Hunting vs. Endangered Hunting

QueenBishOTUniverse

Ok, I'm actually taking a break in the middle of my workout to come back and write this because it bugs the crap out of me. As a scientist that works in environmental and conservation fields that also involve a large amount of popular activism, can I please make a few basic requests:

Please do not confound the scientific facts with your own personal beliefs, morals or ethics. When this happens it has several detrimental effects. It tends to confuse the general population which may not be familiar enough with the issue at hand to separate out the two factors (I'm looking at organic farming and environmental vs. individual health issues on this one). For those who are more familiar with the general issues it will result in a loss of credibility that can often overshadow the very real concerns being raised by the scientific community. Finally, it will often result in the complete and total dismal of the issue at hand by anyone who happens to hold differing beliefs or morals, in other words, you completely lose an entire segment of the population that might otherwise have supported your cause if you had simply left it in the realm of science and not turned it in to a moral imperative.

/end rant I feel much better now, back to deadlifts.

QueenBishOTUniverse

i really want a buffalo burger wrapped in Bacon. I hunt, and do it respectfully as well as fish. I love the environment but I wouldnt kill anything that is endangered.

If someone doesn't like it its ok thats their opinion io respect it as you should respect mine as we do in a civilized world.

Yes we have a bad deer population. due to lack of predators. like it or not we have to control them. i dont mind the state police shooting Bambi skull off as target practice that they do once a year to feed the homeless and prevent cars from hitting them

I also fish. Are there people against that? I am not asking to be a tird but curious. i release the fish though

Ah fish. Full of iodine and omega 3 fatty acids. Fish consumption that led to an increase in brain function particularly in the memory area.

Ok, one more, fish are great if they're from populations that are responsibly managed, but there are some very serious issues regarding the overfishing of the large predatory fish. And then there's the mercury issue. And on that lovely cliffhanger I really am off. Back after deadlifts.

_John_

Ok, one more, fish are great if they're from populations that are responsibly managed, but there are some very serious issues regarding the overfishing of the large predatory fish. And then there's the mercury issue. And on that lovely cliffhanger I really am off. Back after deadlifts.

yeah, but half of us are male, and most of us aren't eating fish caught out of Minamata bay

str8bowbabe

While y'all are still battling over this...Im gonna go shoot my bow or do some bowfishing! Who's in?

_John_

While y'all are still battling over this...Im gonna go shoot my bow or do some bowfishing! Who's in?

as long as you're not shooting gator gar in a state with no harvest restrictions, I'm in...

str8bowbabe

I DO NOT hunt or fish illegally! I value my life time license too much!

T1DCarnivoreRunner

i really want a buffalo burger wrapped in Bacon. I hunt, and do it respectfully as well as fish. I love the environment but I wouldnt kill anything that is endangered.

If someone doesn't like it its ok thats their opinion io respect it as you should respect mine as we do in a civilized world.

Yes we have a bad deer population. due to lack of predators. like it or not we have to control them. i dont mind the state police shooting Bambi skull off as target practice that they do once a year to feed the homeless and prevent cars from hitting them

I also fish. Are there people against that? I am not asking to be a tird but curious. i release the fish though

Ah fish. Full of iodine and omega 3 fatty acids. Fish consumption that led to an increase in brain function particularly in the memory area.

Ok, one more, fish are great if they're from populations that are responsibly managed, but there are some very serious issues regarding the overfishing of the large predatory fish. And then there's the mercury issue. And on that lovely cliffhanger I really am off. Back after deadlifts.

I agree - they must be managed properly just the same as other wild animals. Here's an example of not managing properly: I live in Iowa, and the Iowa DNR (Dept. of Natural Resources, which is responsible for a number of things, including managing wildlife and hunting / fishing / trapping regulations) just decided to start issuing licenses for paddlefish on 2 rivers that have few paddlefish. A couple of years ago, they changed rules to allow for more bobcat kills because, even though the science showed it would adversely decrease the bobcat population, hunters and trappers were unhappy about not being able to kill more bobcats.

My point is that, whomever is regulating needs to be more interested in managing to proper populations and not making sportsmen happy.

As far as the OP's article and question, I still do not have any respect for a wealthy girl that brings a camera crew to a hunting preserve in Africa and kills animals for fun with hopes of becoming famous.

_John_

I DO NOT hunt or fish illegally! I value my life time license too much!

just noticed your location...shot any of those Asian carp out of the air?

they're all over a private like I fish in western TN.

Gator gar was a sore spot for me though in fishing regulations. In a lot of states that have them they don't/didn't have restrictions. I was happy to see TX adopt bag limits, as those fish take SOOO long to mature (iirc they become sexually mature at 15), and spawning conditions aren't met every season. One of the true river monsters of North America.

ladymiseryali

I love animals, but support hunting for population culling and ONLY if you plan to use the whole animal, and ONLY if done quick and humanely. I don't agree with hunting for sport. I think that's cruel. I also think taking a selfie with the animal you killed is sickening and makes you an arsehole in my book.

roanokejoe49

Hunting is not a sport. In a sport, both teams know they're playing the game. You have a gun and are shooting a defenseless animal. But hey, props to you.

Disgusting.

Do you eat meat? Beef, Pork, chicken?

If not, they good for you for your stand. But if you do, your argument is invalid.

I've heard this analogy before, and it's pretty damn silly. Chickens, cows, and pigs were BRED to be eaten. That is their sole existence, and the only reason they are alive. There are no natural predators for them and natural selection doesn't apply. They are a CREATED food source. Is the treatment of these animals more humane than hunting? The outcome varies as to the skill or douchebaggery of the hunter, I suppose. The point is that nobody goes looking for a chicken to kill it for their meal. It is provided for them by whatever farm process happens to raise it.

salembambi

any kind of hunting is pretty pathetic and disgusting

my dad is a hunter so I grew up with it and have been around it my entire life

zero respect for it

So bears and mountain lions and wolves are disgusting? We're predators too, we're just the most highly intelligent and have developed technological tools for hunting, since we don't have claws and can't run as fast as alot of our prey. Why do you think we developed canine teeth hmm? Hunting isn't disgusting or cruel, it just IS (as in it's a fact of life, get used to it).

What a stupid response

_John_

What a stupid response

Since you have already stated an inflammatory opinion that you admittedly will not budge from, what is the point in continued posting on this thread?

ArchangelMJ

How can anyone in their right mind support poaching of endangered species? it's sickening and horrible. There are some scenarios that are complex and difficult to solve, such as impoverished villages being forced to hunt sea turtles for food - that is understandable though obviously not ideal.

But so much poaching is done for terrible reasons. There is absolutely no value to the harvest of rhino horn, which some people ignorantly believe has medical benefits. Even when a conservationist cuts off horns to the base to deter poaching, a poacher will still kill the animal to carve out those centimeters of remaining horn. It's positively disgusting and so many of the earth's beautiful creatures are suffering because fools want to have "fun"?

digitalbill

Hunting is not a sport. In a sport, both teams know they're playing the game. You have a gun and are shooting a defenseless animal. But hey, props to you.

Disgusting.

Do you eat meat? Beef, Pork, chicken?

If not, they good for you for your stand. But if you do, your argument is invalid.

I've heard this analogy before, and it's pretty damn silly. Chickens, cows, and pigs were BRED to be eaten. That is their sole existence, and the only reason they are alive. There are no natural predators for them and natural selection doesn't apply. They are a CREATED food source. Is the treatment of these animals more humane than hunting? The outcome varies as to the skill or douchebaggery of the hunter, I suppose. The point is that nobody goes looking for a chicken to kill it for their meal. It is provided for them by whatever farm process happens to raise it.

The majority of the anti hunters are anti because they believe that, morally, killing an animal is wrong.
So, what is the difference between killing an animal for food out in the wild or, having an animal killed and then buying it at the grocery store?
Dead is still dead, right?

digitalbill

How can anyone in their right mind support poaching of endangered species? it's sickening and horrible. There are some scenarios that are complex and difficult to solve, such as impoverished villages being forced to hunt sea turtles for food - that is understandable though obviously not ideal.

But so much poaching is done for terrible reasons. There is absolutely no value to the harvest of rhino horn, which some people ignorantly believe has medical benefits. Even when a conservationist cuts off horns to the base to deter poaching, a poacher will still kill the animal to carve out those centimeters of remaining horn. It's positively disgusting and so many of the earth's beautiful creatures are suffering because fools want to have "fun"?

That *kitten* in the picture posted by the OP is a piece of ****. You do not KILL a rhino to conserve it, people are busting their *kitten* doing everything they can to protect as many lives as possible, because rhinos are CRITICALLY endangered and each one counts - she's full of ****ing ****! I want to punch her in the face just seeing those photos.

You do realize that this was a LEGAL hunt and NOT poaching, right?

dbmata

Hello All!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/kendall-takes-wild-facebook-controversy

To get a little more opinions of this subject, I wanted to post it on here rather than my hometown area! The link above is a girl who apparently hunts as well as hunt endangered mammals! At first, I was shocked! How can a little gal like that take on a huge-*kitten* elephant hahaha It is pretty sad though seeing her hunt those types of animals (as well as other people who do the same). I am all for hunting deer or whatever type of "legal" wildlife is around during hunting season, but what is the reward for killing an exotic animal?

I am from a rural/country lifestyle community so I get the pros/cons of hunting, but I wanted a more wide variety of opinions on this subject! I am NOT (repeat NOT) trying to start anything or causing ruffled feathers, I am just curious!


Thanks Everyone!

Generally people will get their panties in a wad about OMG, killing threatened animals! Without giving thought to the economic impact. There are a lot of animal refuges in Africa, that need income in order to continue to act as refuges. They also can support a certain amount of animals, otherwise the entire population has the chance to die slowly due to starvation as resources are quickly exhausted.

Some hunters will pay 10-20-30k or more to go down there, hire guides, cooks, stay in hotels, drivers, and then pay to cull an animal that the biologists and managers of that particular refuge have determined they can remove. In most cases, it's a finely tuned thing for very affluent people to indulge in. The refuge gets to survive economically and ecologically, and rich people get to do "cool stuff".

Surprisingly, it is a win for all animals involved, even the one who dies. They avoided a slow lingering death from a large predator, injury, or starvation.

I find nothing wrong with the people going to reserves and keeping them open. My issue is with the hunters who go to the midwest to hunt the high fence deer for the retard racks, and they leave the meat, only wanting the antlers.

Those are who I got beef with.

dbmata

I think that if Kendall really cares about the service she's providing (and not just the hunt for the sake of it), I think she should help educate people on these types of measures. Put more explanations about why she was licensed to kill the given animal and how it actually helps the local populations of both the animal's species and humans.

Unpossible. You can't defeat belief with logic.

Remember, there are still people who think creationism is real.

SunofaBeach14

Is it legal? As long as it's legal and the funds from those types of hunts are being used for the preservation of the species then I'm not going to get too worked up about it. And by "too" I mean "at all."

SunofaBeach14

Also, the girl who said she would eat bacon even if the pig "asked" her not to... You are an absolutely vile human.

So how much time do you spend in the field actively researching on conservation and ecological sustainability? Or educating the public about responsible animal and environmental management?

Quite a bit since I have a degree in animal science and working my way to veterinary school so I can work with exotic animals making sure they are getting the best treatment and enrichment possible.

Awwwww! Are they tasty animals?

SunofaBeach14

How can anyone in their right mind support poaching of endangered species? it's sickening and horrible. There are some scenarios that are complex and difficult to solve, such as impoverished villages being forced to hunt sea turtles for food - that is understandable though obviously not ideal.

But so much poaching is done for terrible reasons. There is absolutely no value to the harvest of rhino horn, which some people ignorantly believe has medical benefits. Even when a conservationist cuts off horns to the base to deter poaching, a poacher will still kill the animal to carve out those centimeters of remaining horn. It's positively disgusting and so many of the earth's beautiful creatures are suffering because fools want to have "fun"?

That *kitten* in the picture posted by the OP is a piece of ****. You do not KILL a rhino to conserve it, people are busting their *kitten* doing everything they can to protect as many lives as possible, because rhinos are CRITICALLY endangered and each one counts - she's full of ****ing ****! I want to punch her in the face just seeing those photos.

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