Hey bro! You a Metrosexual or a Spornosexual?

asdowe13

Wait so... is Mr. Tolerable single?

"now I ain't saying she's a golddigger........"

alioopwontonsoup

This made me laugh so hard

UsedToBeHusky

Does this guy remind anyone else of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho?

^That is a bit inappropriate.

Actually, if you have read the Book by ellis or have seen Bale's performance as the character and then reference this thread and this thread alone you can see the mirroring of Bateman. If your offense comes from the murdering aspect then you should not be offended because he didn't actually murder anyone. Well, maybe the homeless guy. It is more about how he uses fashion and flash, and flair to move up in society. Title and power were all that mattered to him and in his craze to become more powerful he started to lose himself into fantastical fantasies where he actually believed he were murdering these people. The way I see it is he tried so hard to live this fantasy and become what he imagined that the line blurred between reality and fantasy. Keep in mind that I have no formal education and I am by no means an expert on literature, symbolism, or phsychology. That is simply what I take away from the story.

Anyway, I lost my train of thought. Your reference to the material things and success and how hand in hand they are and that one feeds the other reflects the very same morality and mentality of Batemen. I actually had the same comparison running in my head before she said anything.

^you must have not read the book. he did murder them Ellis talks about it further in lunar park.

and yeah I am offended about the murdering aspect - that is a repulsive comparison. If I was being compared to Victor Ward - then sure it could be an insult in some ways but applicable in others - but Batemen and me have about nothing in common.

Sorry, I was tangenting about the Movie. In the interviews with Ellis he says they were murdered but in the movie version it was all in his head. Either way, you lose the point of the reference when you wrap yourself up in the murder aspect of it. Looking past the murderous habit the similarities are still very abundant. The depth that your materialism goes in this thread and your importance that you place on status, brands, and persona are all very Bateman like.

I 100% agree I am too materialistic, I basically conditioned myself to be materialistic because I was an addict that with a nihilistic worldview. With there being no point at all to existence, I abused substances because it felt - well you could feel something period which was nice at the time. - of course my life spiraled embarrassingly out of control, had to drop out of college and move back in with my parents even to get my head back on straight and to grow up. - humbling to admit. I was depression personified, and with no point at all to life I figured I might as well work to kill time and get nice things? - so I ditched 99% of the druggie idiot friends I used to have and surrounded myself around ppl that I had viewed as successful and tried to become just like them - and in many ways I achieved that... but I achieved it without developing still a real purpose per se... because when viewing the cosmos as a whole or even realizing we are in a parallel universe with really no purpose.. it is all a bit meaningless - even the clothes and wealth.. idk I feel happier WAYY happier being sober and a health nut - but I still in a sense feel as if I am just. killing. time.

..as for substance I will totally admit I have been feeling like I lack... purpose? idk how to structure how I feel about it.. but I am aware I am not exactly developed in the ideal manner in regards to substance...

and that is humbling to admit!

Admitting you have a problem is the first step? Do you think you may have exchanged one addiction for the other?

Retail therapy..it's not just a river in Egypt.

I mean idk if I have a problem with shopping? Its not like I have anydebt.. zero - not even school loans... if that is what you mean..

Honestly, the problem is not that you buy nice things... or even that you like nice things...

The problem is that you let nice things define you. You need to define yourself. You need to let the quality of your character, your knowledge, skills, talents, and abilities define you.

notamoment

Wait so... is Mr. Tolerable single?

Only every other week

He only dates high schoolers though :smokin:

notamoment

This made me laugh so hard

Not as hard as your daisy dog head made me laugh.

UsedToBeHusky

Can I recommend an NA meeting (since you are recovering from subtance abuse)? Addiction isn't really about the drugs that we do but our attitude towards ourselves and others. If you really don't want to revisit the substance abuse, there is also a group called Celebrate Recovery that covers these principles without singling out a specific vice in one's life.

MrTolerable

Sounds like mid life crisis for men. Dazed and confused, just trying to be cool on the internets.

^have no idea what you mean?

This is applicable for young men.

neandermagnon

Does this guy remind anyone else of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho?

^That is a bit inappropriate.

Actually, if you have read the Book by ellis or have seen Bale's performance as the character and then reference this thread and this thread alone you can see the mirroring of Bateman. If your offense comes from the murdering aspect then you should not be offended because he didn't actually murder anyone. Well, maybe the homeless guy. It is more about how he uses fashion and flash, and flair to move up in society. Title and power were all that mattered to him and in his craze to become more powerful he started to lose himself into fantastical fantasies where he actually believed he were murdering these people. The way I see it is he tried so hard to live this fantasy and become what he imagined that the line blurred between reality and fantasy. Keep in mind that I have no formal education and I am by no means an expert on literature, symbolism, or phsychology. That is simply what I take away from the story.

Anyway, I lost my train of thought. Your reference to the material things and success and how hand in hand they are and that one feeds the other reflects the very same morality and mentality of Batemen. I actually had the same comparison running in my head before she said anything.

^you must have not read the book. he did murder them Ellis talks about it further in lunar park.

and yeah I am offended about the murdering aspect - that is a repulsive comparison. If I was being compared to Victor Ward - then sure it could be an insult in some ways but applicable in others - but Batemen and me have about nothing in common.

Sorry, I was tangenting about the Movie. In the interviews with Ellis he says they were murdered but in the movie version it was all in his head. Either way, you lose the point of the reference when you wrap yourself up in the murder aspect of it. Looking past the murderous habit the similarities are still very abundant. The depth that your materialism goes in this thread and your importance that you place on status, brands, and persona are all very Bateman like.

I 100% agree I am too materialistic, I basically conditioned myself to be materialistic because I was an addict that with a nihilistic worldview. With there being no point at all to existence, I abused substances because it felt - well you could feel something period which was nice at the time. - of course my life spiraled embarrassingly out of control, had to drop out of college and move back in with my parents even to get my head back on straight and to grow up. - humbling to admit. I was depression personified, and with no point at all to life I figured I might as well work to kill time and get nice things? - so I ditched 99% of the druggie idiot friends I used to have and surrounded myself around ppl that I had viewed as successful and tried to become just like them - and in many ways I achieved that... but I achieved it without developing still a real purpose per se... because when viewing the cosmos as a whole or even realizing we are in a parallel universe with really no purpose.. it is all a bit meaningless - even the clothes and wealth.. idk I feel happier WAYY happier being sober and a health nut - but I still in a sense feel as if I am just. killing. time.

..as for substance I will totally admit I have been feeling like I lack... purpose? idk how to structure how I feel about it.. but I am aware I am not exactly developed in the ideal manner in regards to substance...

and that is humbling to admit!

Admitting you have a problem is the first step? Do you think you may have exchanged one addiction for the other?

Retail therapy..it's not just a river in Egypt.

I mean idk if I have a problem with shopping? Its not like I have anydebt.. zero - not even school loans... if that is what you mean..

it's not about whether you can afford stuff, it;s about the fact that buying stuff won't make you happy. Counselling might help, to get to the root of the issues that caused you to abuse drugs in the past, and that's causing you to seek happiness in things. Happiness comes from within. Outside things only distract you from being miserable. If you're not happy inside, then you need to deal with the issues that are stopping you from being happy.

MrTolerable

Can I recommend an NA meeting (since you are recovering from subtance abuse)? Addiction isn't really about the drugs that we do but our attitude towards ourselves and others. If you really don't want to revisit the substance abuse, there is also a group called Celebrate Recovery that covers these principles without singling out a specific vice in one's life.

^ i used to attend those during my first two years of sobriety - I have about 4 years+ under my belt I did AA, NA, and even went to Celebrate Recovery - it's good but they focus on ppl that are still struggling with using... I struggle with saying no to eating a piece of white bread and making my six pack not look as attractive - there isn't a chance in the world I'm ever using again - using was me putting a bandaid on a bigger problem and that is I felt that there is no real purpose for our existence. In the grand scheme of things at the lvl of the cosmos we are insignificant as a hair on a gnats rear -

now your input on not letting my things define me. - that is good I will admit I am totally doing that. I will continue working on enhancing your recommendations - its a slow process tho .

Junken__Diraffe

Sweet! I'm a twentieth century male!

devil_in_a_blue_dress

For clarity's sake, are you and Nutella one in the same? Or is the name change you refer to from ScottieJM to MrTolerable?

Myhaloslipped

Can I recommend an NA meeting (since you are recovering from subtance abuse)? Addiction isn't really about the drugs that we do but our attitude towards ourselves and others. If you really don't want to revisit the substance abuse, there is also a group called Celebrate Recovery that covers these principles without singling out a specific vice in one's life.

^ i used to attend those during my first two years of sobriety - I have about 4 years+ under my belt I did AA, NA, and even went to Celebrate Recovery - it's good but they focus on ppl that are still struggling with using... I struggle with saying no to eating a piece of white bread and making my six pack not look as attractive - there isn't a chance in the world I'm ever using again - using was me putting a bandaid on a bigger problem and that is I felt that there is no real purpose for our existence. In the grand scheme of things at the lvl of the cosmos we are insignificant as a hair on a gnats rear -

now your input on not letting my things define me. - that is good I will admit I am totally doing that. I will continue working on enhancing your recommendations - its a slow process tho .

Agreed. Because when your looks fade with age, you don't want to end up like this guy:



Don't let this happen to you. :laugh:

kinkyslinky16

I would date Zach Galifianakis in a heartbeat!!

Myhaloslipped

I would date Zach Galifianakis in a heartbeat!!

lol, I probably would too. I just love the message of that gif. Cracks me up every time.

_KitKat_

"the rise of the ‘spornosexual’ - a social media- and selfie-obsessed male who takes cues on his appearance from sport and porn. "

I am sorry, read this whole thread and for some reason this kept popping out at me.

If a 'spornosexual' takes his cues from porn.............hold on, this is a marketing term, therefore it should have been acknowledged that the straight porn industry mostly deals with average to below average males. The purpose for this is to give the viewer a sense that these men are not better and that even a below average (looks) guy can screw a good looking, woman. I do have the marketing knowledge for this, I do web design, social media marketing, development and SEO (I am not a content writer, so bash my grammar it's fine). One of my clients is a legend in the gay porn industry, when working on his projects, I had to ask " why the gay porn stars were so much better looking than the straight?" . He informed me that the good looking guys could cause the men watching straight porn to feel self conscious and needed to feel they had a chance at these girls. He also told me often good looking men trying to get into porn, get rejected and many gay porn stars are in real life straight. I did more research and spoke with people at the studios and casting directors (had to anyways because of the projects), they all confirmed this. So if these "spornosexual" guys are taking cues from porn, they are aiming for below average and I do not see how any man should step up his game to aspire to this.

*not saying a average guy can not have a beautiful SO, purely as marketing this strategy is used.


Sorry that just seemed odd to me. Also Brah you do have issues. The thread was a good laugh though so thanks.

MyChocolateDiet

Does this guy remind anyone else of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho?

^That is a bit inappropriate.

Actually, if you have read the Book by ellis or have seen Bale's performance as the character and then reference this thread and this thread alone you can see the mirroring of Bateman. If your offense comes from the murdering aspect then you should not be offended because he didn't actually murder anyone. Well, maybe the homeless guy. It is more about how he uses fashion and flash, and flair to move up in society. Title and power were all that mattered to him and in his craze to become more powerful he started to lose himself into fantastical fantasies where he actually believed he were murdering these people. The way I see it is he tried so hard to live this fantasy and become what he imagined that the line blurred between reality and fantasy. Keep in mind that I have no formal education and I am by no means an expert on literature, symbolism, or phsychology. That is simply what I take away from the story.

Anyway, I lost my train of thought. Your reference to the material things and success and how hand in hand they are and that one feeds the other reflects the very same morality and mentality of Batemen. I actually had the same comparison running in my head before she said anything.

^you must have not read the book. he did murder them Ellis talks about it further in lunar park.

and yeah I am offended about the murdering aspect - that is a repulsive comparison. If I was being compared to Victor Ward - then sure it could be an insult in some ways but applicable in others - but Batemen and me have about nothing in common.

Sorry, I was tangenting about the Movie. In the interviews with Ellis he says they were murdered but in the movie version it was all in his head. Either way, you lose the point of the reference when you wrap yourself up in the murder aspect of it. Looking past the murderous habit the similarities are still very abundant. The depth that your materialism goes in this thread and your importance that you place on status, brands, and persona are all very Bateman like.

I 100% agree I am too materialistic, I basically conditioned myself to be materialistic because I was an addict that with a nihilistic worldview. With there being no point at all to existence, I abused substances because it felt - well you could feel something period which was nice at the time. - of course my life spiraled embarrassingly out of control, had to drop out of college and move back in with my parents even to get my head back on straight and to grow up. - humbling to admit. I was depression personified, and with no point at all to life I figured I might as well work to kill time and get nice things? - so I ditched 99% of the druggie idiot friends I used to have and surrounded myself around ppl that I had viewed as successful and tried to become just like them - and in many ways I achieved that... but I achieved it without developing still a real purpose per se... because when viewing the cosmos as a whole or even realizing we are in a parallel universe with really no purpose.. it is all a bit meaningless - even the clothes and wealth.. idk I feel happier WAYY happier being sober and a health nut - but I still in a sense feel as if I am just. killing. time.

..as for substance I will totally admit I have been feeling like I lack... purpose? idk how to structure how I feel about it.. but I am aware I am not exactly developed in the ideal manner in regards to substance...

and that is humbling to admit!

Admitting you have a problem is the first step? Do you think you may have exchanged one addiction for the other?

Retail therapy..it's not just a river in Egypt.

I mean idk if I have a problem with shopping? Its not like I have anydebt.. zero - not even school loans... if that is what you mean..

Then yeah, I guess no problem. You'd know if it were a problem, like if you were bringing home more bags than you can carry and needed to get help to your car a lot of times, if you were on a return things kick which was really actually just an excuse to go back and buy MOAR THINGS, if you had a closet full of things to wear and then also a bunch of stuff with labels still on them and no real place to actually ever wear them. Stuff like that.

DSTMT

So... only men can be stereotyped? I'm confused by this use of "bro" because I call my lady friends "bro" all the time because it sounds stupid and hilarious.

^da faq? The title says "HEY BRO! YOU A METROSEXUAL OR A SPORNOSEXUAL?" This thread is regarding 3 sterotypes of men, the average guy, the guy that cares about his wardrobe and personal appearance, and the guy that cares more about his body and personal appearance. There is now simply an observation that the spornosexual is different from a metrosexual, and there is a significant difference.

Not belittling - but if this is seriously news to people then there is seriously a huge age gap in understanding, a lack of a college education, or you live in a very rural area - not saying any of that is wrong but I'd venture to say that is accurate.

If you are to represent sophistication and higher education...

*looks down at omega watch, and recent contracted painting hanging on wall* ... umm...yeahhh?

LMFAO what does that have to do with anything?? I have a university education and live in a major city and I've never heard these terms because I don't care about this crap and therefore don't seek out information about it. And having a fancy watch doesn't make you smart or sophisticated, LOL it just means you didn't have anything else to spend your money on, or have dumb priorities.

MyChocolateDiet

For clarity's sake, are you and Nutella one in the same? Or is the name change you refer to from ScottieJM to MrTolerable?

Either way ....want!

I like those two members. Anyways also for clarity's sake WHO was the MFP stalker that you tried to get away from? I just wanna know before I send you an FR, LOL. Actually to make things perfectly clear why don't you send me one. That way there's no confusion and I can screenshot to document it in case things get messy in the future. :creepyemoticon:

kinkyslinky16

I would date Zach Galifianakis in a heartbeat!!

lol, I probably would too. I just love the message of that gif. Cracks me up every time.

He is most definitely one of my crushes. He is just too hilarious and every time I laugh at him, I want him THAT much more :laugh:

MyChocolateDiet

"the rise of the ‘spornosexual’ - a social media- and selfie-obsessed male who takes cues on his appearance from sport and porn. "

I am sorry, read this whole thread and for some reason this kept popping out at me.

If a 'spornosexual' takes his cues from porn.............hold on, this is a marketing term, therefore it should have been acknowledged that the straight porn industry mostly deals with average to below average males. The purpose for this is to give the viewer a sense that these men are not better and that even a below average (looks) guy can screw a good looking, woman. I do have the marketing knowledge for this, I do web design, social media marketing, development and SEO (I am not a content writer, so bash my grammar it's fine). One of my clients is a legend in the gay porn industry, when working on his projects, I had to ask " why the gay porn stars were so much better looking than the straight?" . He informed me that the good looking guys could cause the men watching straight porn to feel self conscious and needed to feel they had a chance at these girls. He also told me often good looking men trying to get into porn, get rejected and many gay porn stars are in real life straight. I did more research and spoke with people at the studios and casting directors (had to anyways because of the projects), they all confirmed this. So if these "spornosexual" guys are taking cues from porn, they are aiming for below average and I do not see how any man should step up his game to aspire to this.

*not saying a average guy can not have a beautiful SO, purely as marketing this strategy is used.


Sorry that just seemed odd to me. Also Brah you do have issues. The thread was a good laugh though so thanks.

This sucks and I demand that new porn be made tailored specifically for women with ugly women and hot men in it. For gender equality. The end.

UsedToBeHusky

Can I recommend an NA meeting (since you are recovering from subtance abuse)? Addiction isn't really about the drugs that we do but our attitude towards ourselves and others. If you really don't want to revisit the substance abuse, there is also a group called Celebrate Recovery that covers these principles without singling out a specific vice in one's life.

^ i used to attend those during my first two years of sobriety - I have about 4 years+ under my belt I did AA, NA, and even went to Celebrate Recovery - it's good but they focus on ppl that are still struggling with using... I struggle with saying no to eating a piece of white bread and making my six pack not look as attractive - there isn't a chance in the world I'm ever using again - using was me putting a bandaid on a bigger problem and that is I felt that there is no real purpose for our existence. In the grand scheme of things at the lvl of the cosmos we are insignificant as a hair on a gnats rear -

now your input on not letting my things define me. - that is good I will admit I am totally doing that. I will continue working on enhancing your recommendations - its a slow process tho .

First off, I have 8 1/2 years of sobriety myself. Congrats on 4 years.

I can understand why you would hesitate to go back for another meeting. The reason why I brought it up is because you said that you have experienced that empty, purposeless feeling that a lot of addicts experienced once they have given up their substances. The problem is, that you are falling back on your possessions as a means to fill that emptiness. That indicates to me that you are still struggling with your addiction, even though you have the strength to actively choose not to use.

If you don't want to go back to meetings, then maybe you should look into talking to a psychologist. I have one that I see occassionally whenever I feel like I need it. He helps me sort through the things I'm feeling, pinpoint the causes of them, and find solutions to keep from continuing that disturbing pattern of behavior. Basically, my psychologist helps me figure out how to be the person I want to be.

*edited for typos - one of these days I will actually proof read BEFORE posting

bcoop911

Wait so... is Mr. Tolerable single?

I ain't saying she's a gold digger.... but...

MrTolerable

"the rise of the ‘spornosexual’ - a social media- and selfie-obsessed male who takes cues on his appearance from sport and porn. "

I am sorry, read this whole thread and for some reason this kept popping out at me.

If a 'spornosexual' takes his cues from porn.............hold on, this is a marketing term, therefore it should have been acknowledged that the straight porn industry mostly deals with average to below average males. The purpose for this is to give the viewer a sense that these men are not better and that even a below average (looks) guy can screw a good looking, woman. I do have the marketing knowledge for this, I do web design, social media marketing, development and SEO (I am not a content writer, so bash my grammar it's fine). One of my clients is a legend in the gay porn industry, when working on his projects, I had to ask " why the gay porn stars were so much better looking than the straight?" . He informed me that the good looking guys could cause the men watching straight porn to feel self conscious and needed to feel they had a chance at these girls. He also told me often good looking men trying to get into porn, get rejected and many gay porn stars are in real life straight. I did more research and spoke with people at the studios and casting directors (had to anyways because of the projects), they all confirmed this. So if these "spornosexual" guys are taking cues from porn, they are aiming for below average and I do not see how any man should step up his game to aspire to this.

*not saying a average guy can not have a beautiful SO, purely as marketing this strategy is used.


Sorry that just seemed odd to me. Also Brah you do have issues. The thread was a good laugh though so thanks.

^yeah actually I thought the same thing about the whole taking cues from porn thing was a bit odd as well.

#iavoidpornunlessitsongameofthronesXD

jofjltncb6

^yeah I had said I was changing my name - had to deal with a MFP perv.

*shivers*

Just one?


Lucky.

bcoop911

I would date Zach Galifianakis in a heartbeat!!

Only because he is famous... guaranteed

_KitKat_

This sucks and I demand that new porn be made tailored specifically for women with ugly women and hot men in it. For gender equality. The end.

Agree half way, I hate when the woman is ugly and I am even straight. I prefer nice looking bodies if seeing them naked.

MrTolerable

^yeah I had said I was changing my name - had to deal with a MFP perv.

*shivers*

Just one?


Lucky.

^I get the kik request all the time, but at least it stays on MFP so I can just delete it in the inbox - no she hit me up on other social media and she posted right on my wall like we were best friends requesting crude pics... totally inappropriate, totally humiliating, and I was dating a girl exclusively when it happened so had to deal with her getting trust issues with a guy that already comes off as a lil bit of a playboy. and I spent years getting a sterling reputation back from the past life and idiots like that can undo years of work trying to be better.

so ya lucky it happened only once.

and I wish women would READ my threads - I do not nor will I ever have a kik, or a snapchat or anything else other than tinder FB and MFP.

MrTolerable

Can I recommend an NA meeting (since you are recovering from subtance abuse)? Addiction isn't really about the drugs that we do but our attitude towards ourselves and others. If you really don't want to revisit the substance abuse, there is also a group called Celebrate Recovery that covers these principles without singling out a specific vice in one's life.

^ i used to attend those during my first two years of sobriety - I have about 4 years+ under my belt I did AA, NA, and even went to Celebrate Recovery - it's good but they focus on ppl that are still struggling with using... I struggle with saying no to eating a piece of white bread and making my six pack not look as attractive - there isn't a chance in the world I'm ever using again - using was me putting a bandaid on a bigger problem and that is I felt that there is no real purpose for our existence. In the grand scheme of things at the lvl of the cosmos we are insignificant as a hair on a gnats rear -

now your input on not letting my things define me. - that is good I will admit I am totally doing that. I will continue working on enhancing your recommendations - its a slow process tho .

First off, I have 8 1/2 years of sobriety myself. Congrats on 4 years.

I can understand why you would hesitate to go back for another meeting. The reason why I brought it up is because you said that you have experienced that empty, purposeless feeling that a lot of addicts experienced once they have given up their substances. The problem is, that you are falling back on your possessions as a means to fill that emptiness. That indicates to me that you are still struggling with your addiction, even though you have the strength to actively choose not to use.

If you don't want to go back to meetings, then maybe you should look into talking to a psychologist. I have one that I see occassionally whenever I feel like I need it. He helps me sort through the things I'm feeling, pinpoint the causes of them, and find solutions to keep from continuing that disturbing pattern of behavior. Basically, my psychologist helps me figure out how to be the person I want to be.

*edited for typos - one of these days I will actually proof read BEFORE posting

sigh.. yeah I might just to talk about my insomnia problems as well. I appreciate your recommendation - thanks to obamacare I have to pay for my first $5,000 of ALL medical expenses before my insurance kicks in... I opened a HSA to get the tax break but still.. da faq obama-
#obamascrewedovertheyoungpeople

MrTolerable

So... only men can be stereotyped? I'm confused by this use of "bro" because I call my lady friends "bro" all the time because it sounds stupid and hilarious.

^da faq? The title says "HEY BRO! YOU A METROSEXUAL OR A SPORNOSEXUAL?" This thread is regarding 3 sterotypes of men, the average guy, the guy that cares about his wardrobe and personal appearance, and the guy that cares more about his body and personal appearance. There is now simply an observation that the spornosexual is different from a metrosexual, and there is a significant difference.

Not belittling - but if this is seriously news to people then there is seriously a huge age gap in understanding, a lack of a college education, or you live in a very rural area - not saying any of that is wrong but I'd venture to say that is accurate.

If you are to represent sophistication and higher education...

*looks down at omega watch, and recent contracted painting hanging on wall* ... umm...yeahhh?

LMFAO what does that have to do with anything?? I have a university education and live in a major city and I've never heard these terms because I don't care about this crap and therefore don't seek out information about it. And having a fancy watch doesn't make you smart or sophisticated, LOL it just means you didn't have anything else to spend your money on, or have dumb priorities.

dumb priorities because I took a major major dent in my bank account buying it.

lmao.

it does make me happy to look at it though.

UsedToBeHusky

Can I recommend an NA meeting (since you are recovering from subtance abuse)? Addiction isn't really about the drugs that we do but our attitude towards ourselves and others. If you really don't want to revisit the substance abuse, there is also a group called Celebrate Recovery that covers these principles without singling out a specific vice in one's life.

^ i used to attend those during my first two years of sobriety - I have about 4 years+ under my belt I did AA, NA, and even went to Celebrate Recovery - it's good but they focus on ppl that are still struggling with using... I struggle with saying no to eating a piece of white bread and making my six pack not look as attractive - there isn't a chance in the world I'm ever using again - using was me putting a bandaid on a bigger problem and that is I felt that there is no real purpose for our existence. In the grand scheme of things at the lvl of the cosmos we are insignificant as a hair on a gnats rear -

now your input on not letting my things define me. - that is good I will admit I am totally doing that. I will continue working on enhancing your recommendations - its a slow process tho .

First off, I have 8 1/2 years of sobriety myself. Congrats on 4 years.

I can understand why you would hesitate to go back for another meeting. The reason why I brought it up is because you said that you have experienced that empty, purposeless feeling that a lot of addicts experienced once they have given up their substances. The problem is, that you are falling back on your possessions as a means to fill that emptiness. That indicates to me that you are still struggling with your addiction, even though you have the strength to actively choose not to use.

If you don't want to go back to meetings, then maybe you should look into talking to a psychologist. I have one that I see occassionally whenever I feel like I need it. He helps me sort through the things I'm feeling, pinpoint the causes of them, and find solutions to keep from continuing that disturbing pattern of behavior. Basically, my psychologist helps me figure out how to be the person I want to be.

*edited for typos - one of these days I will actually proof read BEFORE posting

sigh.. yeah I might just to talk about my insomnia problems as well. I appreciate your recommendation - thanks to obamacare I have to pay for my first $5,000 of ALL medical expenses before my insurance kicks in... I opened a HSA to get the tax break but still.. da faq obama-
#obamascrewedovertheyoungpeople

Yeah, I'm totally with you on that one too. Best of luck!