Strong in weight room means nothing outside of it
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It depends on how you train your body- are you trying to improve on doing the same moves over and over or are you trying to improve your full body and actual capabilities?
I'm a recruiter and I've recruited for many roles involving heavy lifting. I've had guys come in for interviews bragging that they could lift 250lbs, they were body builders, etc (and looked like it too- I never called their gyms during my reference checks, lol) but when it came to the actual job they couldn't do it.
And then I've had scrawny, super lean guys who could come in and move fridges and appliances around, carrying up/down stairs (with a partner but no lifting equipment).
A trainer once told me that a lot of guys go into the gym and just focus on weights on the body parts they want to build. They get wicked arms but don't bother working on different body parts so have no back strength (most common thing she found). If you're not stable at your core (both front and back) then you're not going to be able to lift much when it comes down to moving the way you need to in real life.
I think this is why it's important to cross train and do different routines- not just stick to the same thing. Something I'm trying to work on lol
A lot of that is being able to feel the weight and knowing how to pivot it too.0 -
My training partner at the gym is an ex pro boxer - MUCH stronger than me in every department. I can hit a golf ball further than him and kick a ball harder than him, and sprint faster than him, and smash a shuttlecock harder than him, and strike a cue ball harder than him. Strength has little to do with those clearly
Until you reach high levels of strength, sprinting is very much a strength activity.
You can squat and deadlift your way to a sub 12 sec 100m.
Strength work eventually has diminishing returns, and plyometric work becomes more appropriate for training, but at that point you are very strong.
Strength plays some part in sprinting for sure - but so does technique, and it's also a fact that some people have more fast twitch fibres than others. Two people of equal leg strength who weigh the same would certainly not necessarily be equal sprinters0 -
I think compound exercises (eg burpees) are better for real world application and agility, while bicep curls etc help you look good, but not as helpful in real world applications!
So I emphasize compound exercises!
But that's just me!
Each to his own!0 -
I get what the OP is saying though. There are a lot of guys out there (I don't think women are like this, could be wrong) who lift weights or work out really intensely, but never seem to DO anything with it. It's like the old joke, "We're working out just so we can get through our workouts."
Now you shouldn't judge anyone, any motivation to exercise is a good reason, yada yada. But I know for me I couldn't imagine doing all that work in the gym just to take good selfies. I like to get out and test myself. See if all that time in the gym has really paid off or not. Can I climb a rope? Can I make it up a mountain? That sort of thing.
I've always wanted whatever strength I had to be functional, and not just for looks.
I don't still...these people (woman included) who lift massive amounts of weight in the gym but never seem to DO anything with it...how do you know what they do with it?
I lift heavy and it makes it easier for me to hand till my garden rows, or carry the groceries in or change my tire or move my sofa...or take my 20 year old son down...well maybe not down but I give him a good go around...
Being strong makes life in general easier...people have no idea how other people apply their workouts in "real life"
I tend to have the same thought process. For example, this past weekend I used an ax to split wood and remove small stumps for a good hour and felt very little fatigue, which I attribute to time spent lifting weights.0 -
So what good is it to be so strong in the weight room if it doesn't translate over to anything else?
There's a famous bodybuilder called Frank McGrath who was in a bad car accident. He was told that his size and strength almost certainly saved his life
That's a pretty big translation to the real world!0 -
Op used one example to prove his point on a world scale. It means nothing.
On that end, I am a grappler. I took some time off, but was still
In the gym and really god damn strong. I came back, and did a tournament against people of a higher belt level and who have better technique. I cut through them because I was a lot stronger than them. Does it mean strength will always win? Course not. My instructor, who i out weight but more than a 100lbs, will absolutely destroy me.0 -
I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!0 -
I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!0 -
I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!
Could he move a flowerpot?0 -
I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!
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Um. It is basketball. A skilled sport that does not necessarily rely on strength and relies more on your actual basketball skills.I know a certain fellow who is a beast in the weight room, lifting incredible amounts of weight in every lift I've seen him do. Far more weight than I can do in any of these same lifts. Yet when I played a simple game of basketball against said fellow I was surprised to find that I could hold my own against him down in the post. Don't get me wrong he was strong and all but he couldn't budge me from my positioning anymore than I could budge him, we were basically even, except unfortunantly for him I was much more agile in the game and had an advantage there.
It made me wonder what good is all that weight room strength this fellow has if it did nothing for him in real world applications? Furthermore there are many individuals, even some women, who can lift more than me in many lifts yet in real world applications of strength they have nothing on me.
So what good is it to be so strong in the weight room if it doesn't translate over to anything else?
Now..many of the talented hoops players are very strong, but your BASKETBALL Playing ability comes first, and then they add in the strength.
and I would imagine....being strong would come into play and be more beneficial in real world applications more than being a good basketball player......0 -
play a full contact sport like football and see how you fair instead. Bet he can bring you to the ground harder than you can him.0
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Whoa there's a quantum leap!I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!
I think the OP would have been better off saying:
"What's the point of being strong in the weight room, when there appears to be little advantage outside of the gym, even in activities where strength was an advantage?"
The responses might be similar but without the exaggerated replies0 -
So what good is it to be so strong in the weight room if it doesn't translate over to anything else?
And what does being good in basketball get you in anything else?
It is a matter of personal goals.
And I beat doctors, lawyers, a few judges, VP's, city managers, major oil tycoons, and a very popular rock star in tennis, yet I am none of those.
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Whoa there's a quantum leap!I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!
I think the OP would have been better off saying:
"What's the point of being strong in the weight room, when there appears to be little advantage outside of the gym, even in activities where strength was an advantage?"
The responses might be similar but without the exaggerated replies
The OP would have been better off leaving the basketball anecdote off entirely, because it's completely meaningless and silly.
BTW, "quantum leap" doesn't mean what you appear to think it means. Probably better if you don't use the phrase.0 -
Whoa there's a quantum leap!I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!
I think the OP would have been better off saying:
"What's the point of being strong in the weight room, when there appears to be little advantage outside of the gym, even in activities where strength was an advantage?"
The responses might be similar but without the exaggerated replies
Except that since the op is trolling that wouldn't have led to the desired response.
You'll notice he hasn't been back. :yawn:0 -
Whoa there's a quantum leap!I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!
I think the OP would have been better off saying:
"What's the point of being strong in the weight room, when there appears to be little advantage outside of the gym, even in activities where strength was an advantage?"
The responses might be similar but without the exaggerated replies
The OP would have been better off leaving the basketball anecdote off entirely, because it's completely meaningless and silly.
BTW, "quantum leap" doesn't mean what you appear to think it means. Probably better if you don't use the phrase.
I used the phrase as per the Oxford English Dictionary:
A sudden large increase or advance
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/quantum-leap
Fits perfectly thanks
The basketball anecdote was then entire core of his argument - without that there would be no thread - whether that would be advisable is another matter of course!0 -
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Why does it have to translate to basketball, though? Couldn't being able to lift heavy for the sake of being able to lift heavy be enough? Why does it need to be justified?
You can just want it. Even if it doesn't make sense to anyone else.0 -
Whoops not heavy rocks, but "heavy flower pots"OP did you ever post that video of you just walking into a gym and deadlifting 315 because you move "heavy rocks" in your garden?
#snapcity
OH MAN, I remember this guy! Hahaha... that was a great conversation
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/979746-female-legstrength?page=4
No, video of deadlifts, but I could post a video of me lifting fully loaded flower pots if prudent.
Post a video of you loading one onto a scale that then reads "315 lbs"0 -
I once played tennis against a guy who was a doctor. A DOCTOR! This guy went to college and then med school for 8 years, then did like 5 years of residency before becoming an oncologist!
Unbelievable. And I beat him at tennis!
WHAT GOOD IS 13 YEARS OF HIGHER EDUCATION IF IT HAS NO APPLICATION IN THE REAL WORLD?!
Being strong is of no advantage in doctoring skills, being strong is (should be) of great advantage in basketball (see Shaq).
Oh so being strong DOES help in basketball.
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So what good is it to be so strong in the weight room if it doesn't translate over to anything else?
If for no other reason, (for men) you should want to add as much muscle as you possibly can between the ages of 15 and 38, because after you turn 40, your testosterone and metabolism are basically non-existent. Life will suck for anyone who suffers from low-T.0 -
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So what good is it to be so strong in the weight room if it doesn't translate over to anything else?
If for no other reason, (for men) you should want to add as much muscle as you possibly can between the ages of 15 and 38, because after you turn 40, your testosterone and metabolism are basically non-existent. Life will suck for anyone who suffers from low-T.
What about if you're 39? Tell me there's hope for us 39ers out there? Something? Anything?0 -
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I never said that I beat him in basketball. My point was that he could not push me around in basketball despite how much more than me he lifts in the weight room.
SO just because somebody can perform some lift with more weight than I can doesn't mean that it will translate to being an advantage for them over me in anything other than that lift.
I recall once when I was much younger a certain fellow telling me not to mess with him, and his main point being that he could bench 315 when he was in grade 10, and I was thinking great what are you going to do bench press me to death?
Do you think his ability to push you on the court would have been more, less, or unchanged if he were significantly weaker in the weight room?0 -
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