refreshed and energized afterwards"
if she means it helped her take a dump...great.
but methinks she believes there are magical properties in these smoothies.
"If" "methinks" So, you don't really know whether she thinks there are magical properties? We all ingest toxins and extra liquid does help flush them from our bodies.
It is a pretty silly blog, but I think if it's read with an open mind there really isn't anything horrible or unhealthy in it. But I'll let you all get back to bashing it. Have fun.
i must have had my sarcasm font off. sorry.
she didnt say detox to mean she's laying pipe.
she said it because its a hot-topic buzzword, and knows full-well that the less informed will take it as gospel.
read the blog. read her replies to those questioning her.
then read how silly you sound trying to white knight this garbage.0 -
Because shutting down open and free discussion of a subject is always the sensible thing to do.Of course, she doesn't mention what toxins are eliminated.
She posted another blog on MFP a few months ago that was was debatable on facts regarding harmful effects of animal protein.
I challenged some of her assertions in that one...engaged in a discussion with other commenters...and this was the result:
"We are unable to post your comment because you have been blocked by MyFitnessPal Blog."
So I guess her side won.0 -
Considering there is so much misinformation out there, I am glad to see the MyFitnessPal community calling into question the scientific validity of the blogger's claim about removing toxins.
I had just read the blog and my first thought was wondering how drinking fruit and vegetables with some protein powder in it specifically removes toxins from the body. I can understand how reducing processed sugar might lead to withdrawal symptoms followed by one feeling better. Or feeling better from lessoning the amount of bulk matter in the digestive tract. Or from something like reducing the amount of salt she is consuming. And even feeling better because she is getting needed vitamins, nutrients, and water from a diet rich in fruits and vegetables.
The blogger may be indeed getting benefit from making healthier choices compared to what she had been eating, but according to the numerous nutrition and physiology courses I have taken, she is stretching it when she claims that a vegan cleanse smoothie is specifically removing toxins from her system. The effects she is feeling are more likely coming from consuming healthier food items compared to what she had been eating.0 -
Oh yeah, this comes from the part-time vegan. I remember now! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Part time vegan? What the? How the? I can't.
For the lulz.
http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/2014/05/veg-out-why-i-became-a-part-time-vegan-plus-blueberry-basil-grilled-cheese-recipe/
ETA: The comments below the blog are the best.
I see they purged my comments in that one too...
...including such incendiary points such as my questioning the lipid hypothesis re serum cholesterol.
Moral of the story: when posting to the MFP blog comments, don't use a registered disqus account...but use a guest account instead (at least until they disable that).0 -
What a load of ****e.0
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